As we all know quadrant is no reliable measure for speed. At least I knew this for a while now and it was repeated and quoted many times.
This article tells anybody with a functioning brain (that is used of course) that quadrant means pretty much nothing.
I can't help to run it from time to time anyway
So I sat on the to... in my room in front of my computer with my phone. I9000 with supersonic ROM and the remount script from adrenaline shot 7. I sat there and said to myself "how hight can you score in quadrant LOL"
I started quadrant up and ran the benchmark: 2309
Then I opened the task manager-> Exit all & Clear memory
Then via long press homebutton back to quadrant to run the benchmark again score: 2453
But since I am a programmer and can imagine all kinds of optimizations and caching I pressed the back button and just ran it again just after it finished
Score: 2675
How the hell could anyone call that a benchmark?^^
just to be sure could anyone confirm that behavior? And does anyone know of a mor reliable alternative? I'd like to collect that knowledge in this thread.
TL;DR: quadrant sucks, you know anything better or want to flame away: do it here
Those are not the actual numbers from my first experiment, I repeated the scenario just now and took the numbers from those runs.
Additional runs scored 2775, 2907 and 2820, that's just silly
I think this behaviour is well known and has to do with JIT optimizations or something like that
allotrios said:
I think this behaviour is well known and has to do with JIT optimizations or something like that
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The reason is irrelevant. The fact it doesn't provide a reliable benchmark is.
no benchmark is precise if you don't use it as intended. Quadrant produces a reliable comparative benchmark when used as designed: run it five times, remove the lowest and highest scores and average the remaining 3 -- that is your benchmark. You may not like it, but that is how it is designed to be used.
Now if you want to be pedantic, you could reasonably test again, by running quadrant 5 times, removing the outliers and average your 3 remaining scores. Repeat 10 times and then tell me how your average scores do or do not vary: they will in fact be within a narrow range, your actual benchmark.
Alternatively, tell us which benchmark produces the same score each run, as that appears to be the sum total of your objection to quadrant.
There are other benchmarks, such as Caffiene Mark, AnTuTu and NenaMark, but they are all apps just as Quadrant is and all require several runs and averaging to produce a comparable benchmark.
Moreover, the primary use of any benchmark is to compare firmware (kernel and rom) builds on the same phone to see relative performance gain and drop.
A benchmark is supposed to give way of comparing the capabilities of a given device. This means that a device with a high average score implies a better device than a lower score.
But the Quadrant score does nothing of this sort! In a competition with a friend I achieved an average Quadrant score of about 4300, with a peak of 4462. According to Quadrant my device is a lot better than the OP! Which is just not true.
Quadrant is unreliable as a benchmark, no matter how it is "designed to be used".
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whaave said:
But the Quadrant score does nothing of this sort! In a competition with a friend I achieved an average Quadrant score of about 4300, with a peak of 4462. According to Quadrant my device is a lot better than the OP! Which is just not true.
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You're doing it wrong.
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Moreover, the primary use of any benchmark is to compare firmware (kernel and rom) builds on the same phone to see relative performance gain and drop.
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Quadrant scores are useless. I've used custom roms with scores of 2500+ but they aren't as smooth as stock roms, which only have scores of 1600-1800.
Antutu is indeed quite reliable imho. My results never fluctuate more than +-5% on the same config. That's an acceptable range, considering I don't set cpu governor to performance before running my tests.
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upichie said:
You're doing it wrong.
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w00t?
Quadrant does not reflect performance, and therefore can not be used as a comparison parameter.
It can't be much worse than I thought.
My phone with 2.1 and 'lag fix' scored 2200 and lagged so bad I wanted to throw it against a wall multiple times a day.
With stock 2.3 quadrant can be ~1000 but the phone runs much smoother.
Other than the obvious file systems I/O 'cheats' that resulted in the above, there is also the frame rate cap that makes the GPU tests useless as well.
if your trying to measure height with a scale , u wont get your answer .
The only benchmark tool that ever reflected how the phone felt in my hands , in real life usage is linpack .
changing OC / kernel is mainly the only thing that will affect linpack if your trying to use it to compare roms ill efer you to my first statement .
In order to have a good feel of a rom / set up on the phone , use some apps that will use lots of ressources , for example TW4 launcher , go in there scroll a lot open gallery (if you have many pics) scroll thru them and repeat ... Any benchmark tools will basically tell you the 'ability of your device ' ( comparing 2 different models like an inspire and an sgs2 for example will be accurate )
ZioGTS said:
Antutu is indeed quite reliable imho. My results never fluctuate more than +-5% on the same config. That's an acceptable range, considering I don't set cpu governor to performance before running my tests.
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I recently tried Passmark Mobile. Still a beta version, but I like it. Test results reflect real performance improvement and degradation pretty closely, particularly for what concerns I/O and memory speed.
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Hello!
So, I have a DHD with the Revolution HD ROM (2.0.8) and the Buzz Sense kernel. I have locked the CPU to min/max 1516MHz Perf. scaling and, upon running the AnTutu System Review 1.2("System Benchmark" under Market) I get a score of 1879.
Yet in the Rankings I see that the #2 device is a DHD with 2.2 @1516MHz with a whopping score of 2774!!!!!
So, how could I reach those heights? The only thing I can think of is the slow SD card that came with the mobile (read/write scores: 34/117), but other than that what could be holding me back?
Cheers
T
I have reached pretty high scores while testing, but then the overall rom smoothness has pretty much sucked. It is normal that synthetic benchmarks give lower results when you use a custom rom, the optimizations that ensure general smoothness and usability cause it. One big reason is CPU scheduling, in custom rom (custom kernel) cpu time is divided for each task in a different way, thus reducing the overall benchmark score.
jkoljo said:
I have reached pretty high scores while testing, but then the overall rom smoothness has pretty much sucked. It is normal that synthetic benchmarks give lower results when you use a custom rom, the optimizations that ensure general smoothness and usability cause it. One big reason is CPU scheduling, in custom rom (custom kernel) cpu time is divided for each task in a different way, thus reducing the overall benchmark score.
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Aha... but then this means that this or the other ROM do not let a specific app (say, a heavy 3D game) take the phone to its full potential...
Incorrect, it is just the synthetic benchmark that suffers. Games will run fine, faster than stock.
Jkoljo's right.The overall system speed is much better,performance is better,but it sucks a little in benchmarks.If you are so desperate to see high benchmark scores(I was once too! )try kamma's 1.4 kernel.Quadrant 3200.Need I say more?
tolis626 said:
Jkoljo's right.The overall system speed is much better,performance is better,but it sucks a little in benchmarks.If you are so desperate to see high benchmark scores(I was once too! )try kamma's 1.4 kernel.Quadrant 3200.Need I say more?
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Really? 3200? Wow. Just out of curiosity, what scores are you getting with other kernels?
Well, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter - I haven't seen an app or game that runs slow or choppy or whatever. It's just for the heck of it
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Really? 3200? Wow. Just out of curiosity, what scores are you getting with other kernels?
Well, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter - I haven't seen an app or game that runs slow or choppy or whatever. It's just for the heck of it
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Oh yeah,I know what tou mean!
Anyway,with Lee's and Apache's kernels I get about 2500-2600 in Quadrant.CPU clocked all the way up to 1.5 GHz of course!
Hey guys I hear a lot of negative stuff about how smooth the GN isn't and how the hardware is not that good but I must say that after 6 months of SGS2 use with many awesome roms like Checkrom etc and overclocking to 1600Mhz running a lot of benchmark tests I have to say that my experience with the GN has been awesome. Its smooth, fast and pretty.
But I saved all my Antutu, Nenamark and Quadrant scores and i have done a series of scores with the GN trying different roms and kernels and I say that the results, even only clocked to 1350Mhz were on average above my old SGS2. We should consider how much more effort is required to use the resolution of the screen to produce 6800 scores on Antutu and 3000+ scores on Quadrant.
This phone is really the next logical step and I actually get it why Google went down this path.
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Hey guys I hear a lot of negative stuff about how smooth the GN isn't and how the hardware is not that good but I must say that after 6 months of SGS2 use with many awesome roms like Checkrom etc and overclocking to 1600Mhz running a lot of benchmark tests I have to say that my experience with the GN has been awesome. Its smooth, fast and pretty.
But I saved all my Antutu, Nenamark and Quadrant scores and i have done a series of scores with the GN trying different roms and kernels and I say that the results, even only clocked to 1350Mhz were on average above my old SGS2. We should consider how much more effort is required to use the resolution of the screen to produce 6800 scores on Antutu and 3000+ scores on Quadrant.
This phone is really the next logical step and I actually get it why Google went down this path.
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Nice to see a positive post for once.
Sweet as mate
I started a benchmark scores thread in general.
If you dont mind, can you post your ROM + Kernel and any OC/UV settings u applied.
Also, have u used CF-Bench and what was your score?
Cheers. Its big ie oc to 1350Mhz with Franco kernal.
Ive tried KYRILLOSv3 which works no problem but the Antu Benchmark gave me a rating of 6039 which was 5% slower than KYRILLOSv2 has anyone else noticed this.
I got an improvment of about 100 compared to v2. However, don't trust only benchmarks. Its more important how it feels to you. And for me its feeling smoother
you too believe in antutu.
antutu test just for fun
hafidzduddin said:
you too believe in antutu.
antutu test just for fun
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Its not a matter of believing antutu but people produce these tools to compare devices on an un-biased way and the score is lower.
I know, I'm sorry, benchmarks, who needs them? The reason I'm testing is because I bought this phone used and I want to make sure that it's not broken in some way. I have a friend who is flipping HTC 10's and he's been doing benchmarks on each one that comes across his desk, and it seems like they're quite a bit different than mine.
On the stock rom my Antutu score has ranged from 108,000 to 152,000. Each time there's up to a 20,000 point difference. In my experience, your benchmark scores shouldn't change much unless you change something, so why the 45K range in scores? Not only that, but in Lineage 14.1 my scores drop significantly, down to 72,000, with the highest at 98,000.
I performed a RUU today and my scores are still flexing between 108 and 118K.
GeekBench 4 is a similar issue, my multicore performance has ranged from 1700 to 4100, and my single core from 1100 to 1700.
On a regular basis my Droid turbo (from 2014, running Lineage 14.1) is beating my HTC One in both tests. Do I have a bad phone, or is this normal behavior for the Sprint 10?
My buddy gets about 4000/1700 in geekbench and about 118K in Antutu, and his scores don't seem to change very much. He's running Lineage 14.1.
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I know, I'm sorry, benchmarks, who needs them? The reason I'm testing is because I bought this phone used and I want to make sure that it's not broken in some way. I have a friend who is flipping HTC 10's and he's been doing benchmarks on each one that comes across his desk, and it seems like they're quite a bit different than mine.
On the stock rom my Antutu score has ranged from 108,000 to 152,000. Each time there's up to a 20,000 point difference. In my experience, your benchmark scores shouldn't change much unless you change something, so why the 45K range in scores? Not only that, but in Lineage 14.1 my scores drop significantly, down to 72,000, with the highest at 98,000.
I performed a RUU today and my scores are still flexing between 108 and 118K.
GeekBench 4 is a similar issue, my multicore performance has ranged from 1700 to 4100, and my single core from 1100 to 1700.
On a regular basis my Droid turbo (from 2014, running Lineage 14.1) is beating my HTC One in both tests. Do I have a bad phone, or is this normal behavior for the Sprint 10?
My buddy gets about 4000/1700 in geekbench and about 118K in Antutu, and his scores don't seem to change very much. He's running Lineage 14.1.
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Perhaps it's thermal throttling?
Nougat update improved things on that front. Are you on Marshmallow? Also you can try going into developer option and setting High Performance mode and then doing your test to see if you get improved scores.
Tarima said:
Perhaps it's thermal throttling?
Nougat update improved things on that front. Are you on Marshmallow? Also you can try going into developer option and setting High Performance mode and then doing your test to see if you get improved scores.
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I think you're probably right on the thermal throttling side of things. I'm on Lineage 14.1 now, and if I run a benchmark after the phone has been idle for a while it's in the 138K range where it's supposed to be. Overclocked on stock is where I'm getting closer to 145K. I think I was doing too many tests, and when they were bad, I'd flash to another ROM (while charging) which didn't help with the thermal side of things.
Thermal throttling also would explain why if you do one test, then immediately repeat it the phone will score worse, which happens every time I try it.
I'm not on MM, I did a RUU to the latest version of N and then unlocked from there.
I started one for g4 plus now for g5 plus .
Cosmic os 2.1 unofficial
Elemental x kernel over clocked
What benchmark program are you using?
username8611 said:
What benchmark program are you using?
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Antutu
PureNexus using ElementalX stock CPU speeds and GPU governor, CFQ, custom CPU governor settings
Lineage OMS with ElementalX kernel stock CPU speed and governor. ZEN with custom readahead.
This is kind of useless, benchmark comparison means nothing if it is not on the same device with same set of apps installed.
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This is kind of useless, benchmark comparison means nothing if it is not on the same device with same set of apps installed.
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That doesn't make any sense. Devices are manufactured to a certain tolerance and winning the "silicon lottery" doesn't make a device faster, it makes it more overclockable. Device to device, stock for stock, the difference should be at most a few thousand points from each other. It should be pretty obvious to kill all background apps and processes before benchmarking so apps installed don't matter either. If Facebook is too important to kill for 10 minutes then that person shouldn't worry about benchmarking.
Device to device are obviously going to vary. But a varience of 10k+ points is a pretty good indicator of one set up running slightly better than the other and it's interesting to compare what is the most optimized settings. I can play with my CPU governor all day and get repeatable results +/- 500 - 1000 points. Both me and my wife had a Nexus 5 and with identical settings we both benchmarked very similar. To say it is a useless test is ignorant. If people look at this as a pissing match to see who's "better" then yeah, I see this being a dumb and useless thread. But I think most people who do this want to know what settings, ROM, and kernel are best optimized for performance.
Edit: https://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-Moto-G5-Plus_id10398/benchmarks
63,191
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345eKlssdH8
62,769
http://www.fonearena.com/blog/214719/moto-g5-plus-review.html
62,893
https://www.pcmag.com/review/352573/motorola-moto-g5-plus
63,845
http://www.guidingtech.com/65986/moto-g5-plus-vs-redmi-note-4/
62,896
5 different devices, all tested stock within right around 1,000 points of each other.
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That doesn't make any sense. Devices are manufactured to a certain tolerance and winning the "silicon lottery" doesn't make a device faster, it makes it more overclockable. Device to device, stock for stock, the difference should be at most a few thousand points from each other. It should be pretty obvious to kill all background apps and processes before benchmarking so apps installed don't matter either. If Facebook is too important to kill for 10 minutes then that person shouldn't worry about benchmarking.
Device to device are obviously going to vary. But a varience of 10k+ points is a pretty good indicator of one set up running slightly better than the other and it's interesting to compare what is the most optimized settings. I can play with my CPU governor all day and get repeatable results +/- 500 - 1000 points. Both me and my wife had a Nexus 5 and with identical settings we both benchmarked very similar. To say it is a useless test is ignorant. If people look at this as a pissing match to see who's "better" then yeah, I see this being a dumb and useless thread. But I think most people who do this want to know what settings, ROM, and kernel are best optimized for performance.
Edit: https://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-Moto-G5-Plus_id10398/benchmarks
63,191
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345eKlssdH8
62,769
http://www.fonearena.com/blog/214719/moto-g5-plus-review.html
62,893
https://www.pcmag.com/review/352573/motorola-moto-g5-plus
63,845
http://www.guidingtech.com/65986/moto-g5-plus-vs-redmi-note-4/
62,896
5 different devices, all tested stock within right around 1,000 points of each other.
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Thank you for taking the time to write a long response. But, I believe you may have just proved my point. I believe the test results of different roms should be well within 'around 1,000 points of each other'. Unless-
a. the rom is very poorly optimized - score would be lower.
b. the kernel is overclocked - score could be slightly higher.
c. user error (lots of background apps).
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Thank you for taking the time to write a long response. But, I believe you may have just proved my point. I believe the test results of different roms should be well within 'around 1,000 points of each other'. Unless-
a. the rom is very poorly optimized - score would be lower.
b. the kernel is overclocked - score could be slightly higher.
c. user error (lots of background apps).
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I really don't know how else to explain this to you. OP got a lower score than me, yet is overclocked. So it stands to reason that either "a. the rom is very poorly optimized - score would be lower" or "b. the kernel is overclocked - score could be slightly higher" or "c. user error (lots of background apps)" is the reason for it. But wait, the performance should be slightly higher for an overclock except that it isn't. That's the whole reason to benchmark. Another possibility is that since I've heard ElementalX is currently having overclock issues, it may be reverting to its nominal frequency, which I believe is 1.4Ghz. How would this person have known that if not for comparing benchmarks? According to you, they can't compare to stock benchmarks because it's a different set of apps installed and a different ROM and in fact can't compare it to anyone because it's a different device, albeit the same model.
Benchmarks show performance differences, regardless of whether or not they are large enough to even notice on a day to day basis. It shows technical differences and if you think technical differences mean jack squat, then why are you even commenting in this thread? It's the same theory when you throw a car on a dyno. You're going to notice small differences between each run, but when you have two of the same model cars with the same engine, and one consistently puts out 30HP more than the other, there's probably a reason for it.
To reiterate what I said in my first reply, for people who want to compare optimization between different ROMs, kernels, and technical settings such as CPU governors and schedulers, benchmarking is not useless. Not in this method of testing and not across identical devices with different software. The baseline or "stock vs stock" comparison shows that the benchmark is measuring with an adequate amount of accuracy and that multiple devices in stock form are performing equally before being modified. Just because it doesn't mean anything to you doesn't mean that it means nothing at all.
I did some research and things like backround apps running in airplane mode scripts like lightning blade. all these things make a difference. I was running kernel over clocked in interactive mode with lightning script. If I set to performance my score was significantly higher I was hoping this would give users a better way to set up and optimize their device not to compare roms running same device. Yes at first I thought about that then realized it wouldn't make a lot of sense. Im hoping some of u guys will hop on board and help test kernel roms and other mods so maybe we can get the best out of our device thanks guys.