So I would like to know if anyone out there besides me has not rooted their phone yet and if not, have you gotten the LOS bug?
I had purchased an E4GT when it came out and ran it stock for about a week. Did not have on LOS. Then decided to root it and within 12 hours I had an LOS. Within another 12 hours I got another one. Nothing in my use had changed and it happened in my house both times so it was not like I was in another situation that I have not been in.
I exhanged the phone for another one and obviously did not root it this time around. It has been over a month now and I have yet to get an LOS. I have traveled in areas where there is no Sprint service, through farmlands, etc. My phone roams fine. I have been on 3G, 4G, wifi, and an airave and there is nothing that will give my phone an LOS.
I also have a friend who owns the phone and I refuse to root his because he also never got an LOS since release day and I would be willing to bet if I rooted it one would show up not long after.
This is not to bring out the haters but I want to hear from people who have never rooted their phone. Not the ones who rooted then re-installed stock. I am sure we will also get some liars in here but I usually can pick out the trolls.
This is for true LOS, not that your internet connection wasn't working or your calls went straight to VM. I have had things like that happen for years already on all of my past phones.
Never rooted, never had LOS. Damn do I miss wifi tether.
You have been Epicly Touched by Jesse Buck
Yes I'm not rooted and I have gotten LOS. Not as of late (for over the last week) but I've had 4 total the 4th one I really can't blame the phone or Sprint since everyone at the time that was/is on sprint was having the issue (20+ people I go to school with)
Outside of that I've not had an issue as of late but yes I've never been rooted and I've had LOS as have other people in this forum as well.
I do not have LOS with Chris41g's kernel.
My brother who is completely stock/never rooted gets LOS from time to time.
Never rooted, and no LoS for me.
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mattykinsx said:
I do not have LOS with Chris41g's kernel.
My brother who is completely stock/never rooted gets LOS from time to time.
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How long have you ran that kernel for?
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How long have you ran that kernel for?
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Couple of weeks. I find the newer versions are better than the old.
I haven't rooted yet and I haven't had a single LOS since I got the phone on release day. That's the only reason why I haven't rooted, I'm afraid that if I do then I will start getting LOS. I wish there was a root method that didn't involve flashing anything, then I would pull the trigger on it. But for now, tethering and adfree are not a compelling enough reason for me to root and deal with the risk of LOS. I see no reason to flash a custom ROM or kernel on this phone seeing as though it is fast as hell and butter smooth the way it is. I would like to delete some crap from it though.
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I haven't rooted yet and I haven't had a single LOS since I got the phone on release day. That's the only reason why I haven't rooted, I'm afraid that if I do then I will start getting LOS. I wish there was a root method that didn't involve flashing anything, then I would pull the trigger on it. But for now, tethering and adfree are not a compelling enough reason for me to root and deal with the risk of LOS. I see no reason to flash a custom ROM or kernel on this phone seeing as though it is fast as hell and butter smooth the way it is. I would like to delete some crap from it though.
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Totolly Agree and feel exaclty the same way. Although, even with the crap on it their really is no negative effect on the phone at all.
I am willing to say that almost everyone that has rooted their phone has seen an LOS where the ones that never did will most likely never see one.
Everyone is *****ing about Samsung that really is more of a rooting issue and not a manufacturing issue. I hope this gets sorted out and whatever Samsung updates will fix the issue with root. I can hold off for now but once an ICS Rom hits, it is going to be much harder!
Had this phone since launch and haven't rooted yet. No LOS at all. Phone goes on roaming and out just fine. First phone I have had stock but this phone is a beast. Will root once the LOS is solved or there is a rom that I can't wait for.
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I got the phone on launch day, LOS (stock) started on day 3. Rooting didnt help. Took it back for a replacement and havent had LOS at all... I rooted/added CWM yesterday, no issues. BUT, I havent flashed a rom yet, and I wont until this "update" is out...
I was stock until 2 weeks ago, and I've had the phone since one week after it came out. On stock, I had LOS 1 time. After I rooted just two weeks ago, I've had it 2 or 3 times.
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Totolly Agree and feel exaclty the same way. Although, even with the crap on it their really is no negative effect on the phone at all.
I am willing to say that almost everyone that has rooted their phone has seen an LOS where the ones that never did will most likely never see one.
Everyone is *****ing about Samsung that really is more of a rooting issue and not a manufacturing issue. I hope this gets sorted out and whatever Samsung updates will fix the issue with root. I can hold off for now but once an ICS Rom hits, it is going to be much harder!
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If it were a rooting issue and not a manufacturing issue, then why is the manufacturer admitting that it's a manufacturing issue and releasing an update to fix the manufacturing issue? If it were a rooting issue, they'd have said "don't root and you won't have the problem".
I didn't root at first for fear of LOS, then I got it twice on the 4th day after release so I rooted anyway. Got it 1-2 times a day for a few weeks. Started running chris41g's lostkernel and now I get it once every two days to once a day tops.
Can't wait for Samsung to fix their stock problem at least they're on it this time and not screwing us like the epic 4g...which just got gingerbread i heard.
Not rooted, have had the phone since the week it launched - experienced LOS ONCE while in my house on the couch where I use the phone a lot. Haven't seen it since. I really, really miss being rooted mainly due to wifi tether and hiding annoying ads but I think the biggest thing right now is the effing camera click sounds.
I really wish there was a simple, straightforward root process that just "unlocked" the phone without really changing anything. Is such a thing even in process? Until then, I'm likely not going to do jack because LOS problems would be a ***** compared to the annoying camera clicks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1269890
17 page thread with all types of users reporting it.
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Totolly Agree and feel exaclty the same way. Although, even with the crap on it their really is no negative effect on the phone at all.
I am willing to say that almost everyone that has rooted their phone has seen an LOS where the ones that never did will most likely never see one.
Everyone is *****ing about Samsung that really is more of a rooting issue and not a manufacturing issue. I hope this gets sorted out and whatever Samsung updates will fix the issue with root. I can hold off for now but once an ICS Rom hits, it is going to be much harder!
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Flashing may trigger LOS, but it is not the root cause (no pun intended). My phone is bone stock and had LOS bug pretty bad. Even happened in a Sprint store while I was showing them.
CS had me do a data profile clear/re-update and all has been good since.
If you think rooting is the cause of LOS you're wrong, plain and simple. Some kernels may cause it to happen more often however. I had it 4 or 5 times when stock. I'm rooted now with chris41g's stock pulled w/cwm5 kernel and haven't had LOS since. I won't be surprised if I get LOS again, but it's definitely not because I rooted my phone. It's a problem right out of the box
Once again, root (su binaries and busy box, typically) DOES NOT CAUSE LOS.
The phones can get LOS bone stock. Mine did.
Custom kernels seem to exacerbate the problem...though new kernels seem to have figured it out. (current kernel is over a week in use with no LOS...as good as stock)
You can have root with a stock kernel.
You can debate LOS occurrence frequency differences between stock and custom kernels but please get your terminology straightened out. All of this is causing the conversation to always turn into a debate into an argument, every time and scaring people who want to root...and them the conversation comes back, the cycle persists and just gets louder every time.
Get your terminology straight...
...root has nothing to do with this. Period.
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You can have root with a stock kernel.
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Thank you - that is what I was wondering. I understand what you're saying about rooting not being the cause of LOS but, as you said yourself, some of the kernels used to root these phones seem to exacerbate the problem. There are a few different camps of thinking here and one of them is the group that almost never or never experienced LOS out of the box. To them, the link between rooting and seemingly more frequent occurrences of LOS is enough to make them hesitate to root. Another group are those that experienced LOS already and maybe have nothing to lose to rooting and seeing what happens. I can tell you that, having experienced only one LOS since launch on a stock GS2, if I were to root today and experience LOS tomorrow I'd just have to link the two.
I'm not very knowledgeable on the rooting process but I have rooted almost every android phone I've ever had: Hero, EVO, Photon. ... I'll have to read up on which of the latest root methods for this phone seem to be the best as far as not experiencing LOS and maybe I'll just give it a whirl and see. If nothing else, it'll add to the body of knowledge and experience for this phone.
I'm a month into ownership and still no LOS. Been rooted on and off for 3 weeks and have run both types of LoStKernel and the Stock Pulled Kernel. I've flashed back to completely stock unrooted twice to have a clean slate to work with. No issues yet.
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I called Sprint today to see what they will do for me since I have LOS. After being on the phone for 1/2 hour. They are shipping me a brand new ET4G. Just wanted to let everyone know so they can try it. I hope my new one will not have LOS.
Also for those how are rooted here is the link to the How to unroot thread if they are sending a new phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1281287
Do all phones get LOS? or just certain phones?
I get it but once a day or twice. Never had more than 5 a day.
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Do all phones get LOS? or just certain phones?
I get it but once a day or twice. Never had more than 5 a day.
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I am on my 3rd phone including the 1 sprint is sending. My first one did not have LOS, but was overheating. From what I am seeing not all phones have LOS.
I have gotten days with no LOS then other days with 10+. It is not fun.
The only thing I get is that my battery is garbage. I dont think it overheats, I do have the Android OS bug that drains my battery.
LOS is not common on my end. Glad I don't get LOS 10+ times, I would be mad.
I had my original one returned form Sprint after the 14 day warranty. I spoke to advanced support and talked circles around him on the problems Im having so they send a new one. Now this new on isnt so much loosing Wifi and 3G like the other one, but it is making me reset it a couple times a day. My original one couldnt keep a signal for more than 5 seconds. IDK if Im gonna return this one or not, I just want a phone that works!!!!
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Do all phones get LOS? or just certain phones?
I get it but once a day or twice. Never had more than 5 a day.
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I got my myself, wife and son this phone on October 1. By the next Monday I had returned my phone due to LOS and on that Tuesday my son returned his. My wife has yet to experience LOS.
My son and I both rooted our phones. I have read posts that people who NEVER have rooted their phone have had this issue.
I have not rooted the phone and am running completely stock everything. I have major LOS issues. It seems they start mainly when the handoff from wifi to 3g/4g when leaving home or work and no longer being on the wifi network. I dont have too many issues if I keep wifi off all the time and just rely on the cell network for data.
I am working with someone in Dan Hessy's office and she has advised me there is nothing sprint can do without me taking this into a service center first.
LOLOL! You guys are all delusional. LOS is completely kernel dependent. It is not a hardware issue. There are way too many variables that could influence reception. It's people like you that raise our TEP costs. Thanks!
akarol said:
LOLOL! You guys are all delusional. LOS is completely kernel dependent. It is not a hardware issue. There are way too many variables that could influence reception. It's people like you that raise our TEP costs. Thanks!
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Then fix the stock KERNEL.
Well lets see here. I paid for a phone and I pay for service. So I expect to be able to use my invesment the way it was intended. Losing my signal 5-10 times a day and having to constently reebot. Not a lot of fun in my book. And maybe unlike some people I can not constently watch my phone to check for LOS. In other words I may have LOS for hours before I even notice it.
I am not one to complain unless it is a legit issue.
akarol said:
LOLOL! You guys are all delusional. LOS is completely kernel dependent. It is not a hardware issue. There are way too many variables that could influence reception. It's people like you that raise our TEP costs. Thanks!
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Sorry but if a pay $500 is bc I need a phone that works, with no this type of problems and I don't care if is hardware or is the kernel, I just need something that works and sprint and samsung are responsible and they need to fix it and we are not supposed to pay for their mistakes.
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Sorry but if a pay $500 is bc I need a phone that works, with no this type of problems and I don't care if is hardware or is the kernel, I just need something that works and sprint and samsung are responsible and they need to fix it and we are not supposed to pay for their mistakes.
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I agree 100%. Thank you.
dmora01 said:
Sorry but if a pay $500 is bc I need a phone that works, with no this type of problems and I don't care if is hardware or is the kernel, I just need something that works and sprint and samsung are responsible and they need to fix it and we are not supposed to pay for their mistakes.
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Uhh he means it is kernel dependent as in custom XDA kernel dependent.
This problem almost never affects the stock kernel.
manekineko said:
Uhh he means it is kernel dependent as in custom XDA kernel dependent.
This problem almost never affects the stock kernel.
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Well considering my first phone was an overheated disaster (no root complete stock). The one I am on now had LOS prior to root. So I rooted to hope for a fix. Also read the LOS forums and a lot of un-rooted users getting LOS.
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Uhh he means it is kernel dependent as in custom XDA kernel dependent.
This problem almost never affects the stock kernel.
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Not true, it affected mine, and I never rooted.
manekineko said:
Uhh he means it is kernel dependent as in custom XDA kernel dependent.
This problem almost never affects the stock kernel.
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If that was true, I would be a happy customer. I am not rooted, completely stock, and I get LOS.
dmora01 said:
Sorry but if a pay $500 is bc I need a phone that works, with no this type of problems and I don't care if is hardware or is the kernel, I just need something that works and sprint and samsung are responsible and they need to fix it and we are not supposed to pay for their mistakes.
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I 100% agree
the LOS is pretty bad on mine, stock or other kernel, its less on stock though
the only saving grace is that I have quick boot on my home page, and this phone reboots the fastest ive ever seen, on any of my smart phones in the past
I just get concerned sometimes, since I have kids that I may miss messages or something
its still a killer phone though,
As much as I hate to say that replacing the phone isn't likely to fix the problem, I do encourage it so Sprint will push Samsung to fix this issue quicker. The more phone replacements, the more sprint spends money on replacing. Also, if it ends up costing more than simply fixing the problem in the first place, they'll be forced to fix it.
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I 100% agree
the LOS is pretty bad on mine, stock or other kernel, its less on stock though
the only saving grace is that I have quick boot on my home page, and this phone reboots the fastest ive ever seen, on any of my smart phones in the past
I just get concerned sometimes, since I have kids that I may miss messages or something
its still a killer phone though,
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Stock is not a phone that was rooted then loaded a stock kernel. Stock is an untouched device that has never been rooted in the first place. Based on my personal experience, true LOS with the zero and line do not happen on an out of the box untouched phone.
My untouched phone had no LOS for 4 days until it was rooted. Next 2 days had an LOS each day. Got a replacement phone last Friday. Kept it stock and haven't seen an LOS yet. That would be 6 days without an LOS.
I am convinced it is only happening on rooted or once rooted phones. If I get an LOS I won't be afraid to report it here but I am pretty confident I won't see it. I have used my phone in the exact locations and same instances so far and still no LOS.
I agree. I'm totally stock and I've had the LOS problem mind that it was 3 times now 3rd time being today as I was walking back into the APT and the call just dropped as I looked at my phone there was ZERO signal when I had full bars just seconds before that. So far it's not been as bad as others are having so I've not really looked into getting the phone replaced yet but it's something that I do keep my eyes on to see if/when I'm getting it and how often it might show up.
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Stock is not a phone that was rooted then loaded a stock kernel. Stock is an untouched device that has never been rooted in the first place. Based on my personal experience, true LOS with the zero and line do not happen on an out of the box untouched phone.
My untouched phone had no LOS for 4 days until it was rooted. Next 2 days had an LOS each day. Got a replacement phone last Friday. Kept it stock and haven't seen an LOS yet. That would be 6 days without an LOS.
I am convinced it is only happening on rooted or once rooted phones. If I get an LOS I won't be afraid to report it here but I am pretty confident I won't see it. I have used my phone in the exact locations and same instances so far and still no LOS.
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I have a totally stock phone it's never been rooted since the day I got it almost 2 weeks ago and I have had LOS on it. I honestly do not think this is a rooted phone issue if that was the case I would never of had it at any point in time and I have. And like I said Stock never once rooted and have not thought about doing it yet.
I rooted my phone for the first time yesterday after having it for two weeks. I never had a LoS issue and was getting 3 days of battery life. About an hour after rooting, I got my first LoS. I charged my phone overnight, and verified everything was okay in the morning (had sync). After 6 hours of being at work, I got a low battery warning and noticed it hit LoS again.
I know people with stock phones have reported LoS, but I'm convinced that it's either significantly worse with a rooted phone.
install starburst v1.6 which includes lost kernel.. lost kernel fixed my LOS issues.. maybe it will do the same for you..
Question: I flashed the stock kernel from Bubby to get rid of the LoS problem. Everything succeeded, but I still have root. How is that possible if I put the stock kernel in?
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Question: I flashed the stock kernel from Bubby to get rid of the LoS problem. Everything succeeded, but I still have root. How is that possible if I put the stock kernel in?
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Did you flash a ROM?
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I haven't got Los on my new ept4g. S
I don't think its root though
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I rooted my phone for the first time yesterday after having it for two weeks. I never had a LoS issue and was getting 3 days of battery life. About an hour after rooting, I got my first LoS. I charged my phone overnight, and verified everything was okay in the morning (had sync). After 6 hours of being at work, I got a low battery warning and noticed it hit LoS again.
I know people with stock phones have reported LoS, but I'm convinced that it's either significantly worse with a rooted phone.
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It has absolutely nothing to do with root.
That is nothing more than a rumor.
Developers have stated, and so has Sprint, that this is a problem with the Samsung firmware with the phone.
If this is true it was just a mere coincidence.
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It has absolutely nothing to do with root.
That is nothing more than a rumor.
Developers have stated, and so has Sprint, that this is a problem with the Samsung firmware with the phone.
If this is true it was just a mere coincidence.
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I believe you, but I also believe it's worse with rooting or something caused during the rooting process. I had the phone for two weeks and never once saw a LoS. I rooted it using CWM + su, and had 4 LoS over the next two days. It just seems like too big of a coincidence.
ripalsanghani, no I didn't flash a ROM
root does NOT cause LOS. It happens on stock firmware also. It does happen more tho after you root (seems like it)
If it doesn't, then it definitely makes the problem EXTREMELY worse.
I've had two EPIC 4G Touchs (replace one before return policy ended because of stuck pixel) both phones I had running for about a week and half before rooting without issue.
Both immediately had LoS after rooting (and frequently.)
Haven't tried the newest kernel that is supposed to be much better though.
I'll probably feel brave enough soon.
For both phones, they immediately were better after putting stock kernel back in place. So YES definitely the previous kernels at least were either causing or exacerbating the issue. I've been able to recreate it.
I hope the new kernel is better.
100% rooting was the cause of my LoS's.
I had the phone for 2 weeks before rooting, not a single time did I have an LoS, and I was on the thing pretty much constantly. I rooted the phone, tried all 3 of the popular roms out there with the zedo kernel, 30 stock, and stock, and within 2 hours of rooting I had an LoS. After a few days, it got worse and worse, I would get LoS's at least 3 or 4 times a day, and I'd wake up every single morning with it having LoS'd over night.
I have since gone back to stock with the image available on XDA about 4 days ago, and I haven't had a single LoS since with no change in usage and all the same apps and settings as I had before. The only change was no root, and stock image.
It's too bad, I really loved my Evo and how responsive it was to rooting, kernels, and roms. I love this phone, I hope they get this part worked out.
Mario
LOS definitely can happen with stock kernel+stock ROM, but it happens in much fewer cases.
"Root" doesn't cause LOS.
However, many methods of "Root" include a "recompiled" kernel from Samsung stock source code.
It is the "recompiled" kernel which can in some cases exacerbate LOS. In cases where people were already seeing LOS, it could get worse. For people who never saw LOS before, they could start seeing it. There is an attempt to minimize the LOS effects in the "recompiled" kernels. It is called lostkernel.
It is unclear whether LOS getting exacerbated is due to Samsung source code being problematic or the build parameters being slightly off from what Samsung originally used.
Also keep in mind on Samsung Recovery and Android use the same kernel. On other platforms, Recovery and Android are separate so the kernels can be updated independently. What this means is if you install a Custom Recovery, your Android will also start using whatever kernel it came with (because there is only one kernel for both). Up until recently (as in a few days ago) every Custom Recovery came with a "recompiled" kernel so you might have been using a "recompiled" kernel from stock sources even if you didn't realize it, especially if you came from another platform expecting Recovery and Android to have separate kernels.
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LOS definitely can happen with stock kernel+stock ROM, but it happens in much fewer cases.
"Root" doesn't cause LOS.
However, many methods of "Root" include a "recompiled" kernel from Samsung stock source code.
It is the "recompiled" kernel which can in some cases exacerbate LOS. In cases where people were already seeing LOS, it could get worse. For people who never saw LOS before, they could start seeing it. There is an attempt to minimize the LOS effects in the "recompiled" kernels. It is called lostkernel.
It is unclear whether LOS getting exacerbated is due to Samsung source code being problematic or the build parameters being slightly off from what Samsung originally used.
Also keep in mind on Samsung Recovery and Android use the same kernel. On other platforms, Recovery and Android are separate so the kernels can be updated independently. What this means is if you install a Custom Recovery, your Android will also start using whatever kernel it came with (because there is only one kernel for both). Up until recently (as in a few days ago) every Custom Recovery came with a "recompiled" kernel so you might have been using a "recompiled" kernel from stock sources even if you didn't realize it, especially if you came from another platform expecting Recovery and Android to have separate kernels.
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Good explanation - that being said, at the root of the issue, no pun intended, after having rooted/kernelled/rom'd my device, I started getting LoS's, before, and after, I haven't had a single one.
Just hope they get it worked out, blame isn't something I am throwing around or pointing at, if it gets fixed, that's all I care about It's a great phone, best phone I've ever used by far.
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Good explanation - that being said, at the root of the issue, no pun intended, after having rooted/kernelled/rom'd my device, I started getting LoS's, before, and after, I haven't had a single one.
Just hope they get it worked out, blame isn't something I am throwing around or pointing at, if it gets fixed, that's all I care about It's a great phone, best phone I've ever used by far.
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It's definitely not the rooting itself, but rather the recompiled kernels that seem to cause the increase in LOS.
There are non-kernel roots in the dev forum that don't have this increase in LOS behavior that people complain about in the custom kernel threads.
Maybe I'm just new to this, but I don't believe I flashed a new kernel. All I did was install CWM, then flash the su program. This is when the LoS started for me.
Which CWM did you install? Every CWM except the repacked one from chris41g that came out 2 days ago includes a "recompiled" kernel.
It was the one referenced in the thread at the top of the development forum summarizing the status of everything.
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Has it been COMPLETELY confirmed by those that only get LOS on custom roms...when you return to stock does everything go back to normal completely? I STILL havnt rooted my phone and installed a custom rom but I think im ready for some custom rom and black and blue themed goodness. Is it becoming more worth it now?
It has been mostly proven that neither kernels nor roms cause los. It is simply the phone itself and the network area you are in. Not all phones are created equal....
+1 cause its time for a custom rom
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I got LOS before I rooted my phone. Stock rom stock kernel no root and had LOS
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It has been mostly proven that neither kernels nor roms cause los. It is simply the phone itself and the network area you are in. Not all phones are created equal....
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Right, this of course is one of those things thats still SLIGHTLY shrouded in I guess whats classifiable as a mystery. Im really just trying to verify that those who DID have problems only when on a custom rom, that those symptoms were remedied by going back to stock. Im really more a less trying to convince myself that even if i wade out into the waters of custom roms and i by chance DO encounter a problem, a stock flash would be the cure all.
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+1 cause its time for a custom rom
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lol
10 char
I got it before...then after rooting and adding a custom rom + kernel. After flashing Chris's LOStKernel 1.0.0.2 and the modem over Starburst 1.7 I went a week without an LOS. Then I flashed to Viperboys ROM, and started getting them again. Went back to my Nandroid backup, and now I am 2 days without LOS again...... So not sure it is strictly the Phone itself.
Starburst ROM with lost kernel = very little LoS
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I got it before...then after rooting and adding a custom rom + kernel. After flashing Chris's LOStKernel 1.0.0.2 and the modem over Starburst 1.7 I went a week without an LOS. Then I flashed to Viperboys ROM, and started getting them again. Went back to my Nandroid backup, and now I am 2 days without LOS again...... So not sure it is strictly the Phone itself.
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BAH, this is what I keep throwing back and fourth in my mind. Lol I havnt had a LOS yet...and im just afraid that after i root and do stuff to the phone....itll be a bug fest :\
I had LOS a few times before rooting (I was only stock for about a week, if I remember correctly). After Rooting and using custom kernels, it got worse. depending on which custom kernel, it could be between 5-20 times in a day. I was very frustrated. I never did go back to completely stock. I tried every kernel that was in these threads. I found 2 that work for me flawlessly. I haven't had a LOS issue since I switched to either of the 2 "Stock Pulled Kernels". I am currently on and have been since flashing the one with CWM. I am still rooted and running the Midnight ROM. I am also rocking the v6 supercharger script with setting 6 and the ACS AIO Mod. I have had the Android OS bug since day one and today I formatted my internal and external sd cards to see if that improves. More than one user claims that it has for them so, my fingers are crossed. I still get decent battery life for how I use it, anyway. If you flash a ROM or kernel, you can always go back to completely stock or partially stock. You really have nothing to worry about. Get a usb jig for a few bucks and it will put you even more at ease. Good luck and happy flashing.
No offense but this is asked daily, a little reading.
Developers have stated that it is a problem with the phones firmware.
It has nothing to do with rooting.
Or Sprint's network.
Or the color of your shoes.
LOSt Kernel is recommended until Samsung gets off their ass.
Doing well here. No LOS ever since purchase on launch day. Rooted a week ago with stock rom and root and no change to kernel. Still no LOS. I work by traveling all over the US and no issues there either.
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I know this has been said before, but I just wanted to get my opinion in! I have flashed almost everything out there on my phone, and read everything on the LOS issue and I'm pretty sure it has very little to do with the rom/kernel. Maybe the rom/kernel could make it worse...but I haven't seen any actual cases of that with the current selection of custom software. It's gotta be the modem software, no? Which I'm pretty sure is totally separate from the rom/kernel.
jedwardmiller said:
Doing well here. No LOS ever since purchase on launch day. Rooted a week ago with stock rom and root and no change to kernel. Still no LOS. I work by traveling all over the US and no issues there either.
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Same here. Got 2 LOSs while testing a kernel. Went back to stock kernel with root and zero issues since launch day
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Everyone has there own opinion on the situation. My opinion is once you root this phone, going back to stock right now is not the same as a stock phone that has not been rooted.
On my first SGS2 I did not see an LOS until the day I rooted. Exchanged for a new phone because of it and I have had my replacement for 2 weeks now and have not seen an LOS on it.
I will not be rooting this one unless I see an LOS pop up to prove to me it happens on un-rooted phones. I know people have made the claim but I have not seen it.
Who knows, maybe on stock, LOS does happen but maybe signal comes back on it's own so that is why I haven't seen it. Anyway, this phone is still amazing running stock. I get great battery life and it is zippy as anything. Now if an ICS working Rom pops up soon, that will be one tough decision on what to do.....
Also, I though after about 2 weeks a a device is out a true stock Odin from either Sprint or Samsung leak out. I do not believe we have seen this yet and correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that truly the only way to return this phone like it was out of the box?
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Also, I though after about 2 weeks a a device is out a true stock Odin from either Sprint or Samsung leak out. I do not believe we have seen this yet and correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that truly the only way to return this phone like it was out of the box?
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If you Odin this and do a factory reset, you will be back to complete stock.
ran mine stock the first couple days with no LOS. tried a couple of Zedomax's roms, and started getting daily LOS. Went to the pulled stock kernel, over 3 weeks now, not a single LOS.
My wife's E4gT is stock.. mine is on Starburst 1.7 which includes the LoSt Kernel. She gets LoS about once a day... I have had 2 since switching to the Lost Kernel over a week ago.
I got LOS within 4 hrs of receiving the phone (stock obviously). Searching the forum reveals that this issue affects all phones, rooted or not. With all the purported solutions, YMMV.
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I actually received a loss of service, which I have never EVER experienced when on stock. I was on ViperROM with that kernel thats supposed to HELP the LOS issue. So no matter what any of you say now in the threads (As there seems to be back and fourth about this) I believe that the rooting...the custom roms...and or the kernels HAVE to have something to do with it. i was stock until about 2 days ago with no LOS and now ive had one. Pretty much confirms for me.
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I actually received a loss of service, which I have never EVER experienced when on stock. I was on ViperROM with that kernel thats supposed to HELP the LOS issue. So no matter what any of you say now in the threads (As there seems to be back and fourth about this) I believe that the rooting...the custom roms...and or the kernels HAVE to have something to do with it. i was stock until about 2 days ago with no LOS and now ive had one. Pretty much confirms for me.
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Dude, why does this topic have to come up daily after developers themselves, and even SPRINT, has said rooting has NOTHING to do with it?
Correlation does not imply causation.
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Dude, why does this topic have to come up daily after developers themselves, and even SPRINT, has said rooting has NOTHING to do with it?
Correlation does not imply causation.
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And companies never lie and are always correct ;]. Its quite possible that the method in which root is obtained on this phone might have some adverse unexpected effects that not even sprint would know about.
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And companies never lie and are always correct ;]. Its quite possible that the method in which root is obtained on this phone might have some adverse unexpected effects that not even sprint would know about.
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You think that Sprint would admit to a problem that is actually the fault of hackers screwing with their phone? Come on man.
I had LOS 3 times the first day I had this phone... it wasn't rooted until day 4.
I trust developers on this site that clearly have stated LOS is not caused by rooting
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...bug-on-some-devices-and-sprint-is-not-amused/
It is more than likely that, because the LOS issue lies in both the modem and kernel, changing either one of those can cause the problem to be exacerbated and that's why you are having this issue now, and not before.
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I actually received a loss of service, which I have never EVER experienced when on stock. I was on ViperROM with that kernel thats supposed to HELP the LOS issue. So no matter what any of you say now in the threads (As there seems to be back and fourth about this) I believe that the rooting...the custom roms...and or the kernels HAVE to have something to do with it. i was stock until about 2 days ago with no LOS and now ive had one. Pretty much confirms for me.
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Agree..........
I believe it mostly has to do with the source the developers used. Stock kernels are fine but the crappy source Sammy gave is not why is the stock kernel on the phone. I believe that is what is causing it.
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You think that Sprint would admit to a problem that is actually the fault of hackers screwing with their phone? Come on man.
I had LOS 3 times the first day I had this phone... it wasn't rooted until day 4.
I trust developers on this site that clearly have stated LOS is not caused by rooting
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It is more than likely that, because the LOS issue lies in both the modem and kernel, changing either one of those can cause the problem to be exacerbated and that's why you are having this issue now, and not before.
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I dont see anywhere that sprint has admited to anything 0_o (surely not that link with a screenshot of some forums post). but anyway, I SAID , root or custom roms or kernels meaning i think it MUST have something to do with being NON stock. there was no reason for you to hone in on root.
Non-Stock -- maybe ... Root doesn't seem to make a difference though. I'm still on stock rom but with root. I have never had LOS. It's the main reason I haven't switched to one of the awesome looking roms that are out there. Above all, I need the phone to work to make calls.
I hope whatever it is, it's fixed in the update!
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I dont see anywhere that sprint has admited to anything 0_o (surely not that link with a screenshot of some forums post). but anyway, I SAID , root or custom roms or kernels meaning i think it MUST have something to do with being NON stock. there was no reason for you to hone in on root.
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Huh?
You don't consider a Sprint Tech employee coming onto the official Sprint forum as an admission of anything?
I'm in love with how ridiculous XDA has become.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/339779
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/342447#342447
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Also to be "non-stock" you have to have been rooted/custom binary... so...yeah...
OP, flash the stock pulled kernel and rejoice. It will be no more a problem than when you were stock. Even if you get LOS occasionally still.... It will be no more than if you hadn't rooted.
I got them before rooting, kernels built from samsungs source are just far more prone. Period.
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Rooting doesn't cause LOS...different kernels...well, I am using pulled stock and haven't had one since launch day
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I actually received a loss of service, which I have never EVER experienced when on stock. I was on ViperROM with that kernel thats supposed to HELP the LOS issue. So no matter what any of you say now in the threads (As there seems to be back and fourth about this) I believe that the rooting...the custom roms...and or the kernels HAVE to have something to do with it. i was stock until about 2 days ago with no LOS and now ive had one. Pretty much confirms for me.
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My E4GT is completely stock (never rooted or flashed) and I had HORRIBLE LoS issues early on. I was dropping signal once every hour or two. I called Sprint CS and they had me clear my data profile and re-update it. Been over a week since clearing/updating my profile and no LoS since.
So based on my experience, it has nothing to do with root or ROM.
You're never going to be able to convince the vocal crowd here on XDA of the obvious fact that being on a non-stock kernel has something to do with getting LOS.
There are hundreds of people with the exact same experience as you, go to custom kernel = LOS, stock kernel = no LOS. This has done nothing to convince these people.
It's made much worse by the fact that XDA is overrun by newbs these days. I've seen people saying they get LOS on stock kernel, and then I ask them what the symptoms are and they just say they get no bars on the signal, which sucks and all but is completely different from the circle with a slash through it custom kernel LOS. Then, the mob here points at the person's post and says, look even stock kernel gets LOS.
I've given up trying to argue with them.
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My E4GT is completely stock (never rooted or flashed) and I had HORRIBLE LoS issues early on. I was dropping signal once every hour or two. I called Sprint CS and they had me clear my data profile and re-update it. Been over a week since clearing/updating my profile and no LoS since.
So based on my experience, it has nothing to do with root or ROM.
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As I have said before this is not just on this phone. The Photon 4G is seeing this issue as well. And the info you just mentioned was passed on to the Motorola Photon forum by me last week and a few Photon owners have done the clear and update and ran two days without reboot/radio lockup. I left the Photon due to this very issue that occurred on my Photon two to ten times a day.
Also I am on the Touch now and rooted using the odex with stock kernel and only one LOS the first day I rooted over 4 days ago. So I am pretty happy that is has not occurred anymore then that.
Ditto here. Stock since day 1 without a single LOS, rooted the other day and got a LOS circle with a line through it, within 5 hours. These are just observations. That's on the LoS kernel, which I love otherwise. Battery life seems to be better.
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You're never going to be able to convince the vocal crowd here on XDA of the obvious fact that being on a non-stock kernel has something to do with getting LOS.
There are hundreds of people with the exact same experience as you, go to custom kernel = LOS, stock kernel = no LOS. This has done nothing to convince these people.
It's made much worse by the fact that XDA is overrun by newbs these days. I've seen people saying they get LOS on stock kernel, and then I ask them what the symptoms are and they just say they get no bars on the signal, which sucks and all but is completely different from the circle with a slash through it custom kernel LOS. Then, the mob here points at the person's post and says, look even stock kernel gets LOS.
I've given up trying to argue with them.
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Um, that was exactly the symptom I got. I even described it right here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18573252&postcount=39
A circle with at line thru it instead of strength bars and my lock screen said "Searching for signal..."
I'm only trying to share my experience in the hopes that someone can find the cause. People are saying they see it when they root/flash, and I'm saying I've see it even tho I've never done either. I don't understand what's with the hostility here.
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You're never going to be able to convince the vocal crowd here on XDA of the obvious fact that being on a non-stock kernel has something to do with getting LOS.
There are hundreds of people with the exact same experience as you, go to custom kernel = LOS, stock kernel = no LOS. This has done nothing to convince these people.
It's made much worse by the fact that XDA is overrun by newbs these days. I've seen people saying they get LOS on stock kernel, and then I ask them what the symptoms are and they just say they get no bars on the signal, which sucks and all but is completely different from the circle with a slash through it custom kernel LOS. Then, the mob here points at the person's post and says, look even stock kernel gets LOS.
I've given up trying to argue with them.
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No, it's more appropriate to say that you're never going to convince people that WANT to believe something that it's wrong...even if developers and Sprint themselves have clearly stated it's not true.
I experienced LOS before rooting.
andygallo experienced it before rooting.
My brother experiences LOS and is unrooted/stock.
9000 others have experienced LOS with a completely stock phone.
Developers have clearly stated it's a problem with the kernel/modem firmware and not caused by rooting or custom binaries.
Sprint has acknowledged that they, and Samsung, are aware of the issue and are working on it and have clearly stated that it has nothing to do with rooting/custom kernel/ROMs.
What more do you people need?
I don't know why it's so important for you guys to keep trying to peddle the debunked idea that it's rooting or something related.
It has nothing to do with rooting or custom ROMs/Kernels.
Yeah I don't really know how people can refute that it seems to have a lot to do with rooting/kernels/etc.
I had the phone for 2 weeks stock, not a single LOS. Rooted it, had one within a half hour, and one every hour on the dot for the 3 days after I rooted trying every conceivable rom selection/kernel choice.
I then went back to stock and haven't had a single LOS since.
I guess all are different, but there seems to be quite the correlation to me with rooting and getting the LOS.
My 2 cents
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Yeah I don't really know how people can refute that it seems to have a lot to do with rooting/kernels/etc.
I had the phone for 2 weeks stock, not a single LOS. Rooted it, had one within a half hour, and one every hour on the dot for the 3 days after I rooted trying every conceivable rom selection/kernel choice.
I then went back to stock and haven't had a single LOS since.
I guess all are different, but there seems to be quite the correlation to me with rooting and getting the LOS.
My 2 cents
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I can refute it because it happened on my completely stock (never rooted or flashed) phone. I believe you when you say that you saw it after you rooted, so I don't understand why you refute my observations (or anyone elses for that matter)?
I'm not saying that rooting/flashing doesn't bring about this issue, I'm just not convinced that it is THE cause. Rooting/flashing might just TRIGGER the issue.
I am starting to think it may be some sort of issue between loading a new ROM (any ROM) and the existing data profile. That would explain why when you revert, the LoS issue goes away, since ROM and profile are now back "sync".
I think anyone rooting/flashing that has LOS should try clearing and updating their data profile and see if it helps, since it helped me with my phone.
Dunno why my stock one would have it tho, maybe it was upgraded from a previous build? This better not be a refurb.
This is just me thinking out loud, so do whatever, I just want to help isolate this issue (even tho my LOS hasn't come back after the profile update).
I've tried everything to induce LOS, I flashed every damn kernel and rom available and still nothing. My daily drive takes me through areas with no service and areas with roaming. The signal alert app I have installed goes freaking crazy beeping when I connect and disconnect from service. And not 1 Los. I call BS blaming it on rooting and kernels exclusively, hell I'd be more willing to believe it's hardware related (I'm sure its not). This phone may have a crap radio in it but it tries like hell to always give me something to work with and I really can't complain.
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I've read these forums since they were put online and I've followed all the issues with the phone even before I got it. I knew about the LOS issues and even with it I got the phone. While I've had LOS a total of 4 times even before I rooted my phone after rooting it I did notice it a bit more.
kinda going to reference this thread that was just brought up.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1360375
Now normally I would not really post a thread but I do have a few ideas after reading a lot of the things on this forum over the last few months. I remember reading that the source that samsung released for the phone was not correct(correct me if I am wrong here) Was something about it not matching the md5 check with what we have on our phones exactly (ie sounds like samsung left things out or maybe they put up an old source code?)
But this got me to thinking after rooting the phone the other day and noticing LOS far more then I ever have (10 times within 4 days and this was running Calk's rom granted all roms do have the issue not trying to single any one rom out by any means)
What if Samsung actually did something within the kernal itself (and they left it out) that either beefed up the radio for cell signal or something along those lines yet they left out "their" code for doing the same thing for rooted phone on purpose? Don't get me wrong I do love this phone rooted or not (which I currently went back to stock without root tonight)
My reason for bringing this up is this. While I was un rooted (regardless of seeing LOS or not which I did) I noticed a few things between stock and root when it comes to phone signal. Even before rooting I've never really had many issues with my phone in my APT never once had LOS yet after rooting I did. I normally put my phone in one spot while I'm on my computer I don't pay attention to it much cause if I'm online I normally am not going to be on my phone yet after rooting the other day and doing what I normally do with my phone a few hours later I went to leave and picked up my phone and noticed I had a LOS and it had been there for awhile.
Now this is normally a spot where I get full 3G bars and NEVER have any issues at all yet after rooting it showed up. After going back to stock tonight I did what I would normally do and no LOS in sight. It honestly makes me wonder while I know a few people are having the LOS issue even with the stock rom (I've had it) it would seam that after rooting it comes it far more often then not which I find very odd why would "root" cause this issue and on top of that why would the 3G signal actually drop from Full bars to 2-3 bars in the same spot. It's almost like Samsung in general did something with the Android Source and the radio together to kind of deter people from rooting.
I dunno just some thoughts I had mind you it is 5am here and I am a little tired so not all of my thoughts are totally there and kinda scatter brained but this just crossed my mind and figured I would bring it up and see what others might think about this.
Seriously, you wasted all that time posting this this when you should have just went to bed?
Next time you have the choice to post something like this or to just go to bed, choose go to bed...
-> eman is very mean this morning. I need to be nice, it's Thanksgiving and all my posts since I have awoken have just been mean!
Going to try and be nice the rest of the day! Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Yes thanks for being an ass and not even actually contributing anything. Great work in that department.
Update your modem to eg31, go back to stock kernel. If you have los go into task manager and clear ram to get rid of los. That's all we can do now to limit los until we get another modem update. Los happens if your rooted or not, some more than others
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Ontop of the los its bad enuff that samsung makes poor radios in general compared to moto and htc.. i believe even if the los is fixed the ooor radio build that samsung is known for will still contribute to problems ... if they had the radio strength of the photon the epic touch would be far superior ...but until then we need a phone to function and act as a phone and sgs2 wont ...
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cidica said:
What if Samsung actually did something within the kernal itself
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Nice thought, but the reality is that there many, many stock phones with LoS. The only reason that there appears to be more issues with rooted phones is that most rooted users are using custom kernels. Go to a stock kernel and watch your LoS drop back to the same level it would be on a non-rooted stock phone. I have the luxury of having a stock phone in the house along with my rooted one and I have been able to verify this in realtime on an ongoing basis. To the point that I can definitely say that my wife's stock E4GT experiences twice as many LoS incidents as my rooted E4GT running the Rogue Stock 1.1 kernel.
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Update your modem to eg31, go back to stock kernel. If you have los go into task manager and clear ram to get rid of los. That's all we can do now to limit los until we get another modem update. Los happens if your rooted or not, some more than others
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I couldn't disagree more! DO NOT update to the EG31 modem and then go to stock kernel. You may be asking for trouble and since there is no going back from EG31, you could be stuck in a bad way as many have reported.
What you want to do is flash a stock kernel with your current setup and give it a few charging cycles/days to settle in and see if that helps. If not try some of the other posted fixes for data and signal. There are many. Some in my signature.
If none of those work and you feel like you have too many LoS experiences and poor data, then you could try flashing EG31 to see if it helps (knowing in advance that it is a one way ticket and you'll be stuck on that modem until someone figures out a way to provide the EG30 modem or some official source is released.) Might also make it difficult to return the phone for any reason as you will never be able to get back to showing the stock EG30 Baseband in the About phone menu (though most techs won't be savvy/care enough to check.) EG31 works great for me, but it does not for many others.
It's been crazy watching people flashing modems for no good reason and then *****ing about the outcome.
Reading first is better than flashing first 100% of the time.
Haven't had one Los on stock kernel, vipers fix works. End. feels good to be unbanned and able to help
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OP, while we do appreciate your efforts in the brainstorming department you could have picked one of the hundreds (literally) of threads discussing this to post in.
A few things:
1.) Rooting does not cause LOS
2.) Stock phones get LOS
3.) Custom Kernels seem to increase LOS occurance
4.) You can be rooted with the stock kernel (and have the same frequency of LOS as pure stock)
5.) Some people are more heavily affected than others
6.) Being in a fringe service area seems to make it worse for some but not others
7.) This has all been discussed ad nauseum
A few other things:
1.) mkasick built a kernel to be as-stock-as-possible. I ran it for almost 2 weeks without a single LOS. I am now running it again. I got less LOS than stock (which was infrequent but did occur), but, I'm going to stick with calling it 'as good as stock' LOS performance.
2.) chris41g has integrated the changes mkasick made into LoSTKernel experimental builds. Others may have as well.
3.) Different phones seem to have varying levels of susceptibility in the same physical area with the same configurations...It appears there may be a hardware component to some units.
4.) Whether Sprint/Samsung's update can address all of these issues (if they are even separate issues at all) remains to be seen.
5.) Don't screw with flashing modems unless you know what you are getting yourself into. (I, personally, am having an awesome time with EG31 modem and mkasick's kernel....others are experiencing nightmare LOS with stock kernel). There is no going back to EG30 modem yet
sage
daneurysm said:
OP, while we do appreciate your efforts in the brainstorming department you could have picked one of the hundreds (literally) of threads discussing this to post in.
A few things:
1.) Rooting does not cause LOS
2.) Stock phones get LOS
3.) Custom Kernels seem to increase LOS occurance
4.) You can be rooted with the stock kernel (and have the same frequency of LOS as pure stock)
5.) Some people are more heavily affected than others
6.) Being in a fringe service area seems to make it worse for some but not others
7.) This has all been discussed ad nauseum
A few other things:
1.) mkasick built a kernel to be as-stock-as-possible. I ran it for almost 2 weeks without a single LOS. I am now running it again. I got less LOS than stock (which was infrequent but did occur), but, I'm going to stick with calling it 'as good as stock' LOS performance.
2.) chris41g has integrated the changes mkasick made into LoSTKernel experimental builds. Others may have as well.
3.) Different phones seem to have varying levels of susceptibility in the same physical area with the same configurations...It appears there may be a hardware component to some units.
4.) Whether Sprint/Samsung's update can address all of these issues (if they are even separate issues at all) remains to be seen.
5.) Don't screw with flashing modems unless you know what you are getting yourself into. (I, personally, am having an awesome time with EG31 modem and mkasick's kernel....others are experiencing nightmare LOS with stock kernel). There is no going back to EG30 modem yet
sage
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Yeah, I got lucky I guess. I am one of those who has better results on EG31 but I wasn't at first. I was quietly regretting my decision until Chris updated the kernel to EG31 w/CWM5. If you aren't having severe LOS then stay put and experiment with different kernels. I was not happy for a few days as I didn't have LOS to begin with, I thought it was the fix and jumped in immediately. Thankfully things have really stabilized and actually improved for me
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JohnCorleone said:
Yeah, I got lucky I guess. I am one of those who has better results on EG31 but I wasn't at first. I was quietly regretting my decision until Chris updated the kernel to EG31 w/CWM5. If you aren't having severe LOS then stay put and experiment with different kernels. I was not happy for a few days as I didn't have LOS to begin with, I thought it was the fix and jumped in immediately. Thankfully things have really stabilized and actually improved for me
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I took a few days to think about it and gauge the responses from others since I actually have almost no LOS problems stock, none on mkasick's kernel and very very very few on LoSTKernel exp. But the vast majority of issues seemed to be from people who were on a custom kernel. The rest that were on stock kernel seemed to match the percentage that is screwed no matter what so I jumped in. I'm glad I did. I haven't ventured off of mkasick's kernel, LoSTKernel exp will be next up. That kernel just flies...
Either way Wifi and 3G performance is better, but, I would not recommend anyone to flash EG31 modem...make risky decisions on your own.
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I took a few days to think about it and gauge the responses from others since I actually have almost no LOS problems stock, none on mkasick's kernel and very very very few on LoSTKernel exp. But the vast majority of issues seemed to be from people who were on a custom kernel. The rest that were on stock kernel seemed to match the percentage that is screwed no matter what so I jumped in. I'm glad I did. I haven't ventured off of mkasick's kernel, LoSTKernel exp will be next up. That kernel just flies...
Either way Wifi and 3G performance is better, but, I would not recommend anyone to flash EG31 modem...make risky decisions on your own.
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Yeah, fortunate for us, it has worked out for the better but if you do it, know that you have to live with your decision until the next update or go to EG12.
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Running lost kernel on my Refurb e4gt and I've only had Los 3 times. My old phone with zedomax would loss almost every other day
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Running lost kernel on my Refurb e4gt and I've only had Los 3 times. My old phone with zedomax would loss almost every other day
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How does the stock kernel fare?
daneurysm said:
OP, while we do appreciate your efforts in the brainstorming department you could have picked one of the hundreds (literally) of threads discussing this to post in.
A few things:
1.) Rooting does not cause LOS
2.) Stock phones get LOS
3.) Custom Kernels seem to increase LOS occurance
4.) You can be rooted with the stock kernel (and have the same frequency of LOS as pure stock)
5.) Some people are more heavily affected than others
6.) Being in a fringe service area seems to make it worse for some but not others
7.) This has all been discussed ad nauseum
A few other things:
1.) mkasick built a kernel to be as-stock-as-possible. I ran it for almost 2 weeks without a single LOS. I am now running it again. I got less LOS than stock (which was infrequent but did occur), but, I'm going to stick with calling it 'as good as stock' LOS performance.
2.) chris41g has integrated the changes mkasick made into LoSTKernel experimental builds. Others may have as well.
3.) Different phones seem to have varying levels of susceptibility in the same physical area with the same configurations...It appears there may be a hardware component to some units.
4.) Whether Sprint/Samsung's update can address all of these issues (if they are even separate issues at all) remains to be seen.
5.) Don't screw with flashing modems unless you know what you are getting yourself into. (I, personally, am having an awesome time with EG31 modem and mkasick's kernel....others are experiencing nightmare LOS with stock kernel). There is no going back to EG30 modem yet
sage
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+1 Pretty much wrote the same thing one post above yours. I think it is very good to repeat this point over and over. I can't believe that people still flash **** without any pause nearly 4 years into Android's public existence. I've spent the entire week helping people who flashed the EG31 modem without even knowing what a modem is or what it does. And then seeing people recommending EG31 left and right as a fix for everything from slow data to gout. Of course not warning anyone of the fact that this is a flash of no return. It's crazy.
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There has been a development today on the LoS issue, someone in the dev thread (sorry, don't remember their name at the moment) found some interesting things in the logcat that occur only when LoS. I plan to work on the script tonight and get another build out. Stay tuned
-viperboy- said:
There has been a development today on the LoS issue, someone in the dev thread (sorry, don't remember their name at the moment) found some interesting things in the logcat that occur only when LoS. I plan to work on the script tonight and get another build out. Stay tuned
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It was trifthen and yes he did find some interesting info. I am very curious to see what happens when you integrate that into LoS Checker.
I also have to say that you continue to impress with your unending spirit of cooperation in everything you do. I remember that same spirit everytime you were around at MIUI.us and was appreciative of it then as I am now. More about advancement, less about ego. We need more devs like you viper.
daneurysm said:
How does the stock kernel fare?
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In the few hours I was running stock kennel I didn't get los lol
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nacron said:
In the few hours I was running stock kennel I didn't get los lol
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That's all I'm sayin', lol.
Spoke too soon, rebooted my phone 4 times in the past 2 days for los
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