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[Q] Quick question re: HBOOT

I installed CM& RC4 last night on my brothers Desire. I then flashed the bravo_alphaspl-cm7.img from alpharev to give him more space for his apps.
Now just for the future i need to know, if i want to install a different type of ROM (stock, leedroid etc), will i need to flash another HBOOT to his phone? If so, does this be done before or after installing a new ROM?
Just wanting to future proof myself here in case he asks for sense back or something.

Yes, the CM7 HBOOT partition table is designed for the CyanogenMod usage. The stock ROMs and LeeDroid need another partition table and consequently another HBOOT.
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and flash hboot before rom
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Except Oxygen. If you go to Oxygen it should be fine.

Hboot

Is there any difference between cm7/stock hboot?
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orsidoc said:
Is there any difference between cm7/stock hboot?
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if i flash a rom that says cm7 hboot does it implies that it changes my hboot?currently i am on stock hboot....thanks in advance

orsidoc said:
if i flash a rom that says cm7 hboot does it implies that it changes my hboot?currently i am on stock hboot....thanks in advance
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That means the ROM is designed to run with the CM7 hboot - the hboot is a separate thing you may want to flash.
Note that you don't have to do this - ROMs will work fine with the stock hboot, but the custom one will give you more space for apps in the /data partition.

Some roms works only with custom Hboot like CM7 Hboot or Oxygen Hboot, if the rom doesn't need CM7 Hboot stay with stock Hboot
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orsidoc said:
if i flash a rom that says cm7 hboot does it implies that it changes my hboot?currently i am on stock hboot....thanks in advance
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What's the rom in question?

Fr_78: not quite. As stated above you if you are running stock hboot you will be able to use cm7 roms as well.
The difference is in the partition layout, and as the cm7 hboot has a smaller system partition you won't be able to run a sense rom with it. However you will be able to do it the other way around(cm7 rom on std hboot), as there will just be loads of free(and unusable) space on the system partition.

Have been wondering this myself... I am using baadnewz's GS 2.1 ROMs lately in A2SD+... I have been wanting to switch to the CM7 version due it being apparently faster and lighter on internal memory. Have not got around to flashing CM7 HBoot yet, but if I run on stock HBoot, will I still see the advantages in speed and memory??
PS, I am not S-Off yet, either...that was to be part of the CM7 HBoot procedure...

If it's space you want for apps, try using StarBurst or SuperNova ROM, which both use Data2SD. LeeDroid, MIUI also support Data2SD (but you'll need to flash the A2SD killer first, then install Data2SD afterwards). No need to flash custom HBoot, IMO.

It's the one from Robocik rcmix1.0 but with cm i have memory problems but they say its faster...dunno what to do..
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mortenmhp said:
Fr_78: not quite. As stated above you if you are running stock hboot you will be able to use cm7 roms as well.
The difference is in the partition layout, and as the cm7 hboot has a smaller system partition you won't be able to run a sense rom with it. However you will be able to do it the other way around(cm7 rom on std hboot), as there will just be loads of free(and unusable) space on the system partition.
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Yes I know, I was not saying that, I say that some roms works only with CM7 Hboot currently RCMix S 1.0
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777ace said:
Have been wondering this myself... I am using baadnewz's GS 2.1 ROMs lately in A2SD+... I have been wanting to switch to the CM7 version due it being apparently faster and lighter on internal memory. Have not got around to flashing CM7 HBoot yet, but if I run on stock HBoot, will I still see the advantages in speed and memory??
PS, I am not S-Off yet, either...that was to be part of the CM7 HBoot procedure...
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The rom sits in the /system partition, and all of that partition is ringfenced according to your partition table, so it can't be used for other things. So even if the rom is smaller, unless you change the hboot, you don't get more free internal memory (/data partition).

how can i have both of them?cm7 and stock?

stringer7 said:
The rom sits in the /system partition, and all of that partition is ringfenced according to your partition table, so it can't be used for other things. So even if the rom is smaller, unless you change the hboot, you don't get more free internal memory (/data partition).
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This is what I thought. Cool, thanks for clearing that up

orsidoc said:
how can i have both of them?cm7 and stock?
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You can only have one!

stringer7 said:
You can only have one!
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In fact you may have 2. Just download the appropriate pb99img.zip and put them in SD , with the roms you want to use (one for each partition table). So each time you want to change, just rename it and boot into hboot, then flash the other ROM and voila!
Havent actually tested, but in theory it should work
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dexter93 said:
In fact you may have 2. Just download the appropriate pb99img.zip and put them in SD , with the roms you want to use (one for each partition table). So each time you want to change, just rename it and boot into hboot, then flash the other ROM and voila!
Havent actually tested, but in theory it should work
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I look forward to your results!

stringer7 said:
I look forward to your results!
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I don't think that I am ever going to try... See there is not much space on my SD to have two .zip of full roms ready to be installed, 2 different pb99img.zip and 2 full nandroid backups. Not to talk about titanium backups and my explorer
It is just too much complicated to do all that , just to say that you "dual boot" two different hboot roms...
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dexter93 said:
toocomplicated to do all that , just to say that you "dual boot" two different hboot roms...
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Agreed, technically possible but not practical!

New Cm7 hboot

I made a nandroid backup of a Rom before I upgraded my hboot to alpharev r2.
Is it ok to go back to this old Rom with the new hboot? I'm suspecting it is considering they tell you to backup before doing it, just not entirely sure??
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hairykewell said:
I made a nandroid backup of a Rom before I upgraded my hboot to alpharev r2.
Is it ok to go back to this old Rom with the new hboot? I'm suspecting it is considering they tell you to backup before doing it, just not entirely sure??
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Yes it is, hboot just changes the partition table, as long ad the rom you want to use fits with the hboot you flashed it's all good!

CM7 Android 2.3.4
Good day to everyone!
It is possibly too early to speculate, but does the new CM7 HBOOT means that the next version of CM7 will take up more /system partition space? Or is it just a "to be sure" move?

Cheers
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co_dominic said:
Good day to everyone!
It is possibly too early to speculate, but does the new CM7 HBOOT means that the next version of CM7 will take up more /system partition space? Or is it just a "to be sure" move?
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Well I heard that on Oxygen rom, they were having difficulty "shrinking" the size of the system files, that's why there is a new bootloader. You can prob say that for CM7 as well. As software develops, it gets bigger as any piece of software, so you have to upgrade the space available at some point.

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Hey,
I have the old hboot cm7 version...
IS the new one the r2 ?
And, can I just update the new hboot without backing up or flashing everything new?
Btw, the rom I use is made for cm7 hboot

Philstadt said:
Hey,
I have the old hboot cm7 version...
IS the new one the r2 ?
And, can I just update the new hboot without backing up or flashing everything new?
Btw, the rom I use is made for cm7 hboot
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You would have to backup. If you bothered to look you would notice that the /system partition has grown by 15MB and the /data partition has shrunk by 15MB. So I would backup if I was you cause most likely if will mess up.

I see that the Cache is now 5megs... will that effect things like Market when it tries downloading a 30meg APK file?

kazgor said:
I see that the Cache is now 5megs... will that effect things like Market when it tries downloading a 30meg APK file?
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You have to activate a2sd+ to download things from market. Or maybe there exits a "market download fix" for the rom you use. If you want to radio, you cannot do it with recovery, you have to do it over fastboot.

Problems flashing Cyanogenmod

Hello.
My girlfriend got my old Desire and I flashed Oxygen and Oxygen hboot on it some time ago. Now I want her to have Cyanogenmod (because of some errors with Oxygen). I know I can't just flash Cyanogenmod without deleting a few apps from the zip file, if I want it to work with the Oxygen hboot.
I deleted unnecessary apps so the file is about 66MB in size. I deleted the data/factory reset and wiped the cache (as told in the tutorial), I flashed and it gets stuck at the HTC bootscreen.
How do I flash it WITH the Oxygen Hboot?

Best you open the zip in 7zip or something. Then check whether the expanded size of the sytem folder is less than the oxygen 100 MB. For Ex Oxygen 2.3.2 system folder is 61.5MB which when expanded fills around 96MB.

handy5876 said:
Best you open the zip in 7zip or something. Then check whether the expanded size of the sytem folder is less than the oxygen 100 MB. For Ex Oxygen 2.3.2 system folder is 61.5MB which when expanded fills around 96MB.
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It its. About 10 MB to big. I don't know what to remove. I really don't need LatinIME (keyboard) and the launcher, but I need it to start. I just need to install titanium backup.
EDIT: i also tried flashing cyanogenmod without factory reset and just wiping cache and Delvik cache. It worked, but I couldn't ass a google accout, even though I flash google apps too.

Is it so hard to flash different hboot?
I think that you can survive without that 20-30MB...
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nlooooo said:
Is it so hard to flash different hboot?
I think that you can survive without that 20-30MB...
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Yes. Yes it is.

Then I'm not sure how you did it the first time...

nlooooo said:
Then I'm not sure how you did it the first time...
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Honestly I have no idea either. I did it on my friends Desire and it worked just fine.

Nesrail said:
Honestly I have no idea either. I did it on my friends Desire and it worked just fine.
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if u dont want, or know how to use fastboot just download the PB99IMG version of the hboot, rename it to just PB99IMG.zip, put it on ur sdcard and boot into bootloader (volume down +power) then ur bootloader will find PB99IMG and ask to update bootloader? volume up for yes then it will ask to reboot? volume down for no. then just enter recovery, full wipe and install the rom. simple
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jmcclue said:
if u dont want, or know how to use fastboot just download the PB99IMG version of the hboot, rename it to just PB99IMG.zip, put it on ur sdcard and boot into bootloader (volume down +power) then ur bootloader will find PB99IMG and ask to update bootloader? volume up for yes then it will ask to reboot? volume down for no. then just enter recovery, full wipe and install the rom. simple
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This is one and the easiest way how you can do it, but I prefer flashing via fastboot. I also recommend format of all partitions before flashing. Trust me it's less problem than stripping of rom.

Alright. I will do that instead then.

nlooooo said:
This is one and the easiest way how you can do it, but I prefer flashing via fastboot. I also recommend format of all partitions before flashing. Trust me it's less problem than stripping of rom.
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yh my bad, should of said said format all partitions except sdcard after changing hboots. its just i do that anyway when i do a full wipe, others probably dont.
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jmcclue said:
yh my bad, should of said said format all partitions except sdcard after changing hboots. its just i do that anyway when i do a full wipe, others probably dont.
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Of course, but I do that even before flashing, cause a few times I got problems with recovery not working so I had to flash it also.

Installed the hboot and flashed Cyanogenmod. Works so far.

Of course it works. If you like CM7 you can check out my Sony Xperia themed rom, maybe you'll like it more...

nlooooo said:
Of course it works. If you like CM7 you can check out my Sony Xperia themed rom, maybe you'll like it more...
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Maybe I will if you got a Galaxy II rom.

Nesrail said:
Maybe I will if you got a Galaxy II rom.
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I'm sure we were talking about Desire, so I suggested it. No need to be rude.

nlooooo said:
I'm sure we were talking about Desire, so I suggested it. No need to be rude.
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I wasn't trying to be rude. The desire is my girlfriend and now I finally got the cyanogenmod on it. But I would like to try it on my own Galaxy 2

I think you have both cm7 and cm9 versions on Cyanogenmod site.
I personaly have a Desire so I made a few roms for it, so if I ever have a G II (which I doubt cause I'm not a big fan of Samsung, actually I hate it )...
The rom I suggested you I made based on cm 7.2.0.1, the latest stable version, but it is modded a little bit.
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nlooooo said:
I think you have both cm7 and cm9 versions on Cyanogenmod site.
I personaly have a Desire so I made a few roms for it, so if I ever have a G II (which I doubt cause I'm not a big fan of Samsung, actually I hate it )...
The rom I suggested you I made based on cm 7.2.0.1, the latest stable version, but it is modded a little bit.
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Maybe I will take a look at it

Which rom suits my requirements?

Hello,
hoping for some input guys- I have got here an old Desire which runs 4.1 It is extremly slow and as soon as i install a game it shows me that it runs low on memory
i want to give the phone to my daughter but i need a properly working rom. It should be fast and reliable. No extras needed and i should be able to install a few games without running into trouble.
any recommendatios?
TIA

Install any of the Mildwild's ROMs. They are light stable and fast.
If you need Sense, then install the Cool Droid V3.
Ics and jb ROMs are not yet fast enough.
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Thanks a lot. will go with the cool droid then.

Nikez latest 4.2.2 ROMs are nice and fast ( lacks camera though) , I'm using MIUI XJ now, pretty good everything works as it should and also incredibly fast.
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dvsk69 said:
Install any of the Mildwild's ROMs. They are light stable and fast.
If you need Sense, then install the Cool Droid V3.
Ics and jb ROMs are not yet fast enough.
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hii sir how to activate a2sd on cooldroid ?
i am using 4ext recovery 1 gb ext4 partition.
must i flash cool-align?? thanks

conjro said:
hii sir how to activate a2sd on cooldroid ?
i am using 4ext recovery 1 gb ext4 partition.
must i flash cool-align?? thanks
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A2SD is integrated in the ROM. Since you already have an ext4 partition, it should get activated automatically. No action required from you.

dvsk69 said:
A2SD is integrated in the ROM. Since you already have an ext4 partition, it should get activated automatically. No action required from you.
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Please allow me to borrow this thread a little bit instead of starting a new one.
I am also interested in getting a custom ROM, but I just can't live without the default Sense UI. I think I read somewhere that Lee Droid is a popular ROM that has the HTC Sense UI. But I have searched for it using Google and they don't seem to have a dedicated website.
I think there is a member here at XDA with the name LeeDroid. Is that the guy behind this ROM?
Is Lee Droid being actively developed at the moment?
How do I download and flash Lee Droid, or any other ROM? I mean is ROM Manager a must? Or can I use the option "install from zip" in CWM?
So except for Lee Droid, and Cool Droid, what other ROMs are using Sense UI? I just need the basic version, nothing extra flashy and HD, etc. I installed Cyanogen 7 once but didn't like the interface so I removed it.

Fractalogic said:
Please allow me to borrow this thread a little bit instead of starting a new one.
I am also interested in getting a custom ROM, but I just can't live without the default Sense UI. I think I read somewhere that Lee Droid is a popular ROM that has the HTC Sense UI. But I have searched for it using Google and they don't seem to have a dedicated website.
I think there is a member here at XDA with the name LeeDroid. Is that the guy behind this ROM?
Is Lee Droid being actively developed at the moment?
How do I download and flash Lee Droid, or any other ROM?
So except for Lee Droid, and Cool Droid, what other ROMs are using Sense UI? I just need the basic version, nothing extra flashy and HD, etc.
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LeeDroid's Sense ROMs are very good too. Just look for the development thread in the Desire Index. If youre looking for good Sense ROMs here are some of the best ones (in terms of stability, functionality, etc)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1426339
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1279016
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1045824
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1151765
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038195
To answer your question, Cool Droid V3 is not Lee Droid's ROM. Its by another dev. You just need an ext 3 or 4 partition on your SD card and 4ext recovery installed. You should be good to go.

dvsk69 said:
LeeDroid's Sense ROMs are very good too. Just look for the development thread in the Desire Index. If youre looking for good Sense ROMs here are some of the best ones (in terms of stability, functionality, etc)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1426339
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1279016
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1045824
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1151765
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038195
To answer your question, Cool Droid V3 is not Lee Droid's ROM. Its by another dev. You just need an ext 3 or 4 partition on your SD card and 4ext recovery installed. You should be good to go.
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I see that LeeDroid requires ext3 partition for Data++. I'm not sure what Data++ does but I know it has something to do with memory, and I love memory, and this phone (Desire) is known for constantly running out of memory. So I'm interested in that feature.
I used the Link2SD app for some time (on root, S-OFF and stock ROM with Android 2.29) and it worked pretty well until the Netflix app broke it down for some reason. It just wouldn't play nicely with Link2SD, the Netflix app was the only app that did not work. I ended up in boot loop and having to reflash everything with RUU. Luckily I saved my data.
Which one of those ROMs listed above is best for off-loading the internal phone memory and has minimal change to the UI? Do they all have A2SD integrated? I think this part is essential for this phone to work properly. I can't believe they put in so small memory in it. If I knew I wouldn't have bought it. I was not informed about it, I was just swept in all the hype about it that I didn't pay much attention to that aspect of the phone. I think I was under the impression that at least 512 MB would be available for user data.

Fractalogic said:
I see that LeeDroid requires ext3 partition for Data++. I'm not sure what Data++ does but I know it has something to do with memory, and I love memory, and this phone (Desire) is known for constantly running out of memory. So I'm interested in that feature.
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Data++ is an hboot. An hboot is the partitioning layout of the desires internal memory. There are 3 partitions: system, data and cache. In order to have the most amount of space for app data, you want a bigger data partition. The Data++ hboot allows you to have this. As you can see on alpharevs website, the data++ allocates the memory like this:
System -180M Cache-5M Data-252M
To use this hboot, the rom's system size must be able to fit into the system partition (in this case 180mb).

chromium96 said:
Data++ is an hboot. An hboot is the partitioning layout of the desires internal memory. There are 3 partitions: system, data and cache. In order to have the most amount of space for app data, you want a bigger data partition. The Data++ hboot allows you to have this. As you can see on alpharevs website, the data++ allocates the memory like this:
System -180M Cache-5M Data-252M
To use this hboot, the rom's system size must be able to fit into the system partition (in this case 180mb).
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So HBOOT is not the actual bootloader (IPL+SPL)? Because that's what I thought it was...
I would like to try the An-Droid (Anderl's Android).
So what I need is "bravo_alphaspl-data.img" file from AlphaRev website and the AN-Droid 2.2.0 data++ file? The AN-Droid file is called "An-Droid_2.2.0_data.zip" and it is 154.8 MB. So this will work?...
I have radio 5.09.05.30_2. I checked the HTC Desire stock radio thread. It says that 5.17.05.23 is the latest. Do I have to upgrade mine?