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Best GPS software?

Im wondering which GPS software is best? Right now i have TomTom 7 its good but im still wondering if there are better ones.

Of course iGO8

a subjective question. For every person who says that tomtom is the best, you will find someone saying that Igo is....
decide what is best for YOU and go with it

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a subjective question. For every person who says that tomtom is the best, you will find someone saying that Igo is....
decide what is best for YOU and go with it
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I would have to join the IGO8 camp on this one. I have TomTom as well, but honestly, ever since I installed IGO8 I haven't started TomTom not a single time.
I prefer beautiful IGO graphics and I'm a bit of a sucker for features such as 3D landmark buildings and topographic display of terrain.
The overall experience with IGO8 has been very positive for me.

Well, I would say TomTom 7.9, because of it's ease of use, great functionality and stability, BUT! It misses the feature to record your route. iGO8 CAN do this. Even while navigating, you can record the exact GPS data. So if you decide to take a detour, you can later export the actual route and display it for example on Google Earth.
So, because of this I have to say iGO8.

iGO - eye candy
Route66 - resource intensive. lags in 3d
TomTom - sweet simple to use. fast.
I show off with iGO and prefer TomTom for major travelling.
Anyone tried Garmin? Btw anyone know of maps for India?

I use Co-Pilot 7 on my Touch HD really like it, clean and clear. Didn't like TomTom at all

How do these other units compare with Wayfinder?

I dont need fancy graphics in my GPS. TomTom it is.

Who cares about Eye Candy, are you driving while looking at your iGo or what? iGO was crap just because it didn't have much of the features of TomTom, as people mentioned already, TomTom is popular cause it is simple to use and very very clear.

just one question
do suffer with GPS lag on HD? my HD does.

fastie said:
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do suffer with GPS lag on HD? my HD does.
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Do you mean that its a bit slow with updating your position when youre about to make a turn for example? Mine is sometimes 1-2 second behind my real position. But it doesnt bother me.

i think the most important thing on navigation software is the right voice order where to drive, but more important, in the right moment. i tried lots of different software, but havent found the best yet. igo is very nice, but the voice tells me to turn left when its already too late. and its not lag dependent because the position is right and up 2 date.
so which software has the best voice timing?

str0nz0 said:
i think the most important thing on navigation software is the right voice order where to drive, but more important, in the right moment. i tried lots of different software, but havent found the best yet. igo is very nice, but the voice tells me to turn left when its already too late. and its not lag dependent because the position is right and up 2 date.
so which software has the best voice timing?
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My TomTom has very good voice timing. It tells me well in advance when i should turn and how many meters is left to the turn.

i downloaded co-pilot live you have to get the link from Alk if you have the Touch HD. It's great!

Useless subjective thread. GPS Test shows GPS signals but can't switch views since there is no D-Pad on the HD. You could try AE Button Plus to fix this. But haven't tried that.

Garmin Mobile XT works fine for me....

Anyone know of ANY gps apps with coverage for China? I have searched theres almost no info Tried garmin xt and it isnt useful and china support has been discontinued. The problem is all the commertial sites say like "100 cities in asia".... WHAT CITIES? they dont say Ive found a few but they only cover Beijing. I need map coverage with Pinyin/English. I don't even need fancy 3d. Something like Googlemap but with routing and streets labeled would be perfect. Any help appreciated.

I use Garmin XT and it works great,
no problems,
it even works great on all the cooked Roms i have tried,
and it finds the sats in about 10 to 15 seconds...

Microsoft to Launch Windows Mobile 6.5 on May 11

More infos:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Launch-Windows-Mobile-6-5-on-May-11-109719.shtml
br,
Chris

Any news about when HTC are planing to release 6.5 for our Diamonds?

cyron_at said:
More infos:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Launch-Windows-Mobile-6-5-on-May-11-109719.shtml
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Chris
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Great news, thanks! I can't wait

anyone know whats in it that we dont already have??

sapiora said:
Any news about when HTC are planing to release 6.5 for our Diamonds?
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Never.

mike21pr said:
anyone know whats in it that we dont already have??
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well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?

The biggest improvement is that now, you can control your phone only with your finger, it's more "finger-friendly". No need to have a stylet.
Otherwise, it's only a "graphic" improvement I think...

racerx_ said:
well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?
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Actually I would say that usability has been greatly improved. It's not just a new start menu and a today screen. There are some very nice touches here and there like a much better menu interaction, drop-down lists are improved so that you no longer need to use the stylus, there's a new Internet Explorer which even though it's not as good as Opera it does have some things that might be useful for certain websites...
Oh, there's also the new widget system for small web-based applications (MSN Weather and MSN Finances are good examples) and the new Titanium home screen seems to be highly customizable with plugins that look beautiful and so far seem to work well.
I would say that the main change is that Windows Mobile no longer looks like an outdated PDA and looks more like a modern hi-tech phone without the need of TouchFlo 3D which never got to the deeper parts of the OS.

Anchelspain said:
Actually I would say that usability has been greatly improved. It's not just a new start menu and a today screen. There are some very nice touches here and there like a much better menu interaction, drop-down lists are improved so that you no longer need to use the stylus, there's a new Internet Explorer which even though it's not as good as Opera it does have some things that might be useful for certain websites...
Oh, there's also the new widget system for small web-based applications (MSN Weather and MSN Finances are good examples) and the new Titanium home screen seems to be highly customizable with plugins that look beautiful and so far seem to work well.
I would say that the main change is that Windows Mobile no longer looks like an outdated PDA and looks more like a modern hi-tech phone without the need of TouchFlo 3D which never got to the deeper parts of the OS.
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i guess it's a matter of preference. The main thing i see is that its designed to be much more finger-friendly. But personally the way they did the menus, i find quite annoying and a bit sluggish.. i manage quite well right now without my stylus actually.. In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc. every time some menu takes over your entire screen it slows down the process of entering and selecting data
as far as not looking outdated? i don't know about that. I think looking at what HTC did with TF3D, although not perfect and the iphone interface, microsoft could have done a lot better for their first real facelift of windows mobile.. widgets? yeah but if i needed widgets i'd be using an omnia or a google phone

I tried WM6.5 for a few hours last weekend, hoping to embrace it.
I wasn't used to the home screen as it doesn't provide much information at first look. The menu enhancement is nice, but apparently HTC has it's own which seems to feel better.
The start menu is simply cluttered and feels sluggish. The scroll arrows don't look good either. Anyways.. my conclusion is that HTC seem to do a better job than MS. Perhaps WM7 is what they're spending their efforts in..

thanks cyron_at... yeah i read that yesterday somewhere as well that it's about to get released...
i think it's a great compliment to tf3d... tf3d aims at making the interface finger friendly - however you still find yourself taking out the stylus now and then (specially when behind the scenes in winmo!)... i think 6.5 further reduces the need for this... but its not "officially" coming to our diamonds, so let's c how it goes...

Officially speaking, WM 6.5 isn't supposed to be available on "older" devices (with respect to release date), but that may be subject changes.

racerx_ said:
well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?
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I think it has built-in kinetic scrolling so that 3rd party manufacturers (like HTC) no longer have to write their own implementation. I believe the new IE has built-in support for Flash as well.

racerx_ said:
i guess it's a matter of preference. The main thing i see is that its designed to be much more finger-friendly. But personally the way they did the menus, i find quite annoying and a bit sluggish.. i manage quite well right now without my stylus actually.. In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc. every time some menu takes over your entire screen it slows down the process of entering and selecting data
as far as not looking outdated? i don't know about that. I think looking at what HTC did with TF3D, although not perfect and the iphone interface, microsoft could have done a lot better for their first real facelift of windows mobile.. widgets? yeah but if i needed widgets i'd be using an omnia or a google phone
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Totally agree.

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.. my conclusion is that HTC seem to do a better job than MS. Perhaps WM7 is what they're spending their efforts in..
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Exactly. HTC has done wonders for revamping the old look and feel with winmo.
Interesting to say is that M$ took some ideas from HTC and implemented them in os(shouldn't they be the one to offer innovations?!).
I hope wm7 will be more finger friendly, but as the rumors say we will probably see one more wimmo 6.x iteration (6.7?) before the 7.
I'm really looking forward to see more android based phones and some more improvements of the os itself with a lot more soft(gps like igo for instance).
Resistive screens are really becoming outdated not only do they diminish the "touch" feel compared to capacitive screens but they are a ***** to use in the sunlight.
Cheers.

how's the keyboard in WM6.5, I can't find screenshot of it nor any special talk here about it, is there any keyboard in it at all
also, video call doesn't work yet, right?

cloudedhopes said:
thanks cyron_at... yeah i read that yesterday somewhere as well that it's about to get released...
i think it's a great compliment to tf3d... tf3d aims at making the interface finger friendly - however you still find yourself taking out the stylus now and then (specially when behind the scenes in winmo!)... i think 6.5 further reduces the need for this... but its not "officially" coming to our diamonds, so let's c how it goes...
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for me spb mobile shell 3.0 is very finger friendly an very customize able.

racerx_ said:
In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc.
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Smartphones and PPCs are not business only any more.
If MS only focused on the business market WINMO would disappear, or atleast not develop any further. Phone manufactures are about selling handsets. If the general consumer (who buy more handsets than businesses) are not happy with an OS they will not by that phone.
Not every phone user is techsavy enough to flash updates from websites. They want updates sent to their device in a way that means they have little interaction and risk.
WINMO needs to develop to become a general consumer friendly OS whilst still pandering slightly to the business community. This is what I see happening in 6.5

Apologize for being coock
Windows Mobile 6.5 May Launch Not Likely
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/04/windows_mobile_10.html

Windows Mobile 6.5 ...
... Is only a better version of Windows Mobile 6.1. They changed some graphics and the start menu. But they aren't able to make it like it should be. YOU'LL NEED A STYLET! look at the dropdown menus and the little buttons. How does microsoft thinkt people should use this little items without a stylet?
No sorry , I hope that Winodws Mobile 7 will be better!

Best Working SatNav for Desire?

Looking for turn by turn directions to replace my TomTom. It seems the only option is CoPilot Live?
Anyone seen a working version of iGO My way for Android? Used to have on WinMo and was pretty good. Their site shows lots of details but nowhere to buy (search on google for 'android iGO' and it's the first listing - I can't post URL's yet).

Navigon, Sygic are also options you might want to look at.
Currently using Sygic, but it does not have support for nordic characters æøå, so it makes address typing kinda stupid.

Also try NDrive -- I really liked it.

Nice - more choices than I realised! Anyone have 1st hand experience of them in the UK, i.e. are the post codes up to date?

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Nice - more choices than I realised! Anyone have 1st hand experience of them in the UK, i.e. are the post codes up to date?
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I've played with CoPilot and NDrive -- both worked fine and I found postcodes that I needed. However, I only made one or two trips with each app.

....with GPRS Traffic updates?
Is it only Copilot that supports traffic updates over GPRS?
I find these absolutely necessary in the UK, though Copilot 7 on my THD handles rerouting very poorly indeed and puts me off the software. Is it improved in Copilot 8?

I have Sygic Mobile 10 and Copilot 8 on my Deisre. Both work extremely well. Of the two, I refer Sygic, as the interface is much more TomTom -like, (i.e. virtually identical) and therefore extremely user-friendly.

Try downloading the patched google maps and try out Google Maps Navigation before you actually buy any GPS software.

nubbin, please if you can give some reviews:
- Which one is the fastest for getting satellite lock?
- How about re-routing? Which one is better?
- Is there any GPS lag? The map direction is bit behind the actual situation
Thanks.
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I have Sygic Mobile 10 and Copilot 8 on my Deisre. Both work extremely well. Of the two, I refer Sygic, as the interface is much more TomTom -like, (i.e. virtually identical) and therefore extremely user-friendly.
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I'll review them as soon as I've had a chance to play properly - I only got my phone yesterday afternoon!
I'm just trying the GPS lock - I noticed this morning that it didn't get a fix at all on my drive to work, but from my desk at work it hooks up to GPS satellites almost immediately from "warm". and takes about 20 seconds from cold - much better than my Diamond2, and very quick!
The display is superb, and big enough to look like a dedicated SatNav. I haven't got a car cradle at the moment so I haven't been able to safely assess the accuracy and scrolling speed of the maps, but I imagine with a 1Ghz processor it will be very good. I'll let you know. Personally I prefer Sygic for the user interface.

I have tried almost all of the turn-by-turn navigation soft for Android and ended up with buying a cheap PNA with WinCE and installing iGO on it. iGO for Android still is not official and cannot be bought. If there aren’t very higher requirements (just navigate me from point A to B), almost all of them will do the work. But as soon as you want something specific, you’ll find out no one can match anything more than simple navigation, which Google soon will offer for free everywhere. Probably, I would choose CoPilot if it wasn’t so buggy and if ALK support wasn’t so awful. However, despite the fact I don't test it in a real situation (because of the lack of functionality), Navigon looks as quality made soft and I like its Android integration. It has 30 days trial and at least cost nothing trying it.

When will tom tom release an android version?

Thanks all, good info so far - keep it coming! Nubbin, let us know how you get on trying it out, Sygic looks pretty good.
Somone mentioned Google Maps but my understanding was that it didn't offer turn by turn directions in the UK? I was thinking that having the maps stored locally on the device would also help reduce amount of data sent over the air but this may be negligible?

I quite like waze, the spoken instructions seem better than google navigation but perhaps that is because google isn't properly supported yet.

pilgrim_uk said:
Thanks all, good info so far - keep it coming! Nubbin, let us know how you get on trying it out, Sygic looks pretty good.
Somone mentioned Google Maps but my understanding was that it didn't offer turn by turn directions in the UK? I was thinking that having the maps stored locally on the device would also help reduce amount of data sent over the air but this may be negligible?
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There's a patched version somewhere on XDA which allows navigation in the UK/Europe. Search for it, should be in the G1 forum.

iGO on Android
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iGO for Android still is not official and cannot be bought.
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iGO on my THD is by far my favourite SatNav despite it not having Traffic Updates in the UK. I asked the question about iGO My way 8 for Android on PocketGPSWorld a few days ago. MaFt was able to provide an answer. Apparently Navngo (which is a Hungarian company) is only providing "white label" Android software to OEMs, thus Samsung can install it on the Galaxy Spica and probably where it's been lifted from to be made available to the community via illegitimate routes. Though there are other methods of getting software sold to Android owners, as proven by Sygic, PGPSW surmise that their chief reason for not making it available is that Google ban apps in Android Market from East European countries.
I wrote to Navngo but typically didn't get a response (I NEVER do!) and I also wrote to HTC about whether in the absence of their SatNav partner, TomTom, on the Android platform they'd consider providing iGO instead. I did get a timely response from them but it was utterly useless ...a stock reply saying they cannot provide support for this third part application ...DUH!! That wasn't the question I asked!!
Anyhow, reading comments about iGO My way 8 on the N1 it seems that, though it runs, the GUI has only been formatted for the Galaxy Spica's 320x480 resolution and so only appears in the top corner. My recollection is that this was the case on the THD too before the theme developers got hold of it and reformatted it. Not too long later Navngo released it for the THD looking exactly the same as the developers work.
...iGO still doesn't have traffic updates in the UK(*) though - and they wouldn't reply to the email I sent them about that either!
*iGO only accepts traffic updates via RDS-TMC (no GPRS) and RDS-TMC in the UK is an encrypted, OEM subscription only service thus it's only available to TomTom owners and OEM fit in-vehicle SatNavs, and isn't received by HTC's on-board FM radios either so requires an external receiver (i.e. RoyalTek). RDS-TMC is free and freely available in Europe. I daren't suggest to HTC that they provide support for it in future - I don't know what response I'll get!!

pilgrim_uk said:
Nubbin, let us know how you get on trying it out, Sygic looks pretty good.
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Had a bit of a drive with the phone stuck in the cup holder. Used Sygic and CoPilot and both worked extremely well. No visible lag to either, and very nice smooth scrolling of the maps. in fact the little blue pointer was spot on even at higher speeds. Clearly the fast CPU in the Desire works well in making the map refresh. The maps are very clear and easy to read. If anything it works better than a dedicated PNA such as a TomTom.
I really need a proper car cradle now. Any ideas, anyone?

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Thanks for that info! I really didn’t know that iGO does not support TMC in UK and I was regretting about recent PNA buy, because it has not a TMC receiver. Even I considered changing it for that.
Anyway, I have tried “leaked” version on my current device and since it has 320x480 screen there is not a problem with resolution. But actually I weren’t very impressed from iGO for Android. It requires a huge amount of free internal memory and with Qualcomm 512MHz it was very, very sluggish. In addition this is the “My Way” version, which is not so features rich as 8.3.x.
However, iGO for WinCE/WM remains the best Sat Nav solution in my opinion. It's much better than garmin, tom-tom, navigon, ndrive, sygic and all others, in terms of features, customization, speed, interface, reliability, speed cameras alerts and routing. I'm still hoping that they are going to improve the Android version as well, because I prefer not to carry different devices for every single task

Can I use my Co-Pilot Live 8 License from my old HD2 on a Android phone?

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Can I use my Co-Pilot Live 8 License from my old HD2 on a Android phone?
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Another user on the forum said he did exactly that; contact the company and they 'transferred' the license.

[Q]the Best navigation for Desire HD

What navigation is the best for Desire HD?
I have IGO8 on my HD2 and i could not ask for a better navigation, i simply LOVE it! tried IGO for Android on my Desire HD, and i almost fell off my chair. WTF is that? not even close to the Windows version
So, what navi is most simular to IGO8 on Desire HD?

I use Sygic Aura

I have just downloaded Sygic Aura, and it looks very nice.
but where can i find the map version? and i dont see any speedcams on the map. is it using fresh maps?
Anyone else knows of a good navi, let me know

I'm afraid I don't know IGO8, so can't compare other apps to it. But when I got my DHD 3 months ago, I tried all the sat nav paid apps available on the market at the time. (This was back when you could try for 24 hours.) I also read all the online reviews I could find.
In the end, for me, the choice boiled down to CoPilot and Navigon MobileNavigator. I preferred Navigon - the display was cleaner and easier to read, and it seemed to calculate better routes. CoPilot had more options, but they were options I didn't really need. CoPilot was also cheaper.
However Navigon didn't work well with my BlueAnt S4 bluetooth handsfree car speakerhone. The voice came out of both the phone and the handsfree at the same time. I wrote to Navigon about it, but they said that they couldn't support all different bluetooth devices. So I went with CoPilot, and I've been reasonably happy with it.
However a few weeks later the developer of an app call CarUI fixed the Navigon bluetooth problem - if you used CarUI to start Navigon, the sound only came out of the handsfree speaker. Don't know why Navigon couldn't do the same thing (unless they have by now).
CoPilot is fine, and I only really use sat nav from time to time, so it's probably a good thing that I chose the cheaper option. But I really did like the look of Navigon, it's work checking out.
Hope that helps.

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What navigation is the best for Desire HD?
I have IGO8 on my HD2 and i could not ask for a better navigation, i simply LOVE it! tried IGO for Android on my Desire HD, and i almost fell off my chair. WTF is that? not even close to the Windows version
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I know what you mean - the Adroid version of iGO is awful - jerky and those clunky sounds .
I've just been using HTC's Premium Navigator with downloaded maps. Although it said it would be a 30 day trial it's still going strong at twice that - looks like my licence is good until June!
For my needs, it's smooth and accurate enough.

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I've just been using HTC's Premium Navigator with downloaded maps..
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Does that work okay for UK postcodes now? I tried it in November, but found the postcode search wasn't very good - it only had a partial list of postcodes - my own road wasn't in it.

i have:
Sygic 10
NDrive
IGO
Sygic Aura
Navigon
i thought i try all them out and i like Sygic 10 the best so far

Thanks guys! i'll check out Navigon and CoPilot.

Recommend checking out these threads if you haven't already:
Here is a useful poll and some comments from other users about Navigation Software:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=874988
Here are Dazultra and my reviews of different SatNav solutions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=902264

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Recommend checking out these threads if you haven't already:
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Very interesting reading, thanks! I was relieved to see people saying similar things to my findings - Navigon comes out well for routes, and Contacts integration (I forgot to mention that above), but the interface could be improved (although I liked that it was clean and uncluttered). I really would have stuck with it if it wasn't for the BlueAnt handsfree problem.
CoPilot's interface is cluttered and it's routes aren't as good. I think they may have added Contacts integration now, I'll check next time I'm using it.
I don't think iGO was available when I was testing. I did try Sygic, but didn't get on well with it, I don't remember the details now. Of course testing for 24 hours isn't very easy, I think I only tested each one on the drive to work and back.
I only use sat nav occasionally, so CoPilot is good enough for me for now, but if Navigon ever fix the bluetooth issue I had with my handsfree, or if I had to rely on it on a daily basis, I'd possibly switch back.
I found TomTom on my iPhone was pretty good - better than my old Garmin satnav. It's a shame TomTom don't make an android app.

For the moment i'm using iGO and Navigon on my Desire HD
Navigon Mobile Navigator v3.5.3
But is Q1.2010 the newest maps for navigon? its seems outdated as it not even showing a roundabout and a road that was build over a year ago where i live. my iGO maps, which are 2010.09 is showing this. i have seen Q4.2010 maps for navigon an another forum, but for MN V7.
why is 3.5.3 stuck with outdated maps?
EDIT: Navigon freshmap says Q3, but but my phone says Q1. it still misses that roundabout and that road.

Navigation
Hi, i'm using Navigon 3.5, gives you traffic and alternative routes. Zip code and Poi's(also grapic) navigation.
As a former Tomtom user i'm quite happy.
Cheers,
Jim

CO-Pilot is working fine for me so far. Been around most of europe, never failed on me once. A good buy even though a little expensive.

Getting my DHD soon, but for now I have Co-Pilot on my Streak.
I have always had TomTom on my many Windows Mobile devices, and I loved it. On the move to Android however I had to leave TomTom behind for Co-Pilot which isn't at all as good unfortunately, but it does the job well.
The maps and program for Co-Pilot is widely available for free if you know where to look.

could i ask whats wrong with the google navigation thats free? not in a rude way just wondering the difference and why people dont use it

rosswaa said:
could i ask whats wrong with the google navigation thats free? not in a rude way just wondering the difference and why people dont use it
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lets start with the bad things...
- no offline navigation
- unlimited dataplan useful
- no data connection with active phonecalls
- problems (of course) with lost data connection
- not very accurate when you got big crossings/streets with several lanes to take. Other software offer you some kind of assistance what lane to take
good things...
+ free! (except for data costs)
+ nice extras like sat pics
+ very good working with all google search results (POI always up to date/web)
+ traffic information always very accurate (at least in my area Frankfurt/Germany)
why do i use google?
- i got unlimited dataplan
- maps with actual versions are saved to some maps puffer. usually phone calls are not a problem
- coz its free and no matter what I search, I find it on google

My last phone was HTC HD2 with Tomtom it was just perfect!!
But Know i have the Desire Hd the things i need to know!! and i think i what to use the Copilot but is it also for Offline Use ??
And if i download it from internet do i have to look for a some kind of version!!
Same as by the HD2 ??
Ps. why does nobody have screenshort or a tut.movie that would be nice!!
Greetz Mark from Holland

Android on HD7 (This is 100% real)

I can't believe that its already happened but The HD7 has gotten an android port.
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/htc-hd7-gets-android-via-cooked-chinese-rom-video

Pretty slick. I would love to see Android on my LG Quantum. lol
My main issue w/ WP7 is that the APIs/apps don't exist ( sockets for 1 ) for doing things like streaming video ( a la orb ) and offline gps navigation.

ycavan said:
Pretty slick. I would love to see Android on my LG Quantum. lol
My main issue w/ WP7 is that the APIs/apps don't exist ( sockets for 1 ) for doing things like streaming video ( a la orb ) and offline gps navigation.
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What are you talking about? You can easily stream video to a WP7 device. Same goes for offline navigation.

Is it real 100% ?
Because they didn't provide any method and this a month of April fool day,
and one more.. how did they do it with what HSPL ??
Source of this video : XDA.CN

try setting up orb & go to mycast.orb.com, login & try to stream anything... ie on wp7 refuses to play any container, even asx files.
& offline nav... which offline nav app have you found in the Marketplace? Right now, I use TomTom 7 on my wm 6.5 phone. I also have A-to-B on my Quantum, but that is not an offline solution.
Navigon has to be side-loaded ( 'cause I have yet to find North American Navigon ) and then tricked into downloading NA maps from a local web server... so not very legit there.
Don't get me wrong, I do like Netflix and Facebook integration in wp7... I'm just irritated that this device was handicapped w/ the lack of APIs for normal daily stuff.

ycavan said:
Don't get me wrong, I do like Netflix and Facebook integration in wp7... I'm just irritated that this device was handicapped w/ the lack of APIs for normal daily stuff.
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It has nothing to do with API's being missing - all the API's you need (for these two purposes) are there. If I'm not mistaken there are a few Orb clients in the works - but my point was that you can stream to WP7 just fine. Heck, you can stream directly from your Media Center PC at home over 3G if you set it up right.
As for Navigon - you're correct, it's exclusive to TMODE, but the app exists and works just fine, again showing you that all the API's are infact there. The only non-standard APIs Navigon use are those to identify your IMEI and IMSI, which would not be needed were the app not exclusive in the first place.

I'd rather see WP7 ported to Android phones than the other way around. The hardware is so much better on the Android side, I'm not sure why anyone would ever want to do this.

Why would anyone want to downgrade the OS??

I love my hd7....but I would like to see this come to life. Fingers crossed.

^^^ I wouldn't necessarily call it a downgrade... More like a 2nd option. I wouldn't mind having it.
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krjcook said:
^^^ I wouldn't necessarily call it a downgrade... More like a 2nd option. I wouldn't mind having it.
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Exactly.
Kinda like having windows 7 and Ubuntu dual boot...kinda

I'll say do I want android
I stopped developing for HD2 android to get wp7...I don't want to go back. Period

I would love to have this as an option. I'd still primarily use WP7 but it'd be great to duel boot and be able to use Android when I need or want something that is not yet available for WP7. I'd love it just to play Abduction! World Attack and for Google Nav.

I would love to be able to put android on my hd7.
Please give me more options guys!
Thanks!

Eww. I'd rather be able to dual boot WM6.5.3. Android is just a rip off of iPhone and WM6.5 anyways...

eternalemb said:
Eww. I'd rather be able to dual boot WM6.5.3. Android is just a rip off of iPhone and WM6.5 anyways...
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Which both ripped off of Palm OS (aka Garnet OS).

Please explain how Windows Mobile ripped off Garnet OS or any Palm Product...
Nevermind... You can't.

Don't see how this is possible without HSPL or Haret, he probably just put an HD7 front side case on some Android device.
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how the hell did you guys go from Android on an HD7 to the same old idiotic "oh man WP7 sucks, WP7 is awesome, WM6.5.x sucks, Palm is awesome"
this has nothing to do with any of that garbage.

$5 says this thread will soon be full of the usual suspects bashing WP7 and its missing features.

orangekid said:
Don't see how this is possible without HSPL or Haret, he probably just put an HD7 front side case on some Android device.
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how the hell did you guys go from Android on an HD7 to the same old idiotic "oh man WP7 sucks, WP7 is awesome, WM6.5.x sucks, Palm is awesome"
this has nothing to do with any of that garbage.
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its possible they used jtag for this...