So guys,what do you all think about android ice cream sandwich....
I have nothing more to say,just wanna say that I'm jumping ship to android on this november...anyway,microsoft and nokia are late again...
Windows phone 7,best feature (integration)has been stole by android...so,now on android,contacts on android can be integrated with any apps...any accounts...
so are you tired of this waiting game?are you jumping ship?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/18/android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-now-official/
Hands on pictures and video
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/google-ice-cream-sandwich-android-4-0-a-hands-on-screenshot-g/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/18/samsung-galaxy-nexus-hands-on/
Facial unlock
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/ice-cream-sandwich-face-unlock-demo-video/
Android beam hands on
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/android-beam-takes-us-to-the-future-of-close-proximity-data-exch/
GSMarena android 4.0
http://www.gsmarena.com/android_ice...php?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Techcrunch android 4.0 review (14mins hands on video)
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/19/in...axy-nexus-and-ice-cream-sandwich-android-4-0/
Mango review
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-review/
I don't think that much of it actually. Apple and Google have done so little with their major OS releases that I feel like they've given Microsoft a year to catch up.
Android is a very capable OS, but I don't think its visually appealing and apparently lags even on the Galaxy Nexus.
I don't think there was a single thing to be excited about. Overall, just incremental improvements.
Android is still Android.
Slow, ugly, a festival of force closes, and it just doesn't integrate with the Microsoft ecosystem very well at all. Putting a new coat of paint on Android is exactly what phone manufacturers do day in and day out. With HTC, you already have the integration with Facebook and Twitter, but Windows Phone 7 still does it in a much more appealing and better integrated way.
I carry two phones around, and my Windows Phone will still be my main for the foreseeable future.
PG2G said:
I don't think that much of it actually. Apple and Google have done so little with their major OS releases that I feel like they've given Microsoft a year to catch up.
Android is a very capable OS, but I don't think its visually appealing and apparently lags even on the Galaxy Nexus.
I don't think there was a single thing to be excited about. Overall, just incremental improvements.
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Ok,so you think that all the features added on android 4.0 is just incremental upgrade?
Good on you...
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Ok,so you think that all the features added on android 4.0 is just incremental upgrade?
Good on you...
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Would love to hear what about it excites you.
Actually the contacts app has been like that. They just redesigned it. Looks totally like the people hub, only better.
I do give them credit for allowing developers to integrate into the people app. That's one area Microsoft definitely needs to improve
Here's a neater roundup of ICS new features with pictures:
http://pocketnow.com/android/googles-ice-cream-sandwich-event-starts-soon
Yep it has a "People" hub, which is basically the same as WP7. However, *any* 3rd party app can integrate with it, so google+ and skype for example will be able to add their contact info and feeds there, which is nice. More integrated OS than Windows Phone.
Also metro look and feel to the stock OS, which is a bit of a rip-off but looks pretty smart! I really like it, very tempting!
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Android is still Android. Slow, ugly, a festival of force closes, and it just doesn't integrate with the Microsoft ecosystem very well at all. Putting a new coat of paint on Android is exactly what phone manufacturers do day in and day out.
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This is a pretty fanboy-ish answer. ICS is a pretty major new version, we have no idea how fast it runs or whether it's still buggy until reviews start coming in.
Also regarding the "Microsoft ecosystem", Android has an official Bing app that does Bing search, maps, image search and local search. There is also an official Hotmail app, plus Android supports Exchange and Microsoft business networks better than WP7. So how exactly does it not integrate well?!
What? Vetvito saying something on Android is better than Windows Phone? I'm stunned. No... shocked.
Anyway... let's give hats off to Android for finally putting some thought into the end-user experience of their OS. This is certainly a step in the right direction. Perhaps some elements are Windows Phone inspired, perhaps not.
Thing is... Windows Phone changed the game as far as UX goes whether we know or not, whether some admit it or not. MS has done something fresh, and completely different than what their competitors have been doing. So, ya know what? That means those competitors now have to step up their game.
In turn, MS will have to step up theirs and so on. A beneficial outcome for nerds, geeks, technophiles, average users, young, old, cats, and dogs, yo mama, and anything else I missed.
So, good on ya, Google.
So its Mango vs Ice cream sandwich!
Pick your poison! I love it.
The facial lock looks awesome!
vetvito said:
So its Mango vs Ice cream sandwich!
Pick your poison! I love it.
The facial lock looks awesome!
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Lol...well said...
pick your poison...
changed the thread to ice cream sandwich vs mango
I am not all that impress with Ice Cream Sandwich.
The update seems to be more about UI revamp that anything else.
The there are only a few new major features:
People app: a plain ripoff from Windows Phone
Face Unlock: I would love to have on Windows Phone
photo editor: I am really surprise Windows Phone doesn't have one
Android Beam: I seriously cannot care less
What Windows Phone really needs is LTE support and to a lesser extent dual-core support.
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I am not all that impress with Ice Cream Sandwich.
The update seems to be more about UI revamp that anything else.
The there are only a few new major features:
Face Unlock: I would love to have on Windows Phone
photo editor: I am really surprise Windows Phone doesn't have one
Android Beam: I seriously cannot care less
What Windows Phone really needs is LTE support and to a lesser extend dual-core support.
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How about the new ICS People Hub?
For ages posters on here have been saying that contacts and social media integration are the best thing about WP7. Now Android has the same feature (with better integration options), bet you the same posters will either ignore it or just dismiss it as a rip-off.
Mark my words, I will be re-quoting this post alot in the near future
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How about the new ICS People Hub?
For ages posters on here have been saying that contacts and social media integration are the best thing about WP7. Now Android has the same feature (with better integration options), bet you posters will either ignore it or just dismiss it as a rip-off.
Mark my words, I will be re-quoting this post alot in the near future
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Yes its a nice feature in ICS. But are you saying its not a rip off? It very much is ;p
nice - day2die just edited his post to include the people app, and has dismissed it as a rip-off. Boom, point proven
dtboos said:
Yes its a nice feature in ICS. But are you saying its not a rip off? It very much is ;p
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All mobile OS's borrow ideas from each other. The problem is "rip-off" implies that's a bad thing, where as actually it's a good thing! For example, IPhone stole Android's notification tray. Is that a bad thing? No, because it works really well, and now you don't have to buy a Android to get that feature.
Saying ICS ripped off a neat WP7 feature makes Android look stronger and WP7 look weaker, not the other way round.
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nice - i see you just edited your post to include the people app, and have dismissed it as a rip-off. Boom, point proven.
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I edited my post even before you post yours. Also, People Hub is not the only feature Windows Phone have.
It doesn't really matter whether its a rip off or not. It's good for the companies to steal from each other and improve things along the way. Google having similar functionality but with better integration is going to push Microsoft to do the same and one-up Google.
Competition is a wonderful thing
For god sakes, you people seem to imply that social network integration is the ONLY feature Windows Phone has.
OMG, Android has now copied the People Hub. Windows Phone is DOOM! /s
One more time. The contacts app has been like this for YEARS, they just redesigned it. Any app could hook into it, ex. Facebook and twitter.
PG2G said:
It doesn't really matter whether its a rip off or not. It's good for the companies to steal from each other and improve things along the way. Google having similar functionality but with better integration is going to push Microsoft to do the same and one-up Google.
Competition is a wonderful thing
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No surprise there. There's a few things in Android that Microsoft should rip straight to Windows Phone.
And I am sure Microsoft will. Mango was RTMed in July and Microsoft probably has been working on Tango for about four months now.
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One more time. The contacts app has been like this for YEARS, they just redesigned it. Any app could hook into it, ex. Facebook and twitter.
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Exactly. I am beginning to think that people haven't seen Android before or something.
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READ this article BEFORE you post to this thread!
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=tho...ons-and-live-tiles-anywhere-in-the-cloud&5669
Glanceable information? No jumping in and out of apps? Less stop and stare? Integration?
Everything just a big, fat lie.
Here's the truth: Nothing in WP7 is new, nothing is different.
You will still jump in and out of apps.
You will still not be able to see information "at a glance".
WP7 will just be a grid of static, oversized icons, like iOS.
From The Unwired:
But rather than that, Windows Phone 7 customers have to jump in and out of the apps - to get status updates; just like on pre-Windows Phone 7 smartphones.
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Except for Android, of course.
Yes, there is an OS that doesn't just talk about "integration" and "information at a glance".
There is an OS that does it. And it's not WP7! It's Android.
WP7 is just lies and hot air. Google does all the things Microsoft only talks about but can't do.
Do you need a hug?
I could use one, yes.
EDIT: Wait... maybe not.
I do agree that Windows Phone 7 does have a few issues with its lack of features but it does look like a good OS. I would personally like to see the live widgets do a bit more as they don't really do much as I would have to go into the Facebook app to look at status updates etc.
The goal is to get you to use LIVE for everything. If not Live then use what's integrated in the phone.
Another thing Hubs will be rare. Carrier hubs and OEM hubs that's it.
ohh here we go again
Uhm... the fact that you give no information? the fact that you just started saying ANDROID ANDROID ANDROID, tells me you should go to the Android section... I love Android a lot too, but Windows Phone 7 just has something I have been missing, and that's something called QUALITY, with so much open source, Android feels locked down and broken, WP7 looks polished and well built. Of course people as of right now dislike it:
NO TETHER, NO FLASH(well guess what iPhone doesn't have that either lmfao), NO THIS APP, etc. etc.
IT IS BRAND NEW! And with this many things at LAUNCH! It's gotten a bigger start than Android!
So just stop trying to kill an OS because your **** is so hard for Android, give other platforms a chance.
Smokexz said:
Uhm... the fact that you give no information? the fact that you just started saying ANDROID ANDROID ANDROID, tells me you should go to the Android section... I love Android a lot too, but Windows Phone 7 just has something I have been missing, and that's something called QUALITY, with so much open source, Android feels locked down and broken, WP7 looks polished and well built. Of course people as of right now dislike it:
NO TETHER, NO FLASH(well guess what iPhone doesn't have that either lmfao), NO THIS APP, etc. etc.
IT IS BRAND NEW! And with this many things at LAUNCH! It's gotten a bigger start than Android!
So just stop trying to kill an OS because your **** is so hard for Android, give other platforms a chance.
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*Standing Ovation*
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So just stop trying to kill an OS because your **** is so hard for Android, give other platforms a chance.
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Funniest post of the day. I can't stop laughing LOL.
OP's a troll..
Phone Titan said:
I do agree that Windows Phone 7 does have a few issues with its lack of features but it does look like a good OS. I would personally like to see the live widgets do a bit more as they don't really do much as I would have to go into the Facebook app to look at status updates etc.
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no you wouldnt jus go to peoples hub to see this information
I think the OP is missing the point. Yes you have to launch apps for certains things - all phones have to no matter what OS. It would be truely magic to be able to get to do something or see something without tapping or launching something.
The whole glance and go premise is related to the home screen with the hubs and live tiles. Its the equivalent of the old win mo today screen which tells you all the necessary info on one screen as soon as you unlock the phone. Something the iPhone can't do right now.
OP, you need to chill. WP7 is brand new and was a bit rushed. This is Microsoft's new baby, however, and it will be continually supported and updated. Just watch.
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Uhm... the fact that you give no information? the fact that you just started saying ANDROID ANDROID ANDROID, tells me you should go to the Android section... I love Android a lot too, but Windows Phone 7 just has something I have been missing, and that's something called QUALITY, with so much open source, Android feels locked down and broken, WP7 looks polished and well built. Of course people as of right now dislike it:
NO TETHER, NO FLASH(well guess what iPhone doesn't have that either lmfao), NO THIS APP, etc. etc.
IT IS BRAND NEW! And with this many things at LAUNCH! It's gotten a bigger start than Android!
So just stop trying to kill an OS because your **** is so hard for Android, give other platforms a chance.
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*applause*
Don't forget that OPs is a Android fanboy and Troll.
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Two for the ovation
Smokexz said:
Uhm... the fact that you give no information? the fact that you just started saying ANDROID ANDROID ANDROID, tells me you should go to the Android section... I love Android a lot too, but Windows Phone 7 just has something I have been missing, and that's something called QUALITY, with so much open source, Android feels locked down and broken, WP7 looks polished and well built. Of course people as of right now dislike it:
NO TETHER, NO FLASH(well guess what iPhone doesn't have that either lmfao), NO THIS APP, etc. etc.
IT IS BRAND NEW! And with this many things at LAUNCH! It's gotten a bigger start than Android!
So just stop trying to kill an OS because your **** is so hard for Android, give other platforms a chance.
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Microsoft has intentionally not included services and featuers which are standard. They are either being stubborn, or they are doing the ol' apple trick of trickling features through "New OS Versions". WP7 has been in development for TWO YEARS, there's no excuse for glaring oversights regarding things that are more less standards and expected.
WP7 lacks saves states for applications, that's inexcusable.
There's no background services. For small developers this basically rules out developing for WP7 without having a lackluster application. Anybody that wants to provide HUB updates to apps will need an extensive infrastructure in the cloud as push is the only solution.
It feels like MS is solving the "fart app" issue of android and ios through pure class division. Any worthwhile application will need a developer with deep pockets to have servers providing push.
I won't deny the fact that the OS is cohesive, fluid, and very beautiful. Once you step out of MS applications things start to fall apart.
It really isn't revolutionary at all. Microsoft is said to spend over $1 Billion in advertising for WP7. WP7 is all about hype and marketing without any substance.
All the apps look the same. Everything has the same structure. It is a bunch of same.
It is a pity that Microsoft actually HAD TO PAY DEVELOPERS to develop apps for WP7.
tboy2000 said:
The whole glance and go premise is related to the home screen with the hubs and live tiles. Its the equivalent of the old win mo today screen which tells you all the necessary info on one screen as soon as you unlock the phone. Something the iPhone can't do right now.
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How about reading before you post?
The whole issue is that the "glance and go premise" will not work because live tiles do not work.
The only tiles that will be "live" are the built in ones from Microsoft. Almost no third party developer will make use of live tiles, because there are huge costs associated with that - setting up a server etc.
What that means is that WP7 will not be "glanceable". In fact, it even will hardly present more information than iOS!
In the end, WP7 will be a grid of (huge) icons, just like iOS. The whole glance and go premise is nothing but a big, fat lie.
@Smokexz
Next time read before you post, moron. I gave you a full article.
I'm not talking about features like multitasking that have been beaten to death. Now read, think, then post.
JCopernicus said:
Any worthwhile application will need a developer with deep pockets to have servers providing push.
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crow26 said:
How about reading before you post?
The whole issue is that the "glance and go premise" will not work because live tiles do not work.
The only tiles that will be "live" are the built in ones from Microsoft. Almost no third party developer will make use of live tiles, because there are huge costs associated with that - setting up a server etc.
What that means is that WP7 will not be "glanceable". In fact, it even will hardly present more information than iOS!
In the end, WP7 will be a grid of (huge) icons, just like iOS. The whole glance and go premise is nothing but a big, fat lie.
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Is this the same kind of lie that apple told about how the iphone 4 will make phone calls, without adding it requires it to be held a certain way or needs a case? Just because there is a cost to implement live tiles doesnt make MS's statements lies, just means the uptake wont be as quick. But no worries, thanks to your news flash I'm off to give all my data to google and the hordes of dodgy devs mining personal data, that'll show MS!
I think i read somewhere that Microsoft hosts servers for push applications for free. If that is true then there is no problem for developers to make such apps.
Source
Summary:
The new capabilities include:
- Office document storage in the cloud. Users will be able to share and store documents through Office 365 and Windows Live Skydrive.
- Pinnable e-mail folders so you can access them from the Start screen.
- Conversation view in e-mails.
- The ability to search your e-mail server for messages no longer stored on your phone.
- Access to a Lync Mobile app (available through the Windows Phone Marketplace), which includes instant-messaging capabilities and shows who's online and available to chat.
I had to do some searching to see what Lync was and I found some information here
We also need to remember these are "leaks" and I see the 24th opening up the doors for a significantly larger amount of improvements. I honestly cannot wait. Microsoft promised, and are delivering. I cannot remember an OS ever improving so drastically in less than a year.
FiyaFleye said:
We also need to remember these are "leaks" and I see the 24th opening up the doors for a significantly larger amount of improvements. I honestly cannot wait. Microsoft promised, and are delivering. I cannot remember an OS ever improving so drastically in less than a year.
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Mango will be by far the biggest OS update for a phone ever. I've been waiting for a lot of these improvements, but never imagined this many would be implemented in the first significant update. I'm very pleased by what I've heard so far, and can't wait to see what they haven't told us yet for their big announcement.
With the superior UI windows phone has, once this update comes out its going to be tough out there for the other platforms if MS can do a good job of showcasing it.
hmm, only 7 days till this can be a review thread instead of speculation.
ohgood said:
hmm, only 7 days till this can be a review thread instead of speculation.
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This is exactly what we're talking about. It's been less than a year and we can already talk about updates that people never imagined. It isn't so much speculation though, I'm pretty sure most of the "rumors" have been confirmed. It's just a matter of seeing what else Microsoft is going to announce, how they're going to announce it, and how deep the integration is going to go. If MIX is any sign, WinPhone's features are all going to be deeply integrated, and we saw that with the Bing searches to IMDB usage.
But this is not a rumour. Windowsteamblog is a MS site and Paul is an employee.
I also am excited about next week. Lync sounds interesting.
"Lync integrates instant messaging, presence, audio, video, web conferencing and voice into one interface that works with Microsoft Office, Microsoft SharePoint and Microsoft Exchange.
Lync Online will be available as part of Office 365, with voice capabilities becoming available in 2011."
Exciting times
nicksti said:
But this is not a rumour. Windowsteamblog is a MS site and Paul is an employee.
I also am excited about next week. Lync sounds interesting.
"Lync integrates instant messaging, presence, audio, video, web conferencing and voice into one interface that works with Microsoft Office, Microsoft SharePoint and Microsoft Exchange.
Lync Online will be available as part of Office 365, with voice capabilities becoming available in 2011."
Exciting times
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Yeah, that's why I put "rumor" in quotes, and I was referring to more than this, as I seriously think the People Hub upgrades and such lead to amazing productivity. What I'm most happy to see is that we're getting increased features with this incredibly efficient UI and experience... I've honestly not had a single "bad" experience with this phone... It hasn't even lagged on me, and that's some amazing stuff considering I don't ever do a soft reset. I'm glad the days of constant resets and memory leaks are gone
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Yeah, that's why I put "rumor" in quotes, and I was referring to more than this, as I seriously think the People Hub upgrades and such lead to amazing productivity. What I'm most happy to see is that we're getting increased features with this incredibly efficient UI and experience... I've honestly not had a single "bad" experience with this phone... It hasn't even lagged on me, and that's some amazing stuff considering I don't ever do a soft reset. I'm glad the days of constant resets and memory leaks are gone
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I honestly can say I like the things I am reading. I like them alot. And it is quite a laundry list of stuff.
Now what they really need to do is have this all out the door by october/november alongside a fabulous wave of new phones. Get it done MS.
Are there any news about improving Zune? On phone playlists etc.?
toza said:
Are there any news about improving Zune? On phone playlists etc.?
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Yes, it was confirmed that there will be a smart DJ thingy somewhat.. This will support on phone playlists and more. You can read more details about it here.
toza said:
Are there any news about improving Zune? On phone playlists etc.?
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Check the Windows updates thread as that has plenty of posts discussing the plethora of updates upcoming in Mango. This thread is to share information about the business updates to Windows Phone.
any news on mango?? did it come out??
Is nobody reading any other sites but this one?
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any news on mango?? did it come out??
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it was mentioned in the press conference that mango will be out this fall same time with the new devices that carry windows phone. im not sure if i understood it correctly, developers will get an early look at mango.
there were only a few things that MS put emphasis on but as per the videos that are coming out, aside from what has been divulged in the press conference,there are a lot of things in store for the consumers.
pocketnow also has a couple videos showing things that were not mentioned in the press conference.
developer tools will be up for download within 24hours.
heres also a short demo of the built in turn by turn feature included in mango
joe belfiore also has some videos on youtube in which constitutes things that were highlighted in the conference.
cheerio
I'm courious about:
* If email will finally show all the HTML pictures
* Word will have finally any sensible edit options (or will stay dumb as it is)
what about search contact? can we search company in mango? any news on this the search function?
I know global phone search is coming, and I would assume that includes more than the name of the contact. I hope you can, and thats a good question.
Looks like the Calendar is getting a boost too.
Birthday Calendar will sync
Multiple Windows Live calendar sync option (no word yet on multiple calendars from other sources like Gmail).
http://www.neowin.net/news/wp7-multiple-calendars-marketplace-transition-mango-in-nz-and-more
FiyaFleye said:
We also need to remember these are "leaks" and I see the 24th opening up the doors for a significantly larger amount of improvements. I honestly cannot wait. Microsoft promised, and are delivering. I cannot remember an OS ever improving so drastically in less than a year.
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THAT'S what I'm talking about !!
People insists comparing Windows Phone 7 with iOS and Android, but forget that the iOS and the Android are on the market for more than 3 years !!!
iOS was CRAP when it was released (and still look like crap, in my opinion).
Android was f*cking ugly and had no APPS (still ugly as hell, in my opinion again).
Now, iOS fanboys say: "Oh, we have over 300.000 apps !!"
YES, but 299.000 are USELESS !!!
I think that Windows Phone 7 is WAY more advanced in visuals and features than both (iOS and Android) on their release and will become BETTER with Mango update with much less time than iOS and Android updates.
PS: I'm not a Apple hater, I had an iPhone 3G (the dark age).
And yes, I AM f*ckin mad!
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THAT'S what I'm talking about !!
People insists comparing Windows Phone 7 with iOS and Android, but forget that the iOS and the Android are on the market for more than 3 years !!!
iOS was CRAP when it was released (and still look like crap, in my opinion).
Android was f*cking ugly and had no APPS (still ugly as hell, in my opinion again).
Now, iOS fanboys say: "Oh, we have over 300.000 apps !!"
YES, but 299.000 are USELESS !!!
I think that Windows Phone 7 is WAY more advanced in visuals and features than both (iOS and Android) on their release and will become BETTER with Mango update with much less time than iOS and Android updates.
PS: I'm not a Apple hater, I had an iPhone 3G (the dark age).
And yes, I AM f*ckin mad!
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PLEASE keep these sort of OS comparisons in the thread that exists explicitly for that purpose...
WP7 vs. iPhone vs. Android vs. WM6.5 vs. webOS vs. Maemo - THE comparison!
I see that you've posted there, so I know that you know it exists...
Looks like Apple is taking what people love about every other OS and mashing up into one. That's just brilliant!
Sure they're copying plenty of stuff but the end users won't care as long as their phones do everything they want. Any thoughts?
I dislike the title of this thread. Espeically in a WP7 forum. If they are "copying" then it just shows how good the people are they are copying it from. iOS needed to keep up with the latest standards and its good to have competition.
comeradealexi said:
I dislike the title of this thread. Espeically in a WP7 forum. If they are "copying" then it just shows how good the people are they are copying it from. iOS needed to keep up with the latest standards and its good to have competition.
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+1 for this... .
If you are a fanboy then there is a forum in XDA for you ..Not here please ...go to the iPhone forum
Wow, are we not adults here? Can't we talk about what's good about an other OS? Really, wow...
that's just it save from notifications and text only browser, a lot of things are offered in wp7 mango natively...so what's the point? I mean the main problem I have is that apple is still app centric. Yes its finally doing a lot with regards to integration, but is it enough? I'm not sure
I don't mind having a discussion on this I bought my sister an ipad so the ios info is good for me to know...
In many ways it seems that apple has finally caught up to microsoft and google in terms of OS integration and consumer demand...only took 4 years
imho the notes system looks cluttered and gimmicky
lol
I saw the title of this and came by, really from my reading on this apple didn't show me anything that wp7 doesn't support natively or will. Its good they updated their approach keeps people on their toes but your title is wow.
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Wow, are we not adults here? Can't we talk about what's good about an other OS? Really, wow...
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Yes we are ..your title its not ...just change your title m8..Really wow...
Can I just say I've never owned an iPhone or an Apple product for that matter and my last 3 phones have been Windows Phones. Still doesn't prevent me from seeing what others are doing right, the opposite would actually make me a fanboy.
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Can I just say I've never owned an iPhone or an Apple product for that matter and my last 3 phones have been Windows Phones. Still doesn't prevent me from seeing what others are doing right, the opposite would actually make me a fanboy.
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You title says : "isn't iOS 5 The Ultimate OS? "
What is the ultimate m8??? The trend and the fashion ..not technology and inovation !!!
New new future presented today by Apple
1. The present today a camera button as a big news... OMG
2. The presen icloud as something new ...Guys skydrive or dropbox are on the market for some time now
3. The present today the notification system ...Woowww this is realy a breakthrough.
This is Apple guys...
Dont forget last year the told us for the fisrt time that there is something called copy paste and multitasking....
They are good ...but only on marketing and on creating trend and fashion...
I gotcha P
I have owned every major phone OS (Smartphone) in US, and WP7 just works for me I have had android and IOS both are great at what they do give me apps that do what I need at that time. Now to touch base with a couple of things we are all wrong in the respect of what is better for this guy is better for that. Everything is based on perception on how it feels to the consumer, and most comparisons on phone stuff is based on what someone shows us at a given time. I pleaded my case with Windows Mobile time and time again when I was with ATT and then the new Phone OS came out with features I already had, the biggest is (tethering) but people tend to go with whats cool and who is using what. Apples biggest advantage by far is accessories I buy one and it works on all my iphones, ipods, etc that is the only advantage I see apple having right now. (I hope this is still on topic I jabber alot)
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nice Colossus
colossus_r said:
You title says : "isn't iOS 5 The Ultimate OS? "
What is the ultimate m8??? The trend and the fashion ..not technology and inovation !!!
New new future presented today by Apple
1. The present today a camera button as a big news... OMG
2. The presen icloud as something new ...Guys skydrive or dropbox are on the market for some time now
3. The present today the notification system ...Woowww this is realy a breakthrough.
This is Apple guys...
Dont forget last year the told us for the fisrt time that there is something called copy paste and multitasking....
They are good ...but only on marketing and on creating trend and fashion...
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well said apple does some great things but they also have the best marketing group on the planet, and that does change everything
colossus_r said:
You title says : "isn't iOS 5 The Ultimate OS? "
What is the ultimate m8??? The trend and the fashion ..not technology and inovation !!!
New new future presented today by Apple
1. The present today a camera button as a big news... OMG
2. The presen icloud as something new ...Guys skydrive or dropbox are on the market for some time now
3. The present today the notification system ...Woowww this is realy a breakthrough.
This is Apple guys...
Dont forget last year the told us for the fisrt time that there is something called copy paste and multitasking....
They are good ...but only on marketing and on creating trend and fashion...
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Actually, Copy Paste is there sincer iOS 3. 2 years from now. But I think they copied exactly Android. In a beautiful way, of course.
Still, I prefer Mango than iOS 5 (;
We just need some apps. And Mango, of course.
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I see what your saying about the iOS so know that one person fully agrees with you.
I don't see a problem with them copying anything? Really, what they are copying is exactly what they needed to make a well rounded OS. It would be very foolish of them to just look at what they need and push it aside. I say, iOS 5 is gonna be insane.
I would also like to add that I kinda predicted their new notification system in another thread on here. And yes, I do want a cookie
There's a lot of stuff WP7 Mango does that ios doesnt do- Threads that integrate your SMS, IM's, Facebook chat, People hub where you can see your history with a person including calls, texts, pictures, bing extras, local scout, native Office, Xbox live (8 new games here http://www.winrumors.com/8-new-xbox-live-enabled-windows-phone-7-games-revealed-at-e3/), IE9 with hardware acceleration - looking at ios5 I cant think of anything that it now has that really trumps Mango.
apple added features from other OS's but even then WP7's integration is second to none and still comes out on top for me.
I don't see much difference in terms of features between iOS5 and Mango (there are areas where each one is better than the other), but that's certainly bad for Mango. It's not enough to have feature parity with the leader to beat it, especially when media calls iOS5 "massive" and Mango "underwhelming".
I understand the sentiment and agree but dont think the title gave the thread much chance..
If its the ultimate there is no reason for anyone to buy any other device.
One thing is good though - it'll be much easier for Microsoft to explain what Windows Live is. Their Marketing and PR people should commit harakiri, I think. One cannot live with such shame.
Off topic: Windows Mobile had copy and paste and Multi-tasking since forever. So I don't know what all the praise for iPhone is/was all about. I also believe what Microsoft really needs to work on is their Marketing department. I think that's just where Apple beats them.
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iOS5 looks like a cracking upgrade for people who already own iOS devices, or are heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem. It's fan service, rather than something that will bring in new customers by the droves.
I've got to say though, it does tempt me back towards an iPhone. If they had a Zune Pass style music subscription service I might have made the jump with the iPhone 5, though there's a few other features I'd like to see. WebOS-style linking between phone and tablet for a start.
Mango looks like a stronger update, but starting from a weaker position. Microsoft also seem to lack a real platform currently. They've got lots of small projects going on, but it's a bit disjointed. My Windows Phone, Windows PC and Xbox 360 don't really play nice together and I'm yet to see a Windows Tablet that I want to buy. Windows 8 needs to hurry up...
Now I know how these tend to be contentious topics but hopefully we can avoid this.
I looked (and am still looking) over the iOS 5 features and it seemed a little lackluster to me. The iCloud is nice and the Notifications is Android but welcomed none the less. Microsoft does have Skydrive but I am trying to head to head the two cloud services to see the differences.
What do you think? Was there enough innovation in iOS 5 that gave it market separation? What does Windows Phone need (besides notifications)?
Both are due in fall. I was worried iOS would do some kind of widgets with a fresh new UI but they did not which is a win for android and wp7.
Your take?
truthfully nothing to worry about...
next thing you know apple is gonna sue google for the notifications hahah
also is the icloud some type of paid dropbox?
I really haven't seen much that it's adding. Still, it will sell millions.
Shame on Engadget.com....
They turn to be more fans than Apple's fanboys.
The first 9 post now are for Apple and the WWDC 2011 event...
I dont remember last week to do the same whith microsoft WP7 Mango event.
Shame on you ...once again...i will stop reading that site
Engadget have been Apple fanboys for a while now. The Microsoft keynote that was liveblogged by them was shamefully fully of sarcasm. Biased to no ends.
iCloud is free so I am not sure how it is a paid dropbox. Unless you mean the offering of paid services from the free one.
It sounds like Skydrive to me but also integrating Apple services.
I was most afraid they would really improve the look and feel of iOS but that did not happen. It reminds me of some arguments that took place on this forum about progress. It is easier to add missing features than to innovate.
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Engadget have been Apple fanboys for a while now. The Microsoft keynote that was liveblogged by them was shamefully fully of sarcasm. Biased to no ends.
iCloud is free so I am not sure how it is a paid dropbox. Unless you mean the offering of paid services from the free one.
It sounds like Skydrive to me but also integrating Apple services.
I was most afraid they would really improve the look and feel of iOS but that did not happen. It reminds me of some arguments that took place on this forum about progress. It is easier to add missing features than to innovate.
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And as i wrote in another thread
Apple is the trend and the fashion Company..not technology and inovation !!!
New new future presented today by Apple
1. They present today a camera button as a big news... OMG
2. They presen icloud as something new ...Guys skydrive or dropbox are on the market for some time now
3. They present today the notification system ...Woowww this is realy a breakthrough.
This is Apple guys...
Dont forget 2 years a go they told us for the fisrt time that there is something called copy paste and multitasking....
They are good ...but only on marketing and on creating trend and fashion...
While iCloud is basically SkyDrive + Mesh, it's important that it seems better implemented based on what I hear. It allows to back up your settings, ringtones etc., and it gives APIs to third party apps. These two things make it immensely more useful, IMO.
Oh, and one more thing - before iCloud, Apple actually had nothing to lock users in after they started selling DRM-free music. Now they do.
I would be a hater to say that the features presented are not useful, and/or desireable. But on a whole it lacked the wow factor.
Should this have been iOS 5? Or 4.7?
Judging by media reaction, it has enough wow factor to last three OSes for like a year or so...
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Judging by media reaction, it has enough wow factor to last three OSes for like a year or so...
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No surprise there, the media hates everythng Microsoft and loves everything apple so they could have showed a pile of poo and the media would still have loved it.
This is Apple guys...
Dont forget 2 years a go they told us for the fisrt time that there is something called copy paste and multitasking....
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Dont forget,microsoft told us about copy paste and multitasking last year and get it this year which android and iOS already had these in their OS ages ago.In this competition,it is all about speed.
Furthermore,in this year,iOS5 will provide over 1500+APIs to developers which is he same with mango update,however,when you add up the previous years APIs,it is over 5000APIs....
now,lets see how microsoft chase this trend...Of course,I'm not worry,but iOS and android always give us an option....
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Dont forget,microsoft told us about copy paste and multitasking last year and get it this year which android and iOS already had these in their OS ages ago.In this competition,it is all about speed.
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But Microsoft did not market it like they were the first. I was actually surprised about the humility Apple showed in the conference. I did not see any blatant jabs at anyone else (save for some PC and Windows ones in the Lion like when he said lost in windows).
I came out feeling that Android and Windows Phone could gain further marketshare by Apple not doing something really different to the UI. I was hearing the widgets rumours and the orbital UI and thought they would come out with something that would put them lightyears ahead. Instead, the race is a photofinish.
Nothing to worry about? Sounds like 2007 in here. Be honest.
I'm really disappointed in iOS5 because I expected Apple to innovate and come with new features that would push the entire mobile space forward. Instead we got stuff that has already been done on the other platforms.
That said, they did manage to make the platform much more solid, taking care of many of the complaints people have against it.
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Dont forget,microsoft told us about copy paste and multitasking last year and get it this year which android and iOS already had these in their OS ages ago.In this competition,it is all about speed.
Furthermore,in this year,iOS5 will provide over 1500+APIs to developers which is he same with mango update,however,when you add up the previous years APIs,it is over 5000APIs....
now,lets see how microsoft chase this trend...Of course,I'm not worry,but iOS and android always give us an option....
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Sure, but iOS has existed for much longer than WP7. It took Apple and Android over a year to add Copy/Paste, whereas it took WP7 only a few months. iOS didn't even have MMS for the longest time, whereas it came stock in WP7. A camera button still doesn't even exist on the iPhone, users have to now use the volume key. What happens when they're listening to music and want to take a picture? Which takes precedent? Great multi-tasking for ya...Oh yeah, and they still have to fumble to their camera app to even be able to take one. The WP7 Marketplace reached 10,000 and 20,000 apps in a shorter time period than the competition.
When looking over the lifetime of all three platforms, with startup at the same point in time, WP7 is expanding much quicker than iOS and Android ever did.
I know you can say "Oh, well since these things (Copy/Paste) already existed in other platforms, WP7 should have had them from the beginning."
That's not how development works. An infant OS is born, and it is updated as it is developed.
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Nothing to worry about? Sounds like 2007 in here. Be honest.
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They have a point
Joe Belifore hit it on the head when he mentioned a lot of the things on ios 5 is on mango or in nodo...and its not that groundbreaking...
IMHO I'm not impressed and I use apple ipad so its not blind windows fanboyism
I really wanted to be impressed and frankly I was not
I hope Microsoft also impliments a notification tray of some sort in the future. WebOS and Android got it right and Apple copied it right. I haven't seen any improvements to notification system in Mango, yet. I hope they address it in Apollo.
Other than that, I am really not surprised that Apple didn't add much to the OS. I mean, once you have a good multitasking system and a good notification system, there is nothing much left to develop for an app launcher style smartphone OS. Developers can pretty much add any features that users need/want.
Smartphone OS development/update graph is very logarithmic.. it slows down considerably after 2-3 updates. Expect the same with WP7
Expectations were high lets admit it, and a few were expecting something grand like only Apple and Jobs know how to put out.
Putting aside comments of "Android/WebOS" already had this, and the fact Apple took advantage of little things that were developed by other apps & services, at the end of the day its a good upgrade to iOS, which only brings values to us customers.
Couple of nice features (PC Free and iCloud) but I was hoping they'd let us in on the whole Nuance deal and their voice recognition, which didn't happen.
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Joe Belifore hit it on the head when he mentioned a lot of the things on ios 5 is on mango or in nodo...and its not that groundbreaking...
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Maybe, but the important thing is that he has to resort to twitter to talk about it, and this is largely ignored by the world. So, for the general public, it won't matter whether Joe Belfiore thought ahead of Steve Jobs. And that's something Microsoft should worry about.
Me, not so much.
lately while i have been going out i have been seeing more windows phones out in the wild. Although where i am at i see like 25 iphones a few droids but i never saw windows phones. Well now i am actually seeing windows phones out in the wild occasionly. 2012 looks like it could be a good year for windows phones. Who knows maybe 2012 will be the year of windows phones?
Sounds promising. Which phone do you have?
Yes I beleive once they drop Apollo the masses will come flocking unless iphone 5 is real promising, but people are going to start looking for a change and I beleive WP7 will be it for them. WP7 is already striking the interest of many but so many people see the features Android and iOS has to offer and they end up following the sheep. Seen it happen numerous times. Once we get a compeitive phone on the market then we can really compete.
I own a samsung focus
937dytboi said:
Yes I beleive once they drop Apollo the masses will come flocking unless iphone 5 is real promising, but people are going to start looking for a change and I beleive WP7 will be it for them. WP7 is already striking the interest of many but so many people see the features Android and iOS has to offer and they end up following the sheep. Seen it happen numerous times. Once we get a compeitive phone on the market then we can really compete.
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At what point in sales numbers do people quit being people, and become sheep ?
Its more of people following the fad, for no good reason, at least the people ive ran into and asked myself, me personally I dont care. But it seems that people that arent techie seem to go where everybody else go without trying other things on the market. This girl at my job was absolutely tired of her Android because it ran like crap. Obviously her next choose was iOS, I told her to look at WP7 and I also gave her good reasons to get the WP7. Few days later she gets the iOS. My cousin who is an avid Nokia guy and always stood by them was looking to get a Nokia WP7 device. Few weeks later he gets the HTC Amaze, reasoning: the Amaze is the most powerful phone on the market. Even though I told my cousin WP7 doesnt need the same power to operate like it should he still choose the Android device. From my experience with several other people it seems like they are scared to step out of the realm and try something different. Therefore they follow the sheep without giving the WP7 a try. Im not mad at there decision because im not the one using their device.
I don't think WP7 will rise again. I don't really know what deal thought Nokia to do with Microsoft, but everything is far behind possible. Mango should have brought at least the same functionalities tan Android, but at this time, I don't have even wifi theetering on my LG, where the most of branded LG have. everything is missing in WP7, and I saw the new galaxy phone with Android 4 will be there soon. maybe in a couple of months I'll get my theetering, where the Android and iOS will get a new load of things
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Its more of people following the fad, for no good reason, at least the people ive ran into and asked myself, me personally I dont care. But it seems that people that arent techie seem to go where everybody else go without trying other things on the market. This girl at my job was absolutely tired of her Android because it ran like crap. Obviously her next choose was iOS, I told her to look at WP7 and I also gave her good reasons to get the WP7. Few days later she gets the iOS. My cousin who is an avid Nokia guy and always stood by them was looking to get a Nokia WP7 device. Few weeks later he gets the HTC Amaze, reasoning: the Amaze is the most powerful phone on the market. Even though I told my cousin WP7 doesnt need the same power to operate like it should he still choose the Android device. From my experience with several other people it seems like they are scared to step out of the realm and try something different. Therefore they follow the sheep without giving the WP7 a try. Im not mad at there decision because im not the one using their device.
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Well that's probably because the App selection on WP7 is even worse than on Android and basically no one owns it, a lot of people buy Android for the same reason they buy iPhones, they know the name, WP7 is new and no one likes change much. WP7 is VERY nice, but the features are boring, and yeah it brings a new UI but that's all that it does, I don't think it will be a big OS anytime soon, Android and iOS will be in the top for a long time.
Give this to the second page for it to descend into the usual "WP7 sucks" thread. Cant allow the spread of any positive WP7 news now, can we?
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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karan1203 said:
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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I guess it'll be late then. Tango will not add that many things, but Apollo is the key here.
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IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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Agreed
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karan1203 said:
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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hold your horses there, how many phones will be running vanilla android= a few. Excuse me but every windows phone runs amazing and yes i read reviews for ics but android is still android and over time it will run like crap. I owned an android and used it now i am on windows phone and loving it. I dont think i can go back to android. IOS sells very well so i dont think you can say it "sucks" but the interface is still quite boring and i would never get an "i" device.
Just my 2 cents, If you compared iOS, Android & WP7 for their 1st year achivement, then you will see how fast the trend is that WP try to catch up to compete with Android & iOS.
Conclusion is,
take what you love, rather than bash it after you get it, whether it is an Android, an iDevice, or a WP.
karan1203 said:
IOS still sucks but android ice cream sandwich has surpassed windows phone in almost every way. I think tango will decide the fate for WP. If it doesn't add at least 500 features like mango, It will be too late
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Tango is a minor update, the equivalent of NoDo. It's not going to be adding anything major except potentially support for things like LTE and NFC. There were also early rumors of system wide search being added.
Mango has put WP7 at a decent place. It isn't up to par with iOS or Android but it is usable. It just needs attractive devices and a better catalog of apps. Hopefully Nokia's US devices will keep things moving until the major update later next year.
I was showing a female friend my HD7 the other day and i could not believe it when she said the interface was cluttered and ugly, this coming from some one who owns and iPhone 4. The iphone GUI was cutting edge when it came out but endless pages of applications that offer no information rather then the occasion number to indicate an event is rather outdated. Although Live tiles have not been implement as well i and most probably Microsoft would of hoped.
Her only problem with the WP7 interface was that is scrolls down, to be honest i would not be surprised if they change this in a future update to co inside with all the other metro UI offerings. I love my HD7 but i agree Microsoft has to really pick up the ball and significantly increase its list of features and specifications if they want to compete.
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hold your horses there, how many phones will be running vanilla android= a few. Excuse me but every windows phone runs amazing and yes i read reviews for ics but android is still android and over time it will run like crap. I owned an android and used it now i am on windows phone and loving it. I dont think i can go back to android. IOS sells very well so i dont think you can say it "sucks" but the interface is still quite boring and i would never get an "i" device.
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Wether ICS will "run like crap" (your speculation)with some time/usage or not does not matter. What matters is it will be yet another major update to the OS, enough to pull in more new customers and prompt people that like signing contracts to re-up.
Previously everyone speculated that Mango and its 500 features was going to slaughter all the other mobile os's. When that didn't happen, the rumor mill turned to "when we get some cool hardware" we will slaughter ios/bb/android.
I belive the post above mine mentiones a girl saying wp7 is "ugly".. while she prefers the 3 deminsional ios icons, and lots of them. I've heard other people call wp7 "flat" before, but this is the first mention on xda. The changes wp7 is going to have to have will include a visually stunning CHANGE from the current setup. New customers have seen it, for over a year now. If mango, new nokia phones, and another small update isn't the right lure, what is ?
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Wether ICS will "run like crap" (your speculation)with some time/usage or not does not matter. What matters is it will be yet another major update to the OS, enough to pull in more new customers and prompt people that like signing contracts to re-up.
Previously everyone speculated that Mango and its 500 features was going to slaughter all the other mobile os's. When that didn't happen, the rumor mill turned to "when we get some cool hardware" we will slaughter ios/bb/android.
I belive the post above mine mentiones a girl saying wp7 is "ugly".. while she prefers the 3 deminsional ios icons, and lots of them. I've heard other people call wp7 "flat" before, but this is the first mention on xda. The changes wp7 is going to have to have will include a visually stunning CHANGE from the current setup. New customers have seen it, for over a year now. If mango, new nokia phones, and another small update isn't the right lure, what is ?
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why do you spend all day here if you hate wp7 and dont even own one?
Get a life....
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If mango, new nokia phones, and another small update isn't the right lure, what is ?
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Advertising. They have really got to create interest, create a desirable image, or tout features that the others do not have.......
You know, stuff like...
A group of business people outdoors on a jobsite going over something. There is a problem, and people in the group begin fumbling with obvious androids and iphones and computers trying to get the information. Zoom in on the pretty woman with the windows phone who opens excel, grabs the info, edits it, and then becomes the hero of the situation while showing the others the information. Someone will say, "what kind of phone is that", and then Cue the "Windows Phone 7" logo.
or
Two college students are walking toward a mall, they see three pretty girls. "We should call Shaun to meet up with us", one says. "Yeah right", says the other, "he's probably gaming on his xbox". "I'll text him and see if he can come", cue the image him texting in the background. In the foreground, close up on the windows phone 7, hit xbox live, and him messaging and getting a reply. Zoom back in on the texter who says, "he didn't reply". The Winphone7 user says, "he'll be here in 15 minutes". "How do you know that?" the first clueless student says..... Cue the Windows Phone 7 logo.
They have got to advertise. I am expecting a blitz when they launch the Nokia phones here in America. We will see
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I was showing a female friend my HD7 the other day and i could not believe it when she said the interface was cluttered and ugly, this coming from some one who owns and iPhone 4. The iphone GUI was cutting edge when it came out but endless pages of applications that offer no information rather then the occasion number to indicate an event is rather outdated. Although Live tiles have not been implement as well i and most probably Microsoft would of hoped.
Her only problem with the WP7 interface was that is scrolls down, to be honest i would not be surprised if they change this in a future update to co inside with all the other metro UI offerings. I love my HD7 but i agree Microsoft has to really pick up the ball and significantly increase its list of features and specifications if they want to compete.
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Sad but true. People are just not open to change. I showed my phone to several friends. The ones using Symbian were instantly amazed, but the ones who had used Android found it ugly. As if a sea of confusing icons is the only way a UI should look like. They say, "S**t, you can't theme it to something different?"
I can only feel sad for their lack of understanding. I owned a Nexus S, and i am just not going back to it.