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Hey guys First post. and i wanted it to be good so here we go. I was looking around on some sites to see if there is any new word on the release date or anything, cause my phone is really outdated. So i stopped by Wmexperts.com and reading some HTC stuff, and came across an article(end) and it said that US Cellular shows rebates and stuff for the Touch Pro 2. Well, only 4 passed the FCC, and thats one sprint verizon tmobile and a ______. Well would this be true if it shows rebates, will AT&T ever get the TP2?
http://www.wmexperts.com/touch-pro-2-snap-headed-us-cellular
Colin I can't see at&t being the only carrier not to have the TP2.
Anyways, here's a post that shows an at&t variant of the TP2 clearing the FCC: http://www.wmexperts.com/touch-pro-2-att-passes-fcc .
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Colin I can't see at&t being the only carrier not to have the TP2.
Anyways, here's a post that shows an at&t variant of the TP2 clearing the FCC: http://www.wmexperts.com/touch-pro-2-att-passes-fcc .
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Just because ATT clears FCC with this phone doesn't mean it'll happen... If memory serves me right, ATT had the Samsung i900 cleared to go last year, also, and that didn't happen
But not saying the TP2 won't happen, either...
ok, i have seen these posts before, but did the FCC say that that specific one would be AT&T's model to be sold on the shelfs?
it doesn't make any sense that ATT would miss out on the TP2. we shouldn't look into this too much. ATT will be getting their variant of the TP2. we just need to be patient [:
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Colin I can't see at&t being the only carrier not to have the TP2.
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really? I can. They are the only ones getting the new iphone and with all their sights set on it, i wouldn't be surprised at all if they ignored the Touch Pro completely. Give how many iPhone users their are, and how many would jump on the upgrade, id say they dont see the TP2 as much of a thing to bother with, while the other carriers Need it just to compete with the iPhone.
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really? I can. They are the only ones getting the new iphone and with all their sights set on it, i wouldn't be surprised at all if they ignored the Touch Pro completely. Give how many iPhone users their are, and how many would jump on the upgrade, id say they dont see the TP2 as much of a thing to bother with, while the other carriers Need it just to compete with the iPhone.
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for most AT&T customers on these forums, I hope you are wrong lyian...
in my eyes, the TP2 will completely overshadow the iPhone, regardless of how fast the 3GS is.
and, knowing ATT, they would be remiss if they didn't pick up the TP2. I mean cmon, they could make much more money with both the TP2 and the iPhone on their store shelves.
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for most AT&T customers on these forums, I hope you are wrong lyian...
in my eyes, the TP2 will completely overshadow the iPhone, regardless of how fast the 3GS is.
and, knowing ATT, they would be remiss if they didn't pick up the TP2. I mean cmon, they could make much more money with both the TP2 and the iPhone on their store shelves.
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Oh i hope im wrong too, but its hard for me to think i can be. But understand all this that ive said is only from my perspective. I live in a college town, and i swear if i had a dollar for every iPhone i saw on campus every single day id be a very rich man. Two of my friends alone have them and they arnt students! iPhones are Every dam where over here. So for atleast the ATT stores here, the iPhone is king, much as i hate that idea.
I will say tho, that when i went into best buy to get a charger, i showed the cellphone guy my phone and he was like "ah HTC, yea, they're about the only phones worth running Windows Mobile on these days" hehe i just smiled
Remember the rumor involving the Barium? Hmm.... I would get the more featured OmniaPro before an ATT phone that doesn't tilt, even w/o 3G!
I have to agree with Lyian on this one. At my college some students doing a statistics project about cell phones found out that over 61% of the campus was using some sort of iPhone (2G-3G) and that another 20% or so were using a LG envy of some sort. I found this to not so surprising. I myself am using the iPhone (I know I know). I gave up on my old HTC 8525 due to the sluggishness of windows mobile. But now that I see the overhaul HTC has done with their Touch Interface, I really want one bad.
I popped into the ATT Shop yesterday and asked all the clerks and even asked to speak to the manager if they had any word on the HTC Touch Pro 2 or code-name ATT Fortress and they hadn't the slightest idea what I was talking about. Instead they kept showing me over to the iPhone 3G S and trying to get me to buy that instead (I told them I was looking to upgrade)
With ATT having the iPhone (and just getting the 3G S) they really is no need for them to push this phone out anytime soon. Maybe the 'changes' they will make to the phone will be there as to not overshadow their signature phone
Maybe I should just get the 2G TP2...
but they have released both the tilt and fuze; both of which were released along side the iphone. why would they stop now? i really believe that at&t markets these phones to two completely different markets; the fun young crowd (iphone) and the more business oriented customers (touch pro2). at&t has released an updated htc device every october/november. i dont see this being any different.
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two reasons.
1. With each iPhone release, the sale of that model phone has been better than the last. Im sure the 3gs will outsell the 3g. At first they were all about the HTC phones, then the iPhone came out, and while they may have been holding on to the HTC phones as a 'just in case', they likely feel pretty secure in their sales of the iPhone and dont have to worry about it not being a good seller.
2. Apple is making more business like apps available to try to merge into that selling market as well. Now they arnt nearly as flexible as something on a Winmo(especially with the limited interface of the iPhone) but thats not the point, and i doubt ATT cares much.
I bet if you look at the HTC phones vs the iPhone sales, their would be a major difference. Perhaps they so much more potential profit from the 3gs release, that they don't see a need to bother with the Pro2
But who knows.. All any of us can do is wait and see what ATT ends up doing.
But I don't understand why at&t would care? Either way they're making money, the data plan is the same price, why not offer both and give more options to their customers? makes no sense for them not to carry it, and I'm almost sure they will carry it. However its probably not gonna hit till october...
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two reasons.
1. With each iPhone release, the sale of that model phone has been better than the last. Im sure the 3gs will outsell the 3g. At first they were all about the HTC phones, then the iPhone came out, and while they may have been holding on to the HTC phones as a 'just in case', they likely feel pretty secure in their sales of the iPhone and dont have to worry about it not being a good seller.
2. Apple is making more business like apps available to try to merge into that selling market as well. Now they arnt nearly as flexible as something on a Winmo(especially with the limited interface of the iPhone) but thats not the point, and i doubt ATT cares much.
I bet if you look at the HTC phones vs the iPhone sales, their would be a major difference. Perhaps they so much more potential profit from the 3gs release, that they don't see a need to bother with the Pro2
But who knows.. All any of us can do is wait and see what ATT ends up doing.
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At least two people from xda have seen it, so I don't think this thread is meaningful anymore.
Besides, the assumption made is questionable, since U.S. Cellular is on CDMA, not GSM
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But I don't understand why at&t would care? Either way they're making money, the data plan is the same price, why not offer both and give more options to their customers? makes no sense for them not to carry it, and I'm almost sure they will carry it. However its probably not gonna hit till october...
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well, they have to buy the phones from HTC.. and if they dont sell, then they lost money...
Is there a CDMA hardspl? Can Verizon phones be flashed?
These phones are now just being released to Carriers
Verizon has the phone for $199
Sprint / ATT are expected to charge $299
Because I am a noob and had a tilt previously CDMA vs GSM wasn't an issue, my 2 year contract expires in a few days.
Will ROMS be cross compatible or GSM only or CDMA only?
Anyone have experience with differences in internet speeds?
Im a UK GSM user. Heres what i can tell you off hand.
Check the Rhodium CDMA forum to see if there is a HardSPL (I dont think so, yet)
$100 dollars is a lot of monies
Not cross compatible, dont do it. Dont think about it, im sure bad things happen.
No idea about internet speeds.
Me personally? GSM Model, $100 is a lot but there are far more GSM users on XDA devs therefore far more things to play about with. This phone is a toy for me, i dont need it but it occupies me. You chose!
Actually $349.99 for Sprint and T-Mobile
AT&T not listed as of yet, I will try to barter it for $199 when it comes out
Verizon actually looks very nice, but knowing them they usually block alot of stuff on their device or charge extra for things that should be free...
ATT is the way to go for me atleast...you get a wider support if its a gsm phone vs. cdma
The reason why verizon's TP2 is cheaper is because they require you to have a data plan for as long as you own the phone. the data plan is $29.99 a month. Thats $360 extra a year. I dont think spring requires a data plan which is why theirs is more expensive.
Verizon & Sprint = CDMA & GSM (first world phone for them cept BB an Nextel) Uses MSA 7601 Chip (Sprint's add on Data is 15 bucks WIN WIN with Sprint)
AT&T = GSM only and poor expensive data Network - Use's MSA7200 Chip < FAIL!
bimori said:
The reason why verizon's TP2 is cheaper is because they require you to have a data plan for as long as you own the phone. the data plan is $29.99 a month. Thats $360 extra a year. I dont think spring requires a data plan which is why theirs is more expensive.
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Sorry, but Sprint also charges you for a data plan for as long as you have the phone. However, I'm not sure whether they lock you into it for the duration of the contract or not, but who gets a smartphone without data these days?
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AT&T = GSM only and poor expensive data Network - Use's MSA7200 Chip < FAIL!
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The AT&T network is consistently the fastest. It only lags slightly behind Verizon in coverage, too.
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Verizon & Sprint = CDMA & GSM (first world phone for them cept BB an Nextel) Uses MSA 7601 Chip (Sprint's add on Data is 15 bucks WIN WIN with Sprint)
AT&T = GSM only and poor expensive data Network - Use's MSA7200 Chip < FAIL!
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I know I should research this but do you know the differences between both chips. I am sure people on this thread are interested as well. Any clock speed differences or is it just the carrier hermaphrodite ability?
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The AT&T network is consistently the fastest. It only lags slightly behind Verizon in coverage, too.
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I'm gonna have to seriously disagree with this. This only applies in big cities. Verizon has better overall coverage and better broadband coverage. At&t also has HORRID customer service. Before At&t took over I would've agreed with this but At&t screwed everything up.
On the note of the one i would buy I would buy the Verizon or Sprint one based on the messed up keyboard design that at&t continues to go with.
I dont know about horrid customer service, It can be bad at times, but I had a tilt and warranty exchanged it twice and got a fuse. I think playing dumb with att will get you where you want to go and more info than you were looking for, Data coverage always varies upon where you live, I have lived in the sticks of upper michigan for a while now, NO 3G but never a dropped call and I mean never When I was in a bigger city with my fuse my data speeds were impressive but every time I went ut of range of a tower and conected to another it dropped my call, which is utter bull. So If your looking to buy a phone check out the internal specs on the device, see what can be unlocked and flashed to your liking and look at the device to see if it is aesthetically pleasing to your eye not someone elses, if you like the way it looks and what its got in it buy it. But just from my point of view dont buy CDMA having a sim card rocks you can put it into any phone and bam! new phone! Well any compatible phone but there are a lot of them. CDMA phones are a carriers way of shoving a cactus up you a** and telling you to like it.
7600 vs 7601
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I know I should research this but do you know the differences between both chips. I am sure people on this thread are interested as well. Any clock speed differences or is it just the carrier hermaphrodite ability?
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Former Qualcommer here, and was involved in this, at least from the finance perspective.
The chips are identical in function. The only difference between the two of them were that the 7601 chips had a power save function disabled to be in compliance with a broadcom ruling on the 686 patent infringement case. This has long since been settled and the two companies are at peace with each other. It was only an issue for chips being imported into the USA from Singapore.
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Former Qualcommer here, and was involved in this, at least from the finance perspective.
The chips are identical in function. The only difference between the two of them were that the 7601 chips had a power save function disabled to be in compliance with a broadcom ruling on the 686 patent infringement case. This has long since been settled and the two companies are at peace with each other. It was only an issue for chips being imported into the USA from Singapore.
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Thank you for the clarification.
I havent seen anyone respond about the Verizon version TP2 being crippled so I will. It IS NOT for the first time, everything is the same as the others except the Verizon version is much sexier
stanglifemike said:
I havent seen anyone respond about the Verizon version TP2 being crippled so I will. It IS NOT for the first time, everything is the same as the others except the Verizon version is much sexier
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THANK YOU!!! I'm considering the leap to Verizon. I would definitely like to know what you think of the device. What the removal of the ctrl key to add another message key. I really thought that was dumb...
Dont forget that if you have AT&T's family plan, you can ditch the data plan for the TP2 and add medianet for the dumb phone for $15 then swap SIM chip. Now you have TP2 with unlimited data plan for only $15.
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THANK YOU!!! I'm considering the leap to Verizon. I would definitely like to know what you think of the device. What the removal of the ctrl key to add another message key. I really thought that was dumb...
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Absolutely wonderful!! The screen on this thing is simply beautiful, and the speed and smoothness of TF3D is quite an improvement of the TP. Overall, the BEST ppc that I have laid eyes on and I enjoy using it everytime I pick it up....enjoy looking at it too. I highly reccomend it!!
how do we even know if weve got the CDMA or GSM version .. ??
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Absolutely wonderful!! The screen on this thing is simply beautiful, and the speed and smoothness of TF3D is quite an improvement of the TP. Overall, the BEST ppc that I have laid eyes on and I enjoy using it everytime I pick it up....enjoy looking at it too. I highly reccomend it!!
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Hmmm I was expecting a comparison to the WWE edition. The comparisons to the TP is what i already know but thanks. I had the TP and the Xperia and no doubt that the TP2 is by far better than those two. It is the greatest winmo device i've ever used and it had the best stock rom i've ever used as well. Thats why i'm thinking about making the switch to cdma. I like to be able to change phones as much as I want thats why i stuck with At&t.
well I'm sure you know about the GSM capabilities and the Verizon sim card already installed in the phone
I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
Hey I feel your pain I am still using the Hermes from 3 years ago. I really want this phone but I can't do Sprint (Not enough custom ROM's etc) and Verizon well they just totally suck!! T-mobile is an option but coverage isn't that great here and there is no 3G and I have heard the sound volume is sucky on that one for some reason.
So I am stuck for now. As far as the whole 6.5 thing it really doesn't matter to me because I would just be using a custom ROM from here anyway but I really have no choice but to wait
While the Leo looks bad as hell I think its the first time I have actually thought hmmm maybe that phone is just too damn big for me lol
They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?
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Verizon well they just totally suck!! T
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Why do you say that?
californiarailroader said:
Why do you say that?
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Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.
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Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.
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They used to do those things, that's true, but no more, all their smartphones (and regular phones) come with all features (like GPS, Bluetooth OBEX, etc.) intact and ready for use. They have also released ROM updates for many devices, like the original Touch Pro and Omnia that unlock the GPS on them. They said they'd do it, and they did, I am surprised but pretty happy they have
Thats probably true but at this point its the principle of the matter because I have way too many options in my area. Besides they are also the most expensive.
We've got 5 carriers, AT&T (formerly Edge Wireless here, an AT&T affiliate), Verizon, US Cellular, Metro PCS and as of this summer/fall, T-Mobile, who is just building out in our area. In terms of actual coverage, it goes like this-
1.US Cellular
2.Verizon
3.AT&T
4.Metro PCS
5.T-Mobile (they are just building out, hence the low rating).
Sprint and Nextel have licenses to serve our area as well, but have never built out a network here. Sprint roams on US Cellular, and Nextel phones are just dead paperweights.
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They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?
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Oh it's obvious that they don't give a crap about it. My problem is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. "We don't give a crap about Windows Mobile users and we'll release the phones we're going to whenever we darn well please, but we want to be sure that HTC doesn't give people the opportunity to buy it before we make it available."
The fact that they keep the manufacturer from releasing an unlocked version that will work here is criminal. It's almost a cellular monopoly but in the sense that the carriers have gotten together as a team in an effort to remove choice from the consumer. They can claim all they want that you can still buy one from the manufacturer but that's like saying you can only buy a Porsche in the US from a Porsche dealer. If you order one from overseas, not only will you pay significantly more, we're also going to replace the engine with one from a 1987 Ford Escort.
Why can't we just buy the phone we want from whoever we choose and let that be that. I still have to pay for service any way you cut it. They can't be making THAT much money of the device itself anyway!
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Who's with me
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Not me.
I'm cruising along just fine on my Kaiser till AT&T gets the Tilt 2 like they want it.
Everything I've read leads me to believe it's a great device and worth the wait. If I get 2 years out of a Tilt 2 like I have my Tilt 1, it's all good.
I'm with you. Hopefully I'll be saying byebye to AT&T today...Once my TP2 arrives..
I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.
While I'm certainly not enjoying the wait to upgrade my 8525, I don't really see the issue with them waiting for WinMo 6.5. Sucks for me, but then I know the carrier is going to fully support it. Are all the other carriers going to have 6.5 upgrades ready and waiting on Oct 6th?
Also I feel like I'm in the minority, but my experience with AT&T has been great. Their 3G coverage in my area is fantastic. I'm not a big fan of AT&T as a company, but I have a hard time arguing with the service I receive.
My first post.
I've been waiting on ATT for what seems like forever. Think I'm going over to Sprint in a week or two so I can try out both the TP2 and the Hero then decide which one I want. Not to mention the monthly cost will be significantly reduced compared to ATT.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.
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I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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I'm way ahead of you. I left AT&T 3 weeks ago for the TMo TP2.
argoldst said:
I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.
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Let's see, you don't have a TP2, don't even have an HTC phone, and are advocating that all of us also refuse to buy HTC altogether so WTF are you doing here in a forum dedicated primarily to HTC phones? It seems to me that if you really were serious about your little boycott you would put your money where your mouth is and "take your business elsewhere."
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My first post.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.
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I highly doubt it.
i think the main reason att hasnt released the touch pro 2 is that their network isnt ready to handle all the data the will be running on those devices, they have already alot of activity from the 3gs , also they are waiting to release it with windows 6.5 so that will be a plus because it will be definite that it will be fully supported, just my .02
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I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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Ditto, Verizon (coverage and unlocked GSM sim card), sprint if they have good coverage in your area (4G),
I would have jumped ship if not for the fact that it would cost me a minimum of $30/month more on any other carrier compared to my grandfathered plan.
So in the meantime my Tilt is enough to keep me going, though my patience is very thin at this point. I just want to know a release date (price too would be nice). That would at least make the waiting more bearable knowing when it would end.
Leave AT&T cause they release a phone 2 months after others? Doubly a solid reason.
I like AT&T, I like their prices (I pay $20 for unlim internet, + $70 for 2 phones (700 mins)). Plus their rollover feature is cool, I got like 4.8K minutes accumulated (way too much I know).
Plus their customer service is awesome, they've repeatedly forgiven me $200-$300 on my account when I went way out of limit (about 4 years ago). My friend with Verizon was so jealous.
Just hang tight, AT&T's tilt 2 will be out in Nov '09.
we've all seen the GSM WP7 phones made for ATT... but no TMo luv?
has TMo gone completely to the droid side? i know they have a HTC one for Droid out in the fall w/keyb... but no WP7 love from Tmo?
I don't see why they wouldn't get a phone from someone for the release. They still were the only ones to get the HD2 and such in the US.
its been rumored they're getting the dell lightning.
and the htc mozart
I'd say the odds are >95%. We've seent he mozart/shubert leaks with the release date on the leaked roadmap. WP7 sure seems like it's headed for all 4 carriers. AT&T claiming to be the premier carrier just seems like a lame cry because they are losing iPhone exclusivity.
At this point seeing the launch hardware I say T-Mo (US at least) and other US carriers wont get more than 1 device and that will be in the back of the store while they steer people to their android handsets.
So far zero WP7 phones have been noticed going through the FCC with tmo's bands. All of the phones that have been actually photographed are ATT phones.
So right now it's looking bad.
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I'd say the odds are >95%. We've seent he mozart/shubert leaks with the release date on the leaked roadmap. WP7 sure seems like it's headed for all 4 carriers. AT&T claiming to be the premier carrier just seems like a lame cry because they are losing iPhone exclusivity.
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according to sprint they are not planning on carrying wp7 anytime soon.
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At this point seeing the launch hardware I say T-Mo (US at least) and other US carriers wont get more than 1 device and that will be in the back of the store while they steer people to their android handsets.
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android is the hot seller for sprint, verizon & t-mobile.
im jus hoping verizon gets one im eligible to upgrade right now and im looking to get one of these wp7 phones
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im jus hoping verizon gets one im eligible to upgrade right now and im looking to get one of these wp7 phones
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i don't think they are coming at all this year. maybe next year perhaps? i do know sprint & verizon are hell bent on android right now. plus verizon is strongly rumored to get the iphone in january, i don't think they will give two ****s about wp7. the only windows phone t-mobile currently carries is the hd2 and with the g2 just announced, well you see what direction they are heading. winmo was never a huge seller for these carriers in the first place. mostly business & corporate gurus used them.
As long as the Dell Lightning is released as rumoured in an AWS compatible version I will be happy, I prefer to buy unlocked anyway, carrier lockin doesnt work for me.
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As long as the Dell Lightning is released as rumoured in an AWS compatible version I will be happy, I prefer to buy unlocked anyway, carrier lockin doesnt work for me.
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that's 'IF' these phones can be unlocked at all?
JediFonger said:
we've all seen the GSM WP7 phones made for ATT... but no TMo luv?
has TMo gone completely to the droid side? i know they have a HTC one for Droid out in the fall w/keyb... but no WP7 love from Tmo?
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There was an interview with a tmo big wig thats said pretty much that. Hopefully they have sold enough tp2 & hd2s to realize wm is not completely dead. Im in no rush for wp7 os but I would like an wp7 hardware for a tp3 with wm6.
markus_del_marko said:
i don't think they will give two ****s about wp7.
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You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about...
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You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about...
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actually yes i do, i personally know several corporate gurus with sprint & verizon. they have no plans on a wp7 device this year. i heard the only carrier so far is at&t and i think their getting it because they are loosing the iphone exclusivity to verison early next year. you don't believe me, do some google searching. the customer base right now wants android & iphone, not winmo.
the so called "we want wp7" petitions they have right now are very, very small in fan base. palm & blackberry will fall off the radar soon too if these companies do not step up to the plate. i work on phones & 95% of those phones i service or unlock are droids. two years ago winmo had a larger fan base, most devs have moved to android.
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There was an interview with a tmo big wig thats said pretty much that. Hopefully they have sold enough tp2 & hd2s to realize wm is not completely dead. Im in no rush for wp7 os but I would like an wp7 hardware for a tp3 with wm6.
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and t-mobile is smart in doing soo. i hope at&t jumps on the droid bandwagon too. droid is the hot seller right now, that's until something else comes along better and i don't think wp7 is that device.
the t-mobile g2 that was just announced will be solid.
markus_del_marko said:
actually yes i do, i personally know several corporate gurus with sprint & verizon. they have no plans on a wp7 device this year. i heard the only carrier so far is at&t and i think their getting it because they are loosing the iphone exclusivity to verison early next year. you don't believe me, do some google searching. the customer base right now wants android & iphone, not winmo.
the so called "we want wp7" petitions they have right now are very, very small in fan base. palm & blackberry will fall off the radar soon too if these companies do not step up soon. i work on phones man, 95% of the phones i service or unlock are droids. two years ago winmo had a larger fan base, most devs and creators moved to android.
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and t-mobile is smart in doing soo. i hope at&t jumps on the droid bandwagon too. droid is the hot seller right now, that's until something else comes along better and i don't think wp7 is that device.
the t-mobile g2 that was just announced will be a solid device.
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What you're saying is correct for right now, but what you don't seem to understand is the fact that WP7 is not even out on the market yet. It's not a finished product, whereas, Android and IOS are already out on the market
and they have an established consumer base. Obviously, the Cellphone giants are going to invest their money into the proven product (just like you keep saying over and over again...) but that DOESN'T mean that WP7 is a "terrible" product, it only means that it hasn't been given a chance to prove its worth. Give WP7 6-12 months, and you'll see that your assumptions about the product were ignorant and premature. As far as AT&T goes, the loss of Iphone exclusive rights might have something to do with their huge investment in WP7. However, it also has to do with the fact that they are giving Microsoft a chance because they know that there is a consumer base for their product, and that they have the potential to take over a great amount of the market. Pessimists like yourself just want to stick to what they feel safe with and won't acknowledge that there may be better devices out there other than a non-customizable glitter phone for conformed snobs who think whatever is in demand is what they should buy, and a search engine phone, whose company thinks it's high-tech just because it calls it's phone's UI Android but still can't get rid of it's touchscreen lagging after 2 years on the market... Get a grip mate and stop writing ridiculous comments about a product that you have "researched" through some fanboy blog that you found through google, and that you're not qualified enough to own at this point, much less give advice about...
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that's 'IF' these phones can be unlocked at all?
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There's absolutely no reason why there wont be unlocked versions sold, only in the US is locking people into carriers popular AND so easy, in Europe you walk into a store and buy the phone you want, unlocked and insert your SIM card. Same will be true for WP7 phones.
I don't see why Sprint/Verizon don't get one when they are labeled as Launch Partners with Microsoft. Unless they pulled out for some stupid reason, why in the hell would they not get the phone since they have little to do on their end to support it? HTC makes the phones, Microsoft standardized setup, and people that do not want Android/iPhone/BB/crap phone, will buy it. Sure its an investment but you really think Sprint will not get a 4G version and push it? Sprint does have some good Android stuff, but they do not have the "Droid" market like Verizon and I believe it would be wise to get some 4G WP7 devices and really market around them. It would be stupid not to.
So we already have a thread on T-Mo. Anyone have any in's on the true story of Sprint phones? will we have anything on release day?
My contract expired back in may and I've been biding my time waiting to see WP7...really want to make sure it will be worth my wait, and that Sprint doesn't delay and has quality phones.
Highly doubt you will see any CDMA phones this year.
Just check FCC
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Not to come accross as rude, but is this based on anything, or just guess work on your part?
We didn't know about some of the phones that are filling up the web today (based on FCC Info that was just released) a week ago, seems that the lack of information doesn't prove anything one way or another. If you your reply is more than a guess (and again, not trying to sound rude at all...i just want a Win Phone 7 toy as bad as everyone else), than I'd love to know the source of info, or even the fact that you can't give away the source.
There was the rumored "HTC Gold W" for Sprint...anything coming from that?
There's no reason to think that Sprint won't be carrying a WP7 device at launch, unlike Verizon.
From the things I've read GSM devices will get the 1st crack, and CDMA will come next year. It could just be the rumor-mill though.
I don't mind waiting though. I think I'll wait for Gen 2 or 3 devices. I'm hoping MS gets more chipset drivers coded, I'd like to see SnapDragon vs. Hummingbird vs. Tegra 2.
I wouldn't mind waiting if I wasn't in desperate need of a phone. In 4 months time, I'm on my second Vogue, and it now has a broken USB jack...seems to only charge when plugged into a pc usb port. This would be fine if i didn't have to rely on it for on-call pages overnight.
A lot of recent articles on the HTC Spark, and most claim it's supposed to have CDMA included, so we'll see.
Wanna bet?
No CDMA phones this year. To be honest I really don't know, but if T-MO gets a device first then Sprint won't get it until next year. Its been this way for some reason.
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From the things I've read GSM devices will get the 1st crack, and CDMA will come next year. It could just be the rumor-mill though.
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I think it's mostly just people talking out of their rear end. The Verizon rumors seem to have teeth but that shouldn't affect Sprint. It's not like a GSM phone will work on all the carriers worldwide anyways. They're pretty much always customized/modified and it really shouldn't be all that different for the OEMs to toss the CDMA radio chip in instead of the GSM chip.
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Wanna bet?
No CDMA phones this year. To be honest I really don't know, but if T-MO gets a device first then Sprint won't get it until next year. Its been this way for some reason.
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What's been this way? Sprint got the Evo 4G. Verizon got the Incredible. The Touch Pro was available on Sprint first in the states.
TMO got WM, year later Sprint got WM.
TMO got Android, year later Sprint got Android.
TMO gets WP7, year later Sprint gets....
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TMO got WM, year later Sprint got WM.
TMO got Android, year later Sprint got Android.
TMO gets WP7, year later Sprint gets....
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What do events from many, many years ago and different OSes have to do with this? T-Mo got Android before anyone else, worldwide. At this point, there's just as much likelihood for Sprint to get a WP7 device on launch day as T-Mo. Leading the pack seems to be AT&T but there's no reason the others won't as well.
You're just looking at past events and assuming there's a connection to current events. Look at the reasons behind those events and you'll see that they simply don't apply here.
All I know is that a WP7 phone on the Sprint network would be perfect since the advanced hardware can really take advantage of the 4G network
I really believe Sprint would not be stupid enough to not get a WP7 device the minute launch day comes for the US. I do believe GSM gets the first crack since Europe is getting WP7 a month before the US, but after that we already have leaks of HTC based _W phones (World Phones like the Touch Pro 2 for those that do not know) and I would really think Sprint wants to pad their 4G with a 4G WP7 device as soon as they can. A device that can really use the whole offering 4G has to offer. (With streaming Netflix, Intigrated Zune, and XBLive, as long as they do not gimp the phones like ATT does with the iPhone).
Why AT&T continues to get countless new phones is beyond me. They can't handle the iPhone data useage alone let alone all the Android + iPhone + future WP7 Traffic they are going to get.
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Our source says that the fallout from this troubled partnership is that Microsoft has backed away from Verizon as a Windows Phone 7 launch partner, claiming that the first handsets you see won't be offered on the CDMA carrier -- rather that we should expect GSM partners to get first crack.
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Here's something from engadget that speaks of some "source"...It's all hearsay, but I can see that happening.
I refuse to believe that comment about Europe getting WP7 first statement. It wasn't really made in an official statement but sorta off the cuff by a senior exec who likely isn't intimately familiar with the launch. It would go against Microsoft's entire history, both recent and further back, of USA first. At most, Europe will get it at the same time which would be a big deal for Microsoft since they normally forget about the rest of the world.
At least I hope I'm right lol. The only reason I can think of is some sort of regulatory or carrier issues that would cause them to delay it here.
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I refuse to believe that comment about Europe getting WP7 first statement. It wasn't really made in an official statement but sorta off the cuff by a senior exec who likely isn't intimately familiar with the launch. It would go against Microsoft's entire history, both recent and further back, of USA first. At most, Europe will get it at the same time which would be a big deal for Microsoft since they normally forget about the rest of the world.
At least I hope I'm right lol. The only reason I can think of is some sort of regulatory or carrier issues that would cause them to delay it here.
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US is usually slower on Cell Technologies though, so it's perfectly plausible given the environment.
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US is usually slower on Cell Technologies though, so it's perfectly plausible given the environment.
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Not sure what you're really referring to exactly but how would that apply to a new OS made by an American company?
MS has teams all around the world.
We are behind in cell technologies, hell some people here think the iphone 4 is the first phone with video chat.
Where have all the leaks been coming from? Sure wasn't the US.
I hate it, but we are behind.
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MS has teams all around the world.
We are behind in cell technologies, hell some people here think the iphone 4 is the first phone with video chat.
Where have all the leaks been coming from? Sure wasn't the US.
I hate it, but we are behind.
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Yea, our networks are behind (and that's not really 100%, we have broader 4G deployment). But we're not behind on software. iPhone was launched here first as was Android. There's no reason that WP7 isn't launched here if not ahead of the rest, at least at the same time. MSFT doesn't even have the Zune store available abroad yet.
Iphone team is here in the US, so are all the iphone leaks.
The Android team is here in the US, Android was a company here in the US before being purchased by Google .
MS teams are all around the world. That's why if you ask a WP7 spoke person about specific parts of the OS, they don't have a clue. Or specific release dates, they don't have a clue.
We're at a point now to where we would have seen a CDMA leak, especially for Sprint.
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Iphone team is here in the US, so are all the iphone leaks.
The Android team is here in the US, Android was a company here in the US before being purchased by Google .
MS teams are all around the world. That's why if you ask a WP7 spoke person about specific parts of the OS, they don't have a clue. Or specific release dates, they don't have a clue.
We're at a point now to where we would have seen a CDMA leak, especially for Sprint.
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Ummmm MS is 99% in the US. Next largest is a team in India but they mostly did the emulator if I'm not mistaken. If you don't get an answer from a spokesperson it's because they're not allowed to talk about it or they're not a developer or even a technical person so they really don't have any clue about it in general. They very well might not know the release dates because Microsoft doesn't want anything leaked. It's a "need to know" situation. The people that do know sure as hell aren't just going to run around telling people because they don't want to lose their job. Nothing you've said has anything to do with a CDMA device coming/not coming to Sprint at launch. It doesn't even qualify as circumstantial evidence.