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Im beginning to think that xda-developers.com server(s) is going on their knees. The forum is responding bad and lags sometimes.
I wondering why, and looked further down. A big block of usernames taking up my whole screen seems to be the answer. With about ~6000 users online, I think both the connection, database server and the forum server(s) hardware are going on their maxs, I can just imagine that the server are receiving like 3000-4000 HTTP hits/second in total... And thats pretty high load.
I have a suggestion: Why not split the forum into 2 forums, and the split is done in a way so both forums is about "equally" popular. This means the forum can be split on 2 servers too with separate databases. (Like forum1.xda-developers.com and forum2.xda-developers.com)
So the first forum could have the most popular forums, and the second forum could have the rest.
This to make performance at xda-developers.com better.
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Why don´t you better do a donation!!
That way owners can manage any overload
We have more than 1 server you know .
Dave
Well it seems bad. Is it because I'm from Kansas and the server is overseas? It can take up to like five or ten seconds for a page to even begin to load.
Strength in Numbers
I think that a forum split wouldn't benefit the xda site as a whole. There are a lot of benefits from working together, and you never know how many rom, stack, or radio problems have been solved from developers looking into issues mentions on other phones and collaborating with other developers. There could be a invaluable amount of networking loss and communication loss between xda-users and providers in splitting the forum into 2 databases.
yeah, well. something must be done though, because the site is responding very slow, and sometimes not at all..
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yeah, well. something must be done though, because the site is responding very slow, and sometimes not at all..
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Well, there's some work planned
Dave
Recently we've been the target (via PM and email) of a coordinated effort by some users to get XDA to add an iPhone forum. This intensified a bit recently with the "jailbreaking is legal" news that came out a few weeks ago. We also recently “lost” a behind-the-scenes guy at XDA to the iPhone (someone who had donated countless hours to helping with site development and bug fixes).
Despite his pleading, some of the mods and I decided earlier this month that xda-developers is NOT the place for detailed iPhone discussion. There's just too much going on here. XDA is still digesting the move to add non-HTC WinMo/Android devices. And the site is just too darn big already!
With all that said: many of you know that we also own the iPhone-Developers.com domain. It was purchased years ago—mostly as a joke. Now, with the maturation of the iPhone community (in particular, the independent developer and jailbreak community) we are going to dust it off and launch an XDA sister site. The goal is to try to replicate the XDA feel while keeping XDA itself free of iPhone-related clutter. We see it as a win/win for everyone (iPhone lovers and haters alike). The aim of the site is to demystify jailbreaking and to make iPhone development more mainstream. Millions of people have benefited from the development work that has taken place at XDA over the last decade, and we want to bring these same benefits to iPhone owners.
If you are excited by this move, please keep your expectations in check: The site will be totally separate from XDA (separate mods, servers, everything) and will probably be somewhat "Wild West" to start out (like XDA in the early years). We have assigned a new admin—the former XDA tech volunteer referenced above. His user name is Arbre, and he also is doing all the tech development for the site. He hopes to have it launched (at least in beta form) in September.
We are looking for a few people to help get things started in the new forums. If you’ve got any jailbreak/development experience on the iPhone and want to help out just PM Arbre and he’ll get in touch with you when we’re closer to a beta launch.
PM'd him already
Is there anyway to make a poll to see if anyone else is interested to the success of iphone-developers.com?
I already feel as though making another forum for iphone users is redundant since there is already tons of other ones light-years ahead on the web.
Think about how many successful "xda" look-a-likes are out there **Coughs... htc-pedia** <<-- NotMuch.
I just don't think it will be worth the effort, to be honest. Is there another thread where others are discussing this?
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Is there another thread where others are discussing this?
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Looks like nobody cares.
lemonspeakers said:
Is there anyway to make a poll to see if anyone else is interested to the success of iphone-developers.com?
I already feel as though making another forum for iphone users is redundant since there is already tons of other ones light-years ahead on the web.
Think about how many successful "xda" look-a-likes are out there **Coughs... htc-pedia** <<-- NotMuch.
I just don't think it will be worth the effort, to be honest. Is there another thread where others are discussing this?
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Maybe you're right. But the launch of the site has been totally funded by a donor. We hope we create a somewhat unique vibe over there. But if not, then it hasn't hurt anyone.
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Is there anyway to make a poll to see if anyone else is interested to the success of iphone-developers.com?
I already feel as though making another forum for iphone users is redundant since there is already tons of other ones light-years ahead on the web.
Think about how many successful "xda" look-a-likes are out there **Coughs... htc-pedia** <<-- NotMuch.
I just don't think it will be worth the effort, to be honest. Is there another thread where others are discussing this?
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As the one who is actually building and running iphone-developers, I can tell you that for me it is definitely worth the effort. To even have the chance at creating something like xda for the iphone is incredibly exciting.
The only reason I got svetius and the site owners to consider this project in the first place was because of the number of requests we've gotten to add iphone forums -- it turns out a lot of xda users have iphones, and many have even switched altogether. Creating a new site for these people makes a lot of sense (to me at least).
Plus, as svetius said, there is really nothing to lose by trying. I'm the one bearing all of the work, and if you're not interested in apple products then xda will be the exact same as usual
-- Arbre
I'm just wondering if you are going to bridge the two sites together, so that registered on one is registered on the other etc.
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I'm just wondering if you are going to bride the two sites together, so that registered on one is registered on the other etc.
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I doubt it...he said they will be completely separate, including separate servers etc...
I'm not an iphone person at all, but sounds like it will be very successful, with the xda name behind it!
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I'm just wondering if you are going to bride the two sites together, so that registered on one is registered on the other etc.
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That is a great question. I hope that this is possible. This way it also retains our reputation instead of starting from scratch while claiming that you are so and so.
Excelent news!!!!
I'm slowly porting my apps (adding some more bling) to the iPhone with flash CS5, only made a beta of flashlight so far, but was hopping for the greatness of a XDA forum-like to "bind" all scatered users out there, in a way that only XDA can.
Cant wait for it...
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Is there anyway to make a poll to see if anyone else is interested to the success of iphone-developers.com?
I already feel as though making another forum for iphone users is redundant since there is already tons of other ones light-years ahead on the web.
Think about how many successful "xda" look-a-likes are out there **Coughs... htc-pedia** <<-- NotMuch.
I just don't think it will be worth the effort, to be honest. Is there another thread where others are discussing this?
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There are of course many other iPhone sites around as indeed there are for WM / Android etc. Included in that there is also a range of good and poor quality. However, we often talk about our "Community" here at xda-devs and this combined with good quality content is what defines a good forum site. Creating, the right atmosphere combined with quality content is what will also make or break a new iPhone site. It really doesn't matter about the volume of other sites if you can create a better feel in a new site people will move.
We should also not forget that there has been a 200% rise in the smartphone market over the past year and 93% of that has come from the iPhone. Consequently there is a vast and ever increasing number of potential members who have not established a loyalty to already existing sites.
Good luck to Arbre in getting this going, though I'm sure he doesn't need it
Mike
I'm very interested as I have recently seen the light and ditched WinMo on my Tilt 2 for the iPhone 4
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That is a great question. I hope that this is possible. This way it also retains our reputation instead of starting from scratch while claiming that you are so and so.
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We're trying to link the user databases of XDA and iPhone-Developers so that if you want, you can transfer your XDA account.
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That is a great question. I hope that this is possible. This way it also retains our reputation instead of starting from scratch while claiming that you are so and so.
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We're trying to link the user databases of XDA and iPhone-Developers so that if you want, you can transfer your XDA account.
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It is defiantly possible, and several sites exist today that show off that ability. I am glad you are looking into the option, as that will boost the amount of people who are active there.
Looking forward to seeing this go live! Hopefully it will encompass the same community feel that XDA has nurtured and grown
Plus if XDA members who are interested in the iPhone also register with the IPD forum, we will bump into members with whom we may already be acquainted So we will have a ready made 'starting' community!
This actually sounds like a great idea, imagine the development that will come out of this
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This actually sounds like a great idea, imagine the development that will come out of this
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That's kinda the idea
soon we will have android on the iphone 4 cuz of xda members
and yes i know android is there for iphone 3g
What a great news
Excelent news!!!!
Since i bought my iphone, i no longer visit xda developers but now everything will be diferent.
Can´t wait
This is GREAT news!
Hello everybody, I'm Saad from Windows Phone Daily and I thought it'd be worth sharing a concept I worked up last night and published this morning to the site.
It's actually in response to the editorial I read in WMPoweruser from Malcolm.Williams in which he pointed out many potential issues in Mango's Threads feature. I was pretty compelled by the idea of improving the feature, so I decided to pretty up his own concept. Instead I ended up with something a little more complex with more features than I thought I would include
Anyway to make a long story short, I noticed many comments about the iffy Threads implementation and so I did something about it. The pictures are pretty large so I can't upload them here, but please feel free to check it out at the site and leave us a comment there or here about what you think!
http://windowsphonedaily.blogspot.com/2011/06/how-to-fix-threads-in-mango-concept.html
So, do you like my approach or Microsoft's? (Tell me honestly!)
I Am Honestly don't like your concept. The pivot implementation just doesn't feel the regular pivots (bigger fonts for each pivot). And I read the article on wmpoweruser too, I feel like the author was trying to create a problem that wasn't there. I for sure dont care much about where the message was from ot sent to as long as the conversation flows. Plus, I believe in mango, you can see which platform you are currently chatting on that's all it matters.
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Nice concept.
I like that concept!
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I Am Honestly don't like your concept. The pivot implementation just doesn't feel the regular pivots (bigger fonts for each pivot). And I read the article on wmpoweruser too, I feel like the author was trying to create a problem that wasn't there. I for sure dont care much about where the message was from ot sent to as long as the conversation flows. Plus, I believe in mango, you can see which platform you are currently chatting on that's all it matters.
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I agree & disagree, I see no problem with the way it is, but this concept does add a nice feature too.
Thats exactly what we propesed in the other thread.
I would rather make the pivot text big and than have the name as the title so you keep it in line with the default panorama controls (check email hub or marketplace to see how the design should be http://newsziphone.buyer.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/WP7-Marketplace-Apps-300x291.jpg instead of ALL --> FIRSTNAME LASTNAME).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abZxFxk-rtQ&feature=player_embedded
here is a good video about it.
The main concern is the frequency in which IM's are delivered and that people use SMS for more important stuff like adresses and meeting times. If those get rapidly sunk in all the high frequent IM's comming in, the average consumer will switch the feature off or will be annoyed by trying to find this address back.
And switching with pivots will prevent you from opening a selection menu, it will keep the user experience streamlined and on the same level. It will be more pleasant and quicker to use and/or find the information you need.
I like the concept of the pivot feature but it does not look quite right as people have said, really good idea though and I hope they implement something like it.
I totally should've asked you to PhotoShop that!
Again a lot of ideas to toss around the swimming hole, so to speak. Its surprising to find a more intelligent discussion of it on xda though...but again it is also why it is xda DEVELOPERS and not USERS
Again, I never said in the article that a unified messaging hub is a bad idea. Heck I was impressed and as a user anyone would be impressed. But Microsoft has this thing of good idea, poor implementation. That's not to say that the current implementation is poor, but like everything, there is room for improvisation. I think a pivot is far easier than going through an option menu and in the options there should be far more filtering available.
The people I have multiple contact information with, I don't use the same mannerisms or speech. Frankly if I have a SMS conversation with someone, I won't be discussing the same thing on MSN or vice versa. Chances of me myself switching a conversation due to availability is great, but what about users who keep those identities separate? There is still freedom for me to do as such, but wouldn't it be far easier than punching through a setting?
I was recently pondering this question of "Why are there so many lackluster apps on the marketplace?" while I was looking into improvements for my app.
It really does seem that there are only a hundred or so, really inspiring Metro based apps on the WP7 marketplace, and Im not sure why. Even many of the developers who are active with their apps have truly un-inspiring visual apps, or downright stripped functionality. Im not sure why, granted you see a similar pattern with Android, which from what I can tell is much worse, but WHY? These developers are just one-off releasing apps, they are most commonly very active.
Just thought I would see if anyone had any input on this.
Its like that on all market places. Did you think there was over 500,000 aw inspiring apps?
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How many things
I have pondered the high number of apps for quite some time as well, but I approached it from another angle:
Think about it like this: How many different things can you possibly do with a smartphone? Well, quite a lot, obviously, but interestingly as soon as I start to enumerate, I run into problems to continue pretty soon. Maybe I can name 100 different things to "do" with a smartphone.
Now, say I forget a lot of things, and other people do other things than me anyway, and there will be new things that nobody has thought of so far, so let's take this times 10 and proclaim that you can use a smartphone for a full one thousand different things. (I would really love to see this list.)
If you cover each thing with, say, 10 different apps, so people have choice and can take the app the like, and there is healthy competition, we arrive a grand total number of 10'000 apps that make sense - ever. Anything beyond that is simply too much.
If you think 1'000 things to do with your smartphone is way too low I would challenge you to list 1'000 things that you do in your daily life, overall and in general, with your smartphone or otherwise - our lives are quite interesting, but there are limits of what we all do.
Ok, now let's be generous and throw in 50'000 different games which are not subject of things that must make sense, after all you can just invent and invent new variants of games.
That absolute upper limit of 60'000 apps or so is pretty low compared with the contents of the app stores, isn't it?
^ it is low, but you have to add in the different region apps too, different languages, and all of their variations. Thus the huge number of apps.
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I have pondered the high number of apps for quite some time as well, but I approached it from another angle:
Think about it like this: How many different things can you possibly do with a smartphone? Well, quite a lot, obviously, but interestingly as soon as I start to enumerate, I run into problems to continue pretty soon. Maybe I can name 100 different things to "do" with a smartphone.
Now, say I forget a lot of things, and other people do other things than me anyway, and there will be new things that nobody has thought of so far, so let's take this times 10 and proclaim that you can use a smartphone for a full one thousand different things. (I would really love to see this list.)
If you cover each thing with, say, 10 different apps, so people have choice and can take the app the like, and there is healthy competition, we arrive a grand total number of 10'000 apps that make sense - ever. Anything beyond that is simply too much.
If you think 1'000 things to do with your smartphone is way too low I would challenge you to list 1'000 things that you do in your daily life, overall and in general, with your smartphone or otherwise - our lives are quite interesting, but there are limits of what we all do.
Ok, now let's be generous and throw in 50'000 different games which are not subject of things that must make sense, after all you can just invent and invent new variants of games.
That absolute upper limit of 60'000 apps or so is pretty low compared with the contents of the app stores, isn't it?
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1:Manage your bank account....how many different banks are out there.
2:Follow your local news....how many tv station, radio station, newspapers.
3:Follow your favorite sports team...how many teams out there.
4:Manage you reservations....for every hotel, rental car, airline.
5:Stream video....from every network, internet service, cable/satellite provider, your own network at home.
Now, how many tens of thousands of apps would it take just to cover those 5 functions that you can do with your smartphone?
Millions of apps
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Now, how many tens of thousands of apps would it take just to cover those 5 functions that you can do with your smartphone?
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Yeah, I know, let me guestimate that there are maybe 10'000 large cities on this planet. Then you have 10'000 "Map of City x" apps, plus another 10'000 "Public Transport Time Table for City x", and again 10'000 "Coming Events in City x", and on and on.
Of course this brings up all kinds of questions, e.g. whether it really makes sense to turn all these things into an app where a website would perfectly do, but anyway, I concede you have a point.
I developped the habit to check all the new apps that appear in the Marketplace daily, and of course I see many apps of this type appear, but in my estimate at least half of the apps are just "garbage".
And what really makes me sad: Usually many days pass until I find a new app that really surprises me, an app with a real idea if you know what I mean, where somebody found something new - a rare gem of creativity. All that time spent building apps, what must amount to man centuries even, and then this meager result - it's a shame.
It's a growing thing. When Android and iOS were first released, there weren't many lackluster applications for awhile. Currently, developers are just trying to get everything on Windows Phone 7 that is already on Android and iOS...to include tools, games, instant messaging platforms, etc. Once they've caught up, then the developers will start using creativity.
It's not really a problem, just give it time
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It's a growing thing. When Android and iOS were first released, there weren't many lackluster applications for awhile. Currently, developers are just trying to get everything on Windows Phone 7 that is already on Android and iOS...to include tools, games, instant messaging platforms, etc. Once they've caught up, then the developers will start using creativity.
It's not really a problem, just give it time
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Don't you think its due to lack of API restricted by MS that not want to allow developer to work on!!
Just me maybe but i hardly even look at the market anymore.
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Well I rather lackluster apps than the other side of things shown here. Kind of explains why if you do not have one of the really popular Android phones why you may see more force closes than someone holding a SGS2.
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Don't you think its due to lack of API restricted by MS that not want to allow developer to work on!!
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I totally agree with the API restrictions. It has kept me from making an app i really want to but on the other hand I as a developer feel that having eye candy in your app is a must. My specific type of apps for WP7 make the Android and iPhone users jealous as they dont have eye candy apps in that genre in their marketplaces. Also a lot of devs try to push many apps out for the money. Like if you include ads in your apps. The more apps the revenue you can earn as its a numbers game. So i think they rush on the design part.
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Its like that on all market places. Did you think there was over 500,000 aw inspiring apps?
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^This. Is there any objective evidence the amount of dross in the MSFT app store is any more than any other OS' app store?
People like to see their name in lights. It's as simple as that. Someone barely cobbles together an app with their meager programing skills and uploads it just to see their name in the app store.
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^This. Is there any objective evidence the amount of dross in the MSFT app store is any more than any other OS' app store?
People like to see their name in lights. It's as simple as that. Someone barely cobbles together an app with their meager programing skills and uploads it just to see their name in the app store.
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Apple apply quality control on submitted apps. They will reject any apps that are buggy, crash or which don't serve a useful purpose. They are notoriously strict, causing quite a few famous publishing issues.
Mean while, Microsoft also have a submission possess, but not sure what it actually does? I remember reading on here about as developer that submitted 6 WP7 apps, that all just displayed a block on screen (each app was a different colour) and they all got published. A paid appstore should be no place for test apps; It's almost like MS don't care, and just want to boost their numbers..
Android market has no QA; anyone can submit anything. Most wild-west like app-store, but stuff doesn't get pulled off the store randomly like the above two.
^ you're joking about Apples QC right? That has got to be joke of the day.
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Just me maybe but i hardly even look at the market anymore.
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pretty the same here. For quite some time now I have found all the apps I need and I only look for new ones (or alternatives f.e. different twitter apps etc.) very rarely, maybe when "super new, awesome app blabla" is featured on some news website.
The majority of apps I use work fine and aren't "lackluster". Just 3 or 4 I wish they would make improvements/alternative app.
Of course there are many not so good apps in the marketplace but thats a problem of every device, not even only phones. just look how much crappy software or games are available for pc.
A couple of keyboard mods I've downloaded from XDA have had a stupid amount of unnecessary permissions, they were deleted with haste.
There will be bad people on here, that's life, so who too trust?
Is a 'Recognized Contributor' XDAs seal of approval?
ROM Devs could be putting anything in their work, I can't read code so don't know, but others do, so I tend to stick with devs that openly publish their work (wasn't that the idea) & appear to have the respect of others in the community.
I hope this will keep me safe-ish.
If anyone has any advice about safety on XDA I'd like to hear what you think.
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Usually you can trust almost anyone on XDA. Most malicious people will have been banned or had their posts deleted. Any titled member (RCs, RTs, RDs, mods, admins etc.) can certainly be trusted and so can the vast majority of people who share any sort of work on here.
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This is what I do to be safe on xda, I look at the OP of the mod/rom/etc's other threads first to see what he/she had done in the past and if all is good, then I use away. If the OP doesn't have any history on here I usually wait a bit for others to give feedback and if all is good, then I use away.
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Usually you can trust almost anyone on XDA. Most malicious people will have been banned or had their posts deleted. Any titled member (RCs, RTs, RDs, mods, admins etc.) can certainly be trusted and so can the vast majority of people who share any sort of work on here.
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Its reassuring to know *Recognized* is a valid stamp of approval.
Ty
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This is what I do to be safe on xda, I look at the OP of the mod/rom/etc's other threads first to see what he/she had done in the past and if all is good, then I use away. If the OP doesn't have any history on here I usually wait a bit for others to give feedback and if all is good, then I use away.
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Good advice, I've checked duration of membership & number of thx, but never other thread history.
Ty
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A couple of keyboard mods I've downloaded from XDA have had a stupid amount of unnecessary permissions, they were deleted with haste.
There will be bad people on here, that's life, so who too trust?
Is a 'Recognized Contributor' XDAs seal of approval?
ROM Devs could be putting anything in their work, I can't read code so don't know, but others do, so I tend to stick with devs that openly publish their work (wasn't that the idea) & appear to have the respect of others in the community.
I hope this will keep me safe-ish.
If anyone has any advice about safety on XDA I'd like to hear what you think.
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Trust is a difficult question - generally, people around here are reasonably honest. For someone to get a Recognised title, they have been around for a while, are helpful, consistent, and post generally good work which meets criteria in terms of how it is posted etc.
There's no guarantees though - someone could have "hacked" a user's account, if they used a poor password, or used that password elsewhere. While you are unlikely to hit difficulties, always be vigilant - just use your nose and steer clear if something doesn't seem right.
For example, user with 3 posts, who registered last week, posting an APK for "their" keyboard that's available on the Play Store for free... That's one to be cautious of - it may well be legitimate, and most likely is, but it just isn't worth the risk when you could get the "proper" version with feedback etc from the store, or this untested, unknown, APK from the website.
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Trust is a difficult question - generally, people around here are reasonably honest. For someone to get a Recognised title, they have been around for a while, are helpful, consistent, and post generally good work which meets criteria in terms of how it is posted etc.
There's no guarantees though - someone could have "hacked" a user's account, if they used a poor password, or used that password elsewhere. While you are unlikely to hit difficulties, always be vigilant - just use your nose and steer clear if something doesn't seem right.
For example, user with 3 posts, who registered last week, posting an APK for "their" keyboard that's available on the Play Store for free... That's one to be cautious of - it may well be legitimate, and most likely is, but it just isn't worth the risk when you could get the "proper" version with feedback etc from the store, or this untested, unknown, APK from the website.
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Master Signature you got there
You Must Be a Elite Programmer
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Trust is a difficult question - generally, people around here are reasonably honest. For someone to get a Recognised title, they have been around for a while, are helpful, consistent, and post generally good work which meets criteria in terms of how it is posted etc.
There's no guarantees though - someone could have "hacked" a user's account, if they used a poor password, or used that password elsewhere. While you are unlikely to hit difficulties, always be vigilant - just use your nose and steer clear if something doesn't seem right.
For example, user with 3 posts, who registered last week, posting an APK for "their" keyboard that's available on the Play Store for free... That's one to be cautious of - it may well be legitimate, and most likely is, but it just isn't worth the risk when you could get the "proper" version with feedback etc from the store, or this untested, unknown, APK from the website.
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That's fair enough, common sense takes gold again )
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