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I understand that they don't allow them in ROM's and to be discussed on XDA. My question is in regards to moderators deleting threads but seem to have no issue with people asking about free Wifi tethering.
Technically you're supposed to pay Sprint for that feature but a lot of ROM's include the Wifi Tether app for free. I just don't understand how some things are swept under a rug and other things are accepted.
Who knows what the answer to this is brother. But it for Damn sure seems like you are still stuck on The Ultimate Droid thread being deleted. I read that whole thread and you were basically flaming on XDA for making people adhere to the rules. Take the Ultimate Droid rants elsewhere because we all know when you talk about closing a thread in this post its in regard to that Rom thread being closed. And I would say if people were trying to profit off of posting tethering stuff like the dev of the ultimate Droid was then that would be morally and legally wrong. Stop crying.
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I'm just looking for an answer to a question. You didn't even remotely touch on the topic at hand. I just want to know what people think about being able to tether for free and how many ROM's on this website have it included. If you visited this website as much as I do you'd understand why I'm bringing this up.
Actually, I do on a daily basis hence the xda app on my phone . And I did touch on it, no one is trying to profit off of tether, its kind of the same as downloading music.. the people who get sued and stuff by the riaa are those who try to profit from the music they didn't buy. Either way its not morally one hundred percent okay but its not like were killing anyone.
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The wifi tether app is free, so it can be included. Swype ask xda to remove it, even though it was free, so it had to be removed. Fancy widget was removed because it was a direct ripoff of a HTC program. Someones pay wallpaper was removed because it is warez. If sprint decided to go after the author of wifi tether, I'm sure XDA would force its removal.
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The wifi tether app is free, so it can be included. Swype ask xda to remove it, even though it was free, so it had to be removed. Fancy widget was removed because it was a direct ripoff of a HTC program. Someones pay wallpaper was removed because it is warez. If sprint decided to go after the author of wifi tether, I'm sure XDA would force its removal.
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Agreed, you know Sprint has employees who check xda for legal stuff. I'm sure if they had a problem with this they would have done something by now. Especially as many updates as we have had by now Sprint could block tether apps besides their own if they really cared. Just as they patch root exploits.
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I understand that they don't allow them in ROM's and to be discussed on XDA. My question is in regards to moderators deleting threads but seem to have no issue with people asking about free Wifi tethering.
Technically you're supposed to pay Sprint for that feature but a lot of ROM's include the Wifi Tether app for free. I just don't understand how some things are swept under a rug and other things are accepted.
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First of all, I think the main aim of the moderators/site owners is to maintain the popularity and relevance of this site. I am sure Sprint is aware of the Wifi Tether App in all the ROMS given the numerous sprint employees that post here regularly. If it bothered Sprint the site would hear about it and probably make a decision at that point. I doubt Sprint cares given the free publicity their devices get here.
Now if the WiFi tether app itself was being sold for profit and was included for free(warez) then I am sure the developers would mind which several of them probably have when their apps were included in ROMS.
You seem to expect the moderators to spend their time analyzing every single thread and deliver some kind of justice. That is not going to happen, their aim is to keep the site trouble-free, popular and relevant. Even if it means to err on the side of caution and sideline one/two developers who have been known to create issues.
If I felt as strongly as you do about the issue I would put my money where my mouth is and delete my account on this site and join somewhere I felt more comfortable. Would save me a lot of aggravation.
Cheers !
plus wireless tether has been around a little long than sprints evo hotspot has it may not have been for this device but it was around
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Who knows what the answer to this is brother. But it for Damn sure seems like you are still stuck on The Ultimate Droid thread being deleted. I read that whole thread and you were basically flaming on XDA for making people adhere to the rules. Take the Ultimate Droid rants elsewhere because we all know when you talk about closing a thread in this post its in regard to that Rom thread being closed. And I would say if people were trying to profit off of posting tethering stuff like the dev of the ultimate Droid was then that would be morally and legally wrong. Stop crying.
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Yeah, Yellowcard this is the same guy on the other thread. I also was following that thread and I don't think it was cool that he was flaming on xda.
Why can't we all, just get along!?
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Why can't we all, just get along!?
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Your signature...is absolutely epic.
Is this a joke.. You guys are actually trying to explain the differences ?? OMG!!!
THERE IS NONE!!
ONE LIES AND THE OTHER SWEARS TO IT!!!
The OP is right... It makes NO sense what so ever and there is no possible way you could argue that.
Lets see if I can make it easier to understand. If I kill someone, I go to jail...this is warez, its illegal no matter how you slice it. Now if I beat my wife (i do not, and do not support it, just an example) and she refuses to press charges, I do not go to jail...this is wifi tether, its only illegal if someone cares. Hope this had made it easier to understand.
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I understand that they don't allow them in ROM's and to be discussed on XDA. My question is in regards to moderators deleting threads but seem to have no issue with people asking about free Wifi tethering.
Technically you're supposed to pay Sprint for that feature but a lot of ROM's include the Wifi Tether app for free. I just don't understand how some things are swept under a rug and other things are accepted.
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The sprint hotspot free ove a 30 a month charge from sprint?
How big is that compared to a one dollar or two app???
Clueless...
Pretty much that's what it is. The only difference is that one person "steals" and people don't get their props/recognition. I guess it's OK to steal and get out of paying for a feature while racking up bandwidth. People say I'm complaining about this and that but when it comes down to it they look stupid because they are also doing shady **** too.
My 2 cents for what its worth.
WiFi tethering is a functionality built into froyo. In order to get it working, the feature is either hacked to remove Sprint authentication, or you can download another app that allows the same functionality. You'll also note that "sprint WiFi tethering" is not available as a standalone app from the market - again, its already built into the software of the phone. This is no different than the hack that allowed wireless n for WiFi, before it was available, or to set your phone to pick up Verizon towers for better coverage. The phone already supported that functionality, it just took some hacks to get it working.
The other items mentioned as warez are not inherently built into the phones. Devs (most of them ordinary guys like us), have an idea for a great app, work on them for days/weeks/months and may decide to release them for a fee when complete. Xda is a developers forum, with stress on developers. It only stands to reason that they would take a hard line when people give away those paid apps for free.
And to the op, if you were really interested in getting answers to your questions, you could have easily sent a pm to a mod. By starting this thread, you obviously just wanted to stir the pot some more. It's been said before, there are other sites that don't care about the all the work devs put into their apps, where you can get all the free apps you want without paying for them. Xda is simply not that kind of forum.
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Personally I realize that I am a guest. So not to be imposing I limit my pov.
You are not alone in your POV.
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I understand that they don't allow them in ROM's and to be discussed on XDA. My question is in regards to moderators deleting threads but seem to have no issue with people asking about free Wifi tethering.
Technically you're supposed to pay Sprint for that feature but a lot of ROM's include the Wifi Tether app for free. I just don't understand how some things are swept under a rug and other things are accepted.
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technically the wifi tether is built into android naturally, carriers lock that down to add on a cost to unlimited data that your already paying for
This is an issue, do to if Im already paying for unlimited data, what clarifies it to what kind of data it has to be. Is the internet not the internet, these kind of add-on fees are what telco's your trying to push on to wire lines ( unsuccessful so far, i for get the name of the bill). Bt the mobile is a very grey area right now, this is also why ATT for one has a tiered system now
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I'm just looking for an answer to a question. You didn't even remotely touch on the topic at hand. I just want to know what people think about being able to tether for free and how many ROM's on this website have it included. If you visited this website as much as I do you'd understand why I'm bringing this up.
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You can tether for free???
Someone needs to define software and hardware to the OP, because if we use his definitions, roms and rooting methods are also warez.
Alright guys not trying to start another "I heard" thread but I read some upsetting news today.....it seems the community is going to begin to dwindle.....maybe not for us specifically but more for some of the newer phone models... I took some interest in the Droid bionic today and so I decided to go look at the thread for it.....under the general topic there was a discussion about Verizon beginning to crack down on root users. This is due mainly to the theft of services (WiFi tether). This crack down will mean Verizon completely locking down the bootloader and making phones unrootable. Theyre even going as far as to back this up with network locks. If your new device isn't verified on there network with an unrooted Rom, they will potentially lock down your service so you can't use your phone for anything essentially. Now as of right now it appears that they are focused mainly on new devices and they aren't so worried with us. I can completely understand why they would want to stop the theft of this service but at the same time this news comes as a bummer. How long will it be until Verizon locks down root altogether? And this isn't even just Verizon but rather a joint venture across multiple carriers. I don't know how to link but go look it up if youre interested guys. It's under Droid bionic general. I don't know how to take this information....but anyways let's get some input rolling here. What do you guys think about this? And better yet anyone think its gonna affect our devices at some point?
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Hey man, I can honestly say that I think this is complete bull! Haha. Why would they take away the boot loader?? Thats aa main trouble shoot tool in its self, and if this does happen. I highly doubt that it would stop root. We would be able to get past it.
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Read the thread....even if they do get around it there will be back ups that will kill service to any rooted device. Idk if this is true but its interesting
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We have wayy too many smart devs to let this happen. I'm not worried
This is a rumor from ONE source. People have been getting all upset over this but until anything actually happens, it's just that. A rumor.
Besides, if Verizon is worried about people tethering for free, it would make more sense to charge for data on a tiered level like they're probably going to start doing anyway.
Wild rumors and speculation based on forum posts, which link back to other forum posts, which link to other forums.... which eventually circle back to one guy who doesn't provide any back-up for his claims.
The original panic started here:
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...otloaders-rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html
Can we please restore some sanity to the community? Will people please stop panicking based on a bunch of "I heard..." and vague references to unnamed, unconfirmed sources?
Am I saying that this is impossible? No. But as intelligent adults, should we not demand a higher burden of proof than vague references to "multiple channels"? If there really are multiple channels that can confirm this vast conspiracy, why hasn't it broken as a reputable news story anywhere? One dude cracked the case, but no one else can corroborate it or cite anything?
This is claimed to be an effort to crack down on unauthorized tethering. If that is the goal, what seems more likely?
1. The claim that "Multiple carriers were working collaboratively on a program that would be able to identify rooted users and create a database of their meids."
or
2. Phone companies will just start phasing out unlimited data in favor of tiered plans
Given that we're already seeing #2 happen on some carriers, I'll put my money on that.
Of course, people love David and Goliath stories, so I doubt these rumors will ever die, just like the Placebo Throttle Remover will never die.
Yea, maybe all the phone companies have gotten together and are developing super secret methods of tracking us down. And maybe the Reverse Vampires are involved. And the Masons.
The original panic rumor claims that these things are already happening. For example:
"More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program."
Sooooooo..... if it's already happening, there should be some evidence, right?
P.S. - I have heard from multiple sources that XDA is going to start tracking members by injecting code into any attachment that is placed on this forum. I've confirmed it through multiple channels. No, I can't be any more specific than that: I hope you understand. After all, this is top secret information... I can't just go tossing it around. It's a vast conspiracy, but they've managed to keep it completely bottled up.
Don't believe me!?!? Well, just wait until it happens to youuuuuuuu!!!!! (Scary music)
byrong, thank you!
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Wild rumors and speculation based on forum posts, which link back to other forum posts, which link to other forums.... which eventually circle back to one guy who doesn't provide any back-up for his claims.
The original panic started here:
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...otloaders-rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html
Can we please restore some sanity to the community? Will people please stop panicking based on a bunch of "I heard..." and vague references to unnamed, unconfirmed sources?
Am I saying that this is impossible? No. But as intelligent adults, should we not demand a higher burden of proof than vague references to "multiple channels"? If there really are multiple channels that can confirm this vast conspiracy, why hasn't it broken as a reputable news story anywhere? One dude cracked the case, but no one else can corroborate it or cite anything?
This is claimed to be an effort to crack down on unauthorized tethering. If that is the goal, what seems more likely?
1. The claim that "Multiple carriers were working collaboratively on a program that would be able to identify rooted users and create a database of their meids."
or
2. Phone companies will just start phasing out unlimited data in favor of tiered plans
Given that we're already seeing #2 happen on some carriers, I'll put my money on that.
Of course, people love David and Goliath stories, so I doubt these rumors will ever die, just like the Placebo Throttle Remover will never die.
Yea, maybe all the phone companies have gotten together and are developing super secret methods of tracking us down. And maybe the Reverse Vampires are involved. And the Masons.
The original panic rumor claims that these things are already happening. For example:
"More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program."
Sooooooo..... if it's already happening, there should be some evidence, right?
P.S. - I have heard from multiple sources that XDA is going to start tracking members by injecting code into any attachment that is placed on this forum. I've confirmed it through multiple channels. No, I can't be any more specific than that: I hope you understand. After all, this is top secret information... I can't just go tossing it around. It's a vast conspiracy, but they've managed to keep it completely bottled up.
Don't believe me!?!? Well, just wait until it happens to youuuuuuuu!!!!! (Scary music)
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Damn dude.....just trying to put some discussion into this topic. Ouch. I understand and preface this with not trying to start another I heard thread.....I wasn't trying to instill panic in anyone. No need to write up an essay and a half of flame. Simply giving some discussion topic.
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Damn dude.....just trying to put some discussion into this topic. Ouch. I understand and preface this with not trying to start another I heard thread.....I wasn't trying to instill panic in anyone. No need to write up an essay and a half of flame. Simply giving some discussion topic.
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I believe a thread about this was discussed a few weeks ago and closed. I dont believe it will happen snyways
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I believe a thread about this was discussed a few weeks ago and closed. I dont believe it will happen snyways
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I don't necesarilly believe it will happen but is it plausible? yes....You can't deny that major carriers and development teams have more knowledge, experience, and capability then ANY developer on xda. Look at the past. Apple actually brought out a lawsuit trying to keep people from jailbreaking devices. So while we may all sit around and laugh at the idea and while it is just a bunch of hear say at this point, it is definitely plausible. And i do agree that it may just be easier to do tiered data plans, but then that kind of screws over verizon's customers who actually pay for tether. So you can kind of understand why they wouldn't want to continue to move on that route. Both options are viable and neither of them appears to be any sort of threat right now. As stated above, right now it's just a bunch of threads linking back to other threads linking back to other threads. And I don't know how much there is to believe about it but none the less it definitely could happen.... But hopefully nothing will happen....I mean come on manufacturers hardly keep their devices up to date...2.3 has already been dropped on how many devices and we're still waiting for it. People are on to sense 3.0 and we still have 1.0 on our stock rom. If they decide to kill the independent dev community then they better start dropping crazy updates with extremely customizable roms. It just seems like too much work that would ultimately end in manufacturers and providers losing money. Sooo ya. probs not gonna happen
If people didnt abuse tether, it wouldnt be an issue. So much free wifi, i cant think of last time i tethered. I also actually pay for internet at hone, yet i know several who tether for home internet.
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Verizon would be foolish to do this. People are attracted to their service due to the freedom of android...
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Damn dude.....just trying to put some discussion into this topic. Ouch. I understand and preface this with not trying to start another I heard thread.....I wasn't trying to instill panic in anyone. No need to write up an essay and a half of flame. Simply giving some discussion topic.
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It's not a flame, it's just the truth... There really is not a whole lot to be concerned about. It's out of our control so whatever happens happens, we'll have to deal with it when it shows up, IF it shows up. But why be so concerned about it?
Having said that, as far as rooting goes, they SHOULD embrace developers and allow us to use our roms and stuff legally... but I think that there is stuff set in writing and signatures that are still in effect for the time being. I see them never allowing us to root, but compromising by letting us set our own defaults and not having to use their proprietary carrier BS eventually. Whatever we make our phones into (right now) creates a market, and where there's a market there's money. We'll either have the perfect phone or the option to make the perfect phone, just like we can buy the perfect PC or make the perfect PC. Well, at least as far as software goes.
I personally believe we'll ultimately get what we want to the point where rooting is useless as far as ordinary everyday users go. But right now we don't know what this whole smartphone craze is or what its gonna be when it finally plateaus, and neither do the manufacturers & carriers so they can't exactly crack whips on our backs for doing all of this yet.
Besides, the hackers that make these roms make the phones better. They turn us into brand and carrier loyalists. The Optimus, Galaxy S, Xperia, HTC & Droids all have followings for different reasons, and the developers are the most rabid and loyal of them all. They might not NEED us, but we're still pretty freaking important.
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Alright guys not trying to start another "I heard" thread but I read some upsetting news today.....it seems the community is going to begin to dwindle.....maybe not for us specifically but more for some of the newer phone models... I took some interest in the Droid bionic today and so I decided to go look at the thread for it.....under the general topic there was a discussion about Verizon beginning to crack down on root users. This is due mainly to the theft of services (WiFi tether). This crack down will mean Verizon completely locking down the bootloader and making phones unrootable. Theyre even going as far as to back this up with network locks. If your new device isn't verified on there network with an unrooted Rom, they will potentially lock down your service so you can't use your phone for anything essentially. Now as of right now it appears that they are focused mainly on new devices and they aren't so worried with us. I can completely understand why they would want to stop the theft of this service but at the same time this news comes as a bummer. How long will it be until Verizon locks down root altogether? And this isn't even just Verizon but rather a joint venture across multiple carriers. I don't know how to link but go look it up if youre interested guys. It's under Droid bionic general. I don't know how to take this information....but anyways let's get some input rolling here. What do you guys think about this? And better yet anyone think its gonna affect our devices at some point?
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Okay I'm going to be as nice as I can about this. It's not true. We've had so many threads about this the threads are starting to scare people. Please stop. I don't mean to be rude to you. There is not on piece of solid evidence and I've talked to soooo many people it's not even funny. Don't buy it.
I'm rooted and I have wireless tether. However, there are apps in the market (Easy Tether and PDANet, for example) that do the same thing as wireless tether, but use a USB cable and work on unrooted phones, so the argument that VZW is cracking down on rooted users due to wireless tether isn't valid. I use WT every now and then if I need to connect my laptop for work reasons when I am at a customers location. If VZW feels the need to lock my phone, well, it IS their network and they have that right. I rooted my phone to get rid of the software that was bogging my phone down.
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I'm rooted and I have wireless tether. However, there are apps in the market (Easy Tether and PDANet, for example) that do the same thing as wireless tether, but use a USB cable and work on unrooted phones, so the argument that VZW is cracking down on rooted users due to wireless tether isn't valid. I use WT every now and then if I need to connect my laptop for work reasons when I am at a customers location. If VZW feels the need to lock my phone, well, it IS their network and they have that right. I rooted my phone to get rid of the software that was bogging my phone down.
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hey, i recently joined this page on facebook (i've withheld the name of the page as to not seem like i'm here to promote it or such, not that it requires promotion with its 2 million members) and a many of us including the owner of the page there are a free-thinking bunch. The problem is that whenever some user finds something we say offensive, we get reported and are blocked from posting for 10-12 hours, sometimes entire days...
The gracious admin there took it upon himself to finance an entirely new site as a refuge for us. But most of lack the technical know-how of getting a site up and running. We have a few volunteers ready to devote their time and skills to help in the site's construction.
The owner suggested a forum-esque feel to the site rather than something like facebook itself and when anyone mentions forum the only thing my mind thinks is XDA!! This site is the epitome of what a forum should be about!!
So i was hoping if anyone could give me some sort of information as to what the site is based on (HTML, PHP, etc)? what type security measures should we be looking at? we read something about a using social networking engines to enable features like instant messaging...
i was hoping if someone could point me (and by relation, us) in the right direction.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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hey, i recently joined this page on facebook (i've withheld the name of the page as to not seem like i'm here to promote it or such, not that it requires promotion with its 2 million members) and a many of us including the owner of the page there are a free-thinking bunch. The problem is that whenever some user finds something we say offensive, we get reported and are blocked from posting for 10-12 hours, sometimes entire days...
The gracious admin there took it upon himself to finance an entirely new site as a refuge for us. But most of lack the technical know-how of getting a site up and running. We have a few volunteers ready to devote their time and skills to help in the site's construction.
The owner suggested a forum-esque feel to the site rather than something like facebook itself and when anyone mentions forum the only thing my mind thinks is XDA!! This site is the epitome of what a forum should be about!!
So i was hoping if anyone could give me some sort of information as to what the site is based on (HTML, PHP, etc)? what type security measures should we be looking at? we read something about a using social networking engines to enable features like instant messaging...
i was hoping if someone could point me (and by relation, us) in the right direction.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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This site is running on vBulletin 3.8.6 which is commercial software. There are free bulletin boards out there. As for security, this is a massive topic that I don't think anyone can summarise. Obvious things like good password policies (long and random, never re-used, etc) and keeping all software patched up to date are key. Other than that it all depends on the implementation. Also, there are penetration testing tools that you can find off the internet to test your site.
Dave
thanks a million Dave. i'll look into it and pass the message on to our group.
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thanks a million Dave. i'll look into it and pass the message on to our group.
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What Dave said, but beware that your site is only as secure as the system it runs on.
Your system can be the most secure in the world, with lovely nice PHP code, the latest patched vBulletin install, and I might still get into it...
If you are using shared web hosting, and some peon is using an out of date wordpress install, they can likely wreak a fair bit of havock on a poorly setup server.
Unfortunately most shared hosting is poorly setup. If you have 2 million members, you WILL need dedicated server space. I would also suggest you need to seriously consider the undertaking here - 2 million people is A LOT, and I don't know how many simultaneous users you are talking about, but it sounds a big target...
You will need a fairly powerful server from the sounds of it. I would suggest looking at the available forum systems, installing them (free ones), or trying out the demos.
I assist in the running of a number of sites, from single figure numbers of visitors per day, through to hundreds of thousands/millions per day... The requirements for these differ HUGELY. While something free like SMF might be good for a site with 200 folk, it's not likely a good idea on a site with 100,000 visitors per day posting...
Consider backup strategies too, for WHEN the worst happens - not if... Where will you store backups? How will you secure them?
Finally, remember to look to the future. phpBB is pretty poor, I suggest avoiding it. But what will you move to next? Make sure you pick a system that ain't gonna die tomorrow... If it does, you are stuck without security updates, and you might find it hard to migrate to another one... Be sure to go with a system that has good support to migrate further if/when the time comes...
woah!! ok, this was a big help...although we have close to 2 million people signed on, only about 30 - 40% of those are regularly active and perhaps 100 or so who're almost always there...
i saw BBCode implementation at linux mint forums and found it a total fail compared to XDA...i had completely forgotten about the back-up portion...
knew i could count on XDA for a lil' help...God i love this site!!
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woah!! ok, this was a big help...although we have close to 2 million people signed on, only about 30 - 40% of those are regularly active and perhaps 100 or so who're almost always there...
i saw BBCode implementation at linux mint forums and found it a total fail compared to XDA...i had completely forgotten about the back-up portion...
knew i could count on XDA for a lil' help...God i love this site!!
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Haha no worries.
From those figures I would size the site based on coping with 5000 simultaneous users minimum. I doubt you will get as much tbh, as many people hit the homepage and look at the latest, then go to the next site they visit.
If you can afford, aim to cope with 10k+ simultaneous, to cover you for if you get a bout of publicity...
I'd reckon on a well-run server you would be OK with 8 to 16 GB of RAM, and a few hundred gigabytes of hdd. Bandwidth is hard to gauge without info on the site and content...
But I think it could be run for under $400 per month, and that is a very high estimate to cover things like multiple backup locations.
You will instantly ruin your site reputation if you need to use backups and they don't work...
If nobody is experienced in server management, hire someone to do it. These things are often best left to the experts where you are unsure... It will likely pay for itself in their expertise at least 3 times a month (or at least that's how often some of my clients proclaim I saved their "lives" )
As I was searching the Internet today I came across this! Can anyone verify it??
http://www.usoftsmartphone.com/t410056.html
For some reason I have my doubts about this. Not just that, but there is no link anywhere, just screenshots, which can be easily faked. This kind of thing happens in the gaming console arena all the time. People just do it for attention. Until a recognized developer we KNOW (on here preferrably......hsbadr????) can confirm this, Im going to rule it as fake.
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For some reason I have my doubts about this. Not just that, but there is no link anywhere, just screenshots, which can be easily faked. This kind of thing happens in the gaming console arena all the time. People just do it for attention. Until a recognized developer we KNOW (on here preferrably......hsbadr????) can confirm this, Im going to rule it as fake.
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Although, he has some petty good video of startup, reboot, and maintaining root...as well as showing root checker etc. so time will tell.
The guys a FRAUD. The XDA mods locked down his thread cause he was posting lies about permanent root which he willfully failed to show verity upon request. He is only looking for attention by means of "Thanks." pay him no attention. He's a troll. lol
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This looks like a waste of time...delete.
So there is no reliable system yet to root the Note 4?
They way most of you have been treating and talking about this guy, if I were him and really did have the solution, I'd say "eff ya".
plainbum said:
They way most of you have been treating and talking about this guy, if I were him and really did have the solution, I'd say "eff ya".
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Agreed. I don't understand why everyone is so uppity. What's the harm in just being patient and having a "wait and see" attitude, instead of calling him a fraud and dropping the ban hammer just because he hasn't revealed details yet. Unless we know for certain that he hasn't achieved root, then I don't think we should push him away, even if we don't like his methods. Keep in mind that there is a language barrier here also, so there may be some misunderstanding.
He already said many times he wasn't going to release it. He said it would hurt his business and Samsung would patch it.
Which translates to I've found something that will work on many Samsung devices so if I release it I won't be able to use it to make money in my business, because having a solution for only the Verizon note 4 is not going to do his business much good as he is from outside US.
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Agreed. I don't understand why everyone is so uppity. What's the harm in just being patient and having a "wait and see" attitude, instead of calling him a fraud and dropping the ban hammer just because he hasn't revealed details yet. Unless we know for certain that he hasn't achieved root, then I don't think we should push him away, even if we don't like his methods. Keep in mind that there is a language barrier here also, so there may be some misunderstanding.
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All you have to do is look at his past post. He did the same thing with an LG device. Posting he has achieved root when he had not. When the mods finally asked him to provide proof he declined to answer. When he's been contacted on his site, his number, etc, etc, he declines to answer the question and left the LG community it's in a complete disarray. We don't need people posting root achieved notices just to get their thanks scores higher. The Note 4 community it's has been thru enough already. And if it was going to hurt his business to release the method, then why release I've achieved root. No thanks, the guys a complete fraud.
I can appreciate that reasoning, thanks.
Here a genuine question, not trying to be argumentative:
How is this situation with vnmobile different than the video posted showing the Galaxy S5 bootloader unlock?
http://www.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s5-bootloader-has-been-unlocked/
It appears that this dev (beaups) does not plan to release his methods either, yet he is not treated with the same disdain as vnmobile. Granted it appears that beaups has earned respect previously, but at the end of the day the same question remains: what is the purpose of sharing the video?
This guy definitely a fraud. His real name is Ngoc Vu and he's running a business selling tech equipments in Vietnam. Let me throw a few things on the table here.
1) Language barrier issue - Nope I speak his language and had visit his website and his facebood page. Just full of shi...
2)Hurt his business if he released the root fix? Another bull sh... 2 ways he could make money. a) release the fix and collect over 20k cash from XDA b) Offer a service to root the phone with a fee. Guess what? none existed.
Summary - he just want to drive traffic to his web site, and make his business more visible to the world specially XDA where everyone interested in cell phone/tablet and electronic equipments. Case closed!
i just saw this post. And i confirmed he is a Vietnamese guys. like me. ^^
But i am so surprise, because he used the Booloader and ROM from "hsbadr" of XDA forum.
- This is the post of HERO "hsbadr" (By hsbadr, Recognized Developer / Recognized Contributor on 13th August 2015, 10:46 PM) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...nt/firmware-safe-upgrade-to-lollipop-t3178148
------------------------AND this the post of the guy in Vietnam ^^ (it was 31-10-2015, 06:02 PM ) . in Asia country like Vietnam, the Day is first, then the Month. So his video was Oct 31,2015. After "hsbadr" released his tutorial. ^^ i wish i can upload photo for you guys.
http://vietfones.vn/forum/showthread.php?1047158
This: "N910VVRU2BOG5 - Android 5.0.1 : Fri, 31 Jul 2015" is f-u-c-king fake ^^
Pls Forgive him!!!
Obviously, this is concerning. BUT...
"according to videocardz, the hackers gained access to"
- source code for every Trusted Applet (TA) installed in Samsung’s TrustZone environment used for sensitive operations (e.g. hardware cryptography, binary encryption, access control)
- algorithms for all biometric unlock operations
- bootloader source code for all recent Samsung devices
- confidential source code from Qualcomm
- source code for Samsung’s activation servers
- full source code for technology used for authorizing and authenticating Samsung accounts, including APIs and services"
So they have the bootloaders...and COULD help the devs unlock them for rooting.
* fingers crosses *
Lol, to plug all the new holes most will panic update as soon as Samsung releases the updates.
On the top of the Sammy holes to plug list will be a new bootloader lockout strategy, more difficult then ever before.
"You have attempted to unlock the bootloader.
This Samsung will self-destruct in 10 seconds.
Good luck, Mr. Phelps."
These hackers serve no one but themselves; thieves stealing not just from Samsung but Samsung's customers as well.
Our net gain is not just zero, it's a huge net loss because of Samsung's bumbling incompetence.
blackhawk said:
Lol, to plug all the new holes most will panic update as soon as Samsung releases the updates.
On the top of the Sammy holes to plug list will be a new bootloader lockout strategy, more difficult then ever before.
"You have attempted to unlock the bootloader.
This Samsung will self-destruct in 10 seconds.
Good luck, Mr. Phelps."
These hackers serve no one but themselves; thieves stealing not just from Samsung but Samsung's customers as well.
Our net gain is not just zero, it's a huge net loss because of Samsung's bumbling incompetence.
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People will ABSOLUTELY update ASAP. Fair reasoning, but also Sammy WILL plug that possible loophole.
Just sayin, MAYBE a hacker in the XDA community...possible.
dirtybudha said:
People will ABSOLUTELY update ASAP. Fair reasoning, but also Sammy WILL plug that possible loophole.
Just sayin, MAYBE a hacker in the XDA community...possible.
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Who knows? There's no telling if the code has been altered. The source is a big not to be trusted red flag.
Personally I wouldn't touch that hot potato.
This is for all to see. This is the "Official" XDA stance on this matter as per the Administrator staff. So please be mindful of this, and if you think a member is using this illegally acquired information, then please report it ASAP as none of this leak should find it's way onto XDA. And please feel free to link this post for other members to see if applicable.
Well people can ask questions about the leak, could it lead to this or that getting hacked etc (Knox etc) and theoretical discussions can take place.
BUT, we are not here to participate in a high profile hack and sharing of stolen data. For all I know these hackers have some of my data along with that of thousands of our members. Even Knox security is a concern to everyone here.
Now if this were just a matter of hacking that allows access to a device, root etc., then we have always argued that as owners of devices we should have a right to get the most from our own devices. That does not include sharing personal data, sharing illegally obtained security information or coding that very clearly would be illegal to share.
We have sometimes allowed information that is freely available on the net to be used to allow individual users / developers to get better access to their own devices, but this leak potentially goes way beyond finding a way for individuals to root their phones and XDA must not be used to share indiscriminate mass amounts of data which would breach laws in most countries and likely includes personal individual information.
XDA is like this.................
"After examining a door lock I have found a way you can pick your front door lock, try it if you like, it might help you if you lose your key."
XDA is not like this ...
"After examining a door lock, I have found a way to pick locks and I got into a shop and stole thousands of things. Would you like some? Also, would you let me come into your house and invite people in so I can tell them where to get stolen goods?"
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Thank you: Badger50 FSM
Badger50 said:
This is for all to see. This is the "Official" XDA stance on this matter as per the Administrator staff. So please be mindful of this, and if you think a member is using this illegally acquired information, then please report it ASAP as none of this leak should find it's way onto XDA. And please feel free to link this post for other members to see if applicable.
Thank you: Badger50 FSM
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most of us is really just looking to unlock the bootloaders to grant access to certain parts of the phone and reduce samsung e waste, but i get it, ethics and all...
Not sure that such a strong stance on this is right here. Given that development in the past has often benefitted from leaks and "illegally acquired" information. To say that none of the leak will ever make it's way here is just like trying to deny the inevitable.
I personally look forward to seeing what this brings.
And to be honest no one is using anything just discussing
Badger50 said:
This is for all to see. This is the "Official" XDA stance on this matter as per the Administrator staff. So please be mindful of this, and if you think a member is using this illegally acquired information, then please report it ASAP as none of this leak should find it's way onto XDA. And please feel free to link this post for other members to see if applicable.
Thank you: Badger50 FSM
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if someone uses this info to unlock bootloaders for us, you want us to snitch on them? what about all the threads have ever existed where insiders allow us to pay them for unlock tokens? all the threads where exploits that have been found from illegal leaks?
diabl0w said:
if someone uses this info to unlock bootloaders for us, you want us to snitch on them? what about all the threads have ever existed where insiders allow us to pay them for unlock tokens? all the threads where exploits that have been found from illegal leaks?
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Couldn't agree more sir!
Badger50 said:
This is for all to see. This is the "Official" XDA stance on this matter as per the Administrator staff. So please be mindful of this, and if you think a member is using this illegally acquired information, then please report it ASAP as none of this leak should find it's way onto XDA. And please feel free to link this post for other members to see if applicable.
Thank you: Badger50 FSM
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Maybe lookup how XDA developers was formed and what the XDA was and how everything was possible to publish those days.... People were reverse engineering handhelds and stuff
DaanNL said:
Maybe lookup how XDA developers was formed and what the XDA was and how everything was possible to publish those days.... People were reverse engineering handhelds and stuff
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There is a huge difference between reverse engineering and posting stolen information. We also still actively encourage and host threads of reverse engineered "stuff", how else do you think we have TWRP, ROMs, Root, etc..?
It will be extremely difficult to find out, how much reverse engineering or stolen information is in a future bootloader hack ...