Just wondering how the output configures itself to display on the screen?
I have a 1080p sony LCD that its feeding to and I get the display cut off a bit on either side. The television however will not allow me to choose a pixel-to-pixel true picture display (greyed out).
thx
bpm2000 said:
Just wondering how the output configures itself to display on the screen?
I have a 1080p sony LCD that its feeding to and I get the display cut off a bit on either side. The television however will not allow me to choose a pixel-to-pixel true picture display (greyed out).
thx
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Does your TV have compatibility for 1280x720 over HDMI?
Keep looking in the settings on your TV. Only the super cheap low end TVs do not have this setting. I have a 1080p Sony Bravia and on my TV the setting was under the Picture menu and it was not labeled overscan it was labeled picture adjustment. When you get it set right the picture will fit like a glove.
yea its a 1080p bravia, a little older but still.
Will keep looking.
Mine is a little older too but I guarantee the setting is there somewhere.
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yea its a 1080p bravia, a little older but still.
Will keep looking.
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It's not under the picture settings, it's under the more generic settings and there'll be a section about HDMI. The option will either be labelled "Zoom", "Overscan", or something about pixel display. Set it to full and you're done.
So when using the Slimport adapter with the Nexus 7, the 1920x1200 16:10 image is scaled down to a 1728x1080 16:10 image.
The 1728x1080 image is displayed on a 1080p 16:9 TV with black "pillars" on the left and right sides.
For me, this is completely undesirable.
I am hoping that there is a custom rom out there that offers more slimport output options.
Such as:
-Changing the Android workspace to 1920x1080. Letter boxing on the tablet and pixel perfect on the TV.
-Changing the Android workspace to 1920x1080. Vertical stretching on the tablet and pixel perfect on the TV.
-Retaining the Android workspace at 1200p. Vertically squashing the TV image to 16:9 for a 1080p image with distorted aspect ratio with no black bars. (distorted AR can be reversed with many Video player apps and Picture viewer apps).
Any of those is more desirable to a 1728x1080p pillar boxed output. Any help on the issue would be greatly apreciated.
I've posted a feature request on google groups, asking them to consider adding more output resolution options to Android. http://productforums.google.com/forum/?hl=en+#!category-topic/mobile/android-devices/cgKZEwu4CZg
Downscaling 1920x1200 to 1728x1080 involves un-even averaging of pixels on both the horizontal and vertical. Out of the many other ptotential options for display output, this has to be the worst.
I agree with you guys, there should be a better solution.
I have a 1920x1200 monitor, which is perfect for 1:1 direct output, but the N7 2013 still output at 1728x1080. It does not look good, especially when watching videos. The downsizing also causes a visible performance drop, there is a slight lag when interacting with the UI.
Found this while having the same issues:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45005807&postcount=25
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Found this while having the same issues:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45005807&postcount=25
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Awesome, thanks!
Hi! I've got some serious pixelisation/artifact problem when i stream to netflix or youtube.
The problem seems to be related at the black color. Most of the time when there is a dark scene or some black element in a scene i will see some kind of pixel/artifact. I took a screenshot of a scene in a godzilla trailer but ... For some reason it look good while on my tablet its not.
On the picture attached on the left building most of the left side in the black area is pixelated on my tablet (i dont know why its not on the screenshot)
I tried to turn off the adaptive display while whatching videos but... it doesnt help. I also tried different streaming option (auto, low, med, high resolution) with netflix but it didnt helped.
I would like to know if its normal or i've got a faulty tablet (its the 2nd tab s i've got with the same issue).
Thank you
It`s hard to see from that photo, have a search for "black crush" problem that affected Samsung displays in the past, see if your problem is the same, but this problem affects all video not just streaming, maybe it`s a compression problem from poor quality steaming.
I save your photo and loaded it into paint.net app and used the auto levels setting, as from your photo i could only see the center bright section.
John.
I would say it's more to do with the fact that the display has such a high resolution it is capable of showing up artifacts within the video that maybe another display is not capable of displaying.
I know the tab had a high res but this issue doesnt seem really normal to me.
i just did an exchange for another Tab s and it does the same thing on netflix. Is this possible because the resolution of the tab is 1.5x higher than 1080p i've got this issue?
I convert all my video`s to 640x360 on my 10.5" and they look great, so it`s more likely a streaming compression problem and not resolution.
John.
Hi guys, I've tried to watch some movies with HDR (1080 and UHD movies) but the image is really really dark even on max brightness level in a dark room; I've tried both Plex and MX Player Pro but still nothing, even the HDR videos on YouTube are very dark.
Also I am sure that the HDR of the video works correctly because on a samsung galaxy s10 it works perfectly and I can see it very well.
Here is a comparison to show you the difference indicatively (S10 VS Mi Pad 5): Imgur Comparisons
Does this happen to you too?
My tablet: International Xiaomi Pad 5 with MIUI 12.5 (12.5.8.0 Stable)
different display, different hdr format. s10 use hdr10+ with a amoled screen so def better than ips panel with standard hdr10.
different display, different hdr format. s10 use hdr10+ with a amoled screen so def better than ips panel with standard hdr10.
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It's not a question of better or worse panel, here with the mi pad 5 the HDR does not work completely.
It is sold as HDR10 & Dolby Vision certified but then they don't work at all; I've also seen a user on reddit report the exact same thing so I'm starting to think it's a software problem...
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It's not a question of better or worse panel, here with the mi pad 5 the HDR does not work completely.
It is sold as HDR10 & Dolby Vision certified but then they don't work at all; I've also seen a user on reddit report the exact same thing so I'm starting to think it's a software problem...
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when you open hdr video, if it's too dark, yes, that's because hdr is working, but ips panel is not really good at dark color so that's the problem.
I also subscribe to this issue, I own the Non-Pro and HDR videos are way too dark, some movies on Netflix are almost impossible to watch despite cracking the brightness up manually (it makes the subtitle too bright compared to actual video).
I hope Xiaomi will implement a fix in future updates.
Also, when playing Dolby Vision files, the aspect ratio is something bad such as 20:9 (actual videos are played in some ultra-wide aspect ratio), the actual dark frames on top and bottom eat 50% of the vertical space, this is also a bug.
If I knew the software is that bad I would had gone with Samsung tablet instead.
@OP is not wrong at all, this is a software issue, the screen is bright enough for HDR content but the software is lacking.
Bug has been reported on a lot of forums, including here :
https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/rofr22
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I also subscribe to this issue, I own the Non-Pro and HDR videos are way too dark, some movies on Netflix are almost impossible to watch despite cracking the brightness up manually (it makes the subtitle too bright compared to actual video).
I hope Xiaomi will implement a fix in future updates.
Also, when playing Dolby Vision files, the aspect ratio is something bad such as 20:9 (actual videos are played in some ultra-wide aspect ratio), the actual dark frames on top and bottom eat 50% of the vertical space, this is also a bug.
If I knew the software is that bad I would had gone with Samsung tablet instead.
@OP is not wrong at all, this is a software issue, the screen is bright enough for HDR content but the software is lacking.
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Thanks for confirming my theory, it needs a bug fix otherwise so the device is really unusable for HDR content.
Have you also reported this to Xiaomi hoping that it will solve as soon as possible?
The problem is that hdr videos are made for really bright screens (hdr10 1000nits, hdr10+ 4000nits, DV up to 10tsd nits). Now on TVs this is normally not a problem because the TVs know what there max. brightness is and they can adjust the brightness of the movies. The tablet itself does also know the max. brightness but the Netflix or whatever player does not (or at least it does not work). What you can do is, use a player like mpv, and set the target-peak or, which i would not recommend, set the video brightness. Sadly, once again, the users who pay and watch movies legally are the ****ed once.
Its a night and day difference.
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Have you also reported this to Xiaomi hoping that it will solve as soon as possible?
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Did you used the feedback app that they include in the actual ROM? Or on a website?
icsterm said:
I also subscribe to this issue, I own the Non-Pro and HDR videos are way too dark, some movies on Netflix are almost impossible to watch despite cracking the brightness up manually (it makes the subtitle too bright compared to actual video).
I hope Xiaomi will implement a fix in future updates.
Also, when playing Dolby Vision files, the aspect ratio is something bad such as 20:9 (actual videos are played in some ultra-wide aspect ratio), the actual dark frames on top and bottom eat 50% of the vertical space, this is also a bug.
If I knew the software is that bad I would had gone with Samsung tablet instead.
@OP is not wrong at all, this is a software issue, the screen is bright enough for HDR content but the software is lacking.
Bug has been reported on a lot of forums, including here :
https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/rofr22
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I noticed that the "standard" display mode was way better for me than Vivid on Netflix. I can see dark scenes way better with it
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The problem is that hdr videos are made for really bright screens (hdr10 1000nits, hdr10+ 4000nits, DV up to 10tsd nits).
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By your logic, DV must be completely black but instead, it's the only HDR that works on Pad5.
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Also, when playing Dolby Vision files, the aspect ratio is something bad such as 20:9 (actual videos are played in some ultra-wide aspect ratio), the actual dark frames on top and bottom eat 50% of the vertical space, this is also a bug.
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This is a "just player" bug, use mpv.
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By your logic, DV must be completely black but instead, it's the only HDR that works on Pad5.
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No, bad wording. It is made for screens up to ...nits. Now when you want to display it on a screen, not as bright, you need to map the colors to a lower brightness. And you don't wan't to simply cut it off on the dark or bright side. But you can tweak the mapping and the default players are really bad at it. Also i have no clue why DV should be the only one working.
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This is a "just player" bug, use mpv.
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I also highly doubt that mpv fixes anything. It uses the same HW decoding than any other player for DV or if it uses the SW decoder the colors will not be correct. Here is the issue: https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/7326
You don't understand. DV _and_ hdr10 should work, but right now it's only DV and only with mpv and JP. The image is dark but not too dark as with hdr10. Just Player has a bug with black bars (it's not the aspect ratio because the image is cut on top and bottom.), not colors.
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You don't understand. DV _and_ hdr10 should work, but right now it's only DV and only with mpv and JP. The image is dark but not too dark as with hdr10. Just Player has a bug with black bars (it's not the aspect ratio because the image is cut on top and bottom.), not colors.
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I don't wan't so sound rude but mpv just does not support DV. IF mpv playes your DV files i would be highly interessted in those files. I can imagine that you have some hdr10 compatible DV files? These will play in mpv just like hdr10 files. You can check with mediainfo and look for the HDR format string. E.g Lotr DV BD would be :
Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, BL+EL+RPU, Blu-ray compatible / SM PTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible"
you can also see the mastering brightness here
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0050 cd/m2,m ax: 4000 cd/m2
Also the cropping for files happens on all DV files (that i could find). All of these players have in common that they use the HW decoding for DV and afaik there are no DV players which do not use HW
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These will play in mpv just like hdr10 files.
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Ok, it looks like you're right but results are still completely inconsistent.
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Mastering display luminance
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Maybe this is the problem. But I can't get this info in MI.
This sample has this mediainfo:
Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.05.06, BL+RPU
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JP plays it perfectly (or ok) without cropping problem and mpv has broken colors (so it really can't play DV).
Sample
Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.08.06, BL+RPU, HDR10 compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
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Just Player plays it perfectly but has the cropping problem. With mpv picture is completely broken and with VLC&MXP it's ok (not too dark).
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Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.08.06, BL+RPU, HDR10 compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
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JP has cropping&brightness problems, mpv doesn't. But it looks like mpv is using tone mapping (?) - if you pause the file in VLC and tilt the pad the image would be the same as in mpv.
IMO this is a limitation with the physical screen itself, the fact is pad 5 only had a peak brightness of around 500, 478 nits iirc. Trying to play HDR content on a 478 peak brightness screen is impossible without doing some sort down- "tone mapping" which if it does, it's not HDR anymore, just capable of displaying HDR video. (the S10 iirc has 1000 nits max brightness and can peak to 1200 when required on a short time, that;s why the dark part is clear there).
on a 478 nits screen, even if you crank the brightness as high as it could, the dark part of the video is probably too crammed together, thus you're seeing a crushed black on HDR videos, where the dark part actually blends into a blob instead of just being really dark with some sort of defining shape clarity. The only solution is to change the tone mapping to SDR (BT.709 color space) either by transcoding the video itself or use a player with a tone mapping function (which if exist only useful for video files and not streaming services).
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(the S10 iirc has 1000 nits max brightness and can peak to 1200 when required on a short time, that;s why the dark part is clear there).
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You talking about marketing numbers. Here is a test of S21 https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s21-review-2218p3.php 416 to 856 nits. https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pad_5-review-2317p3.php pad5 has 478 nits and they guessing there can be more "Unfortunately, there is no Sunlight Boost even if the settings page suggests that. Maybe it will be enabled with a future firmware update, maybe not. Still tablet can be much brighter when watching HDR content, of course,". Iirc there was a review with 500+ nits max test with this Boost.
And the question is why there is only one player that can show you decent results with dv&hdr10 but has a cropping bug? Why Xiaomi with these hardware specs marketing it as compatible when even their own player can't play this content with decent results?
Updated to miui13 and it looks like the cropping problem on Just Player is gone.
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You talking about marketing numbers. Here is a test of S21 https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s21-review-2218p3.php 416 to 856 nits. https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pad_5-review-2317p3.php pad5 has 478 nits and they guessing there can be more "Unfortunately, there is no Sunlight Boost even if the settings page suggests that. Maybe it will be enabled with a future firmware update, maybe not. Still tablet can be much brighter when watching HDR content, of course,". Iirc there was a review with 500+ nits max test with this Boost.
And the question is why there is only one player that can show you decent results with dv&hdr10 but has a cropping bug? Why Xiaomi with these hardware specs marketing it as compatible when even their own player can't play this content with decent results?
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I will refer to displaymate, while 400-800 nits are brightness in manual mode, when used in automatic brightness at high ambient light it could bring up to 900 nits for 50% apl, and 1200+ nits for 1% (which is probably where the 1300 nits marketing came from, while 1% APL is practically useless it's not entirely false either).
I did once owned an S10, and when you play HDR content, the screen will enter that automatic brightness mode, as it does becomes really-really bright, as if I was using it outdoor (high ambient light). So I would assume when comparing HDR vs HDR then the S10 probably should be assumed operated at 800-900 nits. Playing SDR content, you can't achieve the same brightness when playing HDR. I can't comment on s21 since i don't owned one, and can't tell if this automatic brightness thing still exist.
This is the same issue with HDR400, while by specification it is HDR, it sucks. And pad 5 being "Support Dolby Vision" is not equal to a brilliant dolby vision experience, it could be just technicalities that means that it could receive dolby Vision Input.
HDR10 contents usually are mastered at 1000-4000 nits, (I would assume DV is around that or bit higher). HDR TVs are usually only start to have good HDR experience from 600 nits or more, 1000 nits preferable. So I really can't complain if I don't get the same experience with seeing HDR10/DV on a 1000 nits TVs.
OTOH I do agree that there's also a software issues because the inconsistencies I've also experience, like when playing HDR content, even when i pump the brightness to full, it felt like it is not as bright as playing SDR at full brightness. And playing HDR10 in youtube is usually just fine (idk if youtube tone-mapped the HDR), only when playing hdr10 video files or streaming service like netflix/prime that the issue exist.
The only thing I wish it had is a turn off HDR switch or tone-mapping enable switch. Like most dark scene on netflix with DV are unviewable in this device, because it's way too dark, and I'd just rather see the SDR version.
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The only thing I wish it had is a turn off HDR switch or tone-mapping enable switch. Like most dark scene on netflix with DV are unviewable in this device, because it's way too dark, and I'd just rather see the SDR version
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Youtube app doesn't do tone mapping but you can manually set quality to SDR in the smartube app.
With files (or netflix), if it's too dark, you can set the color scheme to "standard" but the image would be low saturated or use built-in brightness&contrast settings in mpv (+10 both is good).
Tone mapping is an app feature not global, so until Netflix does something you can't do much. Only fake the hardware id/specs that it can't support HDR (idk if it's possible).
Just some more info on mpv with hdr (all for normal hdr, no DV):
Use this if you want to use the hardware decoding that normal player use (like the integrated video player):
vo=mediacodec_embed
hwdec=mediacodec
wid=(intptr_t)(*android.view.Surface)
this will directly use HW decoding and present the result on the screen.
Use the following if you want more details in dark scenes (i think this are the default settings):
hwdec=mediacodec-copy
gpu-context=android
I don't know exactly what mpv uses internally here but the main idea is to use the HW decoding, copy the image back to memory, do some post processing and present it on the screen
What i like to use:
hwdec=mediacodec-copy
gpu-context=android
hdr-compute-peak=yes
tone-mapping=hable
Mostly the same, but not as aggressive in my opinion (only personal preference).
more to read: https://mpv.io/manual/stable/#options-tone-mapping
I tried changing aspect ratios but it doesnt help/make the picture bigger
I saw a thread that someone recommended to use samsung internet video player but I am unable to play netflix
Any suggestions how to get the best out of content for the fold 4? I know you can pinch and zoom but it cuts out so much that might as well not watch as you miss so many details
Maybe somehow hack the custom res?
Thanks
mentalpositivity said:
I tried changing aspect ratios but it doesnt help/make the picture bigger
I saw a thread that someone recommended to use samsung internet video player but I am unable to play netflix
Any suggestions how to get the best out of content for the fold 4? I know you can pinch and zoom but it cuts out so much that might as well not watch as you miss so many details
Maybe somehow hack the custom res?
Thanks
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unfortunatly no. only way is zooming in which will eat half of the video. the aspect ration is a hige draw back for consuming media on fold series
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unfortunatly no. only way is zooming in which will eat half of the video. the aspect ration is a hige draw back for consuming media on fold series
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I hoped someone figured out a way to make it better besides cutting half the video to fill lol
And now you know how we felt in the early 2k's when 16:9 became a thing and we still had our 4:3 CRT's. Letterbox is annoying.
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And now you know how we felt in the early 2k's when 16:9 became a thing and we still had our 4:3 CRT's. Letterbox is annoying.
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yes, any workaround?
Not a lot you can do, making something that's 16:9 sit nicely on a 4:3 display has never been pretty, but if you enable flex panel mode on Netflix, and only use the top half of the display it fills that.
Other than that just ignore the black unused areas, still getting a decent size playback area after all, and oled, so black uses no energy...
Run Netflix in pop-up mode, make it fill the width of your screen and adjust the height to fit the image, then use the rest of your screen for another app
You really can't without making things worse IMHO.
It's like owning a 4:3 TV and using a pan/scan simulator so the screen is filled.
You just cut off too much!
You get used to the bars, I still prefer this format for everything else!
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You really can't without making things worse IMHO.
It's like owning a 4:3 TV and using a pan/scan simulator so the screen is filled.
You just cut off too much!
You get used to the bars, I still prefer this format for everything else!
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thanks a lot
To me, this could be simple to solve if the zoom/pinch have 2 or more levels because the single zoom level avalizable is just too much and results in a heavily cropped imagem, but, with intermediate zoom levels, one can control how much screen space is used to content and who much image is cropped out...
I've been watching all of my locally stored media files on an app called SVplayer. It has an option called "black bars outer lighting". This will fill in the black bars of your display, if the video does not match the aspect ratio of your device . This effect is most commonly used on social media and vertically shot videos that are shown on news broadcasts. I then zoom into the video about 25 to 30%. which makes the top and bottom lighting bars less apparent. In my opinion, this is the best compromise and is honestly the only reason why I ended up buying a Galaxy Fold 4. I couldn't enjoy videos with such prominent black bars on everything I watch.
Wiki page of the app and feature. https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Manual:Outer_lighting
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I've been watching all of my locally stored media files on an app called SVplayer. It has an option called "black bars outer lighting". This will fill in the black bars of your display, if the video does not match the aspect ratio of your device . This effect is most commonly used on social media and vertically shot videos that are shown on news broadcasts. I then zoom into the video about 25 to 30%. which makes the top and bottom lighting bars less apparent. In my opinion, this is the best compromise and is honestly the only reason why I ended up buying a Galaxy Fold 4. I couldn't enjoy videos with such prominent black bars on everything I watch.
Wiki page of the app and feature. https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Manual:Outer_lighting
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ye I dont have much locally stored video files, mostly youtube or streaming services or str8 from the browser