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Zune 4.7 Download - WP7 Marketplace Live

Just in case anyone was wondering, the Zune client has been updated to 4.7. I don't see any live download links, looks like you need to already have the Zune software installed, and it'll auto-check for updates.
Some nice changes, and the Marketplace for Windows Phone 7 is also live so you can take a look at some of the apps currently available. This just gets me real excited.
That being said, anyone wonder why the Marketplace would be open when no devices are even available. I wonder if devices will be available sooner than we think...
Update: It looks like apps keep getting added and added as time moves on. There were only a handful of apps 10 minutes ago, and now there are a bunch more.
Update 2: Download link! The FULL Zune Client 4.7 package.

Wow, good discovery. Updating now.
edit: Whats strange is a lot of the apps are already reviewed. I dont get it o.o

Aerik said:
Wow, good discovery. Updating now.
edit: Whats strange is a lot of the apps are already reviewed. I dont get it o.o
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Well technically the phone has been in testing/use for months now, so i'm sure those reviews are all from internal testers, developers, and the lucky few who get to test out these devices.

awesome, I will be upgrading my software tonight after work There will be phones available in the US on AT&T by Nov 8 and sooner in Europe I believe.

Does anyone have any word on how the Zune software will check it's location? I have a US Zune Pass for my Zune 80 but I'm currently living in the Netherlands (the pass is run on my American bank account). To get the Zune marketplace to show on my desktop I had to set my computer location in Windows to US.
Now the big question is: will a WP7 phone just believe my american hotmail or will it do some nasty IP checks or SIM code checks? I would love to have my Zune account directly connected to my phone, so I'm guessing this will be the deal breaker for me.

prjkthack said:
Well technically the phone has been in testing/use for months now, so i'm sure those reviews are all from internal testers, developers, and the lucky few who get to test out these devices.
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Yep, got my developer device today.
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Not many apps on the marketplace. How are they suddenly going to have 2000 apps (as stated) on the app store by launch date next week? Confused.

No worries, there are still testing...think about the Netflix, IMDB, Ebay, twitter apps, they are all announced and not there. I think we will see much more 21st ongoing...

tboy2000 said:
Not many apps on the marketplace. How are they suddenly going to have 2000 apps (as stated) on the app store by launch date next week? Confused.
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Many of the apps are still going through the curation process.

Hmm, how do you see the apps? Do you have a device connected?

vangrieg said:
Hmm, how do you see the apps? Do you have a device connected?
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just go to the marketplace and click on apps.

Or if you already have the Zune Player (which I downloaded last week) Windows Update will give you the 4.7 update. I installed it last night.

Omega Ra said:
just go to the marketplace and click on apps.
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Eh, I don't have the marketplace there. At all. And yes, I updated Zune, I have version 4.7.1404.0.

vangrieg said:
Eh, I don't have the marketplace there. At all. And yes, I updated Zune, I have version 4.7.1404.0.
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location: Moscow

RustyGrom said:
location: Moscow
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Yeah, I guess that's the problem. Marketplace is visible on devices here though.

vangrieg said:
Yeah, I guess that's the problem. Marketplace is visible on devices here though.
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What's your country set to in windows? Maybe try changing that and reloading the zune software and see if it works?

Changing Location setting to United States worked, thanks for the great tip!

I think you need to change your computers region to a country where the marketplace is launched, e.g. UK or US.

Installed Zune Software for the first time yesterday.
I like it!

Um, I've had Zune 4.7 for a week now (or more..?).. I just clicked the update button and it did it for me.. so don't know what all the fuss is about. There was about 200 apps when I checked about 4/5 days ago, and as of last count they have 409 apps. Which certainly beats the Zune HD count of like 30 in over 1 year lol.
A few of the app's aren't displaying their picture which is annoying, but it will get there. With 4/5 days left till the launch, I'm not sure if they will get to 2000, but they most certainly are doing a decent job of going about it so far.
Some of the app's look pretty useless, and might never get used, but the xbox live games look GREAT. Can't wait to test this out in a week.
Lack of gaming apps does bother me a bit though.
EDIT: I don't know why but the Zune Software seems a bit sluggish to me now.. it can't be my computer.. its an Alienware so it's fast. Don't know why it lags at times.. it used to be speedy.

[Q] Will manually deployed XAP's get update from the Windows Marketplace?

I've read some other threads (namely http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=908293, which is the Windows Phone Marketplace for Windows PC realeas thread), and I have the following question:
Since we can manually deploy apps with several tools (WP Marketplace for PC, Tom's XAP Deployer, etc.) will those apps become automatically updated (or rather, would we be notified to update them) through the actual Windows Marketplace?
The reason I ask is because I'm just about to get a Samsung Focus, and in preparation, I've downed Chevron tool, registry hacks, TCP view, and all the free XAP apps I want, so that I can just plug my phone in and get mostly everything done at once. However, I'd rather take my time and download the free apps through the actual marketplace if theyre not gonna update automatically. Hopefully no one has answered this question in other forums, cause I've been searching for a while. Hopefully this isn't too nooby of a post. Thank you for your help.

No. No. And No.

yes yes and yes

hmm.. thanks for the answers guys

It give a notification on marketplace, an update can be download but got an error when installing
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So I can't download the update, but it will tell me that its outdated?

VenezuelaDan said:
So I can't download the update, but it will tell me that its outdated?
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that is exactly what will happen
ps: you can download it to , but when it will try to update it will fail .

I believe side-loading bypasses some necessary "registration" steps, which prevents the marketplace from updating applications correctly. This is a great question though, I'll fire this off to Brandon and crew and get back to you.

I honestly hope it can't be, and never can be. Not for your few who will use this legitly, but for those who will install the XAP of pirated software and then update it freely. I know, I always seem like I'm so pessimistic towards this homebrew community, but unfortunately, that's the realistic world...

superaca said:
It give a notification on marketplace, an update can be download but got an error when installing
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Yeah , I got the same Message ...

Chevron WP7 Updater Will Prevent Future Official Updates

According to this article, Updating to NoDo using Chevron WP7 Updater will prevent any official updates to your phone in the future.
http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-warns-chevronwp7-updater-will-prevent-all-future-official-updates/

With such a vague statement from Microsoft, Idk if I should believe it. If it is true, then I am sure a work around will be found

sifon187 said:
With such a vague statement from Microsoft, Idk if I should believe it. If it is true, then I am sure a work around will be found
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I'm sure the good people here at XDA will find a way around it. But still, its disheartening news

Might?
I believe the original article says it "might" put the phone into a state where it cannot receive future updates. Users have reported that they indeed did receive notifications when their carrier was pushing the update (actually MS was pushing the update) and those updates (re-updates of NoDo) went smoothly. I think the jury is out on this and we need to see if there is any validity to the statement from MS which, by the way, I don't think has been "vetted" at all. I would like to see the actual valid source at MS and the evidence. I know that hundreds of AT&T WP7 users will be getting their notifications soon (it appears that you will get the notification even if you have already used Chevron Updater and updated to NoDo) and can try to update and see what happens. I would say that if they perform the official update over the Chevron Update and it works, this is garbage meant to scare people and hide a vulnerability provided through the just released Tools.
IMHO

the update on the original article says:
"could possibly put the updated Windows Phone 7 device into a state where it cannot receive future regular updates to the OS anymore and the only fix will be re-flashing the device with an original stock ROM".
note that it says could and it's not even certain.
If you followed the instructions to get the nodo update w/o the Chevron updater you have a backup though the Zune software you can roll back to if this should become a problem.

Tools
I believe the Tools also provide a "Revert" function. From my readings, this was meant to take you back to 7004.

derausgewanderte said:
the update on the original article says:
"could possibly put the updated Windows Phone 7 device into a state where it cannot receive future regular updates to the OS anymore and the only fix will be re-flashing the device with an original stock ROM".
note that it says could and it's not even certain.
If you followed the instructions to get the nodo update w/o the Chevron updater you have a backup though the Zune software you can roll back to if this should become a problem.
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I'm just glad I didn't use this method to get NoDo.

JamesAllen said:
I believe the original article says it "might"
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I was typing too slow

That's OK
derausgewanderte said:
I was typing too slow
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Like you, I read the article(s) and got the impression that this was speculative and the source was not sufficiently identified. I have been on these forums for years and with these types of indications, time is needed to 1. Vet the source and 2. See the evidence. IF it turns out to be true, it may just be an item in the Diagnostic program or a key in the registry. Too early to panic. Half the stuff that comes out of MS and AT&T is garbage anyway. In this case, they were both embarassed by the ease at which this was accomplished and the fact that the Phone Tools provided the means.

The Chevron updater is using files directly from Microsoft's own servers and program. I honestly, from a pure data standpoint, don't know how future updates can discern phones that have been officially updated vs chevron updated when both use MS bits. I wouldn't worry about the warning. It more so sounds like MS doesn't want you updating outside of carrier approved bits to which I say F THAT.
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Hey even if the block it for you guys... im sure you'll have it on your phone before its release anyway.... LOL....
I know I will

I waited for carrier update notice and after updating, device is still jail broken with no problems. I recommend people just use the legit method when updating to be safe.

I updated with Chevron monday, and the update was pushed by the carrier tuesday. Now I've got the update notification every time I sync my phone with Zune. If I accept it, it go through the update process (approx. 10 minutes), then notify me again the next time I plug the phone! Anyone else has this problem?

fb401 said:
The Chevron updater is using files directly from Microsoft's own servers and program. I honestly, from a pure data standpoint, don't know how future updates can discern phones that have been officially updated vs chevron updated when both use MS bits. I wouldn't worry about the warning. It more so sounds like MS doesn't want you updating outside of carrier approved bits to which I say F THAT.
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My question for you is ... did you finally get an update for your Panther...?

Ok, here is the rolldown.
Complete BS i say to that article claiming the software to Block any future update!
Here is why.
I used the Chevron tool to force the update. The Update workd well.
After restarting my phone, and connecting it again to zune, guess what haoppend?
I got the Update message again!
I Re ran the update through Zune, wich worked fine.
the backup however now shows me the first update i got through chevron updater so in fact the same as NoDo. No going back to pre NoDo with out a complete reflash of the ROM, but hey, why would i want that
So for me, what is stated is just not true!
The Update works, even after using chevron.
My device stayed unlocked as well with unlimited sideload.
No problems so far in using it
Greetings

Wrong thread!

kapanak said:
My question for you is ... did you finally get an update for your Panther...?
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No sir. Waiting on Walshie to release his Chevron.Updater source to see if there's anything we can do to trick the servers into updating us.

fb401 said:
No sir. Waiting on Walshie to release his Chevron.Updater source to see if there's anything we can do to trick the servers into updating us.
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If you know how to reflect you don't need their code, just reflect the support tool and you can determine if that is possible. Also you will notice that this statement (scare) is complete bull****, because the calls are the same used by Zune. (ZuneWmdu.dll)

The way it's worded, I'll bet the MS guys never intended them to be updated this way and don't know what it will do and warned people accordingly. Pretty standard procedure to me.
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Oh No Too Late!
Hey guys,
I read the message too late :-(. What can i do for my Omnia 7? Can i flash it back? Is there a way to get a the original rom back?
Cheers
Seb

Working Registry Editor in Mango?

Do any of them work in mango? I have mango on my hd7 and focus, I did the dehydrate hack on my hd7, and the multitasking is much nicer on there. but i never did on the focus and now I can't get any of the editors to load. I have a legit dev unlocked account.
any help?
thanks.

I reverted to NoDo, applied the dehydration hack and updated again and it worked. I don't think there's another way, at least not yet.

Microsoft block all functions to edit the registery
Only the LG MFG App can acess the registery

Bi-box said:
Microsoft block all functions to edit the registery
Only the LG MFG App can acess the registery
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damn, I don't wanna risk going back to nodo. I didn't save the restore info for the hd7 and i think the focus overwrote it.
Have any of you guys done two phones to mango? If so, did you save your restore data?

I think Heathcliff74 is searching for a solution His work is amazing

andybbtt11 said:
damn, I don't wanna risk going back to nodo. I didn't save the restore info for the hd7 and i think the focus overwrote it.
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If you read the documentation of Mango beta, they told us many times to backup your old backup as they won't be an upgrade path from Mango beta to Mango.

How can I do the dehydrate hack on Mango with the MFG App?
EDIT: Nevermind I just did it

You can do it on an HTC using HTC connection setup and provxml similar how I unlocked mango. And apparently lg's have a built in reg editor that still works in mango.
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reeg420 said:
You can do it on an HTC using HTC connection setup and provxml similar how I unlocked mango. And apparently lg's have a built in reg editor that still works in mango.
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Will you point us to a link from here? Things are little chaotic right now regarding Mango updates and unlocking.

Give me a minute or two... My thread is under wp7 general right at the top...
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here the link to my unlock mango thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1150633
You could add any reg edits you want into the provxml. I have developer unlock,max apps, and prevent unlock but somebody added other stuff to the provxml. The custclear.provxml will stay in the windows directory from nodo to mango. So you dont have to deploy anything during the 7401 update. Other regedits can be done after the fact with a different custclear file.

Thanks. Will have to try later.

I had to fix my live tiles. Every thing still works editing the registry via provxml... xboxmod has a thread called WP7 provxml capabilities that outlines everything. I successfully deleted two registry keys. I can post the provxml for that if anybody needs it.
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Any help on the Samsung focus??? I need a registry editor. My phone got relocked!
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If you read the documentation of Mango beta, they told us many times to backup your old backup as they won't be an upgrade path from Mango beta to Mango.
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can someone else with a focus share their backup image with him?
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Mallux said:
can someone else with a focus share their backup image with him?
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That won't work, back-ups are device specific meaning your can't use a back-up from device a on device b.

I have a backup. But that's exactly it... Its just a backup. Its not mango!
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pdangcil said:
I have a backup. But that's exactly it... Its just a backup. Its not mango!
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Hey,
the fastest way to unlock is of course through the dev unlock tool. but that would be stupid since i guess you're not a dev.
the second, and more prevalent method to unlock right now is:
1) restore to nodo
2) do the htc connection setup + custclear.provxml method.
reeg posted a link to his thread which outlines the method a few posts back in this thread.
merry mango!

"Htc connection setup" only works on htc devices.

yhd4711499 said:
"Htc connection setup" only works on htc devices.
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Samsungs have the Network Profile Tool which does basically the same thing. Only problem being is samsungs dont have access to read/write to the windows directory if Im not mistaken. If we were able to copy the provxml to the windows folder youd be able to edit the registry just like HTC Connection setup.
Heres the thread the xboxmod outlines provxml capablities and wp7. I read that a long time ago and soon as mango relocked itself on my the first time I upgraded that immediately popped in my head. If the custclear.provxml would be deleted/changed/moved during update it wouldnt work but since I still had all my apps I installed I knew it wasnt a full wipe to upgrade but more on the lines of copy and paste with overwriting what it needs to on the phone.
Anyways here the link to xboxmods thread and all the reg tweaks known to wp7.
xboxmod's thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=936235
wp7 reg tweaks also by xboxmod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907971

reeg420 said:
Only problem being is samsungs dont have access to read/write to the windows directory if Im not mistaken. If we were able to copy the provxml to the windows folder youd be able to edit the registry just like HTC Connection setup.
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WP7 root tools by Heathcliff74 gives full read/write access on Samsung devices. And getting the file on the phone shouldn't be a big problem (mass storage, Windows Phone Device Manager, ...)
Edit: And yhd4711499 already posted a nice tutorial:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15311667#post15311667

Carbon Twitter client pulled from the Marketplace??

The other day I was toying around with my 800, and at some point Carbon started giving me an error while refreshing the timeline. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling it, but after removing it I realized I could no longer find it on the Marketplace. This surprised me quite a bit, so I grabbed my gf's 710 and looked for it but no luck, the app was still missing. Can you guys find it on your Marketplace? Maybe it's just a random bug, but it's weird to get it on two different phones I guess. I also tried to reinstall it through the browser but it doesn't work. I just hope the developer hasn't pulled it for some reason because this is possibly my favorite app, I totally can't live without it.

I found Carbon in Marketplace but it says that "This app is not available for your device. Tap here for more info."
After clicking on the "tap here..." it said:
App not available
This might be because your phone software needs to be updated, the app is exclusive to a different mobile provider, or the app is not available in your region.
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The latest user review was on September 21...
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I own a Nokia Lumia 800 and I also tried it with my Dell Venue Pro...
On a side note, if you really need an alternative Twitter client, you can try Twabbit - its been touted in the web as an alternative to Carbon. Dunno though since I'm not really into twitter.

KimWinter said:
I found Carbon in Marketplace but it says that "This app is not available for your device. Tap here for more info."
After clicking on the "tap here..." it said:
App not available
This might be because your phone software needs to be updated, the app is exclusive to a different mobile provider, or the app is not available in your region.
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I own a Nokia Lumia 800 and I also tried it with my Dell Venue Pro...
On a side note, if you really need an alternative Twitter client, you can try Twabbit - its been touted in the web as an alternative to Carbon. Dunno though since I'm not really into twitter.
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Thanks for the feedback. Yeah I somewhat managed to grab a direct link to the app on the marketplace from an app review site, it gets me to the app but then it behaves exactly like yours. I've bought Rowi for now, it's pretty similar to Carbon, not as good as the real thing tho
I'll try to emal the developer anyway, I'd love to know what's going on, I paid for the app after all, so I'm supposed to be able to use it no matter what...I'll post the answer here, just in case someone else is interested.

Damn, it really seems like the Carbon team left WP, this sucks....
http://www.wpcentral.com/carbon-windows-phone-leaving-android-not-looking-back

That's a bummer...I'm curious, will you be getting your money back? I mean you paid nearly $2 for the app and suddenly you now won't be able to use it? Or was it your fault for uninstalling the app so they now owe you nothing?
I'm just asking because I also bought (some fairly expensive) apps on Marketplace. What happens if they suddenly jump ship?

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That's a bummer...I'm curious, will you be getting your money back? I mean you paid nearly $2 for the app and suddenly you now won't be able to use it? Or was it your fault for uninstalling the app so they now owe you nothing?
I'm just asking because I also bought (some fairly expensive) apps on Marketplace. What happens if they suddenly jump ship?
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I guess we're pretty much screwed once it happens...I managed to get my money back for some Android apps when their devs stopped supporting them, but I don't know anything about WP, I'm afraid we won't be as lucky here...
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This really is a huge issue isn't it?
With Apple and Android, once you buy an app you can then back it up to your PC. You "own" that local copy and can use it forever. With WP7 if a developer pulls an app, it's gone permanently if you ever uninstall or reset your phone.
Also this has happened quite a few times with a few different developers. I'm curious as to why they don't just leave it up and available to download, even if it's now unsupported? I can only presume that it's not making enough $$$ cover the annual developer subscription fee, which is weird; he only need to sell roughly 75 copies *yearly* at $1.99 to turn a profit.

Yeah, I thought that with the official Zune software from Microsoft, you can back-up your apps ala iTunes (with iOS apps). I'm using Windows Phone Connector for Mac and it doesn't really make back-ups. Can't we use Skydrive to make back-ups? Finally, we have the purchase history tab on windowsphone.com right? Then we have the option to reinstall an app via that website - I haven't tried it yet though so I cannot really say whether it works or not.
But Microsoft really has to address this issue - otherwise users might feel a bit cheated (even if its only for $0.99)

KimWinter said:
Yeah, I thought that with the official Zune software from Microsoft, you can back-up your apps ala iTunes (with iOS apps). I'm using Windows Phone Connector for Mac and it doesn't really make back-ups. Can't we use Skydrive to make back-ups? Finally, we have the purchase history tab on windowsphone.com right? Then we have the option to reinstall an app via that website - I haven't tried it yet though so I cannot really say whether it works or not.
But Microsoft really has to address this issue - otherwise users might feel a bit cheated (even if its only for $0.99)
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I tried the windowsphone.com method but it only works if the app is still on the Marketplace. It's not even a backup, it's more like a remote access to the Marketplace with the history of your downloads. I really hope Microsoft will offer better app backup solutions in the future, right now I must admit the situation flat out sucks.
I even tried to restore a Zune backup in order to go back at the time when the app was still installed the other day, but apparently it failed because once the phone rebooted nothing had changed. Wtf? Now even Zune starts acting up?
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KimWinter said:
Yeah, I thought that with the official Zune software from Microsoft, you can back-up your apps ala iTunes (with iOS apps)
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Nope. You can make a backup of a system image, but by restoring you lose all your currect settings, newly installed apps and it can't be restored to a new phone.
Skydrive does not offer backups unfortunately.
KimWinter said:
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It appears they have; in WP8 you can back up everything to Skydrive, including what appears to be apps. Unfortunately WP7 is now end of life, so unlikely it will ever be fixed for current users.

Sucks, i thought it had dissapeard after flashing 7.8 but i see its not.