Just a thought that may have not been thought of, is there a way to fake an OTA update. Anyone familiar with PS3 hacking remembers the DNS hacks. Is there a way to redirect the update to a defined DNS so that it pulls an "update" from the "server" but it is really a custom rom etc.
jamesbdh said:
Just a thought that may have not been thought of, is there a way to fake an OTA update. Anyone familiar with PS3 hacking remembers the DNS hacks. Is there a way to redirect the update to a defined DNS so that it pulls an "update" from the "server" but it is really a custom rom etc.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think because the official roms and leaks are signed is the reason it won't work. The way we install the leaks or ruus is basically faking an ota I think
sent from my phone
Related
I just unblocked my rooted AFTV to check for the remote control update but it's not showing any. I also checked for a system update but none are showing there either. I rebooted the unit to see if that would trigger anything but nothing. I am currently on version 51.1.0.2....and my remote version is 349 (I believe the update is 351?) Any idea how to get the updates?
Thanks!!
Something tells me that is Amazon's scheme since we now have root access for the old and current update,and they are leaving it unaccessible until they patch root in the next update.
Now we have to risk bricking our Fire TVs when installing the update manually using root access.
retroben said:
Something tells me that is Amazon's scheme since we now have root access for the old and current update,and they are leaving it unaccessible until they patch root in the next update.
Now we have to risk bricking our Fire TVs when installing the update manually using root access.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
But it's weird that others are getting the updates...there must me something to entice the update to start? PLus I'd be willing to unroot since I'm not really using it much anyway...I only sideloaded a few apps with Terminal....but I believe that can be done anyway...
mikespe said:
But it's weird that others are getting the updates...there must me something to entice the update to start? PLus I'd be willing to unroot since I'm not really using it much anyway...I only sideloaded a few apps with Terminal....but I believe that can be done anyway...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
According to Amazon support, if you can get one who is even aware of the update, the update is being rolled out incrementally but he didn;t know if it was XXXX amount a night or a week.
retroben said:
Something tells me that is Amazon's scheme since we now have root access for the old and current update,and they are leaving it unaccessible until they patch root in the next update.
Now we have to risk bricking our Fire TVs when installing the update manually using root access.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Humm.. couldn't you just do a "factory reset" I just assumed that option would restore your FTV back to "NEW" condition... hence wiping everything you've added, but I don't see how that would put you in risk of "Bricking"
I'm saying this, as I thought about this myself, because it seems so easy to add XBMC root, and sideload the few apps I use.
Of course my system is very simple and basic. the only options I've added is to launch XBMC using the 'Classic TV' llama app, swap ... and swapped out the preview graphic.
I could probably redue my whole system from scratch (including a restore from XBMC) in 15-20 mins.
Even without root, not everybody has the update yet.
Right, I just plugged in my new Fire TV and I cannot progress without Upgrading. I have logged on to my router and I have the IP address of the AFTV . Is there anything I can try remotely (via SSH perhaps) to bypass the upgrade?
Thanks in advance.
hi,
i dont have one yet but done some research and you can do the following:
Block Connection to amazon servers
Enter your router settings page and block access to the following pages:
Code:
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net
http://softwareupdates.amazon.com
Unsure this will work on the UK version though
Could you let us know what FW version comes with it?
I had already blocked those pages, and I also tried just blocking the second page. Both had the same effect and resulted in me not being able to progress with the install.
This also means I am unable to report the Firmware version.
To add to this, I inadvertently unblocked the websites after rebooting my rooter and the FTV updated itself.
I am on Firmware Version 51.1.4.0_user_514006420 and cannot root. Hopefully someone is working on an exploit for this, but in the meantime I'll be using it without root.
What's root good for on these things anyway!?
TylerDurdenK said:
To add to this, I inadvertently unblocked the websites after rebooting my rooter and the FTV updated itself.
I am on Firmware Version 51.1.4.0_user_514006420 and cannot root. Hopefully someone is working on an exploit for this, but in the meantime I'll be using it without root.
What's root good for on these things anyway!?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Don't feel bad about inadvertently unblocking the website. There is currently no known method to block the forced updates on newer Fire TVs. Units that ship with 51.1.3.0 or newer are now all forcing the first update during setup.
If the Fire TV displays a language selection prompt during setup, which I assume yours did, then it is already running 51.1.3.0 or newer software.
AFTVnews.com said:
Don't feel bad about inadvertently unblocking the website. There is currently no known method to block the forced updates on newer Fire TVs. Units that ship with 51.1.3.0 or newer are now all forcing the first update during setup.
If the Fire TV displays a language selection prompt during setup, which I assume yours did, then it is already running 51.1.3.0 or newer software.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Grr! My UK version just arrived, and it will not let me do anything unless it upgrades. I so wanted root for USB access!
Lisali said:
Grr! My UK version just arrived, and it will not let me do anything unless it upgrades. I so wanted root for USB access!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It doesn't really matter. It ships with an unrootable version to begin with.
Lisali said:
Grr! My UK version just arrived, and it will not let me do anything unless it upgrades. I so wanted root for USB access!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
rbox said:
It doesn't really matter. It ships with an unrootable version to begin with.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This has been known since the German release. You just got to wait & hope for a new root method.
I downloaded the Verizon update yesterday and it brought a question to mind. I am just curious about this. I do not have the DE, just the retail version. I assume in order to do the update as downloaded, the update had to somehow have root access. What makes the update so special it can achieve root access and many brilliant people can't? Is there something in the update that allows root access? If there is, what is so special about it that it couldnt be somehow extracted and used for other purposes? I have no knowledge in this area and am wondering if someone knows the answer.
bdraulston said:
I downloaded the Verizon update yesterday and it brought a question to mind. I am just curious about this. I do not have the DE, just the retail version. I assume in order to do the update as downloaded, the update had to somehow have root access. What makes the update so special it can achieve root access and many brilliant people can't? Is there something in the update that allows root access? If there is, what is so special about it that it couldnt be somehow extracted and used for other purposes? I have no knowledge in this area and am wondering if someone knows the answer.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
very elaborate signed keys. When the update comes from the phone, the phone is coded to look for specific signed authentic keys that gets created when samsung\verizon makes an update file. If the file is modified the update will fail because the keys wont match. A developer may be able to explain it in greater detail, but that's the tidbit i gathered
So I rooted my 1st Gen FireTV as soon as I got it, and I think I'm on the very first Firmware. I had blocked OTA updates and as far as I know have never updated. that being said, I don't think I've ever done much that actually used the Root functionality. The only thing I really do is use Kodi 15.1 annnnndddd thats it.
I do own an Amazon Echo, and saw that Alexa is now part of the new FTV update. Not sure if I can link them together and just boss my FTV around via the Echo or not, but I like the idea of more / updated functionality from my FireTV
Soooo thoughts? Am I missing anything great by updating and giving up Root? I have seen that I could update with pre-rooted firmware but then I would have to install CRM / Recovery, then do incrimental upgrades after installing a Bootmenu, etc. That seems like a lot of stuff I need in place and a lot of points of failure or bricking for something I'm not sure I even need =/
If so, what would you suggest is the easiest way to re-enable OTA updates? I was going to ADB and use pm enable com.amazon.dcp Thanks for any advice, by the way, I'm pretty new at this.
Well OK then =/
Well, like many things, the answer is up to you.
If you have no need for root then you have no need to for root.
I like, many others, prefer the option of having root, recovery and unlocked bootloaders.
If you don't use anything Amazon and only use it for Kodi then root will give you the ability to freeze the FireTV Launcher have Kodi set as Home.
Installing recovery and a updated pre-rooted ROM isn't too difficult and you've done the 'hard' part by having root already.
Update wise, unless you want to be running the latest versions then yes you'll have to on top of it otherwise you can just update to the current version and be done with it.
You can check back every now and then to see what the additional updates from Amazon fix or what features it adds and decide then if you want to update.
Install TWRP and flash an older rooted image or is there something HW wise on these newer devices that prevents this? I am unsure what version of the OS this came w/ but I did just get it last week. Is there any recovery or way to image my current system in case I brick this thing before flashing TWRP?
I've been reading rooting methods and I'm reading that the requirement "was" A Fire TV 2 running stock software version 5.0.5.1 or older but I'm unsure if this is an obsolete post at this point.
Thanks much, Dave
TT_Vert said:
Install TWRP and flash an older rooted image or is there something HW wise on these newer devices that prevents this? I am unsure what version of the OS this came w/ but I did just get it last week. Is there any recovery or way to image my current system in case I brick this thing before flashing TWRP?
I've been reading rooting methods and I'm reading that the requirement "was" A Fire TV 2 running stock software version 5.0.5.1 or older but I'm unsure if this is an obsolete post at this point.
Thanks much, Dave
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sadly no the current version is not rootable.
Here is a guide to everything about root on a Fire TV.
http://www.aftvnews.com/start/
Yeah that is what I saw, wasn't sure it was still current. And from what I've read there really is no way to stop OS updates aside from somehow intercepting packets at the router right?
TT_Vert said:
Yeah that is what I saw, wasn't sure it was still current. And from what I've read there really is no way to stop OS updates aside from somehow intercepting packets at the router right?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There is a way to block them...
http://www.aftvnews.com/how-to-block-software-updates-on-the-amazon-fire-tv-or-fire-tv-stick/
I think in your case it will be Method 2. Elias over at AFTVNews.com keeps the Start Guide Updated. It's the go to site for guides & latest info.
Doesn't seem like this is an option as i'm on 5.2.4.1 "This method requires Fire OS 5.0.0 thru 5.0.5.1 to be installed on your Fire TV or Fire TV Stick to work. "
For now I just blocked those URLS on my router we'll see if that helps. Hopefully they don't change where the updates come from.
Dave
TT_Vert said:
Doesn't seem like this is an option as i'm on 5.2.4.1 "This method requires Fire OS 5.0.0 thru 5.0.5.1 to be installed on your Fire TV or Fire TV Stick to work. "
For now I just blocked those URLS on my router we'll see if that helps. Hopefully they don't change where the updates come from.
Dave
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Method 2 is a better solution. Blocking updates thru router can sometimes block other Amazon content. And you can never really have a full list of all the possible IP's. If you can solder, there might be a hardware option for your device. Not sure.
Yes I can solder but I'm not going to break it open to root it. Method two is for people who are on an older version as I quoted before.
Dave
TT_Vert said:
Yes I can solder but I'm not going to break it open to root it. Method two is for people who are on an older version as I quoted before.
Dave
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Try it. That part about the FW range might be outdated. You won't mess anything up by testing that command. Since if something change it won't find the file it is trying to hide or the hide command will be off. I don't have any unrooted devices here to test it for you. But my best guess is that it still works.
The Router/OpenDNS method of blocking things might block more then just the updates. And the list fluctuates, so it's not 100% proof. So it's good to stay away if possible.