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Make an EVO 4G look like a 3g phone

I might be getting an EVO 4G as a warranty replacement for my hero and I live in Milwaukee, WI with no 4G service.
I need to know if anything on the evo goes out and says its a 4g phone other than imei/esn. If so what and can it be disabled or blocked?
Im sorry if this is way out of line. I just trying to gather information at this point.

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As soon as you turn it on, Sprint makes sure you know it's 4G.

Sorry guys just had to ask.

Kdragon75 said:
Ill be getting the phone from best buy as a black tie replacement if i break my Hero.
So ill get the phone unactivated and sprint wont know unless i tell them i got a new phone. I just need to know if the 4g radio can be completely disabled to make the phone look like a Hero (except for the imei/esn).
So IF some how i could "transplant" aforementioned numbers (is this possible? I don't think so) Sprint would think im still using a 3g phone like the hero...
There is no sense in paying a premium for something that I am not able to use.
If Milwaukee ever goes 4G I would like to undo and needed hacks/mods so that I can register for service at that time.
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not possible.

Methods of this kind are not allowed in these forums. Mods please close this thread.

Methods of this kind are not allowed in these forums. Mods please close this thread
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why?
There are multiple threads far more legally shady than this.

scev5 said:
why?
There are multiple threads far more legally shady than this.
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Lol, I was wondering the same thing.

nothing illegal about this thread, they just wont give u an EVO 4G as a warranty replacement, they will give you another hero.
the back cover says 4G, the bootscreen says 4G, the OS says 4G, what does it matter? If you dont have it you dont have it why do you need to hide it?

The premium charge is not because of 4G.
The charge is to remove the 5BG cap!
Enjoy the new plan of uncapped INTERNET on your phone! Cheers!

The premium charge is not because of 4G.
The charge is to remove the 5BG cap!
Enjoy the new plan of uncapped INTERNET on your phone! Cheers!
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AFAIK Data has never been capped

Not possible, the ESN is tied to the mainboard and its in sprints system.

robtrevino said:
AFAIK Data has never been capped
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yes it has, read the small print every god damn cell phone providers have caps on their unlimited data plans sprints has 5 gb's. If you went over you limit with sprint in the past, they did not complain to no one uses them so they don't call to ***** at their few subscibers

I'm not concerned with the esn. I would only want to disabled the 4g part of the phone. I don't want it to phone home and say I'm an evolution 4g give me 4g.
Ill talk to my stores sprint Rep to see if there's any ligit way around this required $10 fee.
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Kdragon75 said:
I'm not concerned with the esn. I would only want to disabled the 4g part of the phone. I don't want it to phone home and say I'm an evolution 4g give me 4g.
Ill talk to my stores sprint Rep to see if there's any ligit way around this required $10 fee.
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Good luck. If you take a look around the forums though, you'll see there have been plenty of people trying to get around the fee, & as far as i know, no one has been successful. If it goes any differently, let us know!

rhfoxdude24 said:
Methods of this kind are not allowed in these forums. Mods please close this thread.
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7 Posts and you're already policing the forums?
Someone asking if things are possible is very different than asking about changing an IMEI number.
Your IMEI number is how the carrier recognizes what phone you have. In theory... if you changed that to match your Hero's number then they'd think it was your hero. That is presuming you never turned on your 4G.
The only issue is that I believe it is illegal in the US to spoof your IMEI number. This is a measure taken to allow carriers to block stolen phones from their networks. Makes sense. More info on IMEI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Equipment_Identity
So sorry, you're going to be out of luck.
^^ And that's how you answer an OP's question, stay legal, and avoid being a ****.

(Q) can you use an evo on verizon?

Topic name pretty much sums up the question but would you be able to use an evo on verizon since they are both cdma
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No, not unless you can get Verizon to accept the esn.
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Nope....You can try using their PRL hack, but use it at your own risk.

Would verizon even accept it
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medion. said:
Would verizon even accept it
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Personally I don't know, you can always call a local store and ask.

medion. said:
Topic name pretty much sums up the question but would you be able to use an evo on verizon since they are both cdma
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I'm not going to say is impossible because as you can see everyday on here at XDA, ANYTHING is possible BUT is properly illegal because it will involve cloning the ESN from a Verizon phone onto the EVO because to tell you the truth, Verizon is NEVER going to allowed a Sprint phone on their network.....especially not one like the EVO! Your best bet is to trade your EVO for the Thunderbolt or something if you really have your mind set on the Verizon network.

this might sound dumb to some of you out there but, Why cant you just unlock the phn and go to one of the verizon authorized dealers (not a verizon store)and have them turn it on. its cdma and all they gotta do is enter the esn.
I know for fact some of those stores dont care what phn you use. they just want the $

hddwiper said:
this might sound dumb to some of you out there but, Why cant you just unlock the phn and go to one of the verizon authorized dealers (not a verizon store)and have them turn it on. its cdma and all they gotta do is enter the esn.
I know for fact some of those stores dont care what phn you use. they just want the $
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I believe that Verizon has the same basic policy as Sprint, which is that they don't accept phones that are not Verizon branded. It's not a question of finding a rep that "doesn't care"...the system won't accept an ESN that's not in the database of ESNs for their branded phones. That's how it works for Sprint, and though I had heard some rumblings a few years ago that Verizon would "open" their network to other devices, I don't think that actually happened. Could be wrong though.

medion. said:
Would verizon even accept it
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100% no. The person who does it will lose their job. On top of that the people who put in these requests to add ESN numbers to their database have all of their requests checked by the techs who actually have the power to do it. But once again they would lose their job.

Verizon was accepting them if you got the right rep who knew what they were doing, sprint had the touch pro like big red, but with more memory and headphones...people were buying that instead of verizon's..they put a stop to it.
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Serious questions about evo on other networks

Hi, i have seen evo work flawlessly on other networks and many guys on ebay and craiglist have been selling them. I have a few questions, i would appreciate if you guys can answer them as honestly as possible, coz i m considering getting one, but at the same time i dont want to land up in trouble. I will happily pay 20 bucks more a month than do something which is legally not accepted.
1. I hv seen phones which have their MEID registered in d databases of the other networks. Now my question is , is there anything wrong or illegal if people get the meid of evo registered onto the network by social engineering ?
2. Can you trust the craiglist/ebay guys, coz even if they get your meid registered, they will know your phone no and your meid, what if they mess with it later ? Can they misues the meid/no and if they do, who will be held responsible ?
3. What happens if later the network figures out by some means that the registered meid is not of their supported phones ? What action can they take ?
4. What challeges will i face if i need to transfer my number to a different handset or if i wish to port my number ? Will they block my number if they find that the meid is of an unsupported phone ?
5. Lastly, if i need to sell my phone, what do i do ? How do i get my number out of the phone and what all things need to be done.(sorry for my limited knowledge, i have very limited experience with cdma)
PS : I m only talking about where the phones meid is registered and not where the phone has been programed/cl*ned etc.
All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

techspark said:
Hi, i have seen evo work flawlessly on other networks and many guys on ebay and craiglist have been selling them. I have a few questions, i would appreciate if you guys can answer them as honestly as possible, coz i m considering getting one, but at the same time i dont want to land up in trouble. I will happily pay 20 bucks more a month than do something which is legally not accepted.
1. I hv seen phones which have their MEID registered in d databases of the other networks. Now my question is , is there anything wrong or illegal if people get the meid of evo registered onto the network by social engineering ?
2. Can you trust the craiglist/ebay guys, coz even if they get your meid registered, they will know your phone no and your meid, what if they mess with it later ? Can they misues the meid/no and if they do, who will be held responsible ?
3. What happens if later the network figures out by some means that the registered meid is not of their supported phones ? What action can they take ?
4. What challeges will i face if i need to transfer my number to a different handset or if i wish to port my number ? Will they block my number if they find that the meid is of an unsupported phone ?
5. Lastly, if i need to sell my phone, what do i do ? How do i get my number out of the phone and what all things need to be done.(sorry for my limited knowledge, i have very limited experience with cdma)
PS : I m only talking about where the phones meid is registered and not where the phone has been programed/cl*ned etc.
All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Simple answer to all questions. This would require MEID cloning which is illegal.

^^ As i mentioned, these are not cloned ones. They have the og meid of d evo registered onto the database by some means. No techie work has been done on the phone, the meid that is printed on the box, d same meid is shown under the settings.

tgruendler said:
Simple answer to all questions. This would require MEID cloning which is illegal.
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It's only illegal if you are cloning a phone that you do not own. It's like downloading an ISO. If you already own the cd you can download it as much as you want.
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This is still pretty shady.

Out of curiosity, what is the advantage of doing this? At least in the United States there are really only 2 big players that support CDMA networks -- Verizon and Sprint. Personally I think Sprint has some of the most reasonable pricing for their unlimited plans. I suppose you could use it on Cricket's network as well but why would you want to do that other than price?
I think the $69.99 price/month (I guess it's actually $79.99 after you tack on the $10 for 4G) is really fair. I previously had a 25% discount through my employer which made the final bill each month $70. I have since dropped my own line and switched to my parents' family plan. Now I only pay $30/month.

It's only illegal if you are cloning a phone that you do not own. It's like downloading an ISO. If you already own the cd you can download it as much as you want.
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True. I would like to know one thing, if i get the phone from ebay/craiglist and later that guy clones a different phone(which he owns) with the meid and no which is on my evo(since he would knw everything abt my phone) and if caught, who will be the one who will land up in trouble ??
Out of curiosity, what is the advantage of doing this?
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Price ! Boost - $50 unlimited. I am happy with gsm, i m just considering it at the moment, but i first need definite answers to all my questions before i take a step forward.

I don't think Boost uses GSM. I believe it's iDEN networks. But the Evo is a CDMA phone so I don't see how you could use it on a GSM or iDEN network. Maybe folks outside the US don't have this problem but certainly in the States I think you're tied to a CDMA network so your only options are Sprint, Verizon, or Cricket.

gamblor01 said:
I don't think Boost uses GSM. I believe it's iDEN networks. But the Evo is a CDMA phone so I don't see how you could use it on a GSM or iDEN network. Maybe folks outside the US don't have this problem but certainly in the States I think you're tied to a CDMA network so your only options are Sprint, Verizon, or Cricket.
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No no, i m sorry i didnt explain it well. Boost uses cdma. What i meant to say was, i m currently happy using gsm, i was considering switching to cdma, only if i get proper answers to questions i listed

That makes more sense. Boost must have migrated because I swear they used iDEN. Still -- I like my family plan option (which I realize may not be an option for you). Yes it has 1500 minutes/month but you only use minutes if you call a land line -- mobile to mobile calls are free. Can't beat $30/month for an Evo.
Whatever you choose, good luck.

They use both now but, I think they are migrating to an all cdma network since sprint is really doing away with the nextel network. They started using cdma in early 2010. But if you can get it on the network it will work. I would personally do it myself *google*.... and stay away from the shady people and make sure it is done right.

[Q] Bring Epic to Ting Mobile by swapping esn?

My wife and I use our phones more for the smart phone functions, and maybe use 300-500 minutes, 500 texts a month. The ting mobile plans would save us $1000 a year, the problem is that you have to buy phones straight from them.
According to the Ting support, some of their customers have gotten around this problem by purchasing one of their cheap phones, and then cloning the ESN to their better sprint / verizon phone. Ting encourages this, but I need to figure out how to do it.
Any ideas? Thanks!
I tried to post the link to the ting support staff statement, but apparently I haven't posted on XDA enough yet. So to find the forum post, just highlight this (including the quotation marks) and google it:
"Is it possible to activate ex-Verizon or ex-Sprint smartphone on Ting?"

This is possible I'm sorry I don't have a how to but I'm here to give you some encouragement. This has been done on numerous different wireless carriers so if you figure out how it would be as simple as 1,2,3...
I think flashing to alternative carriers doesn't differ so if you look at the how to flash boost mobile or cricket here on xda and ask them ill link them to ya
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1473141
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This is something i would like to know too been trying to find a way to get my GF att phone to work with Verizon but everything ive found says it cant be done because Verizon is CDMA and att is GSM and the 2 technologies arent compatible

Pretty sure you guys are going to get flamed for this discussion or worse.
Isn't messing with esn illegal?
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K3VlN said:
This is something i would like to know too been trying to find a way to get my GF att phone to work with Verizon but everything ive found says it cant be done because Verizon is CDMA and att is GSM and the 2 technologies arent compatible
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Yeah your not going to get anything working there two completly different radio frequecies there bud
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mjben said:
Pretty sure you guys are going to get flamed for this discussion or worse.
Isn't messing with esn illegal?
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Yes but this is flashing to an alternative carrier with an esn they have bought and paid for what your referring to is a ghost esn not esn swapping
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yeah thats what i gathered just trying to find out if there was a way to get around that with out taking the phone apart...i told her to just sell it on swappa i already rooted it so she should get a lil chunk of change for it

mjben said:
Pretty sure you guys are going to get flamed for this discussion or worse.
Isn't messing with esn illegal?
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Really man... you haven't seen the threads on how to do this for boost, virgin, and cricket? Those threads have been here since before I was a member... you're just not allowed to go into significant detail about it... as long as nobody explains how to do the esn switch you all should be alright... (btw there are TONS of guides on how to do this.... its basically the same for every carrier with minor changes here and there...) not hard to do and takes less than 20 minutes once you get it down... also if you would rather metro pcs or have one in your area most of their stores have a rep there that will do this for you... just don't pay them until they get data working!!!!
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Biggoron said:
Yes but this is flashing to an alternative carrier with an esn they have bought and paid for what your referring to is a ghost esn not esn swapping
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Ah, OK. Thanks for the clarity. I've seen other folks threads get quite beaten up over that sort of thing.
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Should have no problem flashing the phone as long as both phones are cdma phones. Might be difficult getting mobile data and MMS working though. I am running an epic on virgin mobile and everything works except mms. I have gotten mms to send just can't receive it. As for the legality I made sure to zero out the esn on my old phone so both cant be active at same time. Might be a good idea to avoid the risk of being banned.
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Thanks everybody!

Entirely Possible
Yes, a Sprint phone on Ting would be easy to do. In your case, the Epic 4G phone by Samsung is incredibly easy to change the ESN on. All Samsung phones are really... especially on Verizon as their SPC codes are 000000. The standard Samsung SPC code unlock password though should work on Sprint Samsung phones. Google around for it.
The problem with all of this though is that you'll have to purchase a Ting phone in the first place. Now maybe you could purchase the feature phone that they have available and use that ESN, but using hundreds of megabytes on an ESN that is supposed to be a feature phone might be suspect in Ting's system. I'm not sure they would care though, but you would stick out like a sore thumb. Buying one of their smart phones seems to defeat the purpose of doing this as you would be left with a unusable smartphone that is probably better than your Epic 4G in the first place. You could take your Epic 4G to Boost. I admit, Ting rocks especially for more than one phone on a plan, but Boost isn't bad.
Don't go to Virgin Mobile. It is the same network as Sprint and Boost, but getting the phone on VM is difficult. You need the A-logins and Passwords that are difficult to get if you don't know what you are doing. Also, VM seems to more actively police their network for this type of use and if you don't have everything exactly copied from the donor phone you'll be noticed. No one really is sure what all needs to be copied over and after about 3 months or so the phone is usually noticed. It is kinda a mystery. I noticed that a person above said he has a phone on VM from another carrier. Might want to inquire with him though he said that he had several phones so maybe the little use of the VM phone is enabling him to skirt under the radar.
For the person looking for AT&T on Verizon... as already mentioned... not possible. I would look into using Red Pocket for AT&T's MVNO. You could also go to Simple Mobile, but would not get 3G data.
Let me know of anyone else has any questions...

AerieAngel said:
Yes, a Sprint phone on Ting would be easy to do. In your case, the Epic 4G phone by Samsung is incredibly easy to change the ESN on. All Samsung phones are really... especially on Verizon as their SPC codes are 000000. The standard Samsung SPC code unlock password though should work on Sprint Samsung phones. Google around for it.
The problem with all of this though is that you'll have to purchase a Ting phone in the first place. Now maybe you could purchase the feature phone that they have available and use that ESN, but using hundreds of megabytes on an ESN that is supposed to be a feature phone might be suspect in Ting's system. I'm not sure they would care though, but you would stick out like a sore thumb. Buying one of their smart phones seems to defeat the purpose of doing this as you would be left with a unusable smartphone that is probably better than your Epic 4G in the first place. You could take your Epic 4G to Boost. I admit, Ting rocks especially for more than one phone on a plan, but Boost isn't bad.
Don't go to Virgin Mobile. It is the same network as Sprint and Boost, but getting the phone on VM is difficult. You need the A-logins and Passwords that are difficult to get if you don't know what you are doing. Also, VM seems to more actively police their network for this type of use and if you don't have everything exactly copied from the donor phone you'll be noticed. No one really is sure what all needs to be copied over and after about 3 months or so the phone is usually noticed. It is kinda a mystery. I noticed that a person above said he has a phone on VM from another carrier. Might want to inquire with him though he said that he had several phones so maybe the little use of the VM phone is enabling him to skirt under the radar.
For the person looking for AT&T on Verizon... as already mentioned... not possible. I would look into using Red Pocket for AT&T's MVNO. You could also go to Simple Mobile, but would not get 3G data.
Let me know of anyone else has any questions...
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Virgin Mobile isn't hard to do.. I wrote up the guide for us, the only ones having issues are the few who don't use the phone written on the guide, and many who do not bother reading the guide. I have heard boost is actually more tedious.
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[Q] De-activaite the EVO from a network?

Hi Crew,
Well its time to say good bye to the trusty EVO as a daily driver.. so much I love about this phone..
Anyways.. on to the G.S3 team now..
The question is.. I have had this registered to a 4g CDMA account here in China - China Telecom.. so I have the number and the simcard..
and I know a few years ago when i got the phone I had to pay someone to set it the the network for me.. now I want to pop the same number simcard into the S3 and get it going..
My first thought was.. turn off the EVO.. so its not on the network.. pop the Simcard (which was never used due to the EVO not using simcards)
in to the S3 and it should just pick up where the EVO left off.. Humm.. not the case... its not letting me register the S3 phone in to the network..
So I am wondering what do I have to do to get this working?
of course the simple answer is to just kill the number and get a new one.. but not so simple here.. as i want to keep the number.. (also the company pays the bills on it.. so I dont want to disrupt that in the accounting department.. ..)
As a thought.. If I just get the China telecom to register a new simcard with the same number.. would that work?
Anyone with knowledge on this type of thing can chime in before I go and bang my head on the China telecom counter as for sure they are going to look at me like I am stupid..

dgcruzing said:
Hi Crew,
Well its time to say good bye to the trusty EVO as a daily driver.. so much I love about this phone..
Anyways.. on to the G.S3 team now..
The question is.. I have had this registered to a 4g CDMA account here in China - China Telecom.. so I have the number and the simcard..
and I know a few years ago when i got the phone I had to pay someone to set it the the network for me.. now I want to pop the same number simcard into the S3 and get it going..
My first thought was.. turn off the EVO.. so its not on the network.. pop the Simcard (which was never used due to the EVO not using simcards)
in to the S3 and it should just pick up where the EVO left off.. Humm.. not the case... its not letting me register the S3 phone in to the network..
So I am wondering what do I have to do to get this working?
of course the simple answer is to just kill the number and get a new one.. but not so simple here.. as i want to keep the number.. (also the company pays the bills on it.. so I dont want to disrupt that in the accounting department.. ..)
As a thought.. If I just get the China telecom to register a new simcard with the same number.. would that work?
Anyone with knowledge on this type of thing can chime in before I go and bang my head on the China telecom counter as for sure they are going to look at me like I am stupid..
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You should be able to get a new simcard with the same #, I had to do it twice on ATT. What network is your sgs3 branded to? Is it unlocked? Same questions for the EVO.
Why did you have a sim card in the EVO if it wasn't doing anything. I have unlocked plenty if gsm phones on networks in America but haven't done it on cdma networks.

bilgerryan said:
You should be able to get a new simcard with the same #, I had to do it twice on ATT. What network is your sgs3 branded to? Is it unlocked? Same questions for the EVO.
Why did you have a sim card in the EVO if it wasn't doing anything. I have unlocked plenty if gsm phones on networks in America but haven't done it on cdma networks.
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BG.
Thanks for the confirmation.. I was thinking that this was the case..
Actually to answer your questions..
I never used the simcard in this evo. When I got the number they gave it to me..as I think if I remember correctly there are codes attached to it that have to be hard programmed into the evo..
I know this as I picked one up off a friend here..it was modded to accept a simcard..I took it to Philippines to give to a sweet young lady..unfortunately it was also not just a matter of slipping in the simcard and away you went..
Anyway as to my little drama..I will be into China telecom in the next few days to get a new Sim...
As to the sgs3..yes its a unlocked international version..brought in the Philippines..I have it working on a standard GSM sim at moment..
As we know..internet speeds are somewhat different between 3g and GSM networks..
I have used the 3g on the evo all over china the last few years..its been great for road trips to tether..
As its been fast enough to stream radio, music from my home NAS and even movies..data plans are inexpensive so I have a sizable amount of gigs to play with each month..
I was just back in my home country of Australia and I feel for them..telecoms there are ripping the public off with the rates they impose.. no wonder they don't stand a chance to be competitive in development compared to Asian countries.. i.e.. Korea, China.. as if you lower the entry barrier for users they will use and people will develop..but I am going off topic somewhat here..
Once again..thanks for the input.
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