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Hey..I'm new to the forum and the Evo. I've seen a few posts about this, but haven't really been able to find an answer.
As with the other people that typically notice this, I'm an iPhone 3GS user...I bought the Evo a few days ago and love it, for the most part. I'm used to extremely smooth performance with very little lag. I noticed that scrolling through the application drawer, or the built in messages application causes huge lag, along with other menus. It seems like the most choppy performance is as the scroll is slowing down (like, if you "flick" it). So, naturally, I rooted my phone. Oh and to be clear, I'm not talking about the touch-sensor lag.
Here is what I have done so far hoping that it would eliminate the lag:
- Obviously, I've used Advanced Task Killer and removed the Live Wallpaper. Didn't really do anything. I have about 160 MB of available memory.
- Using the stock OTA rom (rooted), I installed the netarchy-toastmod-3.7.3c kernel to remove the FPS cap on my screen. It worked. Now, my scrolling is more responsive, but still choppy.
- Froyo. I've tried a few different Froyo ROMs hoping that the claimed 250-300% speed increase would eliminate scroll glitches. It did not. I tried Ava and Cyanogen ROMs.
- I tried the netarchy-toastmod-3.7.3c Froyo kernel for the Froyo ROMs. Still...choppy...possibly a little better though. It's hard to tell without seeing it side by side.
My brother has a different Droid phone (I forget which), but it didn't have a noticeable lag like the Evo does, and I know it's specs aren't as good. Is this phone doomed to low-quality scrolling? Any other suggestions?
What you're probably noticing is a lack of refinement in the easing of the animation. The only "fix" will be to view it as more responsive.
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You may want to try a different launcher. For super snappy response I have heard good things about Launcher Pro. Personally I am using CM6 RC1 with some ADW tweaks and I feel like its fluid enough for me with no choppiness.
Thanks! The ADW tweak posted made the application drawer seem a LOT better (mainly because of the horizontal scrolling). I suppose I'll either just deal with the other choppiness or take it back and wait for a different phone, like the Epic. Maybe I'm just being too picky >.<
I've had great success with CM6 nightly and LauncherPro. As smooth as you can get. I had a news widget that caused some slow downs as well so make sure a widget is not causing it.
I noticed this too.
Its almost like comparable to a computer game performance on a pc
when it goes from 60 frames per second to 20 frames per second you notice it more.
if they just made it stay at say 20fps speed then it would at least keep a reasonably smooth experience
I will try the CM nightly build see if I have any luck.
I love the evo too but man the iphone 4 seems so much smoother when in reality its probably not.
its all about the way its presented
i am currently using baked snack 1.1 with netarchy kernel
if i install cm do i have to flash a different kernel or will it automatically do it?
I have a live wallpaper on, but it still shouldnt be that laggy. My sensation could handle a lot that was thrown at it without being all that laggy. Even with live wallpaper off it's a little laggy. Keyboard in landscape mode? Laggy. Swipe from one home screen to another? Laggy.
Any fix for this!? I just can't wait until CM9 now to fix all this stuff!
I don't know man. I came from a Sensation (running CyanogenMod 7) and the Nexus blows it out of the water in terms of speed and smoothness...and the Sensation was pretty ****in' fast running stock Android.
Well I still think my Nexus is better. I love it to death! But the sudden lag kind of kills it. I don't know what the deal is either.
I read some of the live wallpapers are laggy but not all of them
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Hi monkey hung
I too noticed some laggyness to begin with the Live Wallpaper turned on. Sounds like your last phone was an iPhone 4?
I've been playing around with settings and have a few concepts on what might be going on:
1. First of all, under: Settings > Developer Options, there is a setting called "force GPU rendering". I haven't tried this with the Live Wallpaper on yet, but perhaps this might help the 2D UI laggyness? Let me know what you find.
2. Disable your Live Wallpaper, I did, it saved battery life and things are much snappier.
3. Close your unused apps. I know ICS is meant to deal with old apps much better now, however, I find my Galaxy Nexus to be snappier when I close down the 30 odd applications I have left in a suspended state. It doesn't take long to swipe them off from the home screen using the right "Application" touch button down the right hand corner of the screen.
4. I've noticed that dragging my finger along the screen does not give the same smooth/matte feeling of the iPhone 4. As a matter of fact, it almost jitters/vibrates across the contour glass. If I touch with a less contact force, I tend to find the performance of touch screen to be smooth, rather when I apply more force it tends to jump across the surface of the screen creating a jagged touch slide. I've also noticed the higher sensitivity of the accelerometer. If you have a very steady hand you can see the extra performance, if you hand is un-steady, it almost looks worse than the previous phone, but in reality, it was simply my inability to hold the device in one spot that gave the poor performance, really this a reflection on how responsive the phone is to my dodgy movements.
Thanks but I had HTC Sensation with CM7. I think you must have mistaken when I made topic about my girl friend having an iPhone 4 haha
berglh said:
1. First of all, under: Settings > Developer Options, there is a setting called "force GPU rendering". I haven't tried this with the Live Wallpaper on yet, but perhaps this might help the 2D UI laggyness? Let me know what you find.
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please don't go around suggesting people to do this. They are developer options for a reason.
Force GPU Rendering is only likely to introduce bugs as some apps don't handle it well. Wait for the developers themselves to enable GPU rendering. In addition, GPU rendering adds extra memory overhead to the app (8MB vs 2MB).
By suggesting this, you only end up with people who post back at the forum complaining that App X or App Y no longer works.
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Close your unused apps. I know ICS is meant to deal with old apps much better now, however, I find my Galaxy Nexus to be snappier when I close down the 30 odd applications I have left in a suspended state. It doesn't take long to swipe them off from the home screen using the right "Application" touch button down the right hand corner of the screen.
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This doesn't "close" anything. It just removed the application from your app switching list. FYI.
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I agree!
Im running an Unlocked version on tmobile. Its very laggy. It takes 2 seconds for screen to rotate to landscape and back, and overall its just slow. Even the data keeps fading from hspa to 3g Im beginning to fall in love with its for its beauty but performance wise my galaxy s2 was way faster and smoother. Is an update going to address this? Any input would be appreciated.
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Im running an Unlocked version on tmobile. Its very laggy. It takes 2 seconds for screen to rotate to landscape and back, and overall its just slow. Even the data keeps fading from hspa to 3g Im beginning to fall in love with its for its beauty but performance wise my galaxy s2 was way faster and smoother. Is an update going to address this? Any input would be appreciated.
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The rotation delay is intentional.
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I'm experiencing the same thing you are but the delay is intentional. If my screen was rotating all the time I would get really annoyed!
Also, the switching between 3G and 4G is intentional. 3G uses less battery... it kicks over to 4G when you're actually using the data connection.
My galaxy nexus is almost perfectly responsive. It lags on occasion, but I find it to be much smoother and more responsive overall than just about any other android device I've used. (including the galaxy S II)
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Im running an Unlocked version on tmobile. Its very laggy. It takes 2 seconds for screen to rotate to landscape and back, and overall its just slow. Even the data keeps fading from hspa to 3g Im beginning to fall in love with its for its beauty but performance wise my galaxy s2 was way faster and smoother. Is an update going to address this? Any input would be appreciated.
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If your phone is laggy, then it's probably something on it you're running that isn't optimized for ICS. My phone runs just fine and easily outclasses any other phone I've used (and I've used pretty much every high end gsm phone that has come out here in the states). FYI your data isn't "fading from hspa to 3g", the phone idles on UMTS and when it's transmitting data it goes to hspa. This is very normal. Do a search on it if you want to know more.
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please don't go around suggesting people to do this. They are developer options for a reason.
Force GPU Rendering is only likely to introduce bugs as some apps don't handle it well. Wait for the developers themselves to enable GPU rendering. In addition, GPU rendering adds extra memory overhead to the app (8MB vs 2MB).
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Wow, we are really going to miss that 6 MB with the 1 GB available to the GN. My last phone was an Xperia X10 with only 384 MB of RAM, yes it was chuggy, but comparatively this amount of allocation is small and the feature seems to work well thsu far. I hardly think they are going to miss it, but your point on the Development Settings is valid to a certain degree.
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By suggesting this, you only end up with people who post back at the forum complaining that App X or App Y no longer works.
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I would rebut this by saying that most of my paid apps either don't work at all or don't work correctly due to the fact I'm running Ice Cream Sandwich prior to turning this option on on my own phone. There are many other reasons that apps are going to fail, particularly on Android. In retrospect, a disclaimer to this effect might have been appropriate considering the ramifications of the advice, and I direct this at hung monkey:
If you are not smart enough to draw the correlation between enabling the 2D acceleration and most of your apps suddenly not working, then you should probably not turn it on.
I have turned it on, it fixed the laggyness of the default Live Wallpaper, I haven't tested how much it saps the battery yet. Turning it on has only resulted in an improvement to my phone thus far.
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Im running an Unlocked version on tmobile. Its very laggy. It takes 2 seconds for screen to rotate to landscape and back, and overall its just slow. Even the data keeps fading from hspa to 3g Im beginning to fall in love with its for its beauty but performance wise my galaxy s2 was way faster and smoother. Is an update going to address this? Any input would be appreciated.
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From what I read about your "laggy" screen rotate. That is intended so it doesn't accidentally change orientations.
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This doesn't "close" anything. It just removed the application from your app switching list. FYI.
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Don't be so sure that it doesn't. For example, if I load a relatively heavy game in to memory, such as Pocket Legends or NFS Shift, and I multitask, the app is suspended. I can use the app selection menu to resume that app, and quite quickly I might ad, much faster than the time it takes for the game to load in memory.
If I then kill it with the Task Switcher, it then has to load from the start, like the suspended session was terminated when I removed it from this list. Even Google themselves said that if you like to manage your apps, then this is how you can end them, but ICS will do a good job of managing it for you anyway, the controls are there if you want them.
This behavior does not match your allegation, would you please care to shed some light?
Cheers!
I concur with the Op - the phone by comparison with my Samsung Galaxy S2, it does seem a bit laggy when scrolling between screens - I have everything setup exactly the same way as on the SGS2.
I'm not technical but I can only hope that these reasons of laggyness come down to the apps,etc. haven't been optimised for ICS yet?
When scrolling up and down the twitter, facebook or google reader apps, it just isnt as smooth as the Galaxy S2 or even the Galaxy S1.
Otherwise, very beautiful UI.
Live wallpapers need to die a horrible death. Worst Android feature ever.
To the OP, use a normal wallpaper instead and you'll see an improvement in the overall speed of the UI.
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Live wallpapers need to die a horrible death. Worst Android feature ever.
To the OP, use a normal wallpaper instead and you'll see an improvement in the overall speed of the UI.
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I agree! This phone lags really bad with all the live wallpapers except for the Phase Beam one. TURN THEM OFF and its by far the smoothest phone.....lol
I use wp clock and havent noticed any lag versus having it off....
It's ridiculously sensitive, especially compared to gingerbread. A small swipe will start slow as you slide your finger but when you let go some massive acceleration kicks in. Literally can scroll through 200 contacts with a small swipe. Is there anything I can do to fix/change it?
That happened to me on GB all the friggin' time, it was annoying as hell. Happened mostly in the browser.
I totally agree with OP. It's there anyway to turn down the scrolling acceleration?
Agreed...I really wanna like the ics leaks but the scrolling starts to drive me crazy
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Makes going to e4gt forums fast
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Works fine for me lol
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It's one of the side effects of the biggest problem I have with all of the ICS I have tried (disclaimer: I have only tried leaks and modded leaks, no AOSP versions): Touch Lag.
It's better than the earlier leaks, but, it is still god awful...and inconsistent.
It seems like it is effed up scroll accell, but, I don't think that's it entirely...it might also be that too, or one is complicating the other, but, touch lag is everywhere. Just hit 'home' and notice the extra hundred or two milliseconds it takes to get you there.
It feels like it is registering touches 100ms late but it is registering movements after the initial touch (and all subsequent releases) with less latency. This seems to have the effect if you flicking very fast to scroll, but, you didn't...it just thinks you did because it seems like it thinks you were scrolling a for a shorter amount of time than you were....as you would if you were scrolling quickly.
I'm drunk so I should have shut up paragraphs ago...but...this is the only reason I just cannot stomach the current ICS roms. I should try an AOSP, it might not be there....otherwise it was an awesome daily driver in every way except for this.
Anyone have any experiences with an AOSP 4.x care to comment on their touch-lag (or lack thereof)?
I honestly love it. I enjoy it over GB. So smooth
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Calks E4GT 2 has smoother scrolling.
daneurysm said:
It's one of the side effects of the biggest problem I have with all of the ICS I have tried (disclaimer: I have only tried leaks and modded leaks, no AOSP versions): Touch Lag.
It's better than the earlier leaks, but, it is still god awful...and inconsistent.
It seems like it is effed up scroll accell, but, I don't think that's it entirely...it might also be that too, or one is complicating the other, but, touch lag is everywhere. Just hit 'home' and notice the extra hundred or two milliseconds it takes to get you there.
It feels like it is registering touches 100ms late but it is registering movements after the initial touch (and all subsequent releases) with less latency. This seems to have the effect if you flicking very fast to scroll, but, you didn't...it just thinks you did because it seems like it thinks you were scrolling a for a shorter amount of time than you were....as you would if you were scrolling quickly.
I'm drunk so I should have shut up paragraphs ago...but...this is the only reason I just cannot stomach the current ICS roms. I should try an AOSP, it might not be there....otherwise it was an awesome daily driver in every way except for this.
Anyone have any experiences with an AOSP 4.x care to comment on their touch-lag (or lack thereof)?
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I have used the aosp versions and do not experience the sketchy scrolling as I do with the others.
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I have used the aosp versions and do not experience the sketchy scrolling as I do with the others.
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Thanks for the feedback. Ill pick an AOSP and flash one tonight...
...and I can't wait. I loved ICS. ADWex never looked so smooth. That lag just hurt my soul.
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Miui was/is the same way. Only wanna scroll half the page before ya know it you're at the bottom. This is how it was on my evo most annoying.
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Mine not only scrolls easily, but it seems so sensitive that it selects an item when I'm actually trying to continue the scroll. Didn't happen in GB.
Using FC24 odin, FC24 kernel auto root w/ Rogue, USB mass storage mode enabled. All thanks to sfhub and the original providers of the leaks.
I experienced this on 2 ICS ROMs I tried, eventually drove me nutty and switched to AOKP then Codename. Have to say, Codename has been the most stable, scrolling and otherwise, out of all the ICS ROMs I've tried. I highly recommend it, the only issue I have currently is the Video recording doesn't work, but this is true of all the AOSP based ROMs, I also don't like how the external SD is mounted as /mnt/emmc but I don't think there is a way to get around that one.
Any progress with this issue? It's making all ICS roms un-usable for me. Maybe it has to do with the state of the touch screen during flash? hrmm...
On fc24 and it had improved considerably for me!
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I have to say I notice a much bigger difference in scrolling between odexed and deodexed than I ever have before. I odexed my system/apps on Venum and my scrolling was instantly smoother.
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Just tried stock doxded FD02 from this thread ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1580044
The scrolling issue is much better especially on medium swipes but the issue is still there and too persistent to ignore. I'm not as annoyed with the turbo scroll that sill comes up quite often, as I am with the reverse scrolls.
When I attempt a slight scroll down on a webpage the screen does a little bounce like a scroll overshoot and goes nowhere.
If anyone has a specific rom that works similar to GB stock I'd wouldn't mind trying it out.
OK so I mentioned I came from the Gs3 and I noticed the nitro has quite a bit of lag to it.
So I thought hmmmmm.... wonder if that trick from the gs3 would work.
And it does! Made a noticeable difference for me, so hope it helps you guys out to.
Doesnt make for an insta beast but hey every little bit helps right?
heres a how to on these couple tricks:
Go to:
Settings
Developer Options
Window animation scale and Transition Animation scale
change it to 0.5x . Play with it if you want some people were changing it to 0.
Then go to background processes and limit to four.
I have to mention this isnt my original idea, someone in the gs3 forums reposted this from ZN6
heres the link to his original thread make sure you give him some thanks!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1804693
Post back with results if any
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It should be noted that this doesn't actually speed up the phone, it just speeds up the transition time by limiting the time for the transition.
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Yes I tried the settings above mentioned and it does seem to make the transitions from foreground apps to background apps even snappier
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Touch responsiveness
Does anyone have any tips as far the touch responsiveness. Sometimes it feels like I tap things and nothing happens on the screen for quite a bit. These steps do help though. Ive tried many of phones so its not just an android thing but android does have a weird touch response compared to some other systems but I dont want to get totally into that. Any suggestions?
Hi all
Tested with latest CM10 nightly....phone is snappier....testing the battery drain though......
Hi. I'm actually on pa.2.55. Going to 3.69 but can't seem to find the latest gapps for it. pa_d2att.
Thx
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Hi. I'm actually on pa.2.55. Going to 3.69 but can't seem to find the latest gapps for it. pa_d2att.
Thx
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Here is the link from goo.im. this is the gapps package for 3.69 (4.2.2)
http://goo.im/devs/paranoidandroid/roms/gapps/pa_gapps-full-4.2-20130719-signed.zip
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Hi there,
Was hoping to get a response from Ayysir or Gideonx, but not sure if they're monitoring this thread (obviously everybody's expertise is welcome!). I've been having a bit of a problem with 3.69 (and had the same problem with 3.68). After a clean install on 3.69, including only a very few data restores from TiBU (and none on the apps that are giving me trouble), I've been consistently getting random but inevitable freezes on nearly all the games I play on my phone, sometimes to the point that the phone actually reboots. I get a screen flicker, and then progress slows to an absolute crawl and I even see frames flickering back and forth at times (i.e., the unicorn in RUA2 moves back and forth a frame or two on screen). When I can fully close the app, it usually reboots fine, but then freezes eventually as before. Everything else about the ROM is absolutely rock solid - I actually just commented to my wife that, other than the freeze up issue, I've never had such a clean ROM on my phone, awesome battery life, smooth as silk, etc.
I've tried pretty much all the kernel options available, in addition to stock, to no avail - the problem persists. No undervolting at all in any case, and the highest CPU temperature I've seen recorded through trickster has been 54 degrees, which shouldn't (I think) be enough to trigger heat-related issues should it? The CPU is generally sitting around 42 degrees under load, which seems great to me.
Anyways, if you have any thoughts about what could be causing the issue, I'd appreciate it. I'm assuming it's ROM-related because of the steps I've taken to eliminate it, but who knows, maybe the issue is hardware related and there's nothing to be done but replace the GPU or something.
Thanks,
--Rob
EDIT: Should also say that this is the second clean install I've done and the problem has continued in both cases (i.e., doesn't seem to be a bad install).
Just to add to my previous post: I've been reading that some problem on Nexus 4 devices have been having problems running games built with the Unity engine since the upgrade to 4.2.2. Anyone have any thoughts on whether this could be the culprit?
Rob116 said:
Just to add to my previous post: I've been reading that some problem on Nexus 4 devices have been having problems running games built with the Unity engine since the upgrade to 4.2.2. Anyone have any thoughts on whether this could be the culprit?
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You may want to try this... Goto Settings --> Developer Options --> and check Disable Hardware Overlays (I haven't seen this mess with Halo functioning) and Force GPU Rendering. I think there was another related setting you need to turn on.
I got a warranty replacement and haven't been able to switch back from TouchWiz due to a baseband upgrade... So I apologize if that isn't as thorough as I would have liked.
I turned these settings on and game performance went back to normal.
HTH.
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You may want to try this... Goto Settings --> Developer Options --> and check Disable Hardware Overlays (I haven't seen this mess with Halo functioning) and Force GPU Rendering. I think there was another related setting you need to turn on.
I got a warranty replacement and haven't been able to switch back from TouchWiz due to a baseband upgrade... So I apologize if that isn't as thorough as I would have liked.
I turned these settings on and game performance went back to normal.
HTH.
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I'll give it a shot if it reappears - the problem hasn't occurred in two days now, after having been a very consistent issue since 3.68. All I've done in the meantime is some clean up of the file system via sd maid. Truly bizarre.
Thanks very much for the suggestion!
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