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Hi, im just wondering that our kaiser should be really suitable from the htc wildfire rom its a 240X320 resolution...is it possible? also do you guys think the camera would work by any chance?
link to ROM, pls..
no ROM - no work
and this ROM has only one advantage: qvga Sense and other HTC apps
shipped-roms(dot)com/shipped/Buzz/
En1gma said:
link to ROM, pls..
no ROM - no work
and this ROM has only one advantage: qvga Sense and other HTC apps
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Here is an extracted and unpacked system.img if someone is interested in porting:
http://www.mediafire.com/?rwgwo7ddnpn712s
milanche said:
Here is an extracted and unpacked system.img if someone is interested in porting:
http://www.mediafire.com/?rwgwo7ddnpn712s
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Excellent! I'll try to run it tonight.
There's also at least one Wildfire port in the Tattoo forums that may be useful.
But I'm more interested to get my hands on an official Froyo release for the Wildfire as it should give use some QVGA google apps we could use. Many of the google apps we use now in Fresh Froyo has bitmaps intended for the Nexus which most likely means higher memory usage and higher process usages (resizing).
I think I read somewhere that Desire, Legend and Wildfire will be the first HTC devices to get Froyo.
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bitmaps intended for the Nexus which most likely means higher memory usage and higher process usages (resizing).
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I'm assuming there's more involved than a simple batch resize and optimize in Photoshop then?
FlanFlinger said:
I'm assuming there's more involved than a simple batch resize and optimize in Photoshop then?
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For wallpapers I did that but I used the ImageMagick tool called mogrify but for icons and stuff it seems a bit more complicated. Nexus uses 480x800, most other Android devices use 320x480 and we use 240x320. Our apps have quite a mix of bitmaps intended for different resolutions. The less oversized bitmaps we have the faster build. At least that's what I believe. I have no proofs though but vilords old tattoo port (donut) is very snappy and it likely have most of its bitmaps sized for QVGA.
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For wallpapers I did that but I used the ImageMagick tool called mogrify but for icons and stuff it seems a bit more complicated. Nexus uses 480x800, most other Android devices use 320x480 and we use 240x320. Our apps have quite a mix of bitmaps intended for different resolutions. The less oversized bitmaps we have the faster build. At least that's what I believe. I have no proofs though but vilords old tattoo port (donut) is very snappy and it likely have most of its bitmaps sized for QVGA.
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sounds like a relatively easy fix, well once then correct res is worked out, I shall ponder this during my drunken slumber and come back to it in the morning
I've finally got to the stage where I am completely hacked off at having to keep uninstalling apps due to running out of space in the internal memory.
I'm hoping to do it all in one hit, and what I want is recommendation for a decent, stable ROM - I don't want to have to chop and change, reflashing ROM after ROM.
I used to do this with my old Dream, and it was fun when I had the time, but things have changed for me now and I need a reliable phone.
What I need: Apps2SD, stability
Nice to have but not essential: Better battery life (underclocked kernel?)
Dream stuff, but not at the expense of first two: Speed increase, Froyo goodies
I don't care about SenseUI one bit - in fact I've pretty much removed/replaced nearly every trace of it on my phone, by using Launcher Pro and non-Sense apps/widgets.
However, I'd like to know if it's possible to keep the text selection function contained within the standard browser on my phone? It also works the same in DolphinHD, which leads me to believe it's integrated into the Sense framework? I don't know if I can get that with Froyo though.
If I do go for a Froyo ROM, I'd like to know what won't work. I gather video recording is broken - don't care about that. Is there anything else that don't work?
Any advice or recommendations, pretty please!
If you go to the roms dev section and look at all the roms chefs have cooked you will figure out which ones you prefer and which ones you may like. The chef will either tell you what doesnt work and later if you read the comments members will provide additional feedback.
There is no 'best' rom each one has + and -
Hi just about to to root my Desire - I wonder if anyone could tell me their favourite ROM with Sense UI included (I like it!)
bump! anyone? ... going to step in randomly in bit otherwise
I have Leedroid, it's pretty good, fast and stable and has apps2sd+ (for my the main reason to root and flash) but I dislike the duplication of many apps for which sense has an alternative (eg an android and htc dialer and phonebook) so you are confronted with a choice between these apps in many instances. I would choose teppic74's rom if I hadn't installed leedroid. That said it isn't annoying enough to go trough a a reinstall and setup of the phone, so I will stick with leedroid
I also tried Aurax-Sense but really didn't like the theme otherwise it seemed quite okay
Go for Aurex T-sense...Its the best,flawless and fast I have come across so far...
Alright cool thanks... I just DL'd Aurax - what was it about the theme that bugged you godutch? WIll check teppic74!
Btw whats' the advantage of apps2sd? surely the Desire has enough storage built in for a bunch of apps? And isn't the internal RAM faster?
If you don't like the theme of AuraxT you can always replace it with another one of stock. I did that and even imported the Rosie of Leedroid which has Drag and drop function.
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If you don't like the theme of AuraxT you can always replace it with another one of stock. I did that and even imported the Rosie of Leedroid which has Drag and drop function.
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That sounds good how do you replace a theme?
and what is the 'drag and drop' function? Thx!
i got leedroids rom dont seem to have a problem with it
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Btw whats' the advantage of apps2sd? surely the Desire has enough storage built in for a bunch of apps? And isn't the internal RAM faster?
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No actually it does not have a lot of memory for apps it gets full really fast, that's why everybody is using A2SD. Froyo has it's own A2SD but it's not as good as it can't install all apps to SD only those designed for it.
Personally I think it's a must.
I'm using the Alex-V 1.7 Rom, I like it as it is not too far off from an official Rom and has a couple tricks to save power. Now with S-OFF we can delete apps we dont want directly from the phone too so everything has become a lot easier.
pinky desire is also a stable one. with sense ui, no FC, and somehow long battery life. IMO. but it really depends on how you will use your phone. different people. different tastes. anyway you can try different roms. that's Android for you!
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Alright cool thanks... I just DL'd Aurax - what was it about the theme that bugged you godutch? WIll check teppic74!
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Well for starters it misses the little indicator to show you on which homescreen you are and I didn't like the transparent notification bar, looked too messy with the background and I didn't like the exorbitant use of color in the notification icons, also too messy
btw I would also stay away from roms that undervolt/underclock it's generally bad for your battery life because the CPU is much more energy efficient when it can enter its sleepstate. Underclocking makes tasks take longer and prevent the cpu from sleeping
Thanks for the advice everyone some good tips there I guess I'll do a bit more reading and try one out! Alex, pinky, Leedroid - ok!
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I'm totally new to android and even to embedded systems and new to this forum. There are plenty information about everything, but there are no simple answers for my needs.
First of all, I'm quite happy as a linux developer to have android system. I've imagined it quite different (NDK is without GUI api, only SDK is good for application development and this means Java, not C++, rooting without exchanging flash and so on), but I'm still happy after using Symbian and WM6. The only two things I would like to do with the phone right now are:
1. 2 way call recording
2. permroot
But why I'm posting this...
Ad 1. Only easy solution I've seen for two way call recording is to flash everything with LeeDroid for example. There are big disadvantages - no further updates of the system (android 2.3), some reports that LeeDroid isn't perfect (I don't know that those rumours are true, but I've seen speed complains and some strange behaviors) and so on.
Ad 2. Here I would like to ask that AMT is a good way to do it (I mean "automagically") with below device description:
Device Model: Desire HD
Bootloader Version: 0.85.0007 SHIP HBOOT
Radio Version: 26.03.02.26_M
ROM Version: 1.32.405.6
Android Version: 2.2
CID: HTC__032
and secondly - why should I bother about S-OFF (what is this exactly? I dodn't get it right after reading about flashing), what is HBOOT, how exactly booting works, I mean... not for noob, more clearer for adv. linux user.
Best thing to achieve for me would be rooting (with r/w on the system mount) and a driver for two way recording without messing with the rest of supplied system/kernel/roms/etc... Or alternatively - can any of you convince me that LeeDroid or other "flashing package" is better than nandroid and won't beak anything in my phone?
I'm sorry for (as I suppose) another doubtful/stupid post, but I really need to know what all this means for the phone before doing anything smart/stupid, and the thousands of posts around are not very helpful yet (few days of reading).
I had the same problem, well almost I didn't think about any specific advantages of rooting my DHD and flashing custom ROM, I was just affraid that I might break sth. Seriously, LeeDroid is an awesome ROM, I use it on a daily basis with no problems. For now everything has been working way better than on standard stock ROM. If you need convincing than, let me tell you this. With LeeDroid you get all the stuff you have on stock ROM + many many many more and the OS doesn't lag like the standard one does, you get Rosie, HTC Sense 3.0, CPU OC...and the list goes on. If you read enough about rooting and flashing ROMs than belive me, it's easy. Also about updates, these are available through ROM manager which is included in the ROM.
krzych said:
The only two things I would like to do with the phone right now are:
1. 2 way call recording
2. permroot
But why I'm posting this...
Ad 1. Only easy solution I've seen for two way call recording is to flash everything with LeeDroid for example. There are big disadvantages - no further updates of the system (android 2.3), some reports that LeeDroid isn't perfect (I don't know that those rumours are true, but I've seen speed complains and some strange behaviors) and so on.
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LordMOD's kernel for AOSP allows for two way recording without all the SENSE crap that comes with LeeDroid, if you want a ROM with LordMOD kernel you could do worse than try HydrOG3n MOD
krzych said:
Ad 2. Here I would like to ask that AMT is a good way to do it (I mean "automagically") with below device description:
Device Model: Desire HD
Bootloader Version: 0.85.0007 SHIP HBOOT
Radio Version: 26.03.02.26_M
ROM Version: 1.32.405.6
Android Version: 2.2
CID: HTC__032
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Follow instructions here
krzych said:
and secondly - why should I bother about S-OFF (what is this exactly? I dodn't get it right after reading about flashing), what is HBOOT, how exactly booting works, I mean... not for noob, more clearer for adv. linux user.
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Your /system is currently in read only mode, without S-OFF (Security off) you are unable to change that and thus are unable to make permanent changes to /system, you can make changes but they are cached in RAM thus a reboot reverts them. Achieving S-OFF allows the /system to be written thus changes are permanent
HBOOT is analogous with BIOS on a pc, this controls the security status of your DHD, thus to achieve S-OFF you must replace the HBOOT with one that allows the security to be deactivated, there is a similar system protecting the Radios (there appears to be a backup radio, thus if flashing goes wrong the radio can run off the backup) hence you can also have Radio S-OFF.
krzych said:
Best thing to achieve for me would be rooting (with r/w on the system mount) and a driver for two way recording without messing with the rest of supplied system/kernel/roms/etc... Or alternatively - can any of you convince me that LeeDroid or other "flashing package" is better than nandroid and won't beak anything in my phone?
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I wont recommend LeeDroid, and you need the Kernel modules to allow two way recording so either install cm7 or another AOSP based ROM and then one of LordMOD kernels or HydrOG3n MOD
krzych said:
I'm sorry for (as I suppose) another doubtful/stupid post, but I really need to know what all this means for the phone before doing anything smart/stupid, and the thousands of posts around are not very helpful yet (few days of reading).
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A good starting thread is this one and don't worry we where all noobs once.
May I ask why exactly wouldn't you recommend LeeDroid? I've been using it for some time now with no problems whatsoever. Unless there is sth about this ROM that I don't know. I'm happy with Sense 3.0 (Rosie), it's smooth, doesn't lag, looks nice unlike some custom launchers.
Ghostofcain, thank you very much for quite a nice introduction. I can only ask the same thing to clarify what's really not nice in LeeDroid as haerigrek mentioned, and one of forgotten thing yesterday:
Can you describe me exactly how it works and if it's possible to completely backup whole hboot, radio and system to be _sure_ I can reverse all changes at any time assuming I won't brick the phone? (I think it will be something about clockwork, but I'm still confused)
And maybe anyone can post me most terrible or most often done brick reasons... to be more aware and maybe to be sure it's... safe if done right.
And in the meantime I will read all the links supplied here, so be sure any further posting will be read by me and is needed, but it will take some time before I speak again (busy week/weekend/next week but still, I plan to know something next weekend).
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Ghostofcain, thank you very much for quite a nice introduction. I can only ask the same thing to clarify what's really not nice in LeeDroid as haerigrek mentioned, and one of forgotten thing yesterday:
Can you describe me exactly how it works and if it's possible to completely backup whole hboot, radio and system to be _sure_ I can reverse all changes at any time assuming I won't brick the phone? (I think it will be something about clockwork, but I'm still confused)
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Problem with LeeDroid, in one word SENSE! If i wanted bling that slowed my phone down I'd have bought an iPhone, seriously a decent AOSP based ROM comes in at 70-80mb LeeDroid (and other SENSE polluted ROMS) 230-260mb and most of that is bloat I don't want. If you like SENSE and use all it's features by all means give it a whirl, but if you don't go for something a little lighter.
Depending on what ROM your currently running (OUK, Vodafone etc) your best bet if anything went wrong would be to restore with the appropriate RUU, which will put your phone back to Stock i.e Hboot, radio etc. Bricking the phone is actually very hard , even intentionally and until you've flashed the HBoot is prevented by S-OFF, when you have S-OFF be sure to carry out a NANDROID backup (which takes a system snapshot which can subsequently be restored reverting all changes you have made since) before you flash anything which will allow you to revert to your stock rooted ROM. In the main have fun
I agree with ghostofcain 125%.
Paradoxxx's 1.3.1 Benchmark Edition weighs in at an amazing 53MB. I have larger audio files. And yet it still does everything I need- Phone, email, sms, web & XDA.
So what you guys say is that it's a choice between a SENSE/NON-SENSE ROM. I mean seriously, I like SENSE, it does e'thing I need and more, and it looks nice, and I can't say anything bad about LeeDroid ROMs apart from the 3.1.7 Kernel which didn't have 2way call recording.
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So what you guys say is that it's a choice between a SENSE/NON-SENSE ROM. I mean seriously, I like SENSE, it does e'thing I need and more, and it looks nice, and I can't say anything bad about LeeDroid ROMs apart from the 3.1.7 Kernel which didn't have 2way call recording.
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if your a fan of SENSE stick with LeeDroid and you wont be disappointed, but if you regard SENSE as a disease to be eradicated look elsewhere.
Ok, now big picture looks more clear, but one thing to ask yet - where to find a page/thread that compares functionalities of some (most decent) mods if I decide to say good bye to HTC Sense...? I think it is crucial to have a good mail client, move/sound player, calendar, messaging, dialer, sliding gui, home screen with widgets (or something at least like start screen in WM - capable of informing, having status icons/bars etc.) or maybe even alarm clock ;-P :-D. I don't know what's inside Sense and what's outside (or what's possible to install free(ly) in android without Sense) and wikipedia says that all major apps are in it which I pointed out above.
There should be free conferences with possiblity of touching mods by yourself in person ;-D
From my experiences with Touch HD - yep, TouchFLO was slow, but it was also somehow better than bare WM. I used phone without, but at last, I turned it back on just because of missing convenient way to use all of the phone features. I hope not to flash a phone with something not convenient, coz flashing will scare **** out of me (no matter of a knowledge while doing), and I would prefer this situation happened only once :-D
PS. I hope that saying "sense" by you had nothing to do with proximity sensing? (or other sensors ;-) )... noob... noob... noob... :-D
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Ok, now big picture looks more clear, but one thing to ask yet - where to find a page/thread that compares functionalities of some (most decent) mods if I decide to say good bye to HTC Sense...? I think it is crucial to have a good mail client, move/sound player, calendar, messaging, dialer, sliding gui, home screen with widgets (or something at least like start screen in WM - capable of informing, having status icons/bars etc.) or maybe even alarm clock ;-P :-D. I don't know what's inside Sense and what's outside (or what's possible to install free(ly) in android without Sense) and wikipedia says that all major apps are in it which I pointed out above.
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If you flash a decent AOSP based ROM, the only functionality that you will lose is internet pass through (that is the ability to use your pc as a modem for your phone to connect to the internet) and the sense.com features but my experience and comments from others lead me to believe that sense.com is still very flaky. All other features are working as in the standard rom, granted SENSE widgets are not available but AFAIK they are all replicated by others, mainly, freely available on the market. All the examples you quote are still filled with the standard google apps, if there is any app / widget you need a definitive answer on PM me and I will have a look.
i don't know why I believe you just like that, but it's the fact ;-P :-D
Ok, to be completely sure, the interface (mean sliding, widgets and so on) is not HTC created or not part of a Sense UI? I'm digging this because on WM phone the "manila.exe" was the whole UI, not just a part of it and only way to speedup anything was to block it permanently. As far as I understood you till now, this is not the case of android UI, removing Sense will have no visible consequences as you suggests, right?
And I will ask again, anyone have a clue where can I go to see those roms in action? Pictures/videos/dunno... anything
Many thanks to you Ghostofcain
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i don't know why I believe you just like that, but it's the fact ;-P :-D
Ok, to be completely sure, the interface (mean sliding, widgets and so on) is not HTC created or not part of a Sense UI? I'm digging this because on WM phone the "manila.exe" was the whole UI, not just a part of it and only way to speedup anything was to block it permanently. As far as I understood you till now, this is not the case of android UI, removing Sense will have no visible consequences as you suggests, right?
And I will ask again, anyone have a clue where can I go to see those roms in action? Pictures/videos/dunno... anything
Many thanks to you Ghostofcain
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Not quite, stopping SENSE will stop the SENSE widgets from functioning but a quick look in the market will let you find widgets that replicate the SENSE widgets function, and also there are many android widgets built in that do not rely on sense.
Video's
CyanogenMOD 7
LeeDroid
RCmixHD
Android Revolution HD
iOS, sorry Miui
Virtuous Fusion
Kingdom Gingersense
CoreDroid
Official Gingerbread
Comparison betwixt cm7 v Stock
Now you're my hero :-D. I'm still burried under applications (tons of it, just found VNC server which is a must for a almost-blind man as me ;-) ), but since this is almost enough what I already have, next step will be reading alot and watching alot as I see above. And those widgets are not important. Some may be even quite good, but still - the applications are what matters, even if I had only app links it would be enough with some of them, and with those more important I bet there are many substitutes maybe even better.
You're my local hero now . I hope I will have a chance to get even some day :-D
PS. Yup! I've even found "thanks" button! ;-D
No worries mate just trying to help a fellow user out, actually I was quite shocked at the lack of info on the videos that I could find on XDA, oh well that's sorted anyhow
Had leedroid earlier on my desire, but went for a aosp rom and i dont regret, its so much better.
Cyanogenmod is a very popular rom.
Sent from my HTC Desire
Hmm, its bad. After watching those movies, I think, I really like Sense. I'm not a speed freak definitely, but I like to have nice interface with as low power consumption as possible, but not at the sake of convenience. I've not decided yet, but as far as I watched it seems that Non-Sense ( ;-) ) mods has not quite mature GUIs... I have to google more videos, but not right now.
There's a thread which points out how to save power in which the author says to install CurrentWidget to see current output and he guarantees that this CurrentWidget does not drain the energy. In the same post he claims that Sense drains much if you don't remove your HTC account. It's funny coz I still have this account (only disabled sync, but with sync enabled it's not much a difference) and checked what he said. The results were VERY funny. Sense drains less than CurrentWidget, and CurrentWidget drains MUCH more than Cellphone in a standby! :-D I think I won't listen to this thread. Am I only person who noticed such a behaviour? (just to recall everyone - still on froyo, decided not to upgrade until permroot)
I need to have an info how to _really_ discover my actual froyo before I do a mod to have real data to compare gains and loss. As far as I see even here, most of the opinions are rather not authoritative I think (coz I can proove that my phone does not match).
Anyone has the idea about really good software package (I mean few really tested applications) to log system activity, power consumption, network activity and so on? I would be really happy to know anything _for_sure_. Best would be all in one app to save cpu processing while logging things.
Anyone had issues with Google Earth resetting phone? 8-O i was shocked, reset occured to me once but as far as I remember, i did that time much suspicius things, but yesterday, Google Earth reset my phone just like that (not much apps in background, only "strange" thing was that battery had 15% which is a limit to shout on me to connect charger, but whole system was fresh and steady).
Ok, I've decided that this weekend will be the last of the original unstable software. Some apps can reset the phone, so I hope that LeeDroid will help. Why LeeDroid? I just like the way of Sense, but I will not prefer it. If LeeDroid will not be enough, I will try best without Sense, but not without tests of Gingerbread and new Sense.
The results will be described here (I mean results of flashing), and then some time will pass to evaluate and then I'll be happy or I'll be describing a new try ;-). So, wish me luck this weekend ;-P :-D
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Done. Radio S-OFF, Eng S-OFF, SuperCID, ClockworkMod. Ready to flash LeeDroid HD to check if it's what I want.
If anyone knows that there is better mod incorporating Sense 3 in more elegant, original or so, way then I would be happy to hear about it. I'm considering checking Android Revolution HD too, but I don't know that I will have time for this... (setting up everything again is a pain...), so I need opinions. Any opinions. And don't tell me that it is a matter of preferences - just strict facts like "AR has this, LD hasn't" - I can judge by myself that it's a feature or a bug ;-).
But I'm already grateful to all people that helped me to understand what I just did to my phone. Thank you all .
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Now I know, maybe it's good for other noobs, so I will say loudly what I've read or heard and is hard to find here in one place... (correct me if I'm wrong)
* Eng S-OFF is not necessary for all. It just enables USB flashing as far as I know comparing to Radio S-OFF (but both enables flashing roms).
* Radio flashing has nothing to do with call recording (if I was told correctly), it's just an upgrade for hardware, can improve few things like power consumption or range.
I still do not know how permroot was achieved (I just ran Visionary+ - it "rages" the cache - exploit, but I do not know how it achieves permroot in contrast to temproot - probably it has something to do with mounting /system r/w and changing 'something', but I'm not sure - just deducing).
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Hi again in this newbie thread. I'm not a newbie already, but I still have a problem. And if I'm not wrong, it's a bigger one. I told you already about google earth rebooting my phone. I just noticed AndroidKnight did the same and came here to recall if this was like same situation. Almost. When 3D goes mad, phone reboots...
Now... what I think and why some roms were instable... A hardware issue? Too low voltage because of faulty cpu or something? Anyone can help me diagnose this?
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There are some things I can't get my head around.
From the screenshots of all the cool user ROMs and themes available it's clear they've been designed by clever people who use their phones a lot. So why does it appear from these shots they use the Sense launcher, and their default home screen has a big Sense clock and hardly any apps?
Presumably, like me, these people are pulling their phones out their pocket and putting them back there many times a day. Presumably also, like me, these people use a number of apps and widgets in a day that hits two figures. With this in mind, I want to be able to get to those apps and widgets easily and quickly. I.e., with as few swipes/clicks/screen presses as possible. I'm sure these people do too, right?
So that rules out the Sense launcher doesn't it, with its 4x4 grid limitation and non-resizeable widgets. Not to mention its time-consuming spin-in carousel effect every time the phone's security screen is unlocked. I haven't found anything useful the Sense launcher does that another launcher can't, at least after downloading other apps.
Furthermore, who really keeps that big clock on their home screen, when 1. you probably wear a watch; and 2. you can see the time on the top right. It seems like a silly amount of screen 'estate' to use.
Or is it that these people in fact have a more practical default home screen and it's just tradition to post the screenshots they show?
Finally, why do so many of these otherwise brilliant ROMs not mod the battery icon to show how much battery is remaining, percentage-wise? Appreciate this can be modded using the kitchen website. But surely everyone wants this info from the off, so is it not included?
Well, I'd never call myself a hardcore user - although I believe that term should be defined too, because I'm not sure it's interpreted the same way by everyone. That aside though, here's what I think on tinkering with the launchers. You buy an Android phone - be it of any manufacturer. In general, and especially considering the top level models, it can be said that there isn't much diversity hardware-wise. What does make a difference is the UI, the services integrated and how the phone handles them. (And let's exclude synthetic benchmarks for now, I don't believe they represent real-life scenarios.) So, someone knowledgeable going for an HTC device (meaning it's not chosen because of price or because of how "pretty" it is), imo, means they're attracted to Sense: those little nuances that do make the difference. Ditch the launcher and you've pretty much ditched at least about half of what Sense - of what HTC is about. But then, why did you go for HTC in the first place? And the same can be said with Samsung and SE as well, those who quite heavily modify the Android UI. Sure, you can do it, you can dump the whole customized everything...but can doesn't mean that you should: if you're a "hardcore user", however we define the rest of it, you know you'll have an easier life with a phone that runs stock Android, there's no point in choosing something customized (read: more complicated), with risk of locked bootloaders and whatnots.
And you're right: you can get the puzzle pieces from the Market (or elsewhere) to create a Sense-like experience. That's because Sense offers so many good things in one package that ppl are aiming at re-creating it, but ask this: if you want to re-create it, why not spare yourself the hassle and use the real thing right out of the box?
As for the clock: I haven't even owned, much less worn a watch for at least about ten years, nor do I feel the need. Actually they seem pretty redundant now that mobiles have become as complex as they are and being carried everywhere. But as for the battery percentage - I couldn't agree more, I wish I knew why HTC itself doesn't make it available at least as an option.
In addition to the great points made by breathlesstao, I'll add the following:
Many devs concentrate on performance, stability and removing bloat when developing their ROMs, so if you want UI mods like battery percentage etc then the option is there for you to do it yourself. It would be nice if HTC could add percentage but they do have a battery widget that shows it.
As for on screen icons, I suppose many people like a sleek looking interace with not a lot of clutter. Plus, the more you have on the homescreens the more likely you are to experience lag when scrolling between the screens. Personally I have every app I use often on one of the 7 screens and if I need anything else it's only a few presses away in the all apps menu. I like it to be set up with each page having similar types of app, so on one I have music / media related stuff, another tools / settings type stuff... etc. See my helicopter view screenshot below for an example. My screen aren't crammed, but then they're not too sparse either.
I actually like the flipclock as it integrates local weather and just generally looks cool... I also haven't had a watch since the 1990s.
Choice and the ability to customise things are part of the many joys of Android, you set it up your way and use it your way.
The replies are right in. As for the launcher I have people coming to me all the time cause their phone is slow and lagging and whenbi unlock screen they have dozens of shortcuts all over the screen. Of course its gonna be slow when it need to reload a the launcher and all those Widgets. I swear some look so much like an icrap with all the shorcuts when I see it I have to double check. Lmao
As for the battery icon, you have to edit the coding for the file to add the extra 150 images that make up the % battery and charging icons and the bigger the file......
Now the clock well to be honest I remove the clock from the top bar any chance I get as I see it as pointless. We have Widgets for that.
As for sense it has its pluses like everything is prebuilt in. Social networking (not sure as I don't use FB at all) built into contacts and all the other handy apps that it comes with. I mostly run a senseless Tom my self but that is only due to it be long a resource hog. But the contacts and dialer work so well together that I have not found a better dialer/contact combo. The sense 3 lockscreen is just too good. I have widget locker but prefer the sense lock screen
Some very good replies, and here is my take, i've been modding my phone(s) now for a few years now (Since the Windows Mobile 5 Genre) and I would say function is not the only thing i look for. I want "coolness", "graphics"... I love the way the flip happens when you unlock a Sense ROM ..I strive to make it smoother !
Having said that I do resort to simplicity at times however, and you can too. have a look at Cyanogenmod and get Launcher Pro.. Ain't nothing simpler than that with the most "Function".
The ROM above will satisfy anyone who loves Function over Heavyness and also it has the option of showing percentage battery amongst plethora of other customizations neatly laid out in the settings menu.
But sometimes that just isn't enough for me..I want a ROM with More......Sense framework is probably the best Integration of everything I've ever seen. Yes its huge ! But then...this phone ain't that weak either...It is a beast
That is why you have an "option" my friend...an option to choose non-sense ROM or a Sense ROM. You could go for a Sense ROM (if you like all the integration of sense) and get yourself a different launcher from the market if you choose..customize it with the battery percentage mod.... yourself... The Dev's like to leave the option customize some aspects of their ROM's to the users... mostly because its personal preference.
The Sense Rom cooks, mostly, give u the most basic thing... A highly optimized ROM with a stock-like UI. You can choose to customize it the way you like ! After all thats what XDA is all about ..do it youself modding..
Hi all,
Your responses are appreciated and it's nice to have a polite conversation about this!
You're right breathlesstao, what the hell's a hardcore user. I just meant anyone who'd flash a ROM, root their phone, perhaps mod some element themself.
So I guess many of you - suprisingly for me - are happy to swipe between screens to get to their apps or widgets. You like what less clutter for doing this. Can see your point of view! I don't experience any lag though, zelendel, for packing my homescreens.
I suppose it was assumed that if you're more knowledgeable you'd be aware of apps and widgets with more options and functionality than the Sense launcher and its own widgets, and choose to use the former instead.
To be clear, I do like using other HTC features such as their contacts and dialler. It's just the homescreen layout I'm ranting about.
In particular for me, a good GUI, as well as looking pleasant, is as simple and quick to to use as possible. So when, for example, I'm going for a lunchbreak at work it's satisfying to be able to put my music or podcast-player on in a second without having to hunt it down.
i keep meaning to try a non sense rom but i like virtuous unity 2.39 sense 3.0 rom so much i´m loathe to part with it.
i know it only takes twenty minutes to go back to it but i just find it does everything in such a pleasant manner.. its smooth fast responsive and most of all it looks the buisness. plus as others have said you dont have to use all that sense stuff if you dont want to.
for music i do tend to use the stock player but i have been playing with other ones of late same with video but things like the clock and weather widgets for me are much more polished on the sense versions than anything comparible available from the market. plus i´ve not had any problem running low on ram or anything, the dhd is more than capable of handling sense 3.0 and whatever else one cares to throw at it without any hiccups
Circle launcher 1x1 widgets are the best
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killersloth, thanks for the heads up - it looks very useful.
ponk2k, you know I also use VU (2.39) but with Launcher Pro - have uninstalled the Sense widgets that aren't connected to anything else. You probably think what's the point! To answer my own question, I wanted a custom ROM for things like battery life optimisation, and the VU team's branding has seemed more user-friendly to me than the non-Sense ROMs. Though maybe I'll try one soon. While I've got you though, can I ask if you have a problem with the brightness dimmng slowly on command in most scenarios with that ROM version? More info in my question here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1292894
Capys runny 1.5 is perfection
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killersloth said:
Capys runny 1.5 is perfection
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100% bug free? I was thinking of trying it.
CitizenLee said:
100% bug free? I was thinking of trying it.
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Just a fair warning man. No rom will be 100% bug free. That is what the stock roms are for. The roms here are for learning and trying new things. So there will always be bugs that need to be fixed. Plus some things that one person may see something a a bug while another sees it as a feature.
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Just a fair warning man. No rom will be 100% bug free. That is what the stock roms are for. The roms here are for learning and trying new things. So there will always be bugs that need to be fixed. Plus some things that one person may see something a a bug while another sees it as a feature.
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Thanks lol.
&by 'perfection' I definitely don't mean bugfree but it is everything I expect in a good rom. From the improvements to audio, the good battery life, and now decent skins too...
If it was bugfree what would be the fun in developing with it ?
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Just a fair warning man. No rom will be 100% bug free. That is what the stock roms are for. The roms here are for learning and trying new things. So there will always be bugs that need to be fixed. Plus some things that one person may see something a a bug while another sees it as a feature.
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I meant with the basic day to day phone functions and stuff like WiFi, video playback etc. To me that's an expected level of functionality for any non beta ROM. I've flashed and tested many over the last 2.5 years of owning Android handsets so my standards are quite high
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I meant with the basic day to day phone functions and stuff like WiFi, video playback etc. To me that's an expected level of functionality for any non beta ROM. I've flashed and tested many over the last 2.5 years of owning Android handsets so my standards are quite high
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It is fully functional. I believe there is the bug in camcorder still where you have to watch play.the video in the same orientation you recorded it.
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I haven't had any problems with vu dimming slowly no. I do find that the dimming settings on the ROM are a bit brighter than on the stock ROM though but with no noticeable battery drain incurred.
Thanks will have to investigate further.
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Just a fair warning man. No rom will be 100% bug free. That is what the stock roms are for.
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...aaaand potentially not even those. I mean, they're made by humans as well, and humans are bound to make mistakes, aye? It happens.
The most productive thread i ever encountered !!! Thanks to OP