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Nokia 900 still alive!!!!

http://wmpoweruser.com/is-the-nokia-ace-showing-up-at-a-design-museum/ here is a link to the leak of possibly the nokia 900, i believe it will come early 2012 in the US

Thats just an artist render, but yes the US will be getting a device in early 2012. January is supposedly going to be their announcement, and from what I've [heard], its a Lumia 800 type device (awesome) with possibly a larger screen and more features. This could mean a FFC and other things, but we'll just have to wait and see

dtboos said:
Thats just an artist render, but yes the US will be getting a device in early 2012. January is supposedly going to be their announcement, and from what I've [heard], its a Lumia 800 type device (awesome) with possibly a larger screen and more features. This could mean a FFC and other things, but we'll just have to wait and see
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doesn't even have to have a bigger screen to me, just give me a lumia with a FFC and you'll have the first mobile device that I've ever cared to use for a full year. My DVP is being replaced at 11 months some time this week by the lumia 800.

z33dev33l said:
doesn't even have to have a bigger screen to me, just give me a lumia with a FFC and you'll have the first mobile device that I've ever cared to use for a full year. My DVP is being replaced at 11 months some time this week by the lumia 800.
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Nice. I thought about ordering an 800, but I want to wait till they release one to the States, and am hoping it is a little different (ffc would be great, 32GB storage would be perfect). Let us know what you think once you get it.

dtboos said:
Nice. I thought about ordering an 800, but I want to wait till they release one to the States, and am hoping it is a little different (ffc would be great, 32GB storage would be perfect). Let us know what you think once you get it.
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same here i am hoping it comes to att WITHOUT THE CARRIAR LOGO i am crossing my fingers

I wouldn't count on the carrier logo being removed. Its a common trademark that almost all North American carriers seem to do.
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theman60625 said:
I wouldn't count on the carrier logo being removed. Its a common trademark that almost all North American carriers seem to do.
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well then i will try to get an unlocked nokia 900 if it comes out, it makes the phone look ugly with that carrier logo, iphones dont have that moronic carrier logo

lovenokia said:
well then i will try to get an unlocked nokia 900 if it comes out, it makes the phone look ugly with that carrier logo, iphones dont have that moronic carrier logo
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You are right, they have that moronic Apple Logo.
The N9 does not have the back, windows & search keys so it would be better to get the Windows Phone device. So its up to you if thats really that important.

I wouldn't bother with it without a larger screen. 4" is minimum for me.

MartyLK said:
I wouldn't bother with it without a larger screen. 4" is minimum for me.
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Same here, but honestly if they keep the 3.7" screen, but up the storage to 32 and put in a FFC I would still highly consider going down a little on screen size.

I'll have it Thursday. I'm a bit nervous about the tiny screen. Haven't had a screen that small as a daily driver since the g1 (yes I know it was 3.5) fortunately the keyboard is intuitive enough that it's a non-issue.

dtboos said:
You are right, they have that moronic Apple Logo.
The N9 does not have the back, windows & search keys so it would be better to get the Windows Phone device. So its up to you if thats really that important.
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Lol that is a good one i dont want the nokia n9 cause i am too accustomed to windows phone 7

There's no need for concern, there will be a 900 series WP7 device. But give them a break - they just shipped their current flagship, the N9, to stores in October. Surely it deserves to be king of the hill for at least a few months.

DoogieDC said:
There's no need for concern, there will be a 900 series WP7 device. But give them a break - they just shipped their current flagship, the N9, to stores in October. Surely it deserves to be king of the hill for at least a few months.
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but some of us want it NOW i really want to just see the nokia 900 at least

I really hope Nokia puts a front facing camera on this one

Not sure what to buy, Nokia Lumia 900 or Focus S?

Morning peeps,
desperately need a new phone and not sure what to get from the two Lumia 900 or Focus S!!??
Know the specs for both of these phones but struggling to decide. What would you go for and why?
ta

go with Nokia

HTC Titan

Titan's screen is not as good...

Go for the 900.
Nokia care about their users and are implementing fixes for bugs when needed.
And besides I'm sure I read that Samsung are dis-continuing the Focus S anyway... Yeh From WPCentral.
"Oh and before we close out, we're also told that the HTC TITAN and Samsung Focus S are to be put on the End of Life (EOL) list, meaning their future availability will be phased out from current inventory without being replenished. "

lumia 900 without a doubt.
Nokia =
better body design and build quality
better camera
Nokia has numerous applications that are much better than the other OEM's (drive, transport ect)
and most important, Nokia is ALL IN with windows phone. They will make sure people are happy. Updates, firmware fixes, if you buy Nokia you know you will have good support for the life of the phone.

how well would the Lumia screen compete with the focus S?
mates got the Samsung Galaxy S2 and the screens amazing

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rafter_01 said:
how well would the Lumia screen compete with the focus S?
mates got the Samsung Galaxy S2 and the screens amazing
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They are both excellent screens. The nokia CBD on the Lumia 900 is stunning. Works great in bright situations also. I'd say overall they are a wash, so it comes down to the rest of the design, hardware, services & support.

Just go with Nokia. LG are crap when it comes to mobile.

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Get the Nokia...better support and cool exclusive apps.

thinking of buying this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-Lumia-900-Sim-Free-Unlocked-Windows-7-5-Mobile-Phone-White-/190646669588?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item2c636d5114
I'm from the UK on TMobile. what do you think?
will there be any drawbacks? Will this phone work with my tmobile 3G?

I dont understand, why people want to buy Nokia phones. Last good Nokia was N6310i, all next models are piece of sh*t... Expensive, bad buggy SW, creaking structure, bad support... Waste of money...

Petulinek said:
I dont understand, why people want to buy Nokia phones. Last good Nokia was N6310i, all next models are piece of sh*t... Expensive, bad buggy SW, creaking structure, bad support... Waste of money...
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I don't understand, why people start trolling without any reason? It's WP7 forum, open your eyes! What "bad buggy SW"??? Please go back under bridge...

Petulinek said:
I dont understand, why people want to buy Nokia phones. Last good Nokia was N6310i, all next models are piece of sh*t... Expensive, bad buggy SW, creaking structure, bad support... Waste of money...
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You must have just woke from your coma. Allow me: Nokia is now making Windows Phones. They are not running Symbian, or any of the Nokia-Developed OS software.

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thinking of buying this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-Lumia-900-Sim-Free-Unlocked-Windows-7-5-Mobile-Phone-White-/190646669588?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item2c636d5114
I'm from the UK on TMobile. what do you think?
will there be any drawbacks? Will this phone work with my tmobile 3G?
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still need advice on this?

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still need advice on this?
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You dont want contract?
Well, Nokia is the number 1 WP seller within 6 months (less if you count that they are not selling worldwide yet). And there is a reason: All Lumia models are sexy.
Loving my 800. Go for it!

Just don't want to get the lumia 900 from eBay (not available in the UK yet) and it doesn't work on a 3g connection?!!
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My contract is up for renewal end of the year so going to buy the Lumia 900 unlocked now
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Buy this or wait for Apollo?

I am very interested in this phone and the $20 Amazon price tag makes it even more exciting but Apollo is (reportedly) just around the corner.
My question is should I wait and get Apollo or go ahead and grab this? I can't think of a good enough reason to wait ATM but I must admit that is mostly due to the fact that I can't think of any must have features Apollo would have that Mango doesn't or that the 900's Hardware wouldn't be able to handle other than screen resolution and I am certainly not waiting 6 months or better for that.
What say you?

You know what..buy it...if you could afford it...you only live once...I bought mine off-contact. $481 w/tax.
No point waiting since we don't even know for sure when Apollo will be release...But if you want to play the waiting game...why not wait for windows phone 9 or windows phone 10....because new technology will always be out...the longer you wait...the less time you truly get to enjoy it before the next best thing hits market...
I got my Lumia 900 and enjoying it a lot...that means that when Apollo release I'll have like 6 or 7 months of joy with this phone....Of course only do this if you can afford the phone...
For a new and the top of the line Nokia phone for $481 w/tax is cheap. I bought their old Nokia 8800 for more than that...fruit for thought...

johnnybrav0 said:
You know what..buy it...if you could afford it...you only live once...I bought mine off-contact. $481 w/tax.
No point waiting since we don't even know for sure when Apollo will be release...But if you want to play the waiting game...why not wait for windows phone 9 or windows phone 10....because new technology will always be out...the longer you wait...the less time you truly get to enjoy it before the next best thing hits market...
I got my Lumia 900 and enjoying it a lot...that means that when Apollo release I'll have like 6 or 7 months of joy with this phone....Of course only do this if you can afford the phone...
For a new and the top of the line Nokia phone for $481 w/tax is cheap. I bought their old Nokia 8800 for more than that...fruit for thought...
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I appreciate your opinion. Doing some basic estimations if the price holds steady on Amazon for the next month or so I can get it for $20 as compared to a standard high end phone at $200 which is a $180 discount.
Whereas if I were to buy it unsubsidized it runs $450 and a lot of of phones run $550+ unsubsidized. Therefore the $20 does seem to be a better deal.
I don't usually play the waiting game but I was just wondering if anyone knew a groundbreaking reason I should hold off.

jedivulcan said:
I'd wait for Apollo. I think the Lumia 900 is late to the game hardware that's more of a holdover until Microsoft readies Apollo (which hopefully supports larger than 800x480 displays and dual core processors) and Nokia is able to utilize any enhancements Microsoft mandates for newer Apollo devices.
I'm not saying it's a bad product, just not something I'd put down for a two year contract.
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Why do I need/want a dual core processor? All videos I have seen showthe Lumia performing compareably with a single core. I agree on the resolution but I'm not holding on to my focus for another 6 months(or more) for a better resolution.
I somewhat agree on the hardware specwise but the software is performing in a manner that doesn't show it as much. I just think my excitement for the 900 is higher than my excitement would be for an Apollo device. If not than I probably would be willing to drop my unsubsidized money on it.

bmc24 said:
Why do I need/want a dual core processor? All videos I have seen showthe Lumia performing compareably with a single core. I agree on the resolution but I'm not holding on to my focus for another 6 months(or more) for a better resolution.
I somewhat agree on the hardware specwise but the software is performing in a manner that doesn't show it as much. I just think my excitement for the 900 is higher than my excitement would be for an Apollo device. If not than I probably would be willing to drop my unsubsidized money on it.
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Good point. Its really easy to say, look at all the things I could do. Why not say, look at all the thing I do. The difference between the 2 is huge.
Windows Phone has only 80k apps in the marketplace. The others, hundreds of thousands. With the exception of a few notable ones, why is a weather app found in WP Marketplace not as good as one found in Android Marketplace. I guarentee you I will not scroll through 32k weather apps, to find the perfect one for me. I have my starbucks card, my facebook/twitter, my Cloud Music player, a few games I like, minus Angry Birds space. What else would I use all those apps for?
Dual/Quad core. I've not seen an Android phone, in my hands, have the battery life its expected to. Every Android I've had, plus the Razr, has failed at batterr life, for me. I never tried the MAXX. Is it the cores eating the battery? Or is it something else? Gaurentee you, Microsoft won't release the dual/quad core spec until it solves the battery life issue. Until the phone can be used, normally, for normal purposes, by normal people, non modded, a Dual or Quad core windows phone won't release. Terry Myerson is one of the more realistic GM's at Microsoft. If the phone won't last all day on a charge, then its no good. He doesn't ask if it can be fixed. He says show me it working.
Can you imagine, Angry Birds Space, in Quad Core!!!! Level 1, recharge. Level 2, Recharge.
I'm sure I do not understand the science of the Dual/Quad core. I'm sure there is a logic between all of these 'improvements', and why we need them. Someone on this forum talked about his phone in comparisons to his previous one, as a normal person should(?) think about it....
Checklist:
Does it work better than my last one> Check.
End of Checklist.

I plan on buying the white 900 when it comes out later this month. I'm going to buy it outright even though I'm due for an upgrade and save my upgrade for WP8. I'm betting the full price on a WP8 Nokia device will be higher than what the 900 is going for.

CrownSeven said:
I plan on buying the white 900 when it comes out later this month. I'm going to buy it outright even though I'm due for an upgrade and save my upgrade for WP8. I'm betting the full price on a WP8 Nokia device will be higher than what the 900 is going for.
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I plan on doing something similar. I can get it for 20 on amazon with subsidized pricing so that means it is roughly 180 cheaper than a standard subsidized high end phone.
Comparing that to 450 unsubsidized to 550+ unsubsidized shows you save more money that way. Which also makes more sense because I am by convinced I'll be unequivocally upgrading
to Apollo therefore I don't want to commit my financial plns to it.
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Save the money now, get the subsidized price, then decide if new WP8 hardware is worth buying off contract/unlocked. It's pretty simple, pay now or pay later and pay later is always better, especially given lack of info regarding WP8.

$450 is a pretty good price for the phone.
With the ~$400 difference between subsidized and unsubsidized, I guess your question should be "Do I think the difference between subsidized and unsubsidized on the WP8 phone I'll want will be > or < $400?"
I just bought it outright in hopes the difference for the WP8 flagship will be >400

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$450 is a pretty good price for the phone.
With the ~$400 difference between subsidized and unsubsidized, I guess your question should be "Do I think the difference between subsidized and unsubsidized on the WP8 phone I'll want will be > or < $400?"
I just bought it outright in hopes the difference for the WP8 flagship will be >400
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The one major downside to that plan, and the reason I won't most likely do it, is because I am preemtively locking myself into upgrading into Windows 8. Which I am nowhere near convinced that I will want to.
The focus is the first handset I have held on to long enough to reach the upgrade point. I usued to upgrade once a year or more. Stating that I could reasonably see the 900 being in that category as well and if it turns out it's not I'll pay then for unsubsidized.
Most of my research says that there is a better chance that the difference will be less than 180 which is what I am looking at here ( price of 900(20) vs the price of most high end devices (200)) Whereas most devices run roughly no more than 600 or so compared to 450 or better unsubsidized.
And furthermore the likelihood of a killer feature coming out in the next year or less is highly unlikely as far as I am concerned.
Can anyone think of a rumored feature that would be that earth shattering?

kenikh said:
Save the money now, get the subsidized price, then decide if new WP8 hardware is worth buying off contract/unlocked. It's pretty simple, pay now or pay later and pay later is always better, especially given lack of info regarding WP8.
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This is the way I'm leaning. Although I will admit I wish the White I was so looking forward to wasn't gloss. Makes it seem cheaper and more prone to scratches and smudges. But no device has ever been perfect so I suppose this is no different.

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Can anyone think of a rumored feature that would be that earth shattering?
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Earth shattering? No. But WP8 will bring a number of things up to speed like higher resolution displays, multi-core procs, etc.
The most important things will likely be in the software running on the phone. Various accounts suggest that the tight integration of services into WP7 will be on steroids in WP8. Think along the lines of Skype integrated into the dialer, perhaps even APIs that support direct integration of third party VOIP solutions, like Tango or Google Voice.
If you assume that MSFT will get it together and roll out APIs for integrating third party services into core OS functions on the scale of the Mango API release, watch out. You can really let your imagination go crazy.

kenikh said:
Earth shattering? No. But WP8 will bring a number of things up to speed like higher resolution displays, multi-core procs, etc.
The most important things will likely be in the software running on the phone. Various accounts suggest that the tight integration of services into WP7 will be on steroids in WP8. Think along the lines of Skype integrated into the dialer, perhaps even APIs that support direct integration of third party VOIP solutions, like Tango or Google Voice.
If you assume that MSFT will get it together and roll out APIs for integrating third party services into core OS functions on the scale of the Mango API release, watch out. You can really let your imagination go crazy.
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And those sound enticing but not world beaters. I feel like the core argument is similar to the current generation video game consoles; meaning that they have more power than developers know what to do with and as such will take a while to come into their own.
Thank you for your knowledge. The people here are making me feel better and better about my decision.

Either way, there's no wrong decision.
+1 to all kenikh said. Hit the nail on the head, especially the if M$ get their **** together part. That's the key here. They could hit it out of the park, or just end up with an experience that's only a minute step forward as opposed to a monumental one.
WP7 is great despite all it lacks. WP8 should address the areas where WP7 is decidedly hindered.
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ragingclue said:
Either way, there's no wrong decision.
+1 to all kenikh said. Hit the nail on the head, especially the if M$ get their **** together part. That's the key here. They could hit it out of the park, or just end up with an experience that's only a minute step forward as opposed to a monumental one.
WP7 is great despite all it lacks. WP8 should address the areas where WP7 is decidedly hindered.
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Just curious what do you think it lacks? The resolution is the only thing I can think of that matters

All I know is that I went to an att store and played with a 900 today, and I want one bad! I have used android for years now, but wow I love that phone. And the price is great! And there will be 4G in my area next month. Need to dump my sprint contact.
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Just curious what do you think it lacks? The resolution is the only thing I can think of that matters
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Yeah resolution of course and an ecosystem (not their fault) with apps that can access core OS API. App integration into the OS has come a long way, but will mature further. More customization options couldn't hurt them either.
It'd be nice to have some real multitasking.
Other than that, it's all I can think of at the moment. Not a whole lot of stuff but just lime everything else, not only does it have to be done, it needs to be done right.
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I'd edit my last post but the app won't let me scroll to the bottom of it LOL. Lime=like.
And with things like upped resolution will be everything behind it hardware-wise.
One thing I can't get with WP7 is proper integration of outlook when your company is running exchange server 2003, almost a deal breaker for me, but I blame my company as much as I blame M$ for that.
My most important work emails arrive with no preview line or contents. Sucks sometimes.
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Yeah resolution of course and an ecosystem (not their fault) with apps that can access core OS API. App integration into the OS has come a long way, but will mature further. More customization options couldn't hurt them either.
It'd be nice to have some real multitasking.
Other than that, it's all I can think of at the moment. Not a whole lot of stuff but just lime everything else, not only does it have to be done, it needs to be done right.
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I pretty much agree with all of that but not being a Machead, none of those middling features are enough to make me foam at the mouth and wait in line to get a Win8 phone. Want but don't need and not want more than my 600 dollars

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I pretty much agree with all of that but not being a Machead, none of those middling features are enough to make me foam at the mouth and wait in line to get a Win8 phone. Want but don't need and not want more than my 600 dollars
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TBH, the upped resolution (assuming it doesn't sacrifice the smoothness) and proper compatibility with my Exchange server would be enough for me to justify it.
I'm not a Machead either.
But the quality and functionality of apps should improve with WP8.... Curious how well integrated it'll get with Win8.
I can't say right now whether I'll be in line for the first flagship WP8 device. Who knows, there might be another offering at that time that I'd prefer. I'm not affixed to any certain OS family, so my opinion is subject to change as they change and the offerings evolve. I can say, though, I'm glad WP finally got a flagship quality device. I'm addicted to AMOLED but have been F'd in the A enough by Samsung that I wasn't about to buy another one of those.... Then the Lumia 900 came along. Perfect.

Apollo coming to ALL WP devices

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/windows-phone-8-available-all-devices/

slojko said:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/windows-phone-8-available-all-devices/
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Makes you wonder if Microsoft implemented the hardware criteria long ago for a reason. I think they've known what they wanted to do and where they are going to go for a long time already. Can't run latest OS from Apple on first gen iphones, and same for Ice Cream Sandwich for Google. Now is Microsoft bringing tremedous value to the consumer? Absolutely. If this is true then it's great news for those people that adopted early or those that bought used first gen phones.

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Makes you wonder if Microsoft implemented the hardware criteria long ago for a reason. I think they've known what they wanted to do and where they are going to go for a long time already. Can't run latest OS from Apple on first gen iphones, and same for Ice Cream Sandwich for Google. Now is Microsoft bringing tremedous value to the consumer? Absolutely. If this is true then it's great news for those people that adopted early or those that bought used first gen phones.
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uh huh, food for thought. Now if this was android...

The Verge is claiming a source close to Microsoft says that this is wrong. I'm really hoping Microsoft makes some announcement before my return window runs out...
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PaullikesWINMO said:
Makes you wonder if Microsoft implemented the hardware criteria long ago for a reason. I think they've known what they wanted to do and where they are going to go for a long time already. Can't run latest OS from Apple on first gen iphones, and same for Ice Cream Sandwich for Google. Now is Microsoft bringing tremedous value to the consumer? Absolutely. If this is true then it's great news for those people that adopted early or those that bought used first gen phones.
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Here you go...
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/4/17/2956439/windows-phone-8-apollo-no-upgrade

Even if it is true, I'm still going to want to buy a new device to take advantage of the NFC and dual-core capabilities and better screen resolution that only a hardware refresh will bring.

Hamburg said:
Even if it is true, I'm still going to want to buy a new device to take advantage of the NFC and dual-core capabilities and better screen resolution that only a hardware refresh will bring.
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If someone can port the new updates on our device unofficially via an custom rom, then we shouldn't worry abt it.
I dont think I need dual core in my Lumia as its already so effing fast and do everything with ease. Android phones needs dual core and quad core because the way OS executes the thread it need powerful processors. I used Galaxy Note before this phone...I would take Lumia screen over Galaxy Note screen anytime, I know technically Note has better screen specification wise..but Lumia has colors looking so clean and smooth. Still have to use NFC to know its capability.

viny2cool said:
If someone can port the new updates on our device unofficially via an custom rom, then we shouldn't worry abt it.
I dont think I need dual core in my Lumia as its already so effing fast and do everything with ease. Android phones needs dual core and quad core because the way OS executes the thread it need powerful processors. I used Galaxy Note before this phone...I would take Lumia screen over Galaxy Note screen anytime, I know technically Note has better screen specification wise..but Lumia has colors looking so clean and smooth. Still have to use NFC to know its capability.
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I agree, Lumia (and any other Windows Phone for that matter) is fast running WP7.5... who knows what it will be like running WP8, though. I'm sure the OS will still be incredibly efficient compared to other OS's, but apps are going to continue to grow more complex and new features are going to be added which will be more resource-needy. Could you imagine the tax on resources if they release those rumored Kinect Phones?!
Additionally those new Krait chips (Snapdragon S4) add more than just dual-core capabilities. They add better camera support (up to 3 20mp cameras), 7.1 Dolby sound, latest wifi and bluetooth radios, HD displays and recording, better memory and power management (i.e. longer battery life), improved GPUs. The list goes on and on. And yes, the ClearBlack display is beautiful, but why not throw that tech behind an HD screen? WP8 will open the door to so many new things, but not if you're still carrying around your HTC HD2 with DFT hacks

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Even if it is true, I'm still going to want to buy a new device to take advantage of the NFC and dual-core capabilities and better screen resolution that only a hardware refresh will bring.
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exactly. Saving my hardware update for that.

I would be serious displeased if the Lumia 900 didn't get the update or a version of it.
P.S> My Samsung Focus is faster then my Nokia Lumia 900.

viny2cool said:
If someone can port the new updates on our device unofficially via an custom rom, then we shouldn't worry abt it.
I dont think I need dual core in my Lumia as its already so effing fast and do everything with ease. Android phones needs dual core and quad core because the way OS executes the thread it need powerful processors. I used Galaxy Note before this phone...I would take Lumia screen over Galaxy Note screen anytime, I know technically Note has better screen specification wise..but Lumia has colors looking so clean and smooth. Still have to use NFC to know its capability.
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Not everyone roots their phone. we shouldnt have to wait for a port with broken features. Google should be more on top of things, like Microsoft is. Everything should work out of box, and we all know android doesnt work like that. If i didnt find out about rooting and what not i probably wouldnt be using my android device right now lol

kirdroid said:
Here you go...
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/4/17/2956439/windows-phone-8-apollo-no-upgrade
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who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.

slojko said:
who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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Worse case scenario is a modified version of WP8.. maybe missing some features, but the main functionality updates will come. For example, they are saying that WP8 will bring SD card support, well.. that doesn't matter for the 900 since it doesn't even have a slot for it..
But there is no way there won't be another major update, if they do that, they will loose a lot of customers.

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who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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I can agree with you, if I thought they put all their chips on the 900. Microsoft has had a plan in place for Windows Phone since the begining, post re-design. It wasn't Seven, it wasn't NoDo, it wasn't Mango. It was Apollo...Windows Phone 8. With WP8, Microsoft intends to be on the same playing field as Android and IOS. Right now, they have showed bursts...but not the entire package.
I 'think' that updating previous devices 'may' be their plate, at some time. But, the majority, like 99.9% of their focus is on that playing field.
First leaked info on the next Nokia with WP8 indicate a stellar blockbuster device. See Verizon's comments about Windows Phone yesterday. Sprint too. The number of OEMs announcing WP8 devices is like 4 times the amount of Seven or Mango. Lumia 900 opened some eyes, but I personally think that Verizon and Sprint, to name 2, and ASUS and Toshiba and a host of other OEMs opted to move to WP8 instead of interim developement on Mango.
For me, I have an upgrade available right now. Unless some catestrophic event occurs, like the Mayans were right, thats earmarked for my WP8 device.

Here you guys go: http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/19/microsoft-official-admits-he-misspoke-regarding-windows-phone-8/
dont give your hopes up
also, this wouldnt dumb for them to say anyways. the DVP is not supported by Dell anymore the last time i checked so it definitely would not get the update? same for the HD7/s, htc surround. they are all discontinued im pretty sure, and discontinued phones dont get updates lol

stratax said:
Here you guys go: http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/19/microsoft-official-admits-he-misspoke-regarding-windows-phone-8/
dont give your hopes up
also, this wouldnt dumb for them to say anyways. the DVP is not supported by Dell anymore the last time i checked so it definitely would not get the update? same for the HD7/s, htc surround. they are all discontinued im pretty sure, and discontinued phones dont get updates lol
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We've seen all the companies do it....Motorola/ Verizon with Bionic, Razr, MaXX, HD in rapid succession. They didn't offer easy hard ware upgrades, and the software apparently was not compatable enough to release to all...
There are times when an upgrade just won't work based on hardware. We all know that..whether we will admit it or not. The very first Gen 1 devices...probably can't play. Gen 2, maybe some. The lumia 800/900, better chance. But, will anyone ( meaning Microsoft/Nokia/ others) want to go there.
After a huge revolt, the Razr Maxx out sold the Rzr and the Bionic. People will buy....period.

alodar1 said:
We've seen all the companies do it....Motorola/ Verizon with Bionic, Razr, MaXX, HD in rapid succession. They didn't offer easy hard ware upgrades, and the software apparently was not compatable enough to release to all...
There are times when an upgrade just won't work based on hardware. We all know that..whether we will admit it or not. The very first Gen 1 devices...probably can't play. Gen 2, maybe some. The lumia 800/900, better chance. But, will anyone ( meaning Microsoft/Nokia/ others) want to go there.
After a huge revolt, the Razr Maxx out sold the Rzr and the Bionic. People will buy....period.
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Yeah lol, i couldnt see the 1st gen getting the update especially since you cant even buy them anymore from retail stores anymore really. unless they have stock for some weird reason. the only phones i could see getting the update is the titan/2 and lumia 800/900 if even that

Stoked
Sounds like Microsoft has learned from the mistakes of the bigger OS'. Im glad I made the switch and i dont think Ill be going back.

Seed 2.0 said:
I would be serious displeased if the Lumia 900 didn't get the update or a version of it.
P.S> My Samsung Focus is faster then my Nokia Lumia 900.
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Not saying you're lying or anything, but my Lumia 900 is WAY faster then my Focus. I actually was upset how slow my Focus acted once I had Exchange configured (and sync'ing my retarded number of calendar, contacts, e-mails), along with setting up integration with Facebook, Twitter, etc...
On my Lumia, no slowness whatsoever, menu loading, people loading, messages, and texts, are all real time.

slojko said:
who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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MSFT doesn't care. Most people are on a two year device upgrade cycle here in the US. Windows 8 phones will not be around in quantity for 6-8 months after the launch of the Lumia 900. So get a free Lumia 900 now or wait half a year+ and pay Lord knows what for a WP 8. I'm going to be 6-8 months into my contract before Windows 8 hits in quantity. And I have no idea when they will be selling at the very reasonable price the Lumia 900 is selling for now.
The average consumer (ie my mom and dad) is not going to care 8 months from now whether their free Lumia 900 can be upgraded to WP 8.
This forum is a tiny subset of the cell phone market. Apple has proven that you can have a multibillion dollar hit by completely ignoring the majority of the things people on this forum find important. I would much rather MSFT ruffle a few feathers in a niche group now and have outstanding software rather than make an "all things to all people" bloatware mess.

How is everybody doing? Are we abandoning our current gen Windows Phone?

I haven't posted anything for awhile but i am still stay up-to-date with currents news for Windows Phone community. I was just thinking today about the future of our dear friend for-a-while (2nd Gen Windows Phone aka Mango devices).
I just recently made up my mind that i am gonna sell my HTC Titan ( a sweet device, used to make storms over XDA until somebody finally unbox the damn thing). But that also lead to the question: "Will you guys gonna keep the current Windows Phone gen device and then move on to WP8 later or gonna get WP8 and then keep both device? "
Because i am seeing a lot of people putting their device up for sale on Ebay and Amazon right now right before the launch of Windows Phone 8, and i am wondering if you guys are doing the same.
Regarding Windows Phone 8, i have heard from some sources teasing that HTC is doing work on a device probably with the name "Titan 3" after success with Titan (Eternity) and Titan II (Radiant) , the first wave of WP8 doesn't impress me that much even HTC Rio and Accord (8S and 8X) , Nokia just pretty much reuse the design of the Lumia 900 for the new waves of phone, make it less interesting. ( It is nothing like what we saw with the 1st Wave of Windows Phone 7 back in the day, damn the HTC HD7/Schubert back then was HOT.

I have a titan an am planning on going to the 8S as I have 12 months left of my contract and cant afford a bigger upgrade. I'm only going to jump ship however if there is a way to side load my homebrew apps without having to pay for a dev account.

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I have a titan an am planning on going to the 8S as I have 12 months left of my contract and cant afford a bigger upgrade. I'm only going to jump ship however if there is a way to side load my homebrew apps without having to pay for a dev account.
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So basically are you renewing your plan right now or you gonna wait another 12 months and then get an 8S?
Because 1 years is a long time, lol, who know what will happen... I hold the Schubert for One year before i switched to Titan. I am thinking about holding 7.8 device for another year before getting 8, want to see what we can get from 2nd Wave of WP8... :laugh:
Because i am kind of bias over HTC when buying phones, and to be honest, the Rio and Accord doesn't get much of my attention ... ( even tho, i am their trainee anyway, lol)
Nokia... eh... No offense but maybe i don't like them that much like i did before... Beside, HTC always has history of easiness in hacking Bootloader and stuffs (HSPL...) , so ... yeah

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I haven't posted anything for awhile but i am still stay up-to-date with currents news for Windows Phone community. I was just thinking today about the future of our dear friend for-a-while (2nd Gen Windows Phone aka Mango devices).
I just recently made up my mind that i am gonna sell my HTC Titan ( a sweet device, used to make storms over XDA until somebody finally unbox the damn thing). But that also lead to the question: "Will you guys gonna keep the current Windows Phone gen device and then move on to WP8 later or gonna get WP8 and then keep both device? "
Because i am seeing a lot of people putting their device up for sale on Ebay and Amazon right now right before the launch of Windows Phone 8, and i am wondering if you guys are doing the same.
Regarding Windows Phone 8, i have heard from some sources teasing that HTC is doing work on a device probably with the name "Titan 3" after success with Titan (Eternity) and Titan II (Radiant) , the first wave of WP8 doesn't impress me that much even HTC Rio and Accord (8S and 8X) , Nokia just pretty much reuse the design of the Lumia 900 for the new waves of phone, make it less interesting. ( It is nothing like what we saw with the 1st Wave of Windows Phone 7 back in the day, damn the HTC HD7/Schubert back then was HOT.
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I am not gonna buy WP8, reasons
Never going to get custom roms!
Looks uglier than wp7.8 (details)
Love my Titan better than any (announced plastic) WP8 phone.

sianto1997 said:
I am not gonna buy WP8, reasons
Never going to get custom roms!
Looks uglier than wp7.8 (details)
Love my Titan better than any (announced plastic) WP8 phone.
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Well, that is what i am thinking right now, The 1st Wave of WP8 doesn't have the unique design like what we had with HD7 at 1st Wave and Titan at 2nd Wave of WP7 devices.
About Custom ROM, i have heard about the secured boot, but hope is not vanished yet until i heard that officially from DFT or Cotulla himself . Maybe this time, DFT team will have to go BIG, lol.

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So basically are you renewing your plan right now or you gonna wait another 12 months and then get an 8S?
Because 1 years is a long time, lol, who know what will happen... I hold the Schubert for One year before i switched to Titan. I am thinking about holding 7.8 device for another year before getting 8, want to see what we can get from 2nd Wave of WP8... :laugh:
Because i am kind of bias over HTC when buying phones, and to be honest, the Rio and Accord doesn't get much of my attention ... ( even tho, i am their trainee anyway, lol)
Nokia... eh... No offense but maybe i don't like them that much like i did before... Beside, HTC always has history of easiness in hacking Bootloader and stuffs (HSPL...) , so ... yeah
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No im selling titan, hoping £140 ~ and buying a 8S off contract, for £224 ~ and will keep my current contract for the next year as im bound to it for that long and I cant afford to buy a 920 or 8X out right but the £80 difference between titan and 8S is doable. And this will also allow me to get a 2nd gen one next october when up for renewal.

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I am not gonna buy WP8, reasons
Never going to get custom roms!
Looks uglier than wp7.8 (details)
Love my Titan better than any (announced plastic) WP8 phone.
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How does it look ANY different than 7.8? I thought only stuff they mutually shared between WP8 and WP7.8 was how they look. Don't see how WP8 is uglier than WP7.8!
We don't know yet about custom ROMs! Plus metal and ceramic aren't exactly plastic
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No im selling titan, hoping £140 ~ and buying a 8S off contract, for £224 ~ and will keep my current contract for the next year as im bound to it for that long and I cant afford to buy a 920 or 8X out right but the £80 difference between titan and 8S is doable. And this will also allow me to get a 2nd gen one next october when up for renewal.
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Where are you getting 8S for £224 from?
I might get one instead of my Titan to start with and then some!

I still have 4-5 months to make up my mind, then my contract will be over and I'll be in for an upgrade. I really NEED to see the 920 in action and notice if the little things that bug me have been improved (half assed multitasking, weak notifications). If that's the case I'll get a 920, it's a behemoth but I'll get used to it somehow. Otherwise I'll go to the dark side and pick an i5. Really like the size/weight/build of the thing, plus with jailbreak I'll basically get most of the functionality of Android without all of the root/mod/hack bs that I'm sick of.
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Nope, my Trophy does everything I need it to do via custom ROM. Maybe when custom ROMs become avilabe for WP8, I'll switch over.

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Nope, my Trophy does everything I need it to do via custom ROM. Maybe when custom ROMs become avilabe for WP8, I'll switch over.
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Me too. I'll only shift when wp8 will have custom roms and a good flagship device.

My Focus s is the dogs bollocks, would be even better if I could dump the ROM but that a side story, what am I going to do? well, my Focus S does everything I want it to right now, I am in no hurry what so ever to jump to WP8.
I will wait for WP8 to mature a bit, and more importantly wait until its possible to side load stuff, im not fussed about custom ROMs,. I just want it to work, and allow me to install what I want and not what someone tells me I can. IF / When that day comes then ill do my research and sell my focus S, if that day doesn't come and the OS remains locked down tighter than a ducks arse then im more than happy with what my Focus S does for the time being.

So look like a lot of people have the same line thinking like me, Windows Phone 8 is great but i would rather wait for it to perform and then reviewed by other expert before i make a move also.
There are a lot of thing that i want to buy so i have no choice except being smart, lol.
I mean, custom ROM is not a total big deal to me after all, back in the day when i still have my HD7, i still choose the way to use Official ROM instead of getting custom one. But i just don't like the way they lock the device with the OS so strict that Advanced Users can't tweaks the device in the way they want. I mean Registry Editor, Flies Explorer and all the kind of stuffs. Windows Mobile 6.5 was saved (almost all by this XDA Community) because of that.
MS this year drive away to regular based users market rather than advanced users... (Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8)...

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MS this year drive away to regular based users market rather than advanced users... (Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8)...
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That's because (as iOS and Android has proven extremely well) theres more money to be made when targeting nupties, power users are a limited few in a sea of average users who couldn't tell the difference between the different OSs in the first place.
I have a horrible feeling that WP8 is going to be even harder to crack open so im not going to hold my breath, bare in mind that technically WP7 hasn't been cracked open either, im sure WP8 will make it even harder still

Definitely going to jump to Windows Phone 8 as soon as I can, but probably gonna keep my Titan and Lumia 800.

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How does it look ANY different than 7.8? I thought only stuff they mutually shared between WP8 and WP7.8 was how they look. Don't see how WP8 is uglier than WP7.8!
We don't know yet about custom ROMs! Plus metal and ceramic aren't exactly plastic
Where are you getting 8S for £224 from?
I might get one instead of my Titan to start with and then some!
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http://www.unlocked-mobiles.com/sim-free-mobile-phones/htc-8s-windows-phone-sim-free-p-84273.html
or http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/7835/htc-8s-windows-8--sim-free-unlocked--red-
or http://www.clove.co.uk/htc-8s

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How does it look ANY different than 7.8? I thought only stuff they mutually shared between WP8 and WP7.8 was how they look. Don't see how WP8 is uglier than WP7.8!
We don't know yet about custom ROMs! Plus metal and ceramic aren't exactly plastic
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Well, first of all the accent is more intergrated! (It annoys me big time) Ceramic? Which phone?

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Well, first of all the accent is more intergrated! (It annoys me big time) Ceramic? Which phone?
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But isn't those accent colours just based on leaks so far? (Early July leak?)
If they are to be present in WP7.8 there is a huge chance they will be implemented identically as WP8, no?
Lumia 920 has polycarbonate unibody with ceramic buttons or so did I read!

Well, the design of Lumia is not bad at all, but i don't really like how they just make it a little bit bigger and reuse the design pretty much.
I just saw another Lumia 8xx something for T-Mobile US and that thing look a little bit more interesting than Lumia 920.
And BTW i am not looking forward to pay like $800 for an unlocked version of that anyway.
They also predict the 8X to be around $500-$600 for unlocked version

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Well, the design of Lumia is not bad at all, but i don't really like how they just make it a little bit bigger and reuse the design pretty much.
I just saw another Lumia 8xx something for T-Mobile US and that thing look a little bit more interesting than Lumia 920.
And BTW i am not looking forward to pay like $800 for an unlocked version of that anyway.
They also predict the 8X to be around $500-$600 for unlocked version
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I think they made it bigger basically because of the camera features they wanted to implement, it shouldn't be hard to make it thinner without it, at least 820 thin. Honestly I take like no more than 3 pictures every year with my phone so I couldn't care less...maybe a sharper profile, somewhat like the new nano (but bigger, heh) would have been better for me. If Microsoft ever releases something more squarish and thin with a full metal body, like a crossover between an iPhone and a Surface I'm 100% sold.
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vnvman said:
I think they made it bigger basically because of the camera features they wanted to implement, it shouldn't be hard to make it thinner without it, at least 820 thin. Honestly I take like no more than 3 pictures every year with my phone so I couldn't care less...maybe a sharper profile, somewhat like the new nano (but bigger, heh) would have been better for me. If Microsoft ever releases something more squarish and thin with a full metal body, like a crossover between an iPhone and a Surface I'm 100% sold.
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Yeah, I've been fancying my chances of owning a squarish device. Not exactly like an Experia but something as classy as surface design. I would love to own vaporised magnesium squarish handset running WP9!