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With the addition of a gyroscope (see 1:25 in the video) and the 960 x 640 screen to the iPhone 4, certainly WP7 developers will try to one-up or match Apple on these features. This makes me wonder if we'll end up with a Windows Phone 7 market with tons of different hardware features and form-factors (an achilles heel for the dead Windows Mobile market) that would create a hell for developers. Or, will WP7 be perpetually one step behind Apple in these regards?
wp7 has a gyroscope. a gyroscope isnt a matter of hardware as much as it is programming. obv it requires hardware though dont get me wrong.
pretty much its like this....wp7 releases in october. they arent going to be bested by whats released in june. if you found out about this recently, imagine how long ago windows found out about it.
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wp7 has a gyroscope. a gyroscope isnt a matter of hardware as much as it is programming. obv it requires hardware though dont get me wrong.
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Sorry, but I think only the iPhone 4 has the gyroscope so far. Not to be confused with accelerometer (which both devices have). Check out the video link in the OP.
I understand that manufacturers will try to compete. But the problem is, is you don't want to have so many different hardware capabilities between WP7 phones as soon as they are released. It will just fragment the market and make the software suck. For example, find good accelerometer support on windows mobile or an app that takes GOOD advantage of WVGA screens.
WP7 devices aren't supposed to have gyroscopes, only accelerometers ("g-sensors"). And yes, these are hardware components.
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But the problem is, is you don't want to have so many different hardware capabilities on WP7 as soon as it is released. It will just fragment the market and make the software suck.
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Well, adding gyroscope will fragment the appstore as well, won't it?
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Well, adding gyroscope will fragment the appstore as well, won't it?
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Thus the point of my thread. If WP7 doesn't hit the market with these features, it will be perpetually behind Apple. If it DOES have these features upon RTM, they haven't been announced yet and it flies in the face of Microsofts already announced strict hardware standards. Either way it doesn't look good.
Gyroscope /= accelerometer.
Well, I'm not at all convinced that the gyroscope will add that much to the user experience in practice. And at least for a year or so developers will build apps that will work without one, so it'll play a marginal role. You can substitute pretty much everything a gyroscope does with a g-sensor and a compass, IMO.
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Well, I'm not at all convinced that the gyroscope will add that much to the user experience in practice. And at least for a year or so developers will build apps that will work without one, so it'll play a marginal role. You can substitute pretty much everything a gyroscope does with a g-sensor and a compass, IMO.
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I think the iPhone 4 will get those apps a lot sooner than a year just because the hardware specs and phone upgrade path are so streamlined in that market.
Some creative people will come up with something, even if it's just a game.
Gyroscopes, I believe, add a level of precision and responsiveness that you don't get with accelerometers and compass alone.
I want MS to step their game up before RTM and not try to rationalize 2nd best. I expect nothing less than something sexy and amazing come end of year from MS and partners.
Well, I'm afraid it's not just up to MS, and it's too late for OEMs to change their designs, find suppliers etc. etc. I'm not even sure there is capacity to produce enough gyroscopes to satisfy Apple's demand and then some - we're talking about production growth to tens of millions from essentially zero.
I don't think a gyroscope will be a deal maker/breaker. If you are into game phone, you will notice a larger screen and X Box Live before wondering if it would be better with a gyroscope.
The Wii sold a lot but it never lived to its potential. There aren't that many Wii games that used the controllers better than Nintendo's Wii sports resort.
A gyroscope's usefullness is subjective. But I would prefer my phone to have it and it be widely supported by developers. Another losing point for the WP7 phones upon release will be the WVGA screen (compared to the iPhone 4 screen). Maybe many people won't know the difference, but as a photographer who uses his phone to show off pics, the higher the res of my phone the better.
My main point is, I don't want MS and partners to be perpetually one generation behind the competition. They need to be innovators on the software and hardware side.
I'm sure Samsung will implement their SuperAMOLED tech into WP7 devices. And S-AMOLED is pretty much the same as the retina display. The resolution is not the same but 800x480 on a 3.8 screen plus super vivid colors and sunlight readability is absoluetly on par with the iPhone 4. In fact Apple is playing catch-up here
You know, I've been thrilled after the Jobs-keynote. But as soon as my brain got sober from all the marketing blahblah I started to realize Apple didn't innovate that much with the iPhone4. Sure it is good but I am absolutely sure that HTC and Samsung can best this until october or so.
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Another losing point for the WP7 phones upon release will be the WVGA screen (compared to the iPhone 4 screen). Maybe many people won't know the difference, but as a photographer who uses his phone to show off pics, the higher the res of my phone the better.
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I'm a photographer too and I think WVGA is quite good for the form factor.
Have you used OLED screens? They are great for photos and the resolution isn't even true WVGA.
The main thing I'm missing in WM6.5 is color management, or even just an icc profile for my phone which I can convert to manually.
As i came to know the size of the screen is the same on the iPhone 4, this means that the Pixels density is too high.
Notice that the eye cannot see anything smaller than 0.1mm and in the iPhone case it is 0.07 so the pixels cannot be seen by the naked eye. if the iPhone's screen was larger (maybe like the HD2) it would make more sense to include this high resolution.
Anyhow, choosing this resolution is a matter of technical implementation as the old one is 480x320 (new is 2*480x2*320) so this means that all they have to do to allow old iPhone apps to run full screen is to render the screen with 2 times hight and 2 times width (much easier and way better than the iPad).
Now regarding viewing photos! come on, you need a full HD TV to see a photo taken by a 2Mega Pixels camera.
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I'm a photographer too and I think WVGA is quite good for the form factor.
Have you used OLED screens? They are great for photos and the resolution isn't even true WVGA.
The main thing I'm missing in WM6.5 is color management, or even just an icc profile for my phone which I can convert to manually.
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Yeah, my X1 and TP2 look pretty nice displaying the pics. Only time I've seen OLED in action they had animation videos running...no real people. I'll have to look into the color accuracy.
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As i came to know the size of the screen is the same on the iPhone 4, this means that the Pixels density is too high.
Notice that the eye cannot see anything smaller than 0.1mm and in the iPhone case it is 0.07 so the pixels cannot be seen by the naked eye. if the iPhone's screen was larger (maybe like the HD2) it would make more sense to include this high resolution.
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Now regarding viewing photos! come on, you need a full HD TV to see a photo taken by a 2Mega Pixels camera.
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The MP of the original photo is irrelevant (I shoot 14.2MP). The high PPI (of mobile screen) just gives you the ultimate sharpness. WVGA displaying of photos is quite nice, but I think the 960x640 should be that much better. I'm wondering what's the likely hood of seeing a 2x(800x480) anytime soon? Probably nil on mobile form-factors.
Has anyone found out the CPU speed of the new iPhone 4 ? EDIT: Never mind...
Microsoft just built this OS and Iphone has been around for years now. They will eventually get all the features packed in that you would expect to have it's just going to take sometime because they want to bring those features to you in a manner that is easy to use so they aren't going to just throw it in there and call it good. They released an article saying that it will probably take around 5 years to get every single feature that they have planned into the devices and working the way it should. They made something that looks great and although right now it lacks functionality of Windows 6.5 it;s way more polished and no one can deny that. If you want to maintain your backwards compatability get yourself a Windows Phone handheld edition when it comes out.
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Yeah, my X1 and TP2 look pretty nice displaying the pics. Only time I've seen OLED in action they had animation videos running...no real people. I'll have to look into the color accuracy.
The MP of the original photo is irrelevant (I shoot 14.2MP). The high PPI (of mobile screen) just gives you the ultimate sharpness. WVGA displaying of photos is quite nice, but I think the 960x640 should be that much better. I'm wondering what's the likely hood of seeing a 2x(800x480) anytime soon? Probably nil on mobile form-factors.
Has anyone found out the CPU speed of the new iPhone 4 ? EDIT: Never mind...
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Hell there aren't even many 17" monitors that have more then a 1600x960 display so I doubt it will happen on a mobile but they do have support for HVGA which means that by scaling that 2x they can get there 960x640 and match what Apple has to offer and I bet the resolution would look so much better on a 4.3" device. I don't even know how people use a 3.5" these days lol.
I don't mind small screens. I love the SE X1 form factor. The bigger TP2 is cool too though.
If it takes 5 years for Microsoft to implement everything into WP7, then imagine the features being added to the competition products for the same 5 years. In order to catch up, MS is going to need to come up with some revolutionary ideas (to give the 'impression' of being ahead like Apple did) and work twice as hard as the other developers.
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I don't mind small screens. I love the SE X1 form factor. The bigger TP2 is cool too though.
If it takes 5 years for Microsoft to implement everything into WP7, then imagine the features being added to the competition products for the same 5 years. In order to catch up, MS is going to need to come up with some revolutionary ideas (to give the 'impression' of being ahead like Apple did) and work twice as hard as the other developers.
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I don't think their 5 year plan involves catching up to the competition I think they are more about how long it's going to take to pass the competition in terms of offerings. If it was just about adding what's out there now then they should just give up already. I don't think they are that naive. I think they are pulling out there most important features right out the gate which makes the most sense. Xbox live intergration, Zune services, a better marketplace, and a great marketing campaign. These are what the average consumer is looking for. Cut and paste, 3rd party multitasking, etc is not going to cross the average person's mind when they look at a phone but it will make the experience better and that's what they are going for next.
I use the TP2 right now. I like the 3.7" screen but I still think something HD2 size with a keyboard would be the greatest device on the planet. But that's because I love landscape sliders but not everyone else shares the same opinion.
Its hard to say if they'll pass the competition or not, because Im sure the competition is working on some innovations too. This makes the task very difficult for MS unless they're working on some groundbreaking technology no one else has.
I made this poll last time, but this was around when the news of WP7 was just getting out. I'm sure that from then and now, we've learned a lot more about the OS and MS has released a lot more info regarding the OS. So with that being said, I was just curious to see if there were any change of hearts.
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I plan on buying a windows phone whenever some nice looking hardware comes to Verizon. I might have to wait a while since ill have to buy one at full price because my upgrade isn't until 2012.
Never will I ever choose anything besides Windows 7 or their webcam for my products.
Ad notifications? What kind of nonsense is this?
And here is the real nail in the coffin:
"At launch, Windows Phone 7 will not have the ability to cut, copy, and paste. It will recognize telephone numbers and addresses, but Microsoft says the majority of users don't need 'cut, copy, and paste'."
With that attitude, do I trust this company for phones? No. The iPhone 2G had more features than this!
I hope they die in the mobile arena. Their efforts have been haphazard and poor. If it does turn out to be good (doubtful since I've used Windows Mobile since the Blackjack) I don't see anything it offers that Android or iPhone doesn't already do, and better.
Fun phones are the iPhone and Android systems. They're also very good for work as well.
Blackberry handles business as usual.
And Microsoft, your best move was investing in Apple.
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Never will I ever choose anything besides Windows 7 or their webcam for my products.
Ad notifications? What kind of nonsense is this?
And here is the real nail in the coffin:
"At launch, Windows Phone 7 will not have the ability to cut, copy, and paste. It will recognize telephone numbers and addresses, but Microsoft says the majority of users don't need 'cut, copy, and paste'."
With that attitude, do I trust this company for phones? No. The iPhone 2G had more features than this!
I hope they die in the mobile arena. Their efforts have been haphazard and poor. If it does turn out to be good (doubtful since I've used Windows Mobile since the Blackjack) I don't see anything it offers that Android or iPhone doesn't already do, and better.
Fun phones are the iPhone and Android systems. They're also very good for work as well.
Blackberry handles business as usual.
And Microsoft, your best move was investing in Apple.
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Sounds like a guy who is been around for a long time !!?. I respect your opinion but it is windows mobile what made this forum what it is today. So let it die?
It depends what kind of user you are, I have always been a fan of windows because its customizable, what is for me an added value. Now with the coming of mobile7, I dont know, but I´m sure we can support and make the OS better around here.
Iphone is in my opinion a hyped phone (especially the iphone4) and clearly is not as good as the previous versions because of its hardware malfunction.
Respecting Andriod, I like the phones and they are great but still I´m staying old fashioned and try and stick to WinMo.
As you can notice I will buy a phone with the new OS because I´m just curious and its flawless integrated with windows platforms in private and corporate perspective. What i believe is the advantage of Microsoft software.
I will buy a WP7 device in Germany as soon a device similar to the HD2 is released. For me are a display around 4 inch, arround 448 MB RAM, at least 16GB flash memory important. An amoled display is prefered.
Why WP7? As a developer I have with Silverlight much more fun and I have no fun to flash my device regularry to get the rom to a quality level that should be out of box. Is's a shame but big thanks to this board for making the good HD2 roms
Just waiting on what T-Mobile USA will bring us
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With that attitude, do I trust this company for phones? No. The iPhone 2G had more features than this!
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Sure it did.
Main difference between WP7 and other mobile OSes, that it is being complex. iOS has just core stuff - kernel, some core APIs and few built-in apps like mail or safari. Android adds some wannabe support for integrating facebook, today widgets. WP7 comes as latest one with around 2 year development as of now, including full facebook integration at launch, combining and integrating your contacts into facebook. This was just an example, that WP7 is way more complex system, than any other mobile OS we have now. It allows integration into hubs, ... while all you can do on iOS is just add your icon on app launcher. No integration into core apps.
Also the biggest fun will begin shortly. Possibility to develop for PC-Xbox360-WP7 with one source code (and just optimizing user input for mouse, joystick or touchscreen) is f...in promising. And Silverlight, C# and XNA are awesome to play and create with, compared to native coding.
I will be getting WP7 as soon as I get the opportunity. Love the UI (I'd just say more colors into icons in the applist). Love the possibilities. Love MS!
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Sure it did.
Main difference between WP7 and other mobile OSes, that it is being complex. iOS has just core stuff - kernel, some core APIs and few built-in apps like mail or safari. Android adds some wannabe support for integrating facebook, today widgets. WP7 comes as latest one with around 2 year development as of now, including full facebook integration at launch, combining and integrating your contacts into facebook. This was just an example, that WP7 is way more complex system, than any other mobile OS we have now. It allows integration into hubs, ... while all you can do on iOS is just add your icon on app launcher. No integration into core apps.
Also the biggest fun will begin shortly. Possibility to develop for PC-Xbox360-WP7 with one source code (and just optimizing user input for mouse, joystick or touchscreen) is f...in promising. And Silverlight, C# and XNA are awesome to play and create with, compared to native coding.
I will be getting WP7 as soon as I get the opportunity. Love the UI (I'd just say more colors into icons in the applist). Love the possibilities. Love MS!
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what?!!
xbox-wp7-pc game integration is a possibility? but how is a phone going to be as capable as the three cores plus graphics core of a 360?
As soon as Sprint gets a killer 4G enabled one. Bamn! I'm there.
Gota get on the leading edge again and start promoting the thing to my friends/family/co-workers/etc.
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what?!!
xbox-wp7-pc game integration is a possibility? but how is a phone going to be as capable as the three cores plus graphics core of a 360?
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First of all, WP7 has a lower target resolution than XBox and PCs. You also can use a lower resolution than the native resolution of WP7 and the phone will resize the image "for free" using a dedicated chip. To target the different input formats, you have to tweak the code and use conditional compilation (like #If Xbox; #If WP7; #If Windows). If you want to utilize the full potential of each platform, there may be many conditional compilation instructions, but it is possible. Depending on the architecture, the main game logic can remain the same and does not need (many) changes.
Ima stick with it. WP7 is nice.
Yep, just as Reihnold described it.
The main logic and core is the same, you just optimalize it for different input and ofc slower HW (but with coming Hummingbird etc we will see reaching Xbox on WVGA screen in few years I bet). You disable some cool effects etc, but you do that with those #If Xbox360 fxRainbow.Enable = true; #Endif etc, so nothing huge. Compared to Linux-Android it is something quite easy. Mostly because of awesome IDE.
Wouldn't consider anything else.
I will definitely buy one. Love MS products and services and using them all integrated on my phone is the biggest thing they could ever made!
Cloud is the future
I'd be more interested to know what percentage of people would switch to wp7 in an iphone and/or android forum really. That to me is a better indicator of how well wp7 will do at launch.
I eventually want to switch, but ill do it further down the line when the OS matures.
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I voted for sticking with WP7, all the latest videos I've seen show how super smooth it is so I wont be switching to clunky Andriod anytime soon
I am waiting to actually see how well the office, RDP and other apps integrate into windows before I pull the trigger on one. I really could care less about facebook integration or twitter or any social networking. Sure I use facebook, but I want to keep my contacts seperate from my social networking. I want a business device first. Not to say I won't try one out, but I intend on keeping my Tilt2 around unless they release a WM6.5 handset with a keyboard and a faster processor and more RAM! like that will happen...
And if it comes to switching platforms, android is next in line. No apple products ever in my house.
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No apple products ever in my house.
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I second that
I am so ready to purchase one of Windows Phone 7 phones! Why? please... for those ppl who say WP7 is not as great as their beloved WM 6 series, you gotta let your ego go. And yes, i have HD2. So this is a customer with experiences with hacking my device and use cooked ROMs. And yes i hate using cooked ROMs. Althogh i use cooked ROMs that looks like stock version atm. But i am planning to purchase it in this holiday or wait for htc to announce HD3 the beast! I really want my phone to have 1.5ghz or something downgraded clocked duo cpu.
Just trying to bring some positivity to the forums.
I bought WP7 because it's got the best music player on the market, a smooth UI, xbox live integration, great games with the promise of even better which is completely believable after seeing such titles as ilomilo, xbox live integration, it's range of hardware selection which though it can't touch android beats out iphones selection, expandable memory, and because overall it's just got the most beautiful UI. It never feels like they took the best from another OS and just improved it.
I had a Zune HD and loved it so much that when i saw WP7 had taken the metro ui, Zune media and xbox live and put it on a phone that was it for me.
Zune is so far ahead of itunes it makes them look out of date (bar the remote control features this needs to be implemented asap)
Quality for me is so much more important than quantity. Other phones have a lot of cool stuff but none look and feel like WP7 or the quality of its media.
Then the cherry comes xbox live this is it for me, I am a huge gamer and xbox live is where it is at, period. All in all this is the greatest user phone ever it may lack high end features but it more than makes up for it by doing what it does better smoother and sexier then any other device you can buy today.
Loved the look of the UI, and Xbox live intergration. I bought a HD7 for the big screen, I was bored of my iPhone too
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I have tried all other OS and I am somewhat I would say loyal to Windows mobile. Honestly I sortof got tired of having to update my device bi-weekly or resetting device to do certain things, and for all the features it had build in I had purchased from someone for wm6.5. Like checking my friends online status on xbox live, I loved the zune interface I had a regular not an HD but my kid brother had one and loved it. I am optimistic they will enable more functions built and I am patiently waiting on the other things from 6.5 to be ported and more. And I was somewhat jealous of every other phones bigger screen (than my tp2)
Got pissed with Android, waiting for updates and the UI. I hated WP7 first, because I was in love with Android guy, but after some time I saw what **** it is and just started to get to know with WP7. And then I realised that this OS will be perfect for my needs and after some time, I sold my Desire Z, it had defect with keyboard (before I had desire, which had defects too) and bought Omnia7. It's perfect, I'm perfectionist and this phone is just awesome, no single flaw so far...
Also came from iOS (iPhone 3G, 3GS) Android (nexus one). Reasons why i switched to WP7:
1. Xbox live and also their promise of great games, as i also am a gamer
2. Metro UI, slick and smooth. It just works
3. Xbox live
4. Zune
5. Xbox live
It does what I need it to do and does it efficiently.
1) I liked how the UI looked
2) I want something fast
3) I wanted something that was standardized (with minimum system specs) so I could expect apps to work with it for a while
4) I wanted something different
5) I didn't want to have to spend time tweaking my phone in order to get it to work well.
6) XBOX Live
7) Fast camera
1. Its smooth and fast
2. Its different
3. Its v1.0 of an OS, something I hadn't had before
4. Got tired of tweaking the hell out of winmo
5. Tried android on the hd2 and it reminded me of IOS, just laggier, with no promise of device updates.
6. All the multimedia options: netflix, slingbox, bitbop, zune for music, zune for video, zune handles all my podcasts
7. It doesn't freeze up for me, ever! (OK once since US launch, but even then it soft reset itself)
8. Developers: the apps were are getting seem to be at least as good as IOS and look better and smoother than the same apps on android (if they even have them)
9. Games: once again, on par with IOS games, most android phones can't handle top games. Definitely better than Winmo games of the same name.
10. Notice how I didn't say enterprise or office integration, etc. My phone is a toy to keep me occupied at work, when out with the family and there is down time, at the gym on the treadmill, etc.
11. It's nice to show off a new feature/app of the phone to someone and not have the phone freeze on you!!!
Getting Older and Wiser ?
I came from a WM 6.5 environment where I tweaked, flashed new ROMs and Radios, and updated applications for several hours a week. What I wanted was:
. No more stylus, fingers only (I won't get into a fight over WM 6.5, no matter what I did, it was NEVER totally finger friendly).
. Larger screen (at least 4.0", my eyes aren't getting any better).
. Faster processor, more memory
. Fluid and fast OS/UI
. Something that just works and does not REQUIRE tweaking and endless flashing
. Apps that are updated automatically (some 6.5 ROMs and apps support this, but not integrated seamlessly)
. Something that let's ME use IT and doesn't use ME.
I am finished with tweaking and flashing. I did it in the beginning because I thought I had to in order to get a phone the way I liked it. After WP7, I understand there is no real need, I just got so used to it. I thought it was "normal". I now realize how much time I wasted and how the OS was driving me to waste time rather than save time.
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I came from a WM 6.5 environment where I tweaked, flashed new ROMs and Radios, and updated applications for several hours a week. What I wanted was:
. No more stylus, fingers only (I won't get into a fight over WM 6.5, no matter what I did, it was NEVER totally finger friendly).
. Larger screen (at least 4.0", my eyes aren't getting any better).
. Faster processor, more memory
. Fluid and fast OS/UI
. Something that just works and does not REQUIRE tweaking and endless flashing
. Apps that are updated automatically (some 6.5 ROMs and apps support this, but not integrated seamlessly)
. Something that let's ME use IT and doesn't use ME.
I am finished with tweaking and flashing. I did it in the beginning because I thought I had to in order to get a phone the way I liked it. After WP7, I understand there is no real need, I just got so used to it. I thought it was "normal". I now realize how much time I wasted and how the OS was driving me to waste time rather than save time.
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ah yes, the number 1 reason I got wp7, to actually use the phone, instead of always tweaking/fixing it!
1/. I had a Zune HD which I enjoy immensely, WP7 is Zune HD+++
2/. I play my XBL games more than my actual XBOX games, +1 WP7 for fun games
3/. I hated tweaking my Touch Cruise and Symbian Phones
4/. I like smooth scrolling.
5/. I really didn't like the icon grid, which is why I sold my Ipod Touch and got a Zune HD in the first place.
6/. The animation speed of Bing Maps was ridiculous on the phone I played with at the T-Mo store.
7/. Not many people have it, not because it's a **** product, but because they just don't know what they're missing. I like quiet brilliance and WP7 is just that.
Quiet brilliance. I just hope for MS and our sakes that that turns into a smash hit for them somewhere down the line.
1. I wanted a different OS. Most of the other OS' seem a bit boring to me.
2. I like being an early adopter. I was with iOS (sort of) and having something that no one else has is pretty nice.
3. The apps are pretty good thus far. I can see myself getting more apps compared to Android.
4. I trust Microsoft more than Google. Mostly because my current laptop (running Windows 7) has not failed me and Google is, well, Google.
I was planning to get a Captivate but I realized that I would waste hours of my time hacking and flashing it and I didn't want to do that anymore. I wanted a phone that had great features and was just a great experience out of the box. The Focus did that for me.
1. Fluid and Intuituve UI
2. Zune
3. All the live stuff
4. Zune
5. UI
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Just trying to bring some positivity to the forums.
I bought WP7 because it's got the best music player on the market, a smooth UI, xbox live integration, great games with the promise of even better which is completely believable after seeing such titles as ilomilo, xbox live integration, it's range of hardware selection which though it can't touch android beats out iphones selection, expandable memory, and because overall it's just got the most beautiful UI. It never feels like they took the best from another OS and just improved it.
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you know, i really like it when folks are positive in starting a thread. even mentioning the competition, in a positive way. kudos to you for not stooping.
also, i could have almost bought an ATT product today, except there are so few choices besides the iphone over there. tmo is having terrible connectivity problems in my area, and if there were a non-contract alternative, i -may- just give it a shot (wp7).
again, thanks for the fresh air.
Coming from Winmo6.5 (HTC Touch HD)
1) Wanted something different/New compared to what's out there already. I believe this is the only smartphone OS that has actually been designed in an artistic/consistent kind of way. Other OS' resemble desktops too much and are either too messy/cheap looking and inconsistent (Android) or just look plain and static looking (iOS app-launcher UI). Though, the home and app screen on WP could be better if the background was customisable, as well as offer more themes.
2) Liked the closed ecosystem of iOS (where all apps just work, and no more tweaking required to get the phone to perform smoothly) but wanted hardware choice. Plus I've got the iPad already, and didn't want to buy what is basically the same device.
3) Wanted to adopt a new OS that could become a major player in the smartphone industry.
1. WM 6.5 was not supported anymore
2. UI made the way I like it - look, concept, homescreen, and unified across all of apps - something I hated on other platforms because of design fragmentation
3. Stable and fast
4. Intergrated with Hotmail
5. All the Office (email, docs, OneNote) however this needs to be improved
6. Hope for a great support by MS giant and their promised commitment
7. Integrated Maps, Music, Xbox, Marketplace
I just pointed things which I thought are better than on other OSes.
P.S. I also dream of some OFFLINE apps especially dictionaries.
1. Somehing new.
2. Wife has Android, mates have BB's and iPhones... wanted something different to tell them how much their phones suck compared to mine.
3. Cloud Sync
4. Office & Exchange
5. Beautifull UI design
was due for an upgrade and able to grab a samsung focus for $30 from wally world. i though, why not? i decided it was time to let my N1 go as well as many other google products/services i had been using because i don't like googles stance on net neutrality and them crawling in bed with the government.
surprisingly, i've really enjoyed my focus. the battery life is outstanding, the camera is quite good, the screen looks great, great games, the music player rocks and i love wireless syncing, it's very fast and smooth. i'm looking forward for the bugs to get ironed out, some very necessary features added and the app store to grow. one of the BEST features is that you can simply uninstall all the bloatware crap att or any other carrier puts on there.
i hope the gates clan keeps this os fresh and up to date with some thoughtful innovations.
Every aspect of Symbian that is user facing is absolutely horrible. It might have the whistles and bells, but noone actually uses them, and the stuff which does get used, are rubbish.
Here are some examples.
1)The software keyboard. WP7 is regularly praised for having one the best keyboards available. On part with iPhone and easily better than Android. Anyone look at Symbians software keyboard? LOL.
2)Music player. The one reason people with Symbian phones will always tend to have a dedicated PMP is because the music/video client sucks. WP7 is on par with iPhone and miles better than Android and Symbian for music/video.
3)Browser. iOS has the best browser at the moment, but you can easily argue that the WP7 even in its current state presents a much better user experience than Android which has choppy and laggy panning and pinch to zoom. By miles better than Symbian.
4)Notifications. Symbian notifications are as intrusive as iOS notifications. While not as good as Android in this respect, much better than Symbian.
5)Email/Messaging clients. These absolutely suck in Symbian. Horrible fonts and poor aesthetics in general. Hard to setup.
6)Consistent UI in applications. Symbian is even worse than Android in terms of UI consistency.
7)Smoothness. Android doesn't have GPU accelerated UI and it's noticable laggier than WP7 and iOS in usage. Symbian is even worse.
These points above are what an average user faces for most of their time every time they use their phone. Symbian might have the bells and features which only 5% of the userbase may use, but for the vast population, WP7 presents a much better user experience, and a user experience that is different to iOS, and Android.
Spot on.... Symbian with the Series 60 UI was designed for non touchscreen phones and works amazingly great for such phones, but it was and is really horrible for touchscreens.
Symbian 3 still looks and feels a lot like Series 60.
Never tried ^3 so have no idea what it's like.
The earlier models are kind of WM like. Designed for clicks, not gestures.
To be fair to Symbian, with regards the browser, it may be terrible, but nobody would use it when they can get Opera Mini, would they?! And iirc, the Symbian browser support Flash video, I don't recall the WP7 browser doing so yet.
However, Symbian has been outdated for many years now, the only reason it is still selling in significant quantities is because people still like to buy Nokia phones - if it were not for Nokia, Symbian (in its present form at least), would have been dead and buried a long time ago. It really is a terrible user-experience on a touch screen, even moreso with the advent of operating systems like WebOS and Windows Phone 7 (forget Android and iOS - Android is nothing special and iOS is getting very stale now).
Shame to see Symbian go, but the fact that it has changed little since I was using it on a 6600 back in 2002, tells the story - people often slate WinMo for being outdated, harping back to 2004, but Symbian is even worse. The only thing that kept it going, as I say, was the fact it was Nokia's choice OS for smartphones.
2. I would argue that the music player in WP7 is not on par with iOS, it's better. Last I checked you had no built-in iTunes streaming directly to your iPhone and purchasing albums required you to physically sync your phone with your computer.
Of course this was a while ago, so it could have changed.
I had an N80 and N95 both Symbian 60 phones and it was amazing how slow and buggy they were. Every feature you could imagine was there, just impossible to use!
You can download music and movies direct to an iPhone, no need for syncing with a PC. Think it was added in iOS 2?
Xcellweb said:
To be fair to Symbian, with regards the browser, it may be terrible, but nobody would use it when they can get Opera Mini, would they?! And iirc, the Symbian browser support Flash video, I don't recall the WP7 browser doing so yet.
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Flash Lite, which is technically Flash 9 compatible, but some Flash 10 content may play on it. When you move to Opera Mini, you lose the capability to deal with that flash, so the stock browser being so terrible is an issue.
The availability of third-party applications is no excuse for the stock applications to suck so bad.
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I had an N80 and N95 both Symbian 60 phones and it was amazing how slow and buggy they were. Every feature you could imagine was there, just impossible to use!
You can download music and movies direct to an iPhone, no need for syncing with a PC. Think it was added in iOS 2?
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I believe he was referencing something like zune pass... also itunes whole UI is pretty lame by comparison...
do you think that wp7 is as fast as ios, which right now is the smoothest and fastest phone?
I'd say WP is faster than iOS in terms of general UI, but for apps, its really where WP turns the idea. Most apps in the marketplace still don't use the 'fast resume' feature like in Mango-enabled games. Meaning if you go back to start screen and go back to the app, the app then goes from the loading screen and then resumes the current task. In iOS, apps are frozen and resumes right where you left off.
So basically, WP rarely lags in UI even when used over time whereas iOS does in fact lag, especially when bringing up the search screen (you know, the barely used screen on the very left). But apps are no problem if developers take advantage of the fast resume feature.
Don't you hate it when there's a spider rooming with you and it doesn't even pay rent. I'm kicking mine out.
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-winning-nearly-90-of-smoked-challenges-at-mwc-2012/
I would say no....
Even if comparing the built-in apps, although ios is slower,but it is not the speed issue or ios capability, it is due to the ios animation design( the zoom in and zoom out effect duration) has made opening apps look slower.
In term of third party apps, WP7 has no way winning iOS, just cheap feel and slow sluggish,buggy....you can blame the developers....
who cares. WP7 is dead anyways.
FinancialWar said:
who cares. WP7 is dead anyways.
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Lol,mate,right time and right moment and well said...
because nowadays many users have leave this WP7 forum,due to the typical WP7 fanboys reply...
if you reply something like this in the past,you definitely will be getting bash,but now I think no one will care,because it is quiet here.
Gonna back to my silence state now,contribute too much posts(3 this week) to here already.
Now back to the topic...
WP7 IS faster than iOS.
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Following some replies that made me chuckle..
Yes WP7 is faster UI than iOS.
Doesn't matter what zoom in or zoom out crap it iOS does. It's their UI transition by choice and if that makes it even 'feel' slower, it is slow. I am presuming all of us are here on the same page and agree that 'animations'/'transitions' are part of the operating system or the user interface.
Apps however aren't so nicely made all the time. Some apps are beautiful when it comes to transition whereas the others are as choppy as Google's OS. But then 3rd party app QC isn't top notch. If you use a WP out-of-the-box and compare with same iOS phone, you will immediately notice that WP is much faster, smoother and pretty on your eyes!
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I'd say WP is faster than iOS in terms of general UI, but for apps, its really where WP turns the idea. Most apps in the marketplace still don't use the 'fast resume' feature like in Mango-enabled games. Meaning if you go back to start screen and go back to the app, the app then goes from the loading screen and then resumes the current task. In iOS, apps are frozen and resumes right where you left off.
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In general use as a phone, I would say both have the same speed and smoothness or perhaps windows phone 7 a little faster than iOS
wp7 is one of the smoothest os ever made, but far away from being as fast as iOS. "smoked by windows phone" can't be taken serious. ben won some battles because there was a weather tile on the screen and thats faster than opening apps. but android has widgets too, and iOS can provide similar things in the notification toggle.
but apps which aren't integrated are slow like hell because they aren't cached as good as on android or iOS or they don't multitask. 6 months after mango release the improvents in app swithing can't be noticed in 'everyday' usage. that's not 'amazing'!
when you compare apps like board express with tapatalk, wp7 wins in terms of design. but the speed differences are huge!
or put a video on your wp7 phone, it will take ages just because the player doesn't support most common formats. and there aren't any alternative players, on iOS there are, even without jailbreak!
wp8 has to learn from android, only apple guys accept those limitations.
Windows 8 is awesome! metro ui is much more flexible than on wp7. i hope it will be similar in wp8. But windows 8 is fantastic, because you don't have that kind of limitations. if the player doesn't play a file, use vlc. if your browser doesn't play flash, use real ie or firefox.
right now wp7 devices would never win real speed benchmarks. even my almost 2 years old galaxy s would beat almost every windows phone in most tasks.
but i like windows phone none of the less, because it's unique and stabble, and has an always smooth browser!
but i think windows phone 8 might come too late. until the end of the year and the release of apollo there won't be any real new windows phone, not a single phone from htc nor from samsung. And the nokia effect couldn't equalize the loss of htc and especially samsung (in europe)
in the mean while android will have very cheap dualcores and wp7 will be stuck on snapdragon s2 chips from 2010!
The native OS is faster. Not much, as iOS is a very efficient system, but WP is definitely a little more efficient in my experience.
3rd party apps? Some are extremely well done and are just as fast as the native apps, but most are not coded efficiently so do have a little bit of lag as information loads, scrolling not perfect ect.
Developers definitely have the ability to make their code efficient enough though as there are plenty of examples of this. Lawrence Grippers BBC news and others. WPCentral app (Dev: Jay Bennet), Cocktail Flow (still best designed app I've ever seen on any platform), Windows Phone News app, Weave news reader, News360(latest version) ect ect ect.
@ OP
Dont you think it would be a little wiser to research this question yourself on a search engine? surely some independants have done some investigation already?
Either way asking a question like this on an O/S specific forum isnt really going to get you anywhere is it, at best the answers will be biased even slightly and you will never get the hard and fast answer that you are looking for (if you are indeed looking for an answer )
I'm wondering if you asked this same question in an Apple forum? and if so what response did you get?
Kind Regrds,
Creamy
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wp7 is one of the smoothest os ever made, but far away from being as fast as iOS. "smoked by windows phone" can't be taken serious. ben won some battles because there was a weather tile on the screen and thats faster than opening apps. but android has widgets too, and iOS can provide similar things in the notification toggle.
but apps which aren't integrated are slow like hell because they aren't cached as good as on android or iOS or they don't multitask. 6 months after mango release the improvents in app swithing can't be noticed in 'everyday' usage. that's not 'amazing'!
when you compare apps like board express with tapatalk, wp7 wins in terms of design. but the speed differences are huge!
or put a video on your wp7 phone, it will take ages just because the player doesn't support most common formats. and there aren't any alternative players, on iOS there are, even without jailbreak!
wp8 has to learn from android, only apple guys accept those limitations.
Windows 8 is awesome! metro ui is much more flexible than on wp7. i hope it will be similar in wp8. But windows 8 is fantastic, because you don't have that kind of limitations. if the player doesn't play a file, use vlc. if your browser doesn't play flash, use real ie or firefox.
right now wp7 devices would never win real speed benchmarks. even my almost 2 years old galaxy s would beat almost every windows phone in most tasks.
but i like windows phone none of the less, because it's unique and stabble, and has an always smooth browser!
but i think windows phone 8 might come too late. until the end of the year and the release of apollo there won't be any real new windows phone, not a single phone from htc nor from samsung. And the nokia effect couldn't equalize the loss of htc and especially samsung (in europe)
in the mean while android will have very cheap dualcores and wp7 will be stuck on snapdragon s2 chips from 2010!
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I appreciate what you are saying but I think you are being harsh.
What is not to be taken seriously about the "smoked by Windows Phone"? He won 30 out of 33 matches. He lost to an iPhone in one of those matches. In the ones I saw it was a mix of him picking the challenge and other people picking the challenge. Windows Phone is indeed more efficient at some operations and that is how they built the OS. This flows into my second point...
What exactly is a benchmark? When Vegeta whips out his magic goggles and reads "over 9000" what exactly does that mean? So phone X can draw more fish than phone Y, let me know how many people are going around drawing as many fish as they possibly can.
There needs to be an improvement in the quality of apps and I think people here will agree with you totally. Slow as hell seems like an exaggeration to me but I understand where you are coming from. On a sidenote, hell is hot and slow? I figure people would move around pretty quickly with their butts being on fire and all.
There is no such thing as too late once there is room for improvement. Android has issues and iOS is one phone a year. There is a viable opportunity for Windows Phone especially with the unification of the platform.
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I would say no....
Even if comparing the built-in apps, although ios is slower,but it is not the speed issue or ios capability, it is due to the ios animation design( the zoom in and zoom out effect duration) has made opening apps look slower.
In term of third party apps, WP7 has no way winning iOS, just cheap feel and slow sluggish,buggy....you can blame the developers....
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use a second gen windows phone, all of the third party apps are about as smooth as core apps. There is a penny deal on the HTC titan that ends today you should check it out if you have att.
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I would say no....
Even if comparing the built-in apps, although ios is slower,but it is not the speed issue or ios capability, it is due to the ios animation design( the zoom in and zoom out effect duration) has made opening apps look slower.
In term of third party apps, WP7 has no way winning iOS, just cheap feel and slow sluggish,buggy....you can blame the developers....
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Lol,mate,right time and right moment and well said...
because nowadays many users have leave this WP7 forum,due to the typical WP7 fanboys reply...
if you reply something like this in the past,you definitely will be getting bash,but now I think no one will care,because it is quiet here.
Gonna back to my silence state now,contribute too much posts(3 this week) to here already.
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LOL...
Back to be a troll eh?
Well, well,well, someone is mad because he paid for something he didn't want at first and now he is trolling all around...
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LOL...
Back to be a troll eh?
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It is not logical. At all. The silence of one voice will not cause the forum on a whole to be significantly quieter unless, like you said, that person was an antagonist. And it most definitely will not affect sales.
It will continue to be with or without one person's participation. And it actually will be a better place without the negativity. Quieter and better. But it probably eats people that do not like Windows Phone inside to read people express their fondness for the OS.
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It is not logical. At all. The silence of one voice will not cause the forum on a whole to be significantly quieter unless, like you said, that person was an antagonist. And it most definitely will not affect sales.
It will continue to be with or without one person's participation. And it actually will be a better place without the negativity. Quieter and better. But it probably eats people that do not like Windows Phone inside to read people express their fondness for the OS.
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I have known that guy for ages.
he bought a Surround, and he is not happy with it, then he gonna post Sh!t about it.
If you want to compare, there is a big thread outside , comparing Windows Phone and iPhone 4S from hardware to software.
My HD7 so far is the fastest and most stable phone I've ever owned and used. I haven't seen any slowdowns it freeze ups like those that occur in both Android and iOS. As for 3rd party apps, all the ones I use run great with the exception of board express.
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What exactly is a benchmark? When Vegeta whips out his magic goggles and reads "over 9000" what exactly does that mean? So phone X can draw more fish than phone Y, let me know how many people are going around drawing as many fish as they possibly can.
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Vegeta, lol. I haven't heard that name in years. What was that, a power reader?
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I have known that guy for ages.
he bought a Surround, and he is not happy with it, then he gonna post Sh!t about it.
If you want to compare, there is a big thread outside , comparing Windows Phone and iPhone 4S from hardware to software.
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Oh yea,dude,u have known me for ages...lmao,the device in using was HTC Mozart.u guessed surround is pretty close though.
I have been windows smartphone supporter since Dopod carrying windows mobile5.0and CE.I think u are pretty new here though.I have been active even since the wp7 is not commercially available.i even created a very high views thread that covering wp7 news.
The reason I'm unhappy with this platform has been posted over 50times,then the waves of new users have classify me as hater and even a Microsoft supporter&wm developer has been called as hater as well.therefore,this platform will just left to you guys maybe quieter and better.but definitely the development would be slower.
you made my day though,known me for ages and I'm using surround......lol