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I just bought a few spare batteries... How to use?

Hi,
I've just purchased a couple of cheap batteries off ebay and just wondered what was the best way of using them and charging them?
I've just recently calibrated the battery on the Z the other day (and now been getting upto 22 hours on a single charge! Yay!) and wondered do I need to do the same for the batteries I just bought as they come with their own charger.
I just want to get the best out of the phone and batteries so wanted to know what's the best thing to do.
Thanks in advance,
Jason

I would run them flat (keep phone on until it dies, turn it back on, let it die, turn it on, let it die, turn it on...... until it boots no more) before charging fully/overnight.

Batteries aren't calibrated, the battery meter on the phone is calibrated (basically, so the volt meter on the phone knows what voltages correspond to "full" battery and "empty"). Li ion batteries don't need to be conditioned like the old NiCad type. Really, you don't need to do anything. Li ion batteries should be stored with about 40% charge according to the link below. They should have shipped with some charge, and hold the charge pretty well. Just check them once in a while if stored for a long time.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

wileykat said:
I would run them flat (keep phone on until it dies, turn it back on, let it die, turn it on, let it die, turn it on...... until it boots no more) before charging fully/overnight.
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No! Do not run the batteries until empty. Running a Li ion battery empty can possibly cause it to no longer take a charge. Try not to discharge below 20%. See the link below. The proper way to calibrate the battery meter is charge to full, drain to about 20%, repeat a couple times.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
And as I've already mentioned in my previous reply, charge/drain cycles on the battery does nothing does nothing to the battery itself. Li ion batteries don't need to be (and can't be) conditioned. Charge/drain cycles only calibrate the battery meter on the phone (possibly incorrectly, if you are just going to then store that battery). So you are just wasting your time.
Also, you shouldn't store the batteries fully charged.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

Really?....
Links added to 'to do' list for later. Thank you pal. I really should research before taking peoples word as gospel.
Nice one.

What I've done is counter to what people always say about Lithium Ion batteries but I've had good success so I figured I'd share.
I have two batteries, one always lives in the phone and the other lives in an external charger (these can be had for as little as $5 on eBay).
Every morning I look at the phone and if the charge is <50% I pop the other battery off the charger and put it in my pocket. When the phones battery dies (may not be that day) I just swap the battery and when I get home I put the dead one on the external charger.
Periodically if I'm not in a hurry, I will even go so far as to power the phone on in recovery mode after the battery has died, it will run for a bit longer in recovery (sometimes as long as an hour) sucking a little bit more juice out of it.
I routinely get more than 2 days out of a battery charge.
I don't doubt that my method reduces the overall lifespan of my batteries but charge time is more important to me than battery lifetime and I end up picking up a new battery every 6 months ago and taking my oldest one out of service.

wileykat said:
Really?....
Links added to 'to do' list for later. Thank you pal. I really should research before taking peoples word as gospel.
Nice one.
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No problem. I used to think the same, about draining the battery until the phone died, then charging to full, to calibrate the battery meter. Until Jackos over in the Rhodium forum informed me otherwise. I've also read pretty occasional posts over there (and likely other phones) by various users that discharged their battery too low, and then couldn't start their phones or charge the battery. Every phone is different, and I think a user on here said the Vision has better safety measures to prevent this. But best to play it safe. There is really no benefit to intentionally draining your battery to 0% versus 20%. Your battery meter will still be plenty accurate enough.

Ah ok thanks guys a lot of useful info here.
So to sum up:
- I can charge the batteries normally on the phone without need for calibrating either phone or battery.
And one more question:
- Are there adverse affects from charging the official battery or ebay batteries on the external charger?
Loving the Desire Z at the moment, I think I'll have one spare battery on me when at work or commuting on public transport and one in the car.
Thanks again!

BiMU said:
- Are there adverse affects from charging the official battery or ebay batteries on the external charger?
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They both charge fine either on the external charger or in the phone but in general I've had better performance with OEM batteries than with the generics, I suspect that there is a wide range or quality among generic batteries where the OEMs are more consistent.
Right now I have one OEM and one Generic, despite the Generic having a higher MAh rating and being newer in general I get more time on a charge off the OEM battery.
You can check eBay for a good deal on OEM batteries, just be sure to read the item description carefully to make sure you are getting a real OEM battery as opposed to an "OEM-type".

BiMU said:
So to sum up:
- I can charge the batteries normally on the phone without need for calibrating either phone or battery.
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If you are going to be swapping batteries frequently, then I would say that there is no point in calibrating the battery meter on the phone. Its never going to be completely correct if you keep swapping the battery. If you are going to use one battery for a long time, I'd say calibrate the battery meter. There is no such thing as calibrating the battery, so obviously no on that.
BiMU said:
And one more question:
- Are there adverse affects from charging the official battery or ebay batteries on the external charger?
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I'm not sure on this, so maybe others have a better answer. But I'd say as long as the voltage is the same, it wouldn't matter if you used the phone or an external charger to charge the batteries.
From what I've read, Li ion batteries have safety circuitry to prevent over-charge, so you don't need to worry about the charger having that.

Replacement Battery?

Flattened my Xoom earlier, as I do everynow and again to full cycle the battery.
Came back to it a bit later and it had charged up to 40 odd %
Used it for a while then it suddenly said the battery was flat and switched off..
Anyone else had this, am I looking at a dead battery or should I just leave it swtiched off and on charge overnight?

Trig0r said:
Flattened my Xoom earlier, as I do everynow and again to full cycle the battery.
Came back to it a bit later and it had charged up to 40 odd %
Used it for a while then it suddenly said the battery was flat and switched off..
Anyone else had this, am I looking at a dead battery or should I just leave it swtiched off and on charge overnight?
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It shouldn't be, lithium ion batteries don't have as intense a memory problem as the old nicad batteries...maybe just wipe the batteries stats in clockwork for good measure and take it from there. Sorry I forgot to mention that this would assume you are rooted. All my Android devices have weird jumps like that, but not usually that extreme.

cool, I'll clear the battery stats and see what it says in the morning.

Clear the stats in the morning after the full night charge not before..
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Good job I checked here before I went to sleep eh

Lithium batteries do not like to go all the way down to dead (so low the device won't even start). They wear alot if you do. There is no reason to cykle them after the first time charge as there is no memory effect on them.
I had a laptop battery partially charged installed in my laptop and did't use it for two weeks. The battery went compleatly dead and when I charged it I only got like 20% into it before it said full. I had to buy a new battery.
So don't leave your XOOM with 1% battery for a long time. If you are not gonna use it for a prolonged time charge it up to about 75% before leaving it.

SEALen is correct, Lithium batteries should not be fully discharged it significantly shortens their lifespan, there is also no memory effect, the only battery type that ever did have one is NiCad.
The best way to keep a lithium battery healthy is to charge little and often, keep it topped up.

Troute said:
SEALen is correct, Lithium batteries should not be fully discharged it significantly shortens their lifespan, there is also no memory effect, the only battery type that ever did have one is NiCad.
The best way to keep a lithium battery healthy is to charge little and often, keep it topped up.
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+ 1 to your arguments however if he is doing a calibration, i let it get to 1% before charging it again, i dont let it die i watch battery widget pro and watch the mA.. This will not fix a battery but give better indication of its lifespan
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Best advice for sharging battery for first use out of box?

so what is the best thing to do?
is there any way of charging,dis charging ect to get the best battery life?
or should i just charg it to 100% and use it right away?
i did a charging squence with my nexus s. but duno about the Gn.

for me is to turn on the device and start working until the battery drops to 0-1%.
only then im charging it X2 then needed to go to 100%, you can make it Double if you want.

Well, this is going to be one of those threads where everyone has their own little way to care for a battery and others say their way is better, etc, etc the arguments breaking out which will result in people posting www.batteryuniversity.com in an effort to win said arguments.
Here's mine. On a brand new phone, I put the battery in, boot up, connect the charger, run it to 100%, disconnect charge, run battery all the way down, connect the charge, run to 100% and go about my life charging when I need to.
My two cents. Have no idea if it does any good, but my SGSII is going on 1 day 14 hrs on a single charge, so it must work somehow...

ericshmerick said:
Well, this is going to be one of those threads where everyone has their own little way to care for a battery and others say their way is better, etc, etc the arguments breaking out which will result in people posting www.batteryuniversity.com in an effort to win said arguments.
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100% Agree. There will be a lot of different opinions.
ericshmerick said:
Here's mine. On a brand new phone, I put the battery in, boot up, connect the charger, run it to 100%, disconnect charge, run battery all the way down, connect the charge, run to 100% and go about my life charging when I need to.
My two cents. Have no idea if it does any good, but my SGSII is going on 1 day 14 hrs on a single charge, so it must work somehow...
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My way,
Turn on phone, charge it to 100%, leave it plugged for an extra 20 min, and start using it normally.
The only time I discharge a battery is after a couple of months. Because we never charge it to 100% and they start creating memory and charging less and less every time. The purpose of discharging it completely is to erase its memory. That's why when it is new, I see no point on discharging it completely. Batteries suffer every time they are completely discharged and if they are left 100% for a long period of time, thats why new batteries always come charged about 50%, to extend battery life since they may be stored for a long period of time. (ref. aviation school)
Just my 2 cents.

sstang2006 said:
The only time I discharge a battery is after a couple of months. Because we never charge it to 100% and they start creating memory and charging less and less every time. The purpose of discharging it completely is to erase its memory. That's why when it is new, I see no point on discharging it completely. (ref. aviation school)
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That hasn't been true since NiCd's in the 1980s.
Modern Lithium-Ion and Lithium-Polymer batteries have no "memory" and are actively damaged if allowed to discharge fully.

HooloovooUK said:
That hasn't been true since NiCd's in the 1980s.
Modern Lithium-Ion and Lithium-Polymer batteries have no "memory" and are actively damaged if allowed to discharge fully.
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OK, I may be wrong I'm no expert.
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)

sstang2006 said:
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)
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Generally because they don't know any better and they don't realise battery technology has moved on.

Because batteries "back in the days" were quite sensitive to memory. That's why we were all raised by the complete-discharge-mantra, which sticks with you forever. The next generation won't have this problem and will feel free to charge their phones when they want to. ;-)

sstang2006 said:
OK, I may be wrong I'm no expert.
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)
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Becouse android in itself keeps a battery log, it is from this log your device calculates the amount of battery you have left. To keep these values true (calibrated) you should do 2-3 cycles where you on purchase, discharge fully until device auto shut down, start it WITHOUT charge a couple of times and let it die to set the min value, charge up to 100%, use your device again till auto shut down... you dont have to worry about damaging your battery in this case since your device it programmed to shut down with good marginal of battery depletion. What you SHOULD NOT do is leave an empty battery uncharged for a long period of time.
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Lithium batteries will be damaged if they are stored fully charged or fully discharged for extended periods of time. Thats why the battery is about half charged when its new. They have no memory effect, they just loose capacity.
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Tjotte said:
Becouse android in itself keeps a battery log, it is from this log your device calculates the amount of battery you have left. To keep these values true (calibrated) you should do 2-3 cycles where you on purchase, discharge fully until device auto shut down, start it WITHOUT charge a couple of times and let it die to set the min value, charge up to 100%, use your device again till auto shut down... you dont have to worry about damaging your battery in this case since your device it programmed to shut down with good marginal of battery depletion. What you SHOULD NOT do is leave an empty battery uncharged for a long period of time.
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Good point. While it's important not to fully discharge the battery too often, there is also the issue of calibrating the battery meter.

ericshmerick said:
Well, this is going to be one of those threads where everyone has their own little way to care for a battery and others say their way is better, etc, etc the arguments breaking out which will result in people posting www.batteryuniversity.com in an effort to win said arguments.
Here's mine. On a brand new phone, I put the battery in, boot up, connect the charger, run it to 100%, disconnect charge, run battery all the way down, connect the charge, run to 100% and go about my life charging when I need to.
My two cents. Have no idea if it does any good, but my SGSII is going on 1 day 14 hrs on a single charge, so it must work somehow...
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That's exactly what I do, had 14 hours of moderate use today and still had 45% left. More than happy with that. It seems to be getting better each day at the moment.

Crin said:
That's exactly what I do, had 14 hours of moderate use today and still had 45% left. More than happy with that. It seems to be getting better each day at the moment.
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78% after 14 hours here, but that's light use.

sstang2006 said:
OK, I may be wrong I'm no expert.
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)
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The whole "discharging the battery fully" thing doesn't really apply here - because nobody will ever fully discharge it. The Nexus uses a Lithium Ion cell - it's a single cell, with a nominal voltage of 3.6V. When fully charged, it peaks at 4.2V (at which point, the charging circuitry cuts off to avoid overcharging). However, when we "fully discharge" our phones, the cell only goes as low as 3.5V - and then the phone shuts off.
In reality, lithium cells can discharge to around 3.0V before any damage occurs. However, this would yield very little extra battery life. Stopping at 3.5V provides a wide safety margin (lithium cells are potentially dangerous if overcharged/discharged), whilst extending cell life.
In a nutshell - don't worry about running your phone down to 0% (unless you're putting it in storage, in which case leave it at about 60%). In fact, it's a good thing with a new phone, as cycling (charging and discharging a cell) helps to "wake" the cell up and reach it's max capacity more quickly.
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i see some good ideas about charging and discharging.
but it is indeed a fact that 100% and 0%(real) isnt good for our new race of battery's.
but a few posts here already tell how and what.
and its not gonna be a thread of arguments and stuff,if we all keep it in our heads that we just want to share our tip's of how you think its the best way(and have some experience with it)
just to share some info. and not compete the info against each other.
i well know there are different ways. but its always nice to read what experience people have with it to make a choice for my own and any other wanting to know this.
and i posted here in the GN section,instead of the Android section because each phone handles battery different,and this narrows the options down to a single device :3

Just keep in mind it's not just about the battery itself it's about the software registering how much actual power the battery has at a certain time, so if the battery has in actuality 100% charge in it, and the software reads 80 then your phone will die out sooner. So charging and discharging is good because it calibrates the hardware with the software. Just remember to switch off the device then charge it so the software doesn't auto discharge when it thinks the battery reached 100%.

K i just skipped thru the posts, gonna throw in my input real quick.
Basically just run down the battery. Once it turns off, hold the power button to make sure all the juice is gone. Then charge it up to 100% and leave it there for a good hour. Now (root required) download https://market.android.com/details?...yLDEsImNvbS5uZW1hLmJhdHRlcnljYWxpYnJhdGlvbiJd and follow the instructions .. its not exactly necessary but a nice thing "just in case" .
thats my plan anyways.

Nutsonfire said:
Lithium batteries will be damaged if they are stored fully charged or fully discharged for extended periods of time. Thats why the battery is about half charged when its new. They have no memory effect, they just loose capacity.
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Where does the loosed capacity go? Can it be caught?

And what do you think about charging with the phone being switched on? Is it better to have it switched off?
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juniorbattle said:
And what do you think about charging with the phone being switched on? Is it better to have it switched off?
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Won't make a difference.. Phones are designed to be left on anyway.

Battery life: frequent micro charges vs more spaced charges

What is best in terms of battery longevity?
1 - Wait until battery level fall below a certain level (and which % is ideal to start charging)
or
2- Charge the battery as frequently soon as possible
Thanks for any advice

Lithium batteries last longer if you do not disharge them all the way..
I don't have reference material handy. If you really want some, I will try and find some again..
But basically charge the battery whenever you can or at least do not let it go below say 20 or 25 percent if you are concerned about that. Since our devices have a replaceable battery I do not stress out over it too much. If I cut 6 months off the battery and it only lasts me a year or so, I can always just put in a new one, they are not that expensive..
Now on a device without a replaceable battery is where you really have to be concerned..

Drain till 20% then recharge it. Best way to use lithium battery.

kyokeun1234 said:
Drain till 20% then recharge it. Best way to use lithium battery.
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Thank you gentlement for your advice. So far, I connect the USB cable each time I sit at the desk. Even if battery is 9x% full. I will stop doing this now.

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
says it's best to keep the battery charged. best to keep the battery levels at 40-90%

ceejay83 said:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
says it's best to keep the battery charged. best to keep the battery levels at 40-90%
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Huh, I heard it was around 20%~80%...

kyokeun1234 said:
Huh, I heard it was around 20%~80%...
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yea could be, just don't discharge or overcharge the battery :good:

i haven't looked into it lately. but i'm pretty sure our phones don't discharge the battery till it's technically at 0% (~3V)
i'll run my phone down tonight and check it with a mutlimeter to verify...
i wouldn't be surprised to find out the phone stops charging the battery before it's at a true 100% either. so i guess i'll check that too.

crazy talk said:
i wouldn't be surprised to find out the phone stops charging the battery before it's at a true 100% either. so i guess i'll check that too.
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I was also puzzled by the warning of overcharging issue. I read somewhere that the GalNexus has an electronic which prevents overcharging. I am very interested by your verification if that is true. Because frankly, it would be very inconvenient to wake in the middle of every night to disconnect the charger.

2LoT said:
I was also puzzled by the warning of overcharging issue. I read somewhere that the GalNexus has an electronic which prevents overcharging. I am very interested by your verification if that is true. Because frankly, it would be very inconvenient to wake in the middle of every night to disconnect the charger.
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there are wall chargers that have timers on them, they shut off power after a custom time

You can't overcharge a phone by leaving it plugged in all night, the charging circuit only allows it to charge to a certain point. You can overcharge a phone by plugging it in everytime it hits 90% because you're being all OCD about it. Over time that will screw up your battery

The main thing you want to avoid is heat, which will seriously degrade the life of the battery. I only charge my phone once a day(before I go to bed). I've been doing this since I got my first Android device(well, my Nexus S had to be charged like 3 times a day :| ) and have never run into any premature battery failures.

speedyink said:
You can't overcharge a phone by leaving it plugged in all night, the charging circuit only allows it to charge to a certain point. You can overcharge a phone by plugging it in everytime it hits 90% because you're being all OCD about it. Over time that will screw up your battery
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Oh that's what overcharging mean? Ok thanks.

speedyink said:
You can't overcharge a phone by leaving it plugged in all night, the charging circuit only allows it to charge to a certain point. You can overcharge a phone by plugging it in everytime it hits 90% because you're being all OCD about it. Over time that will screw up your battery
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Quite the opposite is true, regarding the second part of your reply, actually.
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Actually, it's never a bad time to charge a lithium battery because the charge you are using is always the oldest added. Consider it as a bucket with golf balls and a hole at the bottom. You load golf balls from the top and use them one at a time from the hole on the bottom.
All lithium batteries have circuitry built into them to prevent overcharging but at the same time the circuitry needs power to operate. If you drain your battery down to nothing and leave it uncharged for a long time the circuitry will drain the reserve and you will not be able to charge it at all.
Another fact about lithium batteries is that you can charge them more times than their natural life span. So as soon as a battery is manufactured it starts to go bad just sitting on a shelf. So buy them fresh. They have thousands of charge cycles and only about 2-3 years life. So even if you charge all cells inside 2-3 times daily (remember the bucket analogy) that's only about 1,000 charges in a year.
Also, you could plug your phone in and out 100 times during one day and still not complete one full charge cycle.
Conclusion ; charge it whenever you can, whenever you want. You'll need a new battery in about 2-3 years anyway in which time you'll most likely get a new phone.

Thanks obsanity. Oh wow, this is indeed even better. Thank you very much for the technical background explanation.
So as soon as a battery is manufactured it starts to go bad just sitting on a shelf.
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Are those the cheap batteries you find on eBay, the kind of $20 for 3 batteries?

2LoT said:
Thanks obsanity. Oh wow, this is indeed even better. Thank you very much for the technical background explanation.
Are those the cheap batteries you find on eBay, the kind of $20 for 3 batteries?
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the cheap ebay batteries use a cheap/inferior chemistry. they may be capable of the same Mah as stock for example when new, but i wouldn't count on it to age as well compared to OEM.

obsanity said:
Actually, it's never a bad time to charge a lithium battery because the charge you are using is always the oldest added. Consider it as a bucket with golf balls and a hole at the bottom. You load golf balls from the top and use them one at a time from the hole on the bottom.
All lithium batteries have circuitry built into them to prevent overcharging but at the same time the circuitry needs power to operate. If you drain your battery down to nothing and leave it uncharged for a long time the circuitry will drain the reserve and you will not be able to charge it at all.
Another fact about lithium batteries is that you can charge them more times than their natural life span. So as soon as a battery is manufactured it starts to go bad just sitting on a shelf. So buy them fresh. They have thousands of charge cycles and only about 2-3 years life. So even if you charge all cells inside 2-3 times daily (remember the bucket analogy) that's only about 1,000 charges in a year.
Also, you could plug your phone in and out 100 times during one day and still not complete one full charge cycle.
Conclusion ; charge it whenever you can, whenever you want. You'll need a new battery in about 2-3 years anyway in which time you'll most likely get a new phone.
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Thanks for the clarification!

2LoT said:
Are those the cheap batteries you find on eBay, the kind of $20 for 3 batteries?
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I would say they are not only old but also fake claims of capacity. It's actually hard to measure how much a battery can hold so they take advantage of it. Who's going to prove them wrong?

system shutdown occurs on the Galaxy Nexus at 3.39 volts (assumed, measured voltage with no load is 3.42)
in theory you could get a bit better battery life at the cost of cell longevity by running it down to 3.2 volts. assuming the system could continue to function.
EDIT: full system charge is 4.2 volts, as expected. i don't see a practical benefit to modifying the system to run at below 3.4 volts, even if possible.

New Toy - First Battery Charge!?

When I get my new toy tomorrow, I plan on using it! As per what I've read, gonna use it down to 10% or so...then give 'er a full-up charge. Kind of curious what everyone elses' plans are for their first time 'round?

k.babymamma said:
When I get my new toy tomorrow, I plan on using it! As per what I've read, gonna use it down to 10% or so...then give 'er a full-up charge. Kind of curious what everyone elses' plans are for their first time 'round?
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Most likely this, but I may play around with the spare battery and throw the battery in the charger for 8hrs
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k.babymamma said:
When I get my new toy tomorrow, I plan on using it! As per what I've read, gonna use it down to 10% or so...then give 'er a full-up charge. Kind of curious what everyone elses' plans are for their first time 'round?
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Is that the general consensus on how to break in the battery? First move to an android phone and learning all I can.

I have always charged it up when i get it first then all the way down...but we all know how it is when we get a new phone....can't put it down! So...i play a bit first..
Confirmed tomorrow delivery!
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I usually run it dead first then charge it to full. I don't think there is a wrong way to do it anymore. someone correct me if I am wrong and why.

rans0m00 said:
I usually run it dead first then charge it to full. I don't think there is a wrong way to do it anymore. someone correct me if I am wrong and why.
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I do the exact same thing as you.

Rocket42 said:
I have always charged it up when i get it first then all the way down...but we all know how it is when we get a new phone....can't put it down! So...i play a bit first..
Confirmed tomorrow delivery!
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Congrats to everyone *finally* getting their beastie! I can't wait for mine...nor can I wait to PLAY with it! I did some researching on ye ole battery issue...there are a lot of different theories...so I decided to go with the "drain it out of the box, then charge" because this fits in with my extreme need to PLAY! I read it may be a good way to go to "break in" the battery, if you're of that school of thought. Some people say they do not need "broken in". Some say they need fully charged first...yada yada yada and so on & so forth. I do think the newer batteries are different than those of yesteryear in that they don't have a memory, etc, and some of the old schoolers are still stuck with that thinking. Maybe. I dunno. I'm far from any expert. (I just wanna PLAY!!! lol)
Anyone try out that Ready2Go thing thru AT&T? Kinda neat. I did it. We'll see. I just did my contacts though. The rest is taking the fun away of customizing a new toy!

rans0m00 said:
I usually run it dead first then charge it to full. I don't think there is a wrong way to do it anymore. someone correct me if I am wrong and why.
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A Google dev came out and said on XDA a while back (the heck if I'm going to try to find the post) that battery stats have basically no effect on anything anymore. All the same, I "grew up" on cell phones by draining them to 0, then plugging them in until 30 minutes after they show a full charge, so I've just kept doing it that way.

It seems to me that companies wouldn't send out a battery without testing it... Which would involve charging/discharging it. So I don't think there's any need to treat a battery any differently when it's fresh out of the box than you would after the "break-in" methods people have posted in here.

T.J. Bender said:
...All the same, I "grew up" on cell phones by draining them to 0, then plugging them in until 30 minutes after they show a full charge, so I've just kept doing it that way.
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this is probably why I do it too.

You should not be using the same method on Lithium-Ion batteries that you do on Ni-cad... cause they ain't nicad
Just do a little research. They don't require any break-in. Not only that but it's suggested you charge often and not fully discharge if you can avoid it.
Just plug the phone in when you get it and charge it up. If you want to use it feel free, plugged in or not.
Some common tips taken from Gizmodo and Blackberry's sites:
• Do not let it run out completely all the time. Full discharge puts a lot of strain on the battery
• Do not keep a Li-ion battery fully charged all the time, either. If you don't use your battery it might suffer from capacity loss
• Keep your battery in cooler temperatures. Hot hot heat is not good for it
• If you're gonna store your battery, leave 40%-50% charge in and store it in a cool place (i.e. fridge).
1. When you get a new Blackberry, charge it fully to 100%. There is no 120% or 130%, so once it hits 100%, it is fully charged. This normally takes about 2-4 hours for a new device. There is nothing wrong with “over-charging” the battery, however there is no real need to do so. Sometimes, new Li-ion batteries will come fully charged out of the box.
2. There is no “break-in” or “conditioning” required for the Li-ion batteries. They do not need the old “fully discharge – fully charge” routine for the initial three charges as was recommended on older battery technologies.
3. If you are a brand new BlackBerry user, keep in mind that you are likely using (or playing with) your BlackBerry much more the first few days than in normal routine use. If you think you are having quick battery discharge issues, give yourself a week or so until your daily BlackBerry usage levels off to a perceived normal amount. Don't freak out after the first one or two days if your battery depletes itself halfway through the day--You're probably using the device at a higher than normal use.

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santiagodraco said:
You should not be using the same method on Lithium-Ion batteries that you do on Ni-cad... cause they ain't nicad
Just do a little research. They don't require any break-in. Not only that but it's suggested you charge often and not fully discharge if you can avoid it.
Just plug the phone in when you get it and charge it up. If you want to use it feel free, plugged in or not.
Some common tips taken from Gizmodo and Blackberry's sites:
• Do not let it run out completely all the time. Full discharge puts a lot of strain on the battery
• Do not keep a Li-ion battery fully charged all the time, either. If you don't use your battery it might suffer from capacity loss
• Keep your battery in cooler temperatures. Hot hot heat is not good for it
• If you're gonna store your battery, leave 40%-50% charge in and store it in a cool place (i.e. fridge).
1. When you get a new Blackberry, charge it fully to 100%. There is no 120% or 130%, so once it hits 100%, it is fully charged. This normally takes about 2-4 hours for a new device. There is nothing wrong with “over-charging” the battery, however there is no real need to do so. Sometimes, new Li-ion batteries will come fully charged out of the box.
2. There is no “break-in” or “conditioning” required for the Li-ion batteries. They do not need the old “fully discharge – fully charge” routine for the initial three charges as was recommended on older battery technologies.
3. If you are a brand new BlackBerry user, keep in mind that you are likely using (or playing with) your BlackBerry much more the first few days than in normal routine use. If you think you are having quick battery discharge issues, give yourself a week or so until your daily BlackBerry usage levels off to a perceived normal amount. Don't freak out after the first one or two days if your battery depletes itself halfway through the day--You're probably using the device at a higher than normal use.
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AWESOME post, thanks!

santiagodraco said:
You should not be using the same method on Lithium-Ion batteries that you do on Ni-cad... cause they ain't nicad
Just do a little research. They don't require any break-in. Not only that but it's suggested you charge often and not fully discharge if you can avoid it.
Just plug the phone in when you get it and charge it up. If you want to use it feel free, plugged in or not.
Some common tips taken from Gizmodo and Blackberry's sites:
• Do not let it run out completely all the time. Full discharge puts a lot of strain on the battery
• Do not keep a Li-ion battery fully charged all the time, either. If you don't use your battery it might suffer from capacity loss
• Keep your battery in cooler temperatures. Hot hot heat is not good for it
• If you're gonna store your battery, leave 40%-50% charge in and store it in a cool place (i.e. fridge).
1. When you get a new Blackberry, charge it fully to 100%. There is no 120% or 130%, so once it hits 100%, it is fully charged. This normally takes about 2-4 hours for a new device. There is nothing wrong with “over-charging” the battery, however there is no real need to do so. Sometimes, new Li-ion batteries will come fully charged out of the box.
2. There is no “break-in” or “conditioning” required for the Li-ion batteries. They do not need the old “fully discharge – fully charge” routine for the initial three charges as was recommended on older battery technologies.
3. If you are a brand new BlackBerry user, keep in mind that you are likely using (or playing with) your BlackBerry much more the first few days than in normal routine use. If you think you are having quick battery discharge issues, give yourself a week or so until your daily BlackBerry usage levels off to a perceived normal amount. Don't freak out after the first one or two days if your battery depletes itself halfway through the day--You're probably using the device at a higher than normal use.
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This is exactly right. Lithium Ion batteries benefit from smaller and quicker charge/discharge cycles. Actually draining a Li-ion battery to 0% and letting the phone die can decrease the total battery capacity and causes unnecessary damage to the battery. You should never do a "deep-discharge" and full recharge on a Li-ion battery.
Just pull it out of the box and use it, charge it before it hits 0%, and you'll be alright.

Heres another trick
I have done this more than a few times. Does it make a difference? I cannot say with anything more than anecdotal evidence, but I have had noticeable success and the logic makes a certain degree of sense.
Running the battery fully down often is claimed to be detrimental, and I have no reason to doubt that. Doing so once in say, 25 cycles is probably not a bad idea, although it does not do much of anything to capacity. What it does is help calibrate the battery meter. Than I add the following technique to increase the discharge time (run time) of the device:
At whatever point you finally let the battery fully discharge, do this as well:
If you have power saving feature, turn it off to get the job done. When it actually shuts down from being fully discharged, plug in and charge fully with the phone OFF. When the battery reached 100% fully charged take out the plug, wait a minute, and put it back on the charger. It will charge for 5-10 minutes more. NOW remove the plug, boot the phone, and put the plug bag in again (more charging ensues) and repeat one additional time. THIS technique seems to "Stuff" more electrons into the phone (see how scientific my explanation is? Whether I am helping, hurting or having no effect on the batteries longevity i can't say, but I CAN say is that I absolutely see longer cycles for quite some time after doing this.YMMV of course.
Whatever you consider "training" the battery, make 100% sure that the first full charge is indeed that: a FULL charge. This is one point that most documentation agrees upon. Getting the full use of the battery requires a FULL and complete first charge. Since I have no method to trickle charge, I tend to use the device while initial charging completes - I feel like that draws out the process, though why this is better. I can't say.
If only there was a definitive guide. Yes there are points in common among experts (such as running lithium ion fully charged all the time, especially warm, is terrible for them, yet almost all laptop makers let this happen by default when you run it on the charger (there is software to cycle the batteries), and some companies are including versions of this type of utility. Bottom line? batteries are cheap enough, but it's not ABOUT the money - It's about the run time. Heck - if I can't get good run time for a 3100 mA Battery, with a 2 amp charger, I better hang it up!

put the battery in, don't turn on the phone, and charge overnight. I know I know, this is the most difficult part. after that do whatever you like.

You are supposed to run the battery down every now and then(like every few months) What this does is it re calibrates the battery, separate from the android battery stat.
The batteries are tested and filled and drained then charged half way before packaged. A half of a charge is best for storage.
If your batter is dead when you open the box, exchange it. A battery sitting dead is really really bad. I have purchased a psp and some other devices that had DOA batteries and they never hold a charge for very long.
Android is the best I've seen with overcharging. Meaning there is none. The Android OS controls charging and doesn't allow the battery to fry like laptops do when plugged in all the time. I wouldn't worry about it with any Android device. Laptops should not stay plugged in for more than a few hours after full.
Running the battery down to zero (which is really 1-3%) is not "bad" what it really does is use up your charge/discharge cycle. Batteries have a certain number of charge/discharge cycles (like 300 or so) and running from full to dead to full every day will run the battery out faster; rather than charging it at half way or topping it off often.

please read post 11 and ignore anyone else who says anything to the contrary. i race radio control cars, we use lipo batteries, the system has a voltage cut off in the car for a reason. if you run them down too low, the cell will die, and will not take a charge. if you let them sit too long with a low charge, they will die. end of story. they do not need to be fully cycled like the old nicad batteries.
Dave

I say don't worry about it. The battery is replaceable and doesn't cost much. Enjoy your new toy any way you like and put battery worries out of your head.