I, for the life of me, being a compute tech since the mid 90's, can't root this mytouch g3 slide. I have android 2.2.1 installed, I know I know, I hate it when people don't RTFM, I have tried the following:
(USB Deugging is on, charge mode only when plugged in, full android SDK kit installed and working. PDAnet drivers installed, I have superoneclick 1.9 computer see the phone fine, Goldcard works perfectly.)
1. I've tried Cyanogenmod's instructions (wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/TMobile_myTouch_Slide:_Full_Update_Guide)
-Nothing happens after 2nd to last command line of step 8
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2. I have tried this "New way to downgrade from 2.2 to 2.1" (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1108316)
-4a. , It does not give me the option to "hit vol up to update"esrpimg" just flashes error no image found error messages:
3/ I have tried ULTRA EASY ROOTER (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=999121)
same problem as #2's problem, just error messages.
4. And I have tried this: "How-To [Root][NewLinks] The myTouch 3GS if you updated to Offical 2.2.1 and lost root" (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1025336)
-Everything goes smooth until I type in this line "chmod 04755 *" which I get a bank carraige return, and I can type to my hearts content, nothing happens, can't exit, etc, have to CRTL + C to get out out of it. similar problem as #1's problem. I have tried again and again and again.
Help.
Make a goldcard and install the img from the bootloader.
Then try again.
sent from my MT3GS running CM7 nightly
thanks for the reply poormanq45. I did make a goldcard, maybe it doesn't like my MicroSD card? Which image do you want me to install from the bootloader? Which instructions should I be following?
Which set of instructions talk about having a swap partition as your 3rd partition on the SD card?
poormanq45 said:
Make a goldcard and install the img from the bootloader.
Then try again.
sent from my MT3GS running CM7 nightly
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I don't remember which img I used. IIRC there are three different ones. Just try each one until one works.
It's possible that your MicroSD card isn't capable of being a goldcard. I had to try two different ones
sent from my MT3GS running CM7 nightly
My Stock 2.2.1 Process
My warranty replacement came with stock 2.2 and all of the tutorials here and elsewhere fell short. I did notice a lot of the other guides were based on "if you upgraded to 2.2"; that did not completely apply in my situation. I to am an industry professional with 14 years experience and am a stickler for detail. I had the gold card created on a SanDisk 2gb micro sd acquired from Walgreen's. I had followed all the steps in order, but the update on the first reboot never happened, it never asked and selecting the update.zip failed signature verification. I knew S-ON was set (which is the whole problem) but the guides I saw to disable it required you already be rooted (which I wasn't).
This past week I did something different. Using the official HTC MyTouch 3G Slide Froyo installer (not selecting anything just having RUU opened) I copied the folder structure (a crazy GUID looking thing) that was in my %TEMP% directory to another location. I closed out of the installer and went to that copied folder. I moved the existing "rom" file and copied the 2.1 "ESPRIMG" image there and renamed it to rom.zip. I then executed the RUU from that folder. It being an HTC official rom did allow the RUU to complete and the slide was officially downgraded to 2.1. After the reboot I verified the ROM was the older version and went ahead with what I was used to.
After that; some of my previous attempts to root were evident because I already had the "#" prompt in the adb shell. Regardless, I did repeat some of the documented steps (just in case my eyes deceived me) from the exploid method (what I used on my previous phone that was an original build). I originally flashed the CM 7.03 while the goldcard (2gb) sd was still in there. I then installed my 32GB card, then hit a nightly, then hit a few more older CM builds (had issues with sd-ext, couldn't find the original guide i used to set it up - new card as well). I did format boot, data, system, sd-ext, and the cache from the clockworkmod recovery screen before settling on CM 7.1 RC 1
If you find it necessary to create the sd-ext partition, format the fat partition in windows, format the other two in the shell. I do not recommend logging (app sync) on the first rom. Build the sd-ext first; re-rom, before doing all the account/app setup. While the phone is USB debugging mode you can use DriodExplorer to shortcut some things (especially if u have all your apks in a backup folder on your computer). I do not recommend using certain busy-box commands from the DriodExplorer terminal. The output can be out of sync at times. I have a 32gb SD and have about 29.3G on FAT, 896MB on SD-EXT (ext3 file system), and the rest on cache. After that Simple2Ext will allow for you to tell CM7 to use the SD-EXT. I do not use .android secure (the froyo apps2sd) because that causes issues when using the fat partition as disk in windows and you have something like a theme installed. Because of themes, games, and other apps I am now using 62% of the sd-ext partition. And an earlier comment I saw on the thread is right. The partition order is FAT, SD-EXT, CACHE. Where the guide is I don't recall.
Also note: If you are doing ADB commands and notice it often says the process is stale; uninstall the HTC sync (this does not affect the drivers, drivers are installed as a pre-req before HTC Sync is installed).
My only outstanding issue is the radio version might have been affected; it's not showing a version number on my info app. So I need to find a guide on verifying/upgrading the radio (one that does not involve installing the htc froyo rom).
Stuck... help.
First of all, sorry I can't past in links to the images, because I need a minimum of eight posts.
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Okay, I have made sure my phone has 25MB free. (it told me I needed this)
I have Turn USB Debugging on.
The phone is set to charge mode only.
The phone is plugged in and drivers installed. PDANet is not running.
I've tried it with a goldcard in it and out of it.
tagr.org/ScreenShot084.jpg
I Downloaded "T-Mobile_myTouch_3G_Slide_Software_Update_2.15.531.3.exe" from here the website, (I can't post the links)
I ran setup, and left it open while I went to the temp folder and copied it all out to another location.
I went to the NEW location and deleted "rom.zip" and replaced it with the 140 MB "ESPRIMG.zip" into that folder and renamed it rom.zip
In the new folder, I ran "ARUWizard.exe", agree, agree, okay, etc.
All goes okay, I get to this screen:
tagr.org/ScreenShot091.jpg
I say next, About two minutes into it, the phone reboots, put the HTC logo on it. Then on the computer, I get to this screen:
tagr.org/ScreenShot089.jpg
The phone is stuck on the "HTC" logo when the USB is plugged in. When USB is unplugged, the screen turns to this:
tagr.org/ScreenShot090.jpg
Stuck meaning, can't reboot, turn off, etc. So I have to pull the battery. When it turns on, all seems okay, it's still at 2.2.1 though.
Thoughts?
What the... why could I post pics my first post, but not my third...new policy?
eckre said:
First of all, sorry I can't past in links to the images, because I need a minimum of eight posts.
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Okay I've figured it out and wrote up a NEW Guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1189485
No goldcard is needed, no console typing ADB shell etc. blah blah blah, so easy now.
Related
If you are stuck on a ROM you don't like (t-mobile/asian carrier etc.) you can use this howto to create a goldcard to bypass the CID checks so you can downgrade and root your Hero.
01. Download QMAT 5.06 here
It’s a demo version so will only run for 10 minutes.
02. Format your SD card to FAT32. Please keep in mind some brands of SD cards do not work.
03. Use adb to run this command: adb shell cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc1/mmc1:*/cid
04. Copy the SD card cid code displayed after the adb command.
05. Start Qmat and Click on Cyptoanalysis Tools > Crypto Toolbox.
06. Look at the bottom, there is a text box (beside the “Reverse String” button) enter the SD card cid code you got earlier.
Click on the “Reverse String” button, the result is reversed…
Example: 532600bd227d9c0347329407514d5402
07. Copy the reversed SD card cid code.
08. Go to QMAT goldcard site here to generate your goldcard (yes it says for G1 but works for our Hero too).
09. Enter your email. For the correct SD card cid code, you need to replace the first 2 characters to 00.
Example: From “532600bd227d9c0347329407514d5402” to “002600bd227d9c0347329407514d5402”
10. Click Continue and you will receive the goldcard.img in .zip format in your email.
11. Go to your email, download the zip file and save it to a directory and unzip it to goldcard.img
12. Download HxD Hex Editor from here
13. Install and launch HxD Hex Editor program. (make sure you use "Run as Administrator" under Vista and win 7)
14. Go to Extra tab > Open Disk. Under Physical disk, select Removable Disk (Must be your SD card), uncheck “Open as Readonly), click OK.
15. Go to Extra again, Open Disk Image, open up goldcard.img which you’ve saved/unzipped earlier.
Now, you should have two tabs, one is your removable disk, the other is goldcard.img. Press OK when prompted for “Sector Size” 512 (Hard disks/Floppy disks), click OK.
16. Click on goldcard.img tab. Go to Edit tab > Select All, edit tab again > copy.
17. Click on the “removable disk” tab. Select offset 00000000 till offset 00000170 (including the 00000170 line), click on Edit tab and then Paste Write.
18. Click on File > Save. now you can exit the program.
19. Reboot your phone with this SD Card (now GoldCard) inside
20. Use the Official HTC RUU to downgrade to 2.73.405.5 (which you can get here) from which you can fastboot boot and/or root your phone with flashrec.
Done.
Credits:
Original heads up by tangzq with link to this
That site used the XDA Sapphire goldcard howto here
And apparently myself and XDA as this builds on the HTC knowledge from the old days (here)
In any case, enjoy your new found freedom
Holy ****znit it works! Downgrading!!!!!
Hmm. I've followed the guide and successfully skipped the CID lock check of the device and flashed it to version 2.73.405.5 WWE. Problem is, I can't seem to get the device to boot into recovery mode after using flashrec (I did download and flash it just fine). the recovery mode (home + power) booted the device but it hangs at the boot screen where it says HERO. Any idea?
Edit: Ah. a little bit of the update. while the buttons do not work, i can use adb shell reboot recovery; however, after using flashrec, it still shows the old recovery screen ?
Edit2: confirmed, recovery flasher doesn't work now im using the SEA rom
I'll try the RUU_Hero_HTC_WWE_1.76.405.6_WWE_release_signed_NoD river.exe rom later
I had the same issue with Recovery Flasher I couldn't to boot into recovery. I was also unable to downgrade to the 1.7 roms due to a bootloader version error, arghhh. Anywho, managed to work my way round it, i'll explain below. I've got a T-Mobile G2 updated to the latest rom (so no root access).
I first followed the instructions on making a goldcard and then flashed the 2.73.405.5 WWE rom fine.
Now make sure you have the cm-hero-recovery.img (http://content.modaco.net/dropzone/modacopatchedrecovery-1.0.zip) on the root of your sdcard. Aswell as Instant Root (http://neilandtheresa.co.uk/Android/) now install Instant Root on the phone. It should pop up with a notification "instant root was sucessfully" or along those lines. (If you have a problem installing Instant Root make sure Settings>Applications>Unknown Sources is checked)
Instant root then allows for root access with adb shell using the following 2 commands:
1) adb shell
then
2) su
the icon should change from a $ to #.
Now flash the recovery image with the following command:
1) flash_image recovery /sdcard/cm-hero-recovery.img
This shouldn't take that long once completed it will go back the # prompt example below.
# flash_image recovery /sdcard/cm-hero-recovery.img (I typed this)
flash_image recovery /sdcard/cm-hero-recovery.img (this pops up)
# (this shows the flash completed)
Now pull out your usb cable and battery, turn on the phone with the battery in place while holding the home button and it should boot into the custom recovery .
Well, I hope this helps someone and I didn't just waste my time . Oh, thanks for posting the goldcard instructions.
it worked!!!
Thanks so much! I did the exact process before (see other thread) but I must have missed something. Following this process exactly is what did it. I am guessing something about the reboot and the RUU is where i went wrong before.
I can confirm this works on the 2.73.707.9 ROM
Yaaahaaaayyhaahhahahaahaayyyyyyyyyyyy!!! I feel so happy for all you guys who had this problem (although I myself did not!!)
I kind of half gave up at 6:00 am yesrterday and i just woke up (1
:27pm) and followed the instructions here and BAM! got a working nandroid backup and a custom rom \o/!!! thanks to all of you!
so it's tested and proven for 2.73.707.9?great!
umm ... guys.. if u dont mind me asking...... why do we need it?
do we have hero versions which cant be rooted with any methods?
dying4004 said:
umm ... guys.. if u dont mind me asking...... why do we need it?
do we have hero versions which cant be rooted with any methods?
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yup, we couldn't root certain asian carrier roms and t-mob rom and they couldnt downgrade so the where stuck, until now....
tianci86 said:
so it's tested and proven for 2.73.707.9?great!
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CONFIRMED! it works on 2.73.707.9 , just got 2.73.405.5 , im so happy , thanks soo much guys your the best
My Hero..... lol
Thanks, I thought I would be owned by T-Mobile for ever after the ROM update
Now I'm back to the HTC default ROM (NOT T-Mobile G2 Touch!!!), cup of coffee time before Rooting flashing etc and remaining from now on faithful to Paul and the MoDaCo ROM
hey guys!
i have a question
im a owner of an tmobile g2 touch and want to have the new firmware of the htc hero can i use this hack to update to the newest firmware because at the moment it says if i want so update: error this rom is not for your device, and so on..
thx !
bye
sry for my english im from germany
gyounut said:
hey guys!
i have a question
im a owner of an tmobile g2 touch and want to have the new firmware of the htc hero can i use this hack to update to the newest firmware because at the moment it says if i want so update: error this rom is not for your device, and so on..
thx !
bye
sry for my english im from germany
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ja das stimmt
thx jesterz
successfully update singapore hero 2.73.707 to 2.73.405, rooting in a while...
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I had the same issue with Recovery Flasher I couldn't to boot into recovery. I was also unable to downgrade to the 1.7 roms due to a bootloader version error, arghhh. Anywho, managed to work my way round it, i'll explain below. I've got a T-Mobile G2 updated to the latest rom (so no root access).
I first followed the instructions on making a goldcard and then flashed the 2.73.405.5 WWE rom fine.
Now make sure you have the cm-hero-recovery.img (http://content.modaco.net/dropzone/modacopatchedrecovery-1.0.zip) on the root of your sdcard. Aswell as Instant Root (http://neilandtheresa.co.uk/Android/) now install Instant Root on the phone. It should pop up with a notification "instant root was sucessfully" or along those lines. (If you have a problem installing Instant Root make sure Settings>Applications>Unknown Sources is checked)
Instant root then allows for root access with adb shell using the following 2 commands:
1) adb shell
then
2) su
the icon should change from a $ to #.
Now flash the recovery image with the following command:
1) flash_image recovery /sdcard/cm-hero-recovery.img
This shouldn't take that long once completed it will go back the # prompt example below.
# flash_image recovery /sdcard/cm-hero-recovery.img (I typed this)
flash_image recovery /sdcard/cm-hero-recovery.img (this pops up)
# (this shows the flash completed)
Now pull out your usb cable and battery, turn on the phone with the battery in place while holding the home button and it should boot into the custom recovery .
Well, I hope this helps someone and I didn't just waste my time . Oh, thanks for posting the goldcard instructions.
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Did it last night and got it working, used the AMON Hero recovery image instead and partitioned my sd card without going through the manual adb solution.
Cheers
could this be adapted for the sprint hero?
Sprint Hero support request strongly seconded, i am desperate to get my CDMA Hero rooted.
have you guys tried using thesame method and got anywhere? I mean, from what I know is that you can't even boot in to recovery mode right? have you guys tries the adb method to boot into rec mode at least?
Aces!!!!
Worked on Indian 2.73.720 like a charm.
Thanks.
Hi there !
Many people here want to be S-OFF on their HTC Desire but don't know how to be, this thread is for you !
Credits goes to all AlphaRev developpers.
What is S-OFF ?
(Quotes from original AlphaRev website)
HTC implemented security on their newer generation phones. This flag, called @secuflag, controls whether your phone has
it's NAND or flash unlocked. Most noticeably, S-ON (security on) will read-lock your /system and /recovery partition, to name a few. Also, secuflag controls whether zip files being flashed through recovery or fastboot, are signed by HTC.
The now notorious S-OFF (security off) will disable this NAND security.
Since we are unable to access the Radio NVRAM itself (where secuflag is stored), we turned our attention to HBOOT.
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For more informations about AlphaRev S-OFF, read the OFFICIAL Thread HERE.
There is many solutions to install S-OFF, this tutorial will show you few methods.
TRY AT YOUR OWN RISK ! I'am not responsible of bricked phone, for more help try the OFFICIAL Thread.
PREREQUISITES :
a ROOTed HTC Desire ROM with debugging option enabled on it.
a computer running Windows XP/Vista/Seven (32 or 64 bits), Linux, or Emulation via WMware etc.
a computer which can boot USB devices (for USB method only)
a branded USB Key 32Mb or more (for USB method) or a CD to burn (for CD method).
EASIEST method so far seems to be now by "Revolutionary" method.
Please check this out before trying solutions below (they are manual and maybe outdated, because I don't have the time keep updated this topic, moreover I don't own anymore a HTC Desire).
STEP-BY-STEP GUIDES :
.: USB METHOD :.
Be sure to Nandroid backup your device from recovery (just in case).
Download the latest Universal USB Installer or UnetBootin.
Download ISO Reflash Utility from AlphaRev website.
Install the software of your choice.
Open it, and select your USB device and your AlphaRev ISO freshly downloaded.
Create your bootable USB key.
Reboot your computer and boot on the USB key you freshly created.
Press any key to accept the disclamer.
Once you are in your ROM, plug your Desire with the USB cable on your computer.
/!\ DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING TILL YOU GET THE FINISH MESSAGE AT STEP 3 /!\
(Some users reports it can take over 1 hour. Passed this time, pull out the battery and reboot your phone).
The USB key method worked 100% for me, I personally installed my S-OFF exactly like that on my Desire.
.: CD METHOD :. (by jshields)
Clic HERE
.: VirtualBox METHOD :. (by Stewge)
Clic HERE
.: VMWare METHOD :. (by -V-O-Y-A-G-E-R-)
Clic HERE
Congratulations ! you are done !
Note : If for some unknown reasons you cannot access your Recovery anymore, it's normal, you must flash your Recovery using "fastboot" (SDK Android Kit must be installed on your running computer).
You have the choice between flashing a custom recovery like ClockWork one or put the original one but I sugger you the custom one which gives you much many more features
How to flash your recovery using ClockWork's image :
Download Clockworkmod 2.5.0.7 recovery image from official AlphaRev thread for bravo.
Move the file into "C:\android-sdk-windows\tools" (default sdk android folder's installation).
Verify MD5 checksum of the image with a freeware like HashCalc or something (IMPORTANT !).
Go to the main menu of your AlphaRev HBOOT (turn on your device with return button pressed).
Go to "FASTBOOT" mode.
Go to your computer and open a new terminal (Administrator privileges required if Windows Vista or 7).
Enter exactly this (without ") : "fastboot flash recovery recovery-clockwork-2.5.0.7-bravo.img".
Now you will have a ClockWork Recovery image installed and working
Note 2 : If your device freeze on boot logo, apply your Nandroid backup that your did before S-OFF.. that should do the trick.
If one day you want to S-ON your phone again, just reflash an original RUU rom !
Need supports ? all kind of questions must be posted on this thread directly. Be sure to read the whole thread (or at least 5 latest pages) before asking any question.
If you enjoy this guide, don't forget to rate it
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Thank you so much, been waiting for this, will try it out later
nice tut but you can avoid installing anything, You can just use UnetBootin
Or CD version
1.download Alpha Rev.iso
2.burn .iso image to CD using a iso burning software eg. Power ISO
3.boot from CD eg. Hold F12 at boot
4.press the Legendary enter
TIPS connect USB when the CD has booted
Any problems just pm me
Sent from my HTC Desire s-off
Beaverman20 said:
nice tut but you can avoid installing anything, You can just use UnetBootin
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It's nearly the same, you don't have to install universal usb installer, however, it is Windows-only.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Really good work... a simple and clear guide
jshields said:
Or CD version
1.download Alpha Rev.iso
2.burn .iso image to CD using a iso burning software eg. Power ISO
3.boot from CD eg. Hold F12 at boot
4.press the Legendary enter
TIPS connect USB when the CD has booted
Any problems just pm me
Sent from my HTC Desire s-off
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Yeah, I found it much easier to just burn to a rewrittable CD. F8 on bootup to load up my boot menu, then I selected my CD Rom.
nice tut, simple and very clearly...
oh don't forget to put in the first post for ppl who gets stuck at stage 3 (it happen to me) just to wait for about 30 minutes or more (don't know exactly how long, just for safety), and then pull out the battery and reboot the phone...
many ppl report it work....
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
I think I'm done with the flashing of the hboot from alpharev
But now my phone keeps rebooting to the fastboot screen.
I've tried removing the battery and rebooting again, reboot from fastboot, reboot from clockwork recovery... but i still cant boot up my rom.......
Anyone can shed me a light on what went wrong?
All options to apply S-off should be included, this is a 'how to', and this is not THE only way to do it, personally I found virtual box the easiest method for me. I just think that some other options should be made clear to people, maybe people that have used a different method could add their own ' how to' to this thread?
Great idea though to help people.
sent from my HTC Desire, powered by a SuperVillain using XDA App.
Sorry to noob it up here but what are the benefits of S-OFF. im guessing it means security. does this enable us to hack the kernal? as a user who doesnt do programming but likes to mod my phone alot what could i gain out of this?
thankyou in advance
Yeah sorry for newbies here but what is the benefits of this s-off?
eozen81 said:
Yeah sorry for newbies here but what is the benefits of this s-off?
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Maybe its a good thing to sum up the benefits on the first page, to stop these kind of questions and making it a 500 page topic where you cant find answers...
I know if you read the forum, or use google you can find all the info
Info from the http://alpharev.shadowchild.nl/ site
HTC implemented security on their newer generation phones. This flag, called @secuflag, controls whether your phone has
it's NAND or flash unlocked. Most noticeably, S-ON (security on) will read-lock your /system and /recovery partition, to name a few. Also, secuflag controls whether zip files being flashed through recovery or fastboot, are signed by HTC.
The now notorious S-OFF (security off) will disable this NAND security.
I gonna change a bit the tutorial, and add the other solutions. Will do a link directly of posters with the solution he use, will be easier for me
AndroidGX said:
I gonna change a bit the tutorial, and add the other solutions. Will do a link directly of posters with the solution he use, will be easier for me
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allrighty then
Ok, many changes on the tutorial, hope you like it
Tried to do as clear as possible, and add some features.
If any method to add please PM me, I will add it with your name directly from your post here.
Thanks!
AndroidGX said:
Ok, many changes on the tutorial, hope you like it
Tried to do as clear as possible, and add some features.
If any method to add please PM me, I will add it with your name directly from your post here.
Thanks!
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looks great !
I have now read all the information i can find about S-OFF - Only advantage i can find is that you can change bootscreen.. What are the options if i choose to make S-OFF on my phone - What else can i change ? My phone is rooted, and i have flashed roms and kernels with S-ON - So you guys really need to show more advantages to this than what has already been written..
Nobody is trying to sell you anything. Why don't you GTFO?
ionhide said:
I have now read all the information i can find about S-OFF - Only advantage i can find is that you can change bootscreen.. What are the options if i choose to make S-OFF on my phone - What else can i change ? My phone is rooted, and i have flashed roms and kernels with S-ON - So you guys really need to show more advantages to this than what has already been written..
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You post in the wrong thread, go say that in the original S-OFF thread (gave in first post).
Here is just a help for people who want to install S-OFF feature on their Desire. Nothing else.
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Note: This application is no longer being updated and is only recommended for use on Froyo builds.
What is VISIONary?
VISIONary (so named because it was originally an application designed for the T-Mobile G2 / HTC Vision) is an application you install on your device that allows you to Temproot or optionally Permroot your device, using the 'rageagainstthecage' exploit.
How do I use it?
It's pretty simple really. The options appear as follows:
Temproot on boot - use this to automatically Temproot on each boot (I suggest Temprooting manually first to confirm all is well before enabling this)
Run visionary.sh after root - this allows you to run a script (as root) after rooting. The script file is /data/local/visionary.sh
Set system r/w after root - this allows you to leave the /system partition read/write after root
Temproot now - root temporarily (the root wil be lost after reboot)
Attempt permroot now - attempt to apply a permanent root (please read the safety information below before doing this!)
Unroot now - this will unroot your device
Safety information!
You use VISIONary at your own risk! Although we test it as much as possible, we are unable to guarantee that weird things won't happen.
As a rule, the 'Temproot' option of VISIONary should be completely safe. It installs an application (Superuser) in the conventional way and then sets up a 'ramdisk' for the other parts, which is wiped on boot. As such, no changes are made to the system partition of your device, hence it is considered a 'safe options'.
Permroot on the other hand is inherently more risky. Permroot does make changes to the /system partition of your device. Technically speaking the only change that is made is the installation of a small file to /system/xbin, but any system partition change comes with risks. If you try to permroot, be aware that you might get into a situation where your device will not boot. For this reason, we recommend you have a 'safety net'.
In general, the best 'safety net' for going ahead and doing a Permroot is ensuring that you have a copy of the stock ROM to reinstall should things go wrong. This should be an original update EXE or zip from your device manufacturer / provider which matches the software version currently installed on your device. Bear in mind that flashing older versions is often not possible, so if your device has been updated over-the-air, an update may not yet be available in this form. Hence, you may not be able to find a 'safety net' and attempting to Permroot would be inherently risky. For HTC devices at least, one option would be to Temproot, edit the MISC partition to revert the 'mainver' to an older version, thereby allowing you to flash an update older than the currently installed version should things go wrong. That option is currently outside the scope of this post, although I will provide details on how to accomplish this in another post.
Got your safety net? Aware of the risks? The download is below.
Download
r14 - (see changelog below for details) - [url="http://android.modaco.com/content/software/320350/19-nov-r14-visionary-one-click-root/]DOWNLOAD[/url]
The download is in APK format (if it is downloaded with a 'zip' extension simply rename). Copy to your device and click to install (or run 'adb install -r com.modaco.visionaryplus.r14.apk' if you have the SDK installed).
NOTE: USB DEBUGGING MUST BE ENABLED FOR VISIONARY TO WORK!
And finally
Details on how to donate should you wish to do so are in download topic at MoDaCo.
Enjoy!
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thanks for you guys work
works perfectly! thanks
Does nothing for me, just sits there saying rooting device, flashes every few seconds
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Question Answered..
Thank you P, my reboot question has been answered... just click and proceed. (To Be Tested)
It feels so good to see you on the scene.. It's been a while.. Since the N1
v8pwrdz28 said:
Does nothing for me, just sits there saying rooting device, flashes every few seconds
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v8pwrdz28 said:
Does nothing for me, just sits there saying rooting device, flashes every few seconds
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Reboot and try again...
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paulobrien said:
Reboot and try again...
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How long should the program run?
I have no experience whatsoever in developing or rooting on Android, so excuse me if this is a stupid question. When you say that if we want something to happen every time we finish rooting at bootup, to put it in /data/local/visionary.sh, what exactly does that mean? How does one go about doing this?
when i run this it just keeps saying rooting device with spinning wheel at top then it reboots
Not Working
Just getting the spinning wheel and flashing with no progress. Even tried to reboot and start over with no results
Thank you for making my life easier.
Does this app require you to do the "one-time" first step of the temp root process before you can use it?
Like others have said, this doesnt work for me. Just flashes rooting please wait and nothing happens.
Hey thanks it worked .. At first it kept running and nothing happened, so i rebooted the phone and it worked in the first try.
LogicHell said:
Does this app require you to do the "one-time" first step of the temp root process before you can use it?
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What should happen...
Boot device
Click VISIONary icon
Phase 1 runs
Logo disappears briefly as app reloads
Phase 2 runs
App disappears and root is complete
If this doesn't happen, I suggest rebooting and trying again.
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Does it use the old 'root' script (copy everything to /system/bin and /system/app) or the new method? The old one expires eventually when linux drops the cache, the new one stays forever (until reboot). (Also, putting superuser on /data/app means it remembers it's permissions and grants across reboot, instead of losing it every time.)
The updated script is here:
Disconn3ct said:
FYI I altered the script to survive cache flushes and such. If you use this instead of the old 'root' script (and put everything in /data/local/bin instead of tmp) it will make the bare mininum number of changes to /system and those changes will last until you reboot (instead of flushing out over time).
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Auto Root
I downloaded Startup Manager from the Market and set VISIONary to auto load on each bootup and so as of right now it auto loads with each restart. Very handy until it auto loads on itself. Just a thought.
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Does it use the old 'root' script (copy everything to /system/bin and /system/app) or the new method? The old one expires eventually when linux drops the cache, the new one stays forever (until reboot). (Also, putting superuser on /data/app means it remembers it's permissions and grants across reboot, instead of losing it every time.)
The updated script is here:
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Good call on putting the Superuser APK on /system/app! re: the 'old' or 'new' way, i'm doing it the old fashioned way (didn't know there was another way, heh)!
If you can point me to it, i'll change it for r2.
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to start off with here is the problem list:
1) any rom, ruu, etc loaded will not boot past htc screen and if they do it boot loops 5 seconds into the animation.
2) clockwork reads error, E: /dev/block/xxxxxxxxxxx and cant mount data or cache partitions.
3) when doing a cat of mounts there are only five items instead of the 20 an unrooted stock phone possesses.
so in short i am asking for ideas maybe i have not tried "be creative here" to recover or reinstall "in my opinion the best fix" the whole main file system. just as if it was merely hardware blank from the factory. maybe push over new /dev, /system, /data, /cache etc etc as i believe the file system is corrupted and missing directories.
thanks for your time and thoughts...
*edit* i have been trouble shooting with the brilliant guys over at incredibleforum as well and thus whats lead me to my question here. so the back story, everything i've tried already, findings, and pictures are already posted here (not to violate TOS just for reference):
incredibleforum . com/forum/htc-incredible-rescue-squad/10812-boot-loop-after-exhausting-ever-possible-fix-my-head-experiance-help.html
Have you tried to ruu to stock froyo, and then do a factory reset thru hboot? Also when you say you ruu'd before did you do the PB31IMG.zip ruu or the ruu exe, or did you try both? Also have you at some point gotten the 5 vibes of death while booting?
i have done the ruu's both in hboot pb31img and via the exe while i booted into hboot. and i've never gotten nor heard of the five vibes. but exploring the file system there are directories missing for some reason. so i'm figuring the ruu's and roms aren't installing certain files due to not having a place to put them.
Sounds bad to me. I know they say if it turns on its not bricked, but if an ruu cant write to the partitions you will probably never be able to find a way to either. Hey im not an expert though by any means. Hope some one can help you figure it out.
the ruu cant write to the partitions because they don't seem to exist or the mounts for those directories. thats why i'm interested in finding a way to rewrite the partitions back to factory. there is a way because the phone wasn't built with this file system on it so there is a way to write /dev /system /cache /data etc.. maybe even a way to pull it off a stock phone and write to this one?? i can adb shell and view all of the files so i know its accessible. and hboot and recovery both work and can flash successfully. come on xda don't let me down i know there are some really brilliant and creative minds out there who think this is an easy fix to them.
tophkr said:
the ruu cant write to the partitions because they don't seem to exist or the mounts for those directories. thats why i'm interested in finding a way to rewrite the partitions back to factory. there is a way because the phone wasn't built with this file system on it so there is a way to write /dev /system /cache /data etc.. maybe even a way to pull it off a stock phone and write to this one?? i can adb shell and view all of the files so i know its accessible. and hboot and recovery both work and can flash successfully. come on xda don't let me down i know there are some really brilliant and creative minds out there who think this is an easy fix to them.
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which hBOOT do you have? have you tried to reinstall the hBOOT?
http://pvillecomp.com/?page_id=4
after you reinstall hBOOT then try to ruu with the .exe
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which hBOOT do you have? have you tried to reinstall the hBOOT?
http://pvillecomp.com/?page_id=4
after you reinstall hBOOT then try to ruu with the .exe
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+1 for reflashing hboot.
An ruu is ment to program the phone as if it were strait off the line never touched. It should create the file structure and partitions if they dont exist. What bothers me about your problem is that flashing roms or dooing ruu's compleet sucessfully without error. If the ruu cant write to these partitions it should stop and give an error, not just continue as if everything is ok. So to me it seems its writing to them fine but then for some reason cant read from them. Same for flashing a rom if it cant mount the partitions it should halt and give an error.
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+1 for reflashing hboot.
An ruu is ment to program the phone as if it were strait off the line never touched. It should create the file structure and partitions if they dont exist. What bothers me about your problem is that flashing roms or dooing ruu's compleet sucessfully without error. If the ruu cant write to these partitions it should stop and give an error, not just continue as if everything is ok. So to me it seems its writing to them fine but then for some reason cant read from them. Same for flashing a rom if it cant mount the partitions it should halt and give an error.
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well you have have a partition that has blocked write access so when RUU reads it, it works but when it try's to write it skips it.
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i currently have .92 installed but i've gone back as far as .77 due to it being the development copy with full fastboot and adb capabilities. but i will try to reflash hboot .92 and then run ruu from computer while still in hboot.. worth a shot
You could try this. Sounds like your issue. Post 3.
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/6433-solved-messed-up-partitions-on-internal-storage/page__st__20
tried that and i'm guessing the correct partitions are no longer there because i recieve this:
Error: /dev/block/mmcblk0: unrecognised disk label
and get that with every partition in the mmcblk catagory
ok so i have a question based on a possible cause to this problem.. if the prebious owner had flashed a droid incredible 2 rom insted of a DINC rom.. i know that can cause issues flashing the wrong roms.. how would you go about fixing that?
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ok so i have a question based on a possible cause to this problem.. if the prebious owner had flashed a droid incredible 2 rom insted of a DINC rom.. i know that can cause issues flashing the wrong roms.. how would you go about fixing that?
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Did you try the link on the last page?
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Did you try the link on the last page?
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the link to using parted to fix the partition format.. yes but those folders do not exist. when i show a list of my mounted partitions cache, data, system and a few others don't show up in the list at all. so because they don't exist anymore i don't know what partitions to remake or what folders need to go in them, which to mount etc.
So when you run the RUU's and PBIMG's they complete successfully without error?
also on a kind of related note, have you looked into booting a rom from your SD card or internal storage? Its not a fix or anything just merely might give you the satisfaction that your phone can boot a rom lol though it might not be by the traditional or standard means
nope i've never looked into how to boot a rom from internal storage. could you supply a link to instructions as this might be a temp fix while i continue to try and fix this.
and yes when i run them they compleate with no errors. only errors appear when looking in recovery.
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nope i've never looked into how to boot a rom from internal storage. could you supply a link to instructions as this might be a temp fix while i continue to try and fix this.
and yes when i run them they compleate with no errors. only errors appear when looking in recovery.
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I would try a Google or XDA search because I've never tried it myself. Last I remember punk.kaos did it back when I had an Eris and I think more recently conap did it with the Incredible. Sorry I couldn't be of more help :/
i'm going to look into it but i've never heard of it being done except on the hd2 and hd7 using ram loading. but thanks for the ideas
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Hello XDA and community. I've compiled a complete walkthrough to root, s-off, and flash a custom rom on your GSM HTC Desire. This guide was created with NOOBS in mind so please follow along.
***This method only works for users with hboot 0.93 and lower. Sorry 1.06 users, but until unrevoked updates, your stuck on stock htc***
To check your hboot, turn off your phone. Hold volume down and press power while continuing to hold volume down. A white screen should load with alot of information on it. The 2nd line will have your hboot version.
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***I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE IF YOU BRICK YOUR DEVICE***
Table of Contents
Step One - Service Provider RUU roms
Step Two - Root Preparations
Step Three - How To Root Your Device
Step Four - How To S-Off Your Device
Step Five - How To Partition Your Sd Card
Step Six - How To Nandroid Backup
Step Seven - How To Flash a Custom Rom
Step Eight - Optional Extras
The 1st thing im going to teach you about is your service providers RUU rom. This is not nessesary for the rooting procedure, but nessesary if you have problems or need to send your phone in for repair. So lets be safe and download it before hand.
STEP ONE - Download Your Providers RUU rom
A RUU rom is the stock rom your provider had preinstalled in your desire. The reason for downloading is just incase you have problems, you can always reflash the RUU back to the factory default. Your providers RUU rom will erase your root, s-off, apps, contacts, sms messages, and call history. The RUU will not touch anything you have saved to your sdcard such as music, photos, or videos.
Now on your phone, goto settings>about phone>software then look for your baseband version and build version. Use that information to find your RUU file here:
http://shipped-roms.com/shipped/Bravo/ and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695667
Once you have your RUU file downloaded, store it in a safe place on your pc. Now im going to show a video of me flashing my providers stock RUU. You do not need to do this, im only shooting this to showcase to new comers that its easy to erase root and return to your providers stable sense 2.2.
******PLZ NOTE YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PERFORM A RUU FLASH, I ONLY DID ONE TO SHOWCASE HOW EASY IT IS TO REMOVE ROOT ACCESS AND FEATURES ******
Watch this video showcasing how to flash the RUU if you ever need too:
I created part one strickly because I understand how difficult it can be when you want root access but your afraid of the repercussions.
Now that you understand how todo a emergency reflash, lets prepare your phone and computer so they can transmit the root through hboot
STEP TWO - Root Preparations
First things first, download and install HTC sync which can be found at: http://www.htc.com
After its completely installed, open control panel then goto programs and features. Look for HTC sync and uninstall it. But leave the drivers. DO NOT UNINSTALL ANYTHING OTHER THEN HTC SYNC. The drivers are needed to connect your phone in hboot mode. Next, Your going to have to flash a modifed usb driver so you can transmit the root through hboot mode. i was going todo a video for this section but i found this tutorial could showcase what you need todo alot clearer then i could with a video. So just click the following link and continue following along
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/windows_hboot_driver_install
After youve updated the usb hboot driver, its time to prepare your phone. First thing we are going todo is turn on usb debugging. Goto settings>applications>development>usb debugging and turn this feature on. It allows your phone and pc to have a conversation and exchange information with one another. Next, click your back button so your at settings>applications and make sure unknown sources is also turned on. At this point, you should reset your phone and reset your computer. Now that youve prepared your phone and pc to communicate through hboot mode, your ready to use unrevoked to root your phone
STEP THREE - Rooting Your Device Using Unrevoked
Now that your ready fto flash root access, download Unrevoked3 here: http://unrevoked.com/recovery/
Unrevoked is the program used to flash superuser, busybox, and clockwork recovery into your phone. Once downloaded, hook your phone up to your computer and when it asks you what kind of connection you'd like, click charge only and dont ask me again.
Heres a video to showcase the installation. Just follow along:
After youve successfully rooted your device, youve opened your device to most but not all features your device is capable of doing. You now have to S-off using alpharev to fully unlock the power of android.
STEP FOUR - S-Off Precedure With Alpharev
HTC created a new security feature they have implemented into the majority of there phones which blocks the ability to really tweak the phones internal features like your splash screen, boot animations, changing the size of system partitions, etc. You must create a way to bypass the security system which can be done with alpharev s-off procedure.
First thing were gonna do is download the alpharev hboot reflash utility from: http://alpharev.nl/
Once you have this file downloaded, you have to burn it with an iso burning program or place it on a usb drive. I perfer the disc as i have so many laying around. I Used Magic Iso to burn the boot disc which can be found here http://www.magiciso.com/download.htm
Once you have magiciso installed, all u have to do is open it, then click the "Burn dvd/cd with iso" then click the alpharev iso, then burn it.
Once you have your alpharev s-off disc in hand, you must setup your pc so it reads boot discs before it reads windows on your hard drive. To do this, restart your pc. When your pc restarts, it will have a screen with your manufacturers logo. In one of these corners it will say something like "press F5 for setup." press the required button your specific computer asks for and it will bring your too a menu like this:
Your computer will start the boot sequence from the top of the list. So you want to move your cd/dvd drive above your hdd in the boot list. once youve moved it above your hdd, save the changes and close the setup menu. Below is a video of the S-off precedure starting from where the text ended.
After youve successfully s-offed your device, its time to partition your sdcard.
STEP FIVE - Partitioning Your Sd Card With Gparted
A majority of custom roms today come with a feature called "App2sd". This feature allows movement of most applications to your sd card to save valuable system space which is definately needed for a device with such a small amount of room for applications [131mbs] as the desire. To set this feature up, you must first partition your sd card using a program called "Gparted". You can download this program here: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/download.php
After youve downloaded the file, you must burn it in the same method as you burned alpharev. Again, use magiciso to burn a boot disc you can use to bootup when you turn on your pc. Follow along with this video:
STEP SIX - Stock Nandroid Backup
After youve successfully partitioned your sd card, youve got to make a stock nandroid backup just incase you have an issue with a rom you decided to try.
Watch this video for instructions:
Now that youve made a backup of your stock rom, your ready to flash a custom rom
STEP SEVEN - Flashing A Custom Rom
Now that your ready to flash a custom rom, you have quite afew choices. But after many months of testing, im going to post my personal favorites of each type.
First, we have sense roms. Sense roms are the same as the stock htc rom butwith tweaks and modifications. My personal favorite sense rom is Leedroid which can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=768703
Second, we have sense hd roms. sense hd roms are roms pulled from the desire hd. There basically the same as sense roms except they give you extra features like flipclock, the porsonalize button, skins, etc. These are my second favorite type of rom. And my personal favorite sense hd rom is Cool Sense Hd which can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=899943
UPDATE- Third, We Have Gingersense roms. Gingersense is a sense hd rom updated to googles gingerbread 2.3.x. So youll have all the greatness of a sense hd rom with the additions of gingerbread like notification settings, a new app drawer etc. These roms are amazing but still in development stages and lack specific features like camera and a proper 3d graphics lib. My personal favorite is Robo's RCMixS which can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=988570
Fourth, we have ASOP roms. These are the stock google roms. They are pritty bare minimum roms but incredible in the speed department. These are my favorite type of rom. And my personal favorite of the bunch is Cyanogen Mod 7 which can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957344
Last but not least, we have MIUI roms. These are the closest thing your going to get to an Iphone. If your looking for an iphone look, go with an MIUI rom. Favorite MIUI rom is Xj's 2.3 which can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957291
It's up to your personal preference, so go ahead and choose your favorite then continue. Im going to use Cyanogen Mod 7 RC3. Follow the video
Now that you have your custom rom installed, your good 2 go! enoy the power of android. The desire is already a great device but with all the extra youve just setup, its spectacular. There are still extras you can flash if you choose too. Step eight is purely optional.
[OPTIONAL] STEP EIGHT - How To Use Android Flasher
Android Flasher is a program for your pc you can use to flash custom splash screens [the 1st screen u see when u bootup ie. the joker alpharev], your boot animation [the cm7 spinning wheel], and your recovery [clockwork, amonra]. Download android flasher here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=794638
And a good desire splashscreen thread is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8367224
Basically, extract the downloaded file to your desktop, open it and click android flasher. hook your phone up via usb cable on charge only. click the splashscreen box and begin. it will then ask where the file is. direct it to your file and click ok. it will ask if this is the picture you want. click ok. it will then load the splash into your phone. The odd time you will get a error and it wont flash. If this happens to you, just restart your computer and try again. Also make sure unknown sources is on and usb debugging.
Ive just spent approx 20 hours creating this thread to help all the newcomers to the forum so plz, if this helped you, click the thank you button
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