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Hi all
Just after an opinion really, also see if anyone else is having a similar problem with there battery??
I've had my desire now since April, and recently been having issues with the battery. When charging it, the Orange LED charge light will turn green at around 94% charge and still climb to 100%. Then when its charged (for a whole night) I unplug it, battery states 100% charge for about a minute, then drops straight to 93%. I've tried it with a few roms now, standard Rom, froyo, now on pays bravesoul release, and they all do the same...
I've tried resetting battery charge status in recovery console too, but made no difference...
Surely the standard battery can't be on its way out already??
*edit*
Info in my Sig is a bit out of date, so ignore what it says lol! Running latest pays bravesoul release as mentioned, not done any tweaks to this Rom yet!
Install JuicePlotter and then monitor the usage
report back
it should show whats using the battery when it takes a huge decrease
AFAIK the charging stops after reaching 100% (probably as safety measure)
and there doesn't seem to be a trickle charge function to keep it at 100%. This is actually a good thing 'cause Li-ion and Li-poly batteries don't like to stay in the highest or lowest regions too long.
So...charging stops at 100% and after that you're running on battery. Try charging it and unplug the charger when 100% is reached (look at the actual %, not the LED. You will notice it'll go down at the same rate it always does and no jump to 93%.
I think it charges to 100%, then allows itself to drop back to 90% (the phone still shows 100% though) and when you unplug the phone from the wall, it will drop back to the "actual charge".
If you plug it back in, it should start to charge back to 100%.
Anyone have any ideas why my phone refuses to charge my battery correctly and the wall charger that came with my two spare batteries does a much better job? If I charge my battery through the phones usb I get maybe 5 hours of use but when I use the charger that came with my 2 cheap spare batteries I'll get 8 to ten no matter which battery I use.
Here is my opinion on the situation.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=777854
basically it is charging your battery correctly. The problem you are likly having are
1) your battery stats is off and you ahvent recalibrated it so the phone is stopping the charge early
2) you leave the phone plugged in for long periods of time because the phone does not use a trickle charge process it does nto stay at 100% and can acctually be anywhere from 90-100% charged even though the light is green
the reason there is no trickle charge is to try to prolong the life of the battery. the battery stats is to try and help the phone gauge when to shut the phone off and when to stop charging so it doesnt completly drain the battery or over charge it. both have benefits and draw backs.
try recalibrating your battery so that the phone has a better understanding of the acctual life (you may charge the battery fully in the wall charger then put it in the phone wipe battery stats in recovery and the let it drains till the phone shuts off. recharge it fully and go on your way.
the no trickle not a lot you can really do about that.
Guess that makes sense. So you think I should get a full charge from my wall charger then wipe battery stats from my recovery then let it drain 100 % then full charge it and it should recalibrate it?
And thank you for the help.
Hey guys, I rooted and installed mikfroyo 4.2 on my evo. I read a bit and thought I had to use recovery to wipe battery data. I did this and since then I have noticed that the battery usage/percent is off.
Ex: 100-90% goes very quickly, then 80% takes much longer.
I just plugged it into my charger at 29% and about 5 mins later its saying 56%.
The battery lasts long enough so I figure the battery is good.
What should I do aside from wiping the battery data? Do I have to calibrate it somehow?
Thanks
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100% - 90% drop off is normal. Should normalize after 80%. There are some battery tricks n tips to charging if you look around. Pretty much consists of charging to full then turning off and charging some more then turn on, turn off and charge some more.
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of posts on this subject. The issue is battery longevity. When the battery reaches 100%, it stops charging (to reduce heat and increase battery life span). It only starts charging again after the battery drops below 90%. So your 100% display is lying to you.
There is a custom kernel that continues to charge the battery at a lower rate once it reaches 100%. You can find it here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=876590
I'm using it with the Evo-NonSense ROM and it's amazing how much better battery life is. I've had the battery meter read 100% for close to an hour after unplugging.
I suppose it's possible I may have to replace the battery sooner due to using this kernel, but that's a price I'm willing to pay.
BR
The 100% > 90% is due to the kernel not allowing a trickle charge. Meaning once your phone hits 100% it switches to battery. It doesn't start charging again till it hits 90% or so. So when you unplug your phone, even if it says 100%, it is actually at 90%.
There are kernels that enable trickle charge but there is a debate going around as to whether or not it damages the phone.
sekigah84 said:
The 100% > 90% is due to the kernel not allowing a trickle charge. Meaning once your phone hits 100% it switches to battery. It doesn't start charging again till it hits 90% or so. So when you unplug your phone, even if it says 100%, it is actually at 90%.
There are kernels that enable trickle charge but there is a debate going around as to whether or not it damages the phone.
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It could be anywhere from 100% - 90% not definately gonna be 90%
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on the IPhone. We now have the Htc Evo.
Crossrocker said:
It could be anywhere from 100% - 90% not definately gonna be 90%
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I've been really confused lately because the meter says 100% when plugged in but the moment I unplug it in the A.M. it cuts over to 92%-96%... this makes sense now.
Hi fellas..
Maybe you've noticed the messages I've sent to Unofficial BravoS thread of Coolexe's (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1200517&page=51) which is the ROM I use.
The issue is, the battery discharges rapidly. Actually, if you check mV values, it doesn't discharge rapidly, but if you look at percentages, there is a huge inconsistency. I used Battery Monitor Widget to log the battery performances last night, and saw these horrible results:
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2011/09/19|04:59:49|-515mA|37%|3581mV|40.2ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:00:51|-465mA|36%|3576mV|40.2ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:01:49|-460mA|36%|3576mV|40.2ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:02:50|-462mA|35%|3517mV|40.2ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:03:49|-477mA|35%|3517mV|40.2ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:04:50|-471mA|34%|3449mV|40.3ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:06:06|-478mA|0%|3415mV|40.5ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:06:08|-478mA|0%|3415mV|40.5ºC|1|0
These are the last lines of the log, before the phone shuts down. As you can see, the phone gone to 0% from 34% in one minute! No low battery warnings or whatsoever..
Funny thing is, this doesn't happen in StarBurst ROM (which is a Froyo based one). Do you reckon this is a GingerBread issue or something? I saw some other people complaining about their phone shutting down at 20% as well.
So, what do you suggest?
when you look at the voltage there isnt that much drain, so its only a displaying problem
wipe battery stats and maybe recalibrate the battery
but first one should fix it
cheers
ps: i just checked, my desire is at 18% with 3.693mV, now you see the differance
crendot said:
when you look at the voltage there isnt that much drain, so its only a displaying problem
wipe battery stats and maybe recalibrate the battery
but first one should fix it
cheers
ps: i just checked, my desire is at 18% with 3.693mV, now you see the differance
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This is what I've done so far:
Drained battery to 0% (log above) and charged it a little bit while powered off (like 20%). Turned on the phone, and obtained those logs (last lines only):
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2011/09/19|14:41:25|-268mA|10%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:42:25|-267mA|10%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:43:25|-270mA|10%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:44:25|-269mA|9%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:45:25|-267mA|9%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:46:25|-268mA|9%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:47:25|-266mA|8%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:48:25|-267mA|8%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:49:25|-269mA|7%|3640mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:50:25|-267mA|7%|3640mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:51:25|-266mA|7%|3640mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:52:25|-267mA|7%|3640mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:53:25|-267mA|6%|3640mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:54:25|-267mA|6%|3640mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:55:25|-267mA|5%|3635mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:56:25|-266mA|5%|3635mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:57:25|-267mA|5%|3635mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:58:25|-268mA|5%|3635mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:59:25|-268mA|4%|3630mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:00:25|-319mA|4%|3630mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:01:25|-268mA|4%|3630mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:02:25|-270mA|3%|3610mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:03:25|-269mA|3%|3610mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:04:25|-270mA|2%|3586mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:05:25|-273mA|2%|3586mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:06:25|-273mA|2%|3586mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:07:25|-273mA|2%|3586mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:08:25|-289mA|1%|3513mV|38.3ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:09:25|-290mA|1%|3513mV|38.3ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:09:51|-290mA|0%|3464mV|38.3ºC|1|0
It seems more "smooth" discharge now. Right now, I'm charging my phone off; going to turn on phone once it reaches "green light" with charger on, and plug it off once phone booted. Maybe then, it can know what's maximum and minimum.
So far, I tried to charge my phone to full and erase batterystats.bin but, as you can see at the first post, it didn't work well.. On the other hand, the phone charged-discharged only once in this ROM, you think it could be better if I've given a "second chance"?
i dont know much about that "battery calibrating" and reseting stuff, you have to search in the forum
only thing i want to say is, dont do that deep drains!
recharge at least 5%! you kill your battery, lithium-ion batterys get serious damage from deep drains
crendot said:
i dont know much about that "battery calibrating" and reseting stuff, you have to search in the forum
only thing i want to say is, dont do that deep drains!
recharge at least 5%! you kill your battery, lithium-ion batterys get serious damage from deep drains
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I know, but when phone thinks it's 30% and not warn me, how can I do it?
In order to calibrate the battery meter - FYI the battery itself cannot be calibrated, as Li-Ion batteries have a very low memory compared to old Ni-Cd etc. batteries - you have to go through the following procedure:
1) charge the battery to 100%;
2) let the battery discharge until the phone shuts itself down;
3) plug the wall charger into the phone, boot the phone up then charge the battery to 100% without interruptions.
If the above procedure does not yield the expected results, you can try fully charging the phone (LED showing green) with it completely turned off (after completely draining it). Again, the charging procedure should not be interrupted.
Source: personal experience - had to do this twice after installing new ROMs, as the phone was shutting down at ~14% (working like a charm now).
Regarding the matter of battery wear because of complete discharges, Li-Ion batteries do indeed have a lower cycle count than old-school batteries, but the standard charge/discharge number a Li-Ion battery can take is ~350, so you can't damage the battery pack by doing a full cycle per month (required to keep the battery meter accurate).
Good luck!
TVTV said:
In order to calibrate the battery meter - FYI the battery itself cannot be calibrated, as Li-Ion batteries have a very low memory compared to old Ni-Cd etc. batteries - you have to go through the following procedure:
1) charge the battery to 100%;
2) let the battery discharge until the phone shuts itself down;
3) plug the wall charger into the phone, boot the phone up then charge the battery to 100% without interruptions.
If the above procedure does not yield the expected results, you can try fully charging the phone (LED showing green) with it completely turned off (after completely draining it). Again, the charging procedure should not be interrupted.
Source: personal experience - had to do this twice after installing new ROMs, as the phone was shutting down at ~14% (working like a charm now).
Regarding the matter of battery wear because of complete discharges, Li-Ion batteries do indeed have a lower cycle count than old-school batteries, but the standard charge/discharge number a Li-Ion battery can take is ~350, so you can't damage the battery pack by doing a full cycle per month (required to keep the battery meter accurate).
Good luck!
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Thanks for your answer...
Today I realized that it my concern was a quick one. Today, I discharged battery to 0 percent, plugged the AC charger while it's OFF and charged it for around 2h22m until Led-green-full; then turned on the phone with charger plugged and plugged it off just after the boot process. After that, I let the phone to discharge (I helped it a little )
I actually saw "Plug your charger" warning this time, and according to Bat. Mon. Widget, it gone down until 13%! If I do compare the mV values with the old ones, I can see that somehow the phone does learn which mV value correspond to which percentage better.
Even though it gone from 13% to 0% in two minutes, it's at least better than 30% to 0%.. Also, when I check the readings after I plugged in, I saw that percentage-voltage matching is slightly higher, showing that the phone now shows lower percentage for the same voltage - which shows that it learns percentage better.
After one or two charge-discharge cycle, I think it'll learn absolute 0
BTW; the battery says 3.4V 1400mAh and my maximum voltage is 4160mV (100%) and minimum is 3415mV (0%). Are these values normal, you think?
PS: What I'd recommend from anyone who loves flashing ROMs as much as I do is: AFTER YOU FLASHED A NEW ROM, CHARGE YOUR BATTERY TO FULL (100%) AND ERASE THE BATTERY STATS. AFTER THIS, NEVER, I SAY, NEVER ERASE YOUR BATTERY STATS FOR LONG TIME IN ORDER FOR YOUR PHONE TO LEARN STATS BETTER! Erase after long time, say 3 months for wear effects to be accounted, but well, I think you should be fine even after you don't do this
Maybe you did already know that, but, well, I learned it hard way
EDIT: Phone shutdown at 13% after this, but I think it'll do better in time..
Can't Calibrate the Widget
I am having a similar issue with my htc aria. Problem is that it gets to about 78% and then won't go any higher. It even shows (in Battery Monitor Widget)
"Discharging" and "AC plugged". I have let it sit plenty long enough to be fully charged and then completely discharged it (until it shut itself down, which was not 0%) and recharged until it reaches 78% again and stops charging. I'm guessing it is so far out of whack that it says I'm at 78% but I am really at 100%.
The widget says to charge to 100% and then drain completely to 0% to calibrate. I can't do either from what I can tell. So what to do?
theGanymedes said:
Today, I discharged battery to 0 percent, plugged the AC charger while it's OFF and charged it for around 2h22m until Led-green-full; then turned on the phone with charger plugged and plugged it off just after the boot process.
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Quick tip - let the phone charge for another hour or so after the light goes green (when charging it while powered off). I've read that the light goes green at about 95%. It takes another hour for the phone to really charge to 100%. That's because Li-Ion batteries use two stages to charge: a fast one and a slow one. More details here.
Glad i could help.
P.S. - It also took me two complete charge/discharge cycles to fully calibrate my battery meter after switching from FroYo to Gingerbread.
@vkyjackie - Try fully charging the phone while powered off. If it still doesn't fully charge (LED green), then you might have an issue with either the battery pack or the wall charger.
Hi, sry for my english=(
When i charge my battery its normally charge to 80% and then becomes 100%.
Try calibrate battery but this doesnt help. Also try another roms and kernels.
Is it a battery issue?
U can buy new battery from DEALEXTREME.com
so its the only way?
Try this.
Charge battery to full. Leave plugged in, Turn off fastboot in power settings and shut phone off. Light will turn orange again and let it charge til green. Boot into recovery and wipe battery stats. After this let the battery drain as low as 10% before recharging to full without unplugging. Do this a few times over a few days. If you don't get more accurate percentages after this then the battery could be messed up.
Gizmoe said:
Try this.
Charge battery to full. Leave plugged in, Turn off fastboot in power settings and shut phone off. Light will turn orange again and let it charge til green. Boot into recovery and wipe battery stats. After this let the battery drain as low as 10% before recharging to full without unplugging. Do this a few times over a few days. If you don't get more accurate percentages after this then the battery could be messed up.
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thx i will try.
i have the exact same issue. i have done battery stat wipe..flashed multiple roms over and over with full wipe and all that. battery charges up to 80% then the LED turns green..and stays that way till it reaches 100%. it jumps from 80% to 100% in just a few minutes.
battery jump
I wouldn't worry Lendlord mine does the same (see attached pic) you can see the green line jumps up from 80 to 100 but doesn't jump down from 100 to 80 under use. The picture is taken from Battery monitor widget, it's a great app which shows mv, ma, % and temp and even keeps a text log of what ma drain there has been allowing you to monitor battery drain while you're using your phone or while it is sleeping.
Here's a great guide aswell of how to ensure best battery life by memnoc:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226016
so thats mean that some battaries have the same issue=( And there is no solution for it...
HTC failed again...
first GPS and now the battery. Bad, very bad!
And one more request.
Can someone post your current widget log?
LendLord said:
so thats mean that some battaries have the same issue=( And there is no solution for it...
HTC failed again...
first GPS and now the battery. Bad, very bad!
And one more request.
Can someone post your current widget log?
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I have the same thing happen to mine, i think its because you've let your DHD die due to low battery levels and that damages the battery which i think causes this problem
..letting the phone shut off because of a completely discharged battery is NOT good for the lifetime of Li-ION batteries.
The battery could be hurt and the amount of mAh the battery is able to store might be lower after.
Also trying to 'pump' the battery to fully charge by connecting / disconnecting while the phone is down is not a good advice because li-ion batteries also don't like overcharging.
To be sure that the battery is fully charged due to its ability it is sufficient to let the phone be conectet to charger or usb overnight.
Android uses the voltage of the battery to estimate (!) the % charge value.
Android supposes the battery is fully charged when it enters the voltage of about 4.2 Volt which is the charging cut-off voltage for li-ion cells.
Now when charging again the conceded voltage is reached more quickly than estimated by android, so the system is 'surprised' of this rapid charge and changes the % value to 100% because the conceded voltage is reached more quicklyy as supposed.
(Try to fill a 0.5ltr beer bottle into a 0.33 glass)
This is the normal of aging for li-ion batteries.
Consider for yourself if it's acceptable for you or if you should by a new battery.
by the way... be careful with cheap china batteries for 10$.
Offers with exaggerated values (up to 1600mAh) will mostly keep their promises
only for the first two or three charges only and will than fall back to 800 mAh or even less !
Greetz
Pudel
Yeah...
My battery started to do the same thing for a week or two. It will charge to 86% then it jumps to 100%, saying it's charged.
This is normal afaik, nothing to worry about.
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actually，it's the problem of your rom , in the framwork.apk . unzip it you will get a lot of battery icon form 1%to 100% in the res file ，if it made mistake，that 'your problem. you can go to uot kitchen to coustom it again.
Nope!
I've solved my problem. I've bought a new (original) htc battery, and the new one works great. I haven't reflashed the rom, or made any new modification. Just added the new battery.
So, yes, it's a faulty battery.
LendLord said:
Hi, sry for my english=(
When i charge my battery its normally charge to 80% and then becomes 100%.
Try calibrate battery but this doesnt help. Also try another roms and kernels.
Is it a battery issue?
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Download Current widget from market and charge ur phone then wait for the 0 ma then download the battery calibration app from market too and calibrate and unplug ur phone, u can aslo reboot to recovery and wipe battery stats hope it helped you