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Should I switch from VZW to Sprint?

I currently have the droid bionic with a iPhone as my back up. Is it worth me switching to sprint to pick up the Epic touch? How's the battery life and reception with sprint compared to VZW? Right now with juice defender I get about a consistent 20 hrs actually using my phone.

Verizons network is better as far as data speeds go. I don't think it's worth the switch for just a device.
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Depends on where you are and where you tend to travel to.
I get 2-2.5Mb 3G speeds with Sprint (250 - 300KBytes/s) at home and and work. I also get 1-1.5Mb 3G in the middle of the forest up in northern Wisconsin. All with a lowly Moment.
There is an active 4G tower where I work (according to a friend's Evo) despite it not being on the coverage map.
On the other hand, if you are stuck anywhere where Verizon has the only network, you will have crappy data speeds because Verizon refuses to allow anything more than 1x roaming to Sprint customers. This also applies if you are on the edge of a Sprint tower... Sprint tends to want to keep you connected to a Sprint signal, regardless of its strength. This can get frustrating at times.
If you do go with Sprint, the first app you should download and pay for is Roam Control.

That all depends on your needs...
Sprint's voice and data plans are much cheaper and 4g data is unlimited. 3g is limited to 5gb per month.
If you do need coverage in remote areas, check Sprint's coverage maps and see if there is signal where you need it.
http://coverage.sprint.com/IMPACT.jsp
If you dont use much data and want to spend more to get faster speeds while paying more for voice as well, Verizon is the way to go. I would only hang with Verizon if coverage is an issue.
I had Verizon for many years and switched to Sprint in 2006. I've never regretted making the change.

-logik- said:
That all depends on your needs...
Sprint's voice and data plans are much cheaper and 4g data is unlimited. 3g is limited to 5gb per month.
If you do need coverage in remote areas, check Sprint's coverage maps and see if there is signal where you need it.
http://coverage.sprint.com/IMPACT.jsp
If you dont use much data and want to spend more to get faster speeds while paying more for voice as well, Verizon is the way to go. I would only hang with Verizon if coverage is an issue.
I had Verizon for many years and switched to Sprint in 2006. I've never regretted making the change.
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Sprint doesn't cap data at 5GB for mobile phones. Only on their usb cards.

eakrish said:
I currently have the droid bionic with a iPhone as my back up. Is it worth me switching to sprint to pick up the Epic touch? How's the battery life and reception with sprint compared to VZW? Right now with juice defender I get about a consistent 20 hrs actually using my phone.
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Pick your provider FIRST, then pick your device.
As stated be sure to not just check a coverage map but to check with friends and coworkers who have Sprint and live/commute/work in your area.
I've traveled the country a little and I have never been without Sprint coverage except in two tiny holes in my home town...where not a single provider has anything but threshold levels of service out doors, indoors you get squat from any of them. These "holes", however, can be deal breakers if you happen to live and/or work in them. Coverage maps help, a little, but asking people (and looking at their signal meters) is far more precise.
As far as data speed is concerned it's a mixed bag. I came from a line of HTC devices where changing the PRL on-the-go was simple so I used the "00001.prl" a lot. This PRL, essentially, puts you on Verizon's towers, full speed 3G. I can honestly say that while Verizon's speeds tend to be far more consistent than Sprint's that even though I had the chance to get out of Sprint this month (for free) that instead of going to Big Red I used that to upgrade to the Epic Touch without hesitation...The data speeds can drag-ass in a highly congested area at times but unless it's lunch time in a 1-bar area I don't tend to dip below 500kbps and if it is later in the day (or evening) and/or in a sparsely populated area (or higher-income area, draw your own conclusions) I have seen as high as 2.7mbps...my friend lives in a low-population high income area and he may be the only Sprint subscriber for miles, lol, and they get 2.5~2.7mbps all day every day. There are also times/places where Sprint's 3G speed absolutely spanks Verizon's.
...as far as 4G goes it can be blazing fast but you probably won't ever get the signal indoors unless you are in a 4G saturated metropolitan environment. I hear lots of complaints about 4G speed but when I get connected it's always faster than my home internet (6mbps, the most you can get from residential ATT DSL around here), I have seen 15mbps too.
As far as price is concerned Sprint wins hands down especially if you consider the unlimited data and free roaming. Voice roaming is unlimited. There is a "soft" limit of 3G roaming at 300mb, but, that is a floating line. If you aren't usually roaming but happen to travel somewhere that you are forced to roam at worst they will call or send you a letter telling you that if you do it again your contract may be terminated. But as long as it doesn't happen at work or at home they are mostly forgiving...and if not? That's a free out on your contract and now you have a $500-$700 (retail) phone for trade-up or resale to go back to Verizon.
EDIT: Oh yeah, battery life. It's killer. Very very killer compared to a Moment, Hero, Evo 4G and Evo 3D this thing slaughters them all. It's hard to say since I have been using my phone more than breathing these past 2 days, but, considering that I'm very impressed....*very* impressed.

I agree with most everyone here take a look and see what you are using and what you need. make sure you have coverage at home and work and other places you visit regularly. if it works out for you make the switch. You can save alot of money with Sprint depending on your needs and they have a great selection of phones, I just the the GSII and it is awesome about 50% faster then the evo3d it just flies. but all of that power doesn't mean anything if you can't get signal.

I just switched from Verizon because I wanted the GS2 really bad.
I live in Seattle and Sprint has good coverage here so I'm pretty happy. (i've had Sprint in the past as well)
You can always switch and test drive Sprint for 14 days (or maybe it's 30) and if you don't like it, return to Verizon. No big deal.
PS: I had the Droid Bionic for a few days before switching to Sprint. Honestly, I think the GS2 is simply better in every way. That's just my opinion. Couldn't deal with the Pentile display and the camera was quite a disappointment.

If the service is good in the area then go for it. Of not I wouldn't change. If I could do it all over again I would have switched to vz before they started the data caps.
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I switched about 6 years ago and never looked back. I had voice and data with them for over 10 years, back in the Bell Mobile days. They kicked me off of a BroadbandAccess for using too much data claiming I HAD to have violated the ToS (P2P, video streaming, web hosting) by using over 5GB in a month. Really, that is only 150MB a day and that goes very quickly with just web and e-mail if you use it daily. I work on the road a LOT so naturally, I went over this regularly. I had to explain what I do and that I did NOT violate the ToS, which said NOTHING about 5GB. I didn't do any of the activities it stated. This was back when everything was unlimited with no fine print. They didn't charge an ETF and asked if I wanted to reactivate the account. I declined and moved to Sprint and eventually took voice too. Have been very happy since.
I still consider Sprint to be the best value in wireless. It always seemed that VZW nickle and dime'd me to death. My bill fluctuated month to month by $20 with no changes in service and additional fees. Just "taxes". They charged for web order shipping, activation, and everything they could have.

I forgot to mention I have unlimited data

Bigjim1488 said:
If the service is good in the area then go for it. Of not I wouldn't change. If I could do it all over again I would have switched to vz before they started the data caps.
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I wouldn't have switched. As stated below I was on them with true unlimited before they started the caps. Then they terminated the account and offered to reactivate, probably to instate a cap on me. I suspect the same would have happened to you.
When I switched data to Sprint, I asked if they had unlimited data and bandwidth, and got multiple confirmations (with chat transcripts) that it was 100% unlimited. They introduced the 5GB limit a year or two later. And, since I haven't renewed the contract or accepted any new modems on that line, it today is still unlimited and I use 8-10GB (sometimes more) monthly. They've called and tried to get me to renew, which would activate 4G but put a cap on 3G... and I've declined. Until 4G is everywhere I need on the road, I can't do it.
Phones are still unlimited, so I wonder if a cheap phone to tether with an unlimited plan is worth it for tethering only?? Just a thought.

I don't need a phone to tether, just need a bad ass phone that looks great, feels super fast and has great battery life. I also want a great looking display and widgets that are good for social media.

daneurysm said:
Pick your provider FIRST, then pick your device.
As stated be sure to not just check a coverage map but to check with friends and coworkers who have Sprint and live/commute/work in your area.
I've traveled the country a little and I have never been without Sprint coverage except in two tiny holes in my home town...where not a single provider has anything but threshold levels of service out doors, indoors you get squat from any of them. These "holes", however, can be deal breakers if you happen to live and/or work in them. Coverage maps help, a little, but asking people (and looking at their signal meters) is far more precise.
As far as data speed is concerned it's a mixed bag. I came from a line of HTC devices where changing the PRL on-the-go was simple so I used the "00001.prl" a lot. This PRL, essentially, puts you on Verizon's towers, full speed 3G. I can honestly say that while Verizon's speeds tend to be far more consistent than Sprint's that even though I had the chance to get out of Sprint this month (for free) that instead of going to Big Red I used that to upgrade to the Epic Touch without hesitation...The data speeds can drag-ass in a highly congested area at times but unless it's lunch time in a 1-bar area I don't tend to dip below 500kbps and if it is later in the day (or evening) and/or in a sparsely populated area (or higher-income area, draw your own conclusions) I have seen as high as 2.7mbps...my friend lives in a low-population high income area and he may be the only Sprint subscriber for miles, lol, and they get 2.5~2.7mbps all day every day. There are also times/places where Sprint's 3G speed absolutely spanks Verizon's.
...as far as 4G goes it can be blazing fast but you probably won't ever get the signal indoors unless you are in a 4G saturated metropolitan environment. I hear lots of complaints about 4G speed but when I get connected it's always faster than my home internet (6mbps, the most you can get from residential ATT DSL around here), I have seen 15mbps too.
As far as price is concerned Sprint wins hands down especially if you consider the unlimited data and free roaming. Voice roaming is unlimited. There is a "soft" limit of 3G roaming at 300mb, but, that is a floating line. If you aren't usually roaming but happen to travel somewhere that you are forced to roam at worst they will call or send you a letter telling you that if you do it again your contract may be terminated. But as long as it doesn't happen at work or at home they are mostly forgiving...and if not? That's a free out on your contract and now you have a $500-$700 (retail) phone for trade-up or resale to go back to Verizon.
EDIT: Oh yeah, battery life. It's killer. Very very killer compared to a Moment, Hero, Evo 4G and Evo 3D this thing slaughters them all. It's hard to say since I have been using my phone more than breathing these past 2 days, but, considering that I'm very impressed....*very* impressed.
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Sprint does NOT offer unlimited roaming.....I found this out while traveling to Florida in August. When I got done with explaining the Ambiguity in their false claims it has now since changed from unlimited roaming to unlimitting roaming on their network. They are such good corporate game players(liars).
Misleading people is what I don't agree with, but they are the cheapest game in town and suffice "if" you can get a signal. That said you get 800 minutes of roaming on their unlimited plan, and what ever your land line minutes are on their lower plans is the amount of roaming you will have before you have to PAY overages. If the overages happen too much they void your contract after making you aware that their is no unlimited. Now before any one starts debating this look at the advertisements and if that doesn't clue you in call and ask what I said.
They advertised unlimited roaming until I got done with them. They had a little fine print in the back of that agreement letting unsuspecting people that went over know that there was no unlimited roaming. Then they try to collect money for it. But, I let them know that ambiguity in contract law goes to the consumer, and that we can all void our contracts based on this lil tidbit of a lie, because many of us joined because of the roaming plan when we lose their coverage, and since it was a hoax the contract was null and void. They have now changed it to read unlimited roaming on their network only. How can you roam on the very network that you reside.

eakrish said:
I currently have the droid bionic with a iPhone as my back up. Is it worth me switching to sprint to pick up the Epic touch? How's the battery life and reception with sprint compared to VZW? Right now with juice defender I get about a consistent 20 hrs actually using my phone.
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QWIKSTRIKE said:
Sprint does NOT offer unlimited roaming.....I found this out while traveling to Florida in August. When I got done with explaining the Ambiguity in their false claims it has now since changed from unlimited roaming to unlimitting roaming on their network. They are such good corporate game players(liars).
Misleading people is what I don't agree with, but they are the cheapest game in town and suffice "if" you can get a signal. That said you get 800 minutes of roaming on their unlimited plan, and what ever your land line minutes are on their lower plans is the amount of roaming you will have before you have to PAY overages. If the overages happen too much they void your contract after making you aware that their is no unlimited. Now before any one starts debating this look at the advertisements and if that doesn't clue you in call and ask what I said.
They advertised unlimited roaming until I got done with them. They had a little fine print in the back of that agreement letting unsuspecting people that went over know that there was no unlimited roaming. Then they try to collect money for it. But, I let them know that ambiguity in contract law goes to the consumer, and that we can all void our contracts based on this lil tidbit of a lie, because many of us joined because of the roaming plan when we lose their coverage, and since it was a hoax the contract was null and void. They have now changed it to read unlimited roaming on their network only. How can you roam on the very network that you reside.
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Roaming on their network!? I'm trying really hard to find some way to make sense out of that... my legalese-to-english converter is usually pretty good but I just can't....wrap my....anything around that.

daneurysm said:
Pick your provider FIRST, then pick your device.
As stated be sure to not just check a coverage map but to check with friends and coworkers who have Sprint and live/commute/work in your area.
I've traveled the country a little and I have never been without Sprint coverage except in two tiny holes in my home town...where not a single provider has anything but threshold levels of service out doors, indoors you get squat from any of them. These "holes", however, can be deal breakers if you happen to live and/or work in them. Coverage maps help, a little, but asking people (and looking at their signal meters) is far more precise.
As far as data speed is concerned it's a mixed bag. I came from a line of HTC devices where changing the PRL on-the-go was simple so I used the "00001.prl" a lot. This PRL, essentially, puts you on Verizon's towers, full speed 3G. I can honestly say that while Verizon's speeds tend to be far more consistent than Sprint's that even though I had the chance to get out of Sprint this month (for free) that instead of going to Big Red I used that to upgrade to the Epic Touch without hesitation...The data speeds can drag-ass in a highly congested area at times but unless it's lunch time in a 1-bar area I don't tend to dip below 500kbps and if it is later in the day (or evening) and/or in a sparsely populated area (or higher-income area, draw your own conclusions) I have seen as high as 2.7mbps...my friend lives in a low-population high income area and he may be the only Sprint subscriber for miles, lol, and they get 2.5~2.7mbps all day every day. There are also times/places where Sprint's 3G speed absolutely spanks Verizon's.
...as far as 4G goes it can be blazing fast but you probably won't ever get the signal indoors unless you are in a 4G saturated metropolitan environment. I hear lots of complaints about 4G speed but when I get connected it's always faster than my home internet (6mbps, the most you can get from residential ATT DSL around here), I have seen 15mbps too.
As far as price is concerned Sprint wins hands down especially if you consider the unlimited data and free roaming. Voice roaming is unlimited. There is a "soft" limit of 3G roaming at 300mb, but, that is a floating line. If you aren't usually roaming but happen to travel somewhere that you are forced to roam at worst they will call or send you a letter telling you that if you do it again your contract may be terminated. But as long as it doesn't happen at work or at home they are mostly forgiving...and if not? That's a free out on your contract and now you have a $500-$700 (retail) phone for trade-up or resale to go back to Verizon.
EDIT: Oh yeah, battery life. It's killer. Very very killer compared to a Moment, Hero, Evo 4G and Evo 3D this thing slaughters them all. It's hard to say since I have been using my phone more than breathing these past 2 days, but, considering that I'm very impressed....*very* impressed.
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Agreed. Carrier first. A phone shouldn't really be a reason to switch, although this phone is pretty awesome.
Sprint has been AWESOME in nearly all areas. They seem better than VZW for me in rural areas. I live in the middle of nowhere and have EXCELLENT EVDOrA signal.
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eakrish said:
I don't need a phone to tether, just need a bad ass phone that looks great, feels super fast and has great battery life. I also want a great looking display and widgets that are good for social media.
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Verizon has plenty of phones in that department.. and nearly any Android phone would fill those needs. If you want the best Android phone available right now, this is it.

Also you may want to keep an eye out for the sprint network meeting October 7th. They are going to talk about this new thing called "network vision".
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I switched on Friday and I'm already starting to regret it - I haven't seen a 3G download speed higher than around 90kbps here. The phone is absolutely amazing on wifi and I love the device itself, but out around town it's pretty bad. I tried to download a 2MB or so app at a restaurant where I had a full 5 bars of signal last night and it was still trying to download 15+ minutes later because of how slow the actual download rate was. It's worse than a dial-up modem at time.
I wasn't even thinking about the unlimited data on VZW when I did it too - did I lose that now even if I do a winback?

TabsAZ said:
I switched on Friday and I'm already starting to regret it - I haven't seen a 3G download speed higher than around 90kbps here. The phone is absolutely amazing on wifi and I love the device itself, but out around town it's pretty bad. I tried to download a 2MB or so app at a restaurant where I had a full 5 bars of signal last night and it was still trying to download 15+ minutes later because of how slow the actual download rate was. It's worse than a dial-up modem at time.
I wasn't even thinking about the unlimited data on VZW when I did it too - did I lose that now even if I do a winback?
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I think they are doing something for the launch of the iPHONE. It was never this slow until recently. It had better go back to how it was or I will ditch their asses

TabsAZ said:
I switched on Friday and I'm already starting to regret it - I haven't seen a 3G download speed higher than around 90kbps here. The phone is absolutely amazing on wifi and I love the device itself, but out around town it's pretty bad. I tried to download a 2MB or so app at a restaurant where I had a full 5 bars of signal last night and it was still trying to download 15+ minutes later because of how slow the actual download rate was. It's worse than a dial-up modem at time.
I wasn't even thinking about the unlimited data on VZW when I did it too - did I lose that now even if I do a winback?
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Did you investigate Sprint coverage before you switched? What is signal strength like? Are you metering 90 kbps with SpeedTest app, tethering, or a program like DU Meter?
I'm guessing your PRL is up to date..
I'd also make sure you don't have any background apps downloading stuff.
Also, are you saying 90 kilo-bytes per second or 90 kilo-bits per second. 90 kilo-bytes is almost 1Mbps, and is a low-side average for 3G. That could also vary by network congestion, etc.
90 kilo-bits sounds like 1xRTT and not EVDO.
I'd also check with other users, or try a mobile broadband card if you can.
You will lose unlimited from VZW if you go back, but like I posted earlier, I am surprised they didn't terminate you to get you on limited like they did me.

Can stay with sprint or leave in april, what to do?

So my contract is up in April, or I can upgrade to a newer phone (maybe if the Galaxy Nexus is available by then I would get that). But what should I do?
I currently have a sprint airave at my house so signal isn't a big issue, although today our internet went down for a couple hours and on my stock prl I couldn't even get a data connection, and using a verizon roaming prl which was stuck in 1x I got around .15mbs down.
But my question is this;
I've heard that sprint is "doing tower upgrades" and they will start to rollout LTE sometime before the end of the year. But verizon already has LTE in my area (super fast..around 20mbs down) But I would have to pay more, and I would be capped. But what does having "truely unlimited data" mean if you can't even get a data connection?.
Is what sprint is doing with their network even worth it?, Or should I just say bye?. I've heard rumors that sprint is moving towards having some kind of a data cap anyways.

Sprint is in fact doing tower upgrades. They have been working hard in the area i live in particular and i have noticed data speed increases. I work at a place that offers sprint, att, and verizon services. We have a sprint Representative that visits about once a week or so and has been pretty open with us about upcoming changes in the past. Through today, i have yet to hear about a data cap, however did hear about their premium data pack that is required may* go up to $15 and other plans may go up as well, to help "cover costs" of the unlimited data. Sprint is cheaper when going to unlimited data, texts, and such. Based off the plans available where i work, switching to Verizon for similar service (except LTE) would cost around $10-$15 more plus tax's, fees, ect.. plus the initial $35 activation fee (assuming you only have 1 line?)

I've been trying to figure out the same thing, upgrade should be available in March/April and whether to upgrade, wait for newer phones or jump ship. I was getting really bad speeds but recent upgrades in my area have made things a lot better.

tempe38 said:
I've been trying to figure out the same thing, upgrade should be available in March/April and whether to upgrade, wait for newer phones or jump ship. I was getting really bad speeds but recent upgrades in my area have made things a lot better.
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Yeah I looked on that network map and they have done a "data capacity" upgrade, but a data speed upgrade is "within next 6 months"
I have an at&t phone for work and the coverage is really good, and I have a verizon LTE card for internet at work and that is around 20mbps. My sprint phone (at home, WITHOUT the airave on) gets around .05mpbs down, if I can even get a data connection. Which I am really glad sprint gave me the airave, but its basically just VOIP. If they really wanted to help out you'd think they would've offered something that didnt require your internet connection...kinda like those wilson electronic antennas.

I too am thinking about the same thing. My contract is up in April, and 3g speeds in my area have been HORRIBLE the past year, I haven't gotten above 100kbps on sprint's 3g in over a year. Completely unusable at times.
I would love to switch to verizon, as their 3g works great (about 1500-2000kbps) and the 4g is amazing (at least 20mbps down in my area). However, I have the same dilemma as you. If I had access to those kind of speeds, I could actually do things that I want to, like stream live tv while at work. However, I have ran the numbers, and even with the 10gb data cap, I would go over that every month.
So to me, it's just not worth paying 80 bucks a month just for data if I am going to have to keep worrying about going over the cap. Luckily, I have the Verizon prl which I an switch to once in a while to actually get decent data speeds. I wil ljust have to live with that until sprint gets lte up and running.

ronartest2005 said:
So my contract is up in April, or I can upgrade to a newer phone (maybe if the Galaxy Nexus is available by then I would get that). But what should I do?
I currently have a sprint airave at my house so signal isn't a big issue, although today our internet went down for a couple hours and on my stock prl I couldn't even get a data connection, and using a verizon roaming prl which was stuck in 1x I got around .15mbs down.
But my question is this;
I've heard that sprint is "doing tower upgrades" and they will start to rollout LTE sometime before the end of the year. But verizon already has LTE in my area (super fast..around 20mbs down) But I would have to pay more, and I would be capped. But what does having "truely unlimited data" mean if you can't even get a data connection?.
Is what sprint is doing with their network even worth it?, Or should I just say bye?. I've heard rumors that sprint is moving towards having some kind of a data cap anyways.
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One thing to remember about data... as long as you don't change your plan they have to let you keep it. think of it in terms of your minutes. plans are always changing and often a year or so after they offer a plan, they no longer offer that same plan, but you get to keep it as long as you never change.and from my understnading if you are a current customer you would be grandfathered in... i have a buddy that has verizon and has had for years. He had an unlimited plan and now that verizon offers no unlimited plan he STILL has unlimited data.

The rumors of capped data on sprint are just that- rumors, sprint has no plans of capping data whatsoever they will throttle the top 1% but that is a rediculous amount of data on my bill we have 4 phones and an data card, we average 200gb of data a month and I've talked to many csr's at sprint who have told me that is pretty average data use for a family with multiple lines. The last person I talked to was the executive Rep for my dads office and he said to be throttled you need to consistently use 500+gb on a single line and then they will only throttle you .5mbps during peak time

I find it weird that everyone is being told that the upgrades are expected on April (I live in Houston). I was told that but then I was also informed that that can not be certain. I waited for over a year to wait for Sprint's improvements which never came. I know it is more money with Verizon I have real good data speeds. I kind wish I would have left to verizon hen they still offered unlimited. Like i said in another post that happens when you put your faith on sprint.
I think it is likely that sprint will be capped as well in the future. If you have unlimited they will most likely let you keep it. Also i don't know who told the above person that 200GB is average for a a family. That is a lot of data. But if you do use that much i guess you must have real good speeds. I guess nobody can really tell you if you should jump the ship since it all depends on your service area. If sprint sucks in your area then it really doesn't matter that another person has great service. For me service was bad so i saw no point in staying with sprint. With Verizon the lowest i have got is 5mbs and that is with low signal. The only thing i do not like with Verizon is that it seems that they charge more for monthly fees. They thing that you should consider is coverage, if you travel like me then Verizon might be worth it as it does have better national coverage.

eljefe18 said:
I find it weird that everyone is being told that the upgrades are expected on April (I live in Houston). I was told that but then I was also informed that that can not be certain. I waited for over a year to wait for Sprint's improvements which never came. I know it is more money with Verizon I have real good data speeds. I kind wish I would have left to verizon hen they still offered unlimited. Like i said in another post that happens when you put your faith on sprint.
I think it is likely that sprint will be capped as well in the future. If you have unlimited they will most likely let you keep it. Also i don't know who told the above person that 200GB is average for a a family. That is a lot of data. But if you do use that much i guess you must have real good speeds. I guess nobody can really tell you if you should jump the ship since it all depends on your service area. If sprint sucks in your area then it really doesn't matter that another person has great service. For me service was bad so i saw no point in staying with sprint. With Verizon the lowest i have got is 5mbs and that is with low signal. The only thing i do not like with Verizon is that it seems that they charge more for monthly fees. They thing that you should consider is coverage, if you travel like me then Verizon might be worth it as it does have better national coverage.
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Multiple csr's have told me that is average for family's with 3+ lines the guys in my dads office use about 100gb a month on their lines alone not including their family's lines his company has over 2000 employees in his office over 60,000 in 28 states all have sprint lines for them and their families as they get a ~60% employee discount for 4 unlimited android lines and a 12gb data card we pay ~ 135 with taxes with out the discount it would be ~320

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Multiple csr's have told me that is average for family's with 3+ lines the guys in my dads office use about 100gb a month on their lines alone not including their family's lines his company has over 2000 employees in his office over 60,000 in 28 states all have sprint lines for them and their families as they get a ~60% employee discount for 4 unlimited android lines and a 12gb data card we pay ~ 135 with taxes with out the discount it would be ~320
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Don't get me wrong If you are able to use that much that is great. I was never able to get more than 3gb and not because i didn't want to but because for me data speeds were so poor that I really couldn't do much.

eljefe18 said:
Don't get me wrong If you are able to use that much that is great. I was never able to get more than 3gb and not because i didn't want to but because for me data speeds were so poor that I really couldn't do much.
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I average 1mbps down on peak and 2.5 off peak plus I was grandfathered in on unlimited tethering and where we live its dialup satellite or 3g no cable no DSL and no fiber :-( when I was on fios in Tampa I'd eat data like a fat kid eats cake 200gb is low usage for me compared to being on 50mbps fiber I think when I had fios I used data just to use it lol I live in a sparsely populated area and have no issue getting true 3g speeds, we don't get wimax here so that sucks I've only got to use the 4g a handful of times so far which really wasn't all that impressive to me, my dad and I are data hogs tho he uses alot of data for work and he flashes a new rom about everytime I turn around, I used alot of data for work as well and alot for play, we both stream a lot of music and movies and download tons of apps and crap just to play with don't even use probably a 1/4 of the apps we download we are both tinkerers and both have 2 phones, which makes it fairly easy to eat up some data I never really realized how much we used til we actually looked at the usage one month then kept checking to see if we always use that much. I'm not sure but we have something called a preferred buisness prl which may be why our speeds are high even in the city its a perk of having our plan through his work I guess sprint gives a company that spends that kind of money with them a special access to maintain good speeds as everyone he works with gets pretty good average speeds I'm sure they don't want to lose that contract lol I know I wouldn't if I were them
Edit: I was just looking at PRLs it appears the PRL we have is designated for EVDO/Wimax mobile broadband devices with voice service maybe that's y the data is fairly consistent? It is PRL 60750 or 60705 I can't remember for sure it shows up in sense but on aosp(which I'm on) it just shows a blank space where the PRL numbers should be which may be my fault since I built the rom I'm on I may have errored a line of code. Weird, I'm gonna have to check the source when I'm working on the next build, the 607xx PRLs are apparently designated for mobile broadband from what I could find

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I find it weird that everyone is being told that the upgrades are expected on April
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I don't know about the others but I was referring to when I can upgrade my phone, not to network upgrades.

Network upgrades are pretty random, I'm not sure with lte but I think they will just activate sprints spectrum on existing hardware making the rollout pretty fast as they wont need to install hardware just make a few adjustments to existing hardware. That's what they did with clear and wimax but clear kind of hit a wall and stopped expanding although now clear has some rather large expansions planned which is why I believe sprint is continuing to support wimax for the next few years atleast, if clear really rolls out alot of.coverage sprint could end up supporting both 4g formats for the foreseeable future giving them a huge edge over the competition
We are legion, for we are many.

I still think Sprint has the best all in one plan with the best price. In my experience data speeds have always been acceptable. My contract is up in May and I see myself staying with Sprint.

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Network upgrades are pretty random, I'm not sure with lte but I think they will just activate sprints spectrum on existing hardware making the rollout pretty fast as they wont need to install hardware just make a few adjustments to existing hardware. That's what they did with clear and wimax but clear kind of hit a wall and stopped expanding although now clear has some rather large expansions planned which is why I believe sprint is continuing to support wimax for the next few years atleast, if clear really rolls out alot of.coverage sprint could end up supporting both 4g formats for the foreseeable future giving them a huge edge over the competition
We are legion, for we are many.
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Clear is moving towards LTE
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Clear is pushing wimax pretty hard in the Tampa area they send out flyers atleast once a week offering unlimited 4g mobile broadband where my mom lives they actually have the best 4g coverage of anywhere I've had access to wimax
We are legion, for we are many.

I know this is old but I did switch to verizon. I took over someones unlimited data account. I have LTE coverage everywhere I go now.
I recently pulled down 40mbs on LTE.
It is a bit pricey, but it is so nice being able to use a data connection. I am NOT saying that sprint is all around a bad cell provider, but in my area they are awful.

ronartest2005 said:
I know this is old but I did switch to verizon. I took over someones unlimited data account. I have LTE coverage everywhere I go now.
I recently pulled down 40mbs on LTE.
It is a bit pricey, but it is so nice being able to use a data connection. I am NOT saying that sprint is all around a bad cell provider, but in my area they are awful.
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Hey at the end of the day you have to do whats best for you and honestly I do not think I will be under contract again with anyone. Especially not with all these companies offering unlimited everything for half the price and all using 4g LTE.
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Sprint Signal Strength

Do you have worse data signal reception (and use) with Sprint vs. Verizon indoors?
More often than not, inside a store or restaurant in an 'excellent coverage' area, Sprint's data network is not usable (connection timeouts) where as surfing on Verizon is no problem.
I suspect a combination of Sprint Rev A and possibly cell density / Sprint using lower signal strength.
I didn't get a lot of response in the top Networking thread, so I thought I would post with fellow Sprint/ Evo 4G users.
other sim thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1501051

Hey,
It all comes down to you get what you pay for, sprint has amazing phones with ok at best service sorry if anyone takes offence but its true. When on big red you are paying a lot but you get good phones and strong service its just how it is sadly. Sometimes I have great data in stores others I dont it just depends on the cell tower and how the building is built, but like I said it just comes down to you get what you pay for!
Stevo

While you would think the signal would be similar, since both Sprint and Verizon are CDMA, it's not.
On sprint, there is a tower less than 2 blocks from my house. Outside I get full bars, but the second I step inside my house, I get knocked down to 1 bar. Using the Verizon PRL, I also get full bars outside, but when I step inside, I only lose one bar, and get 5/6 bars consistently. The same thing happens at a few restaurants around town, sprint gets 0 bars inside, but almost full bars as soon as I step outside, but with verizon, the signal stays the same in and out.

Thanks guys. This is exactly my issue. For some reason, in larger market cities, this is less of a problem.
I wish I could find a technical reason. There seems to be a discrepancy too in the quality of data signal with sprint's own towers.
And I don't buy in to the 'you get what you pay for'. My wife and I pay $1800 a year for 'unlimited everything and the first 4G network with enhanced devices that connect to high speed data'

I hope this isn't out of context but it seemed to be the most relavent thread for my issue.
Typically I haven't had many issues with my Sprint server (I'm in the Denver metro area) however over the last few days every call I get on the end voice is choppy, and eventually will cut out. When monitoring my signal it will jump from 3 or 5 bars to zero and then back up again.
I do have a rooted phone, however the ROM I'm using has the stock kernel and the most up to date radio.
I guess my question is, has anyone experienced any issues like this over the past few days? Is it possible that I'm having a hardware issue and need to un-root my phone and take it to the sprint store?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'm not quite sure how to start the problem solving process. Thanks!

IrideAgro said:
Thanks guys. This is exactly my issue. For some reason, in larger market cities, this is less of a problem.
I wish I could find a technical reason. There seems to be a discrepancy too in the quality of data signal with sprint's own towers.
And I don't buy in to the 'you get what you pay for'. My wife and I pay $1800 a year for 'unlimited everything and the first 4G network with enhanced devices that connect to high speed data'
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Thats a lot for that plan. I use to have and switched to the $70 one due to the fact that I barely call land lines anymore. You might want to look into the other plans to save some money.
Now as far as the signal problem...it really depends on the phone, freq, rom, area and the building. I dont have the problems that you have..in face ppl with vw have that problem around me.

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Thats a lot for that plan. I use to have and switched to the $70 one due to the fact that I barely call land lines anymore. You might want to look into the other plans to save some money.
Now as far as the signal problem...it really depends on the phone, freq, rom, area and the building. I dont have the problems that you have..in face ppl with vw have that problem around me.
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Um, Lets see, Family unlimited plan with two Evos (+$20) - with a discount on the line. Use to be under $130/month, now it is at $146/month. So not sure what you are talking about regarding price.
Regarding your signal response, I was looking for something actually technical and informative.

IrideAgro said:
Um, Lets see, Family unlimited plan with two Evos (+$20) - with a discount on the line. Use to be under $130/month, now it is at $146/month. So not sure what you are talking about regarding price.
Regarding your signal response, I was looking for something actually technical and informative.
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Sounds about right Iride. We have a family unlimited plan here as well with an Evo and an iPhone 4s and I think we're somewhere in the $160 range with insurance and everything.
On the technical side I've posted a few times in other threads pertaining to the same issue but haven't heard back.
It seems my service is now only sporadic at home, but I can't confirm that fully just yet. I was downtown (Denver) using my phone yesterday and it seemed just fine, however when I returned home any call I made immediately had a sporadic choppy voice. This is strange to me as I've never had bad signal here until now. That's over 2+ years of living in this same apartment.
Maybe this is something on Sprint's end. This may be a silly question, but when calling for tech support, they can't tell if you've rooted your phone or not right? It would only be if you took it in to get serviced without unrooting?
Hope to figure out something soon...

[Q] Class Action Suit

OK, calm down, I'm just asking! Has anyone heard of ANYONE involving themselves in a class action lawsuit against Sprint due to the next to non-existant Data that we pay a pretty penny for? It's ridiculous that we have to pay at least $30 for 4G data when most of us can't even get 3G data. My 3G data is approximately anywhere from 0.12 Mg to 0.3 Mg. And I can't even begin to get 4G data. Even the carrot of Unlimited data is nothing when data speeds are THAT sad. And I've tried 3G all over town (Louisville, KY). At least I get SOMETHING for 3G speeds. For 4G I get NOTHING. How can Sprint legally do this to us? Isn't that false advertising? They promised 3G and 4G data speeds and deliver NEITHER. Once people start dropping Sprint due to their pathetic data speeds, they may upgrade their service. I've read that alot of users keep Sprint as their provider strictly because of their unlimited data. So if they stopped unlimited data they would lose even more subscribers. Any lawyer types out there care to give their opinions?

Dude just switch carriers, no one is forcing you to stay with them unless you have a contract. Its not like every single one has no data connection, some has and some don't. So for others that has no clear connection should just switch. Just my opinion. Seems more of a hassle taking it to court or whatever. Im not against you ok, its just something I would do.

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OK, calm down, I'm just asking! Has anyone heard of ANYONE involving themselves in a class action lawsuit against Sprint due to the next to non-existant Data that we pay a pretty penny for? It's ridiculous that we have to pay at least $30 for 4G data when most of us can't even get 3G data. My 3G data is approximately anywhere from 0.12 Mg to 0.3 Mg. And I can't even begin to get 4G data. Even the carrot of Unlimited data is nothing when data speeds are THAT sad. And I've tried 3G all over town (Louisville, KY). At least I get SOMETHING for 3G speeds. For 4G I get NOTHING. How can Sprint legally do this to us? Isn't that false advertising? They promised 3G and 4G data speeds and deliver NEITHER. Once people start dropping Sprint due to their pathetic data speeds, they may upgrade their service. I've read that alot of users keep Sprint as their provider strictly because of their unlimited data. So if they stopped unlimited data they would lose even more subscribers. Any lawyer types out there care to give their opinions?
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They always say subject to signal strength and availability. I hate these threads...

Is it stated anywhere in writing that the extra charge is for the 4G? We all know that it IS but that does not help a legal case.
Welcome to the United States of Litigation!

sol_671 said:
Dude just switch carriers, no one is forcing you to stay with them unless you have a contract. Its not like every single one has no data connection, some has and some don't. So for others that has no clear connection should just switch. Just my opinion. Seems more of a hassle taking it to court or whatever. Im not against you ok, its just something I would do.
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Dude, Sprint is forcing me to stay with them by contract. I still have roughly 1.5 years under contract with them. I got my first smartphone with Verizon. 3G, was in fact, 3G. I was puzzled when I went to Sprint and their signals were so weak. I'm sorry but I seem to be wasting my time telling you about my problems. Because you seem to be a Sprint minion. Maybe not, but I feel anyone that is on the side of Sprint is against me. I guess I feel like Sprint should charge users that have such terrible signals less than users that live in a signal-rich environment. I only ask for what I'm paying for. To switch now would cost me several hundred dollars. You've heard of this concept called "fair"? Well I don't think it's "fair" to have to pay the same fees as users who are getting exactly what they pay for. Would you think it was "fair" to be under a lunch contract where you and others paid for the same sandwich, but others got their sandwich piled high but you only got a skimpy sandwich? I don't think so. Fair is fair. And people like me are not being fairly treated.

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Is it stated anywhere in writing that the extra charge is for the 4G? We all know that it IS but that does not help a legal case.
Welcome to the United States of Litigation!
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robbyr,
If you think WE can figure that out don't you think a lawyer can bring that out too?

I agree with you but a class action would likely never never fly in court since they guarantee nothing. I was on Tmobile for years before Sprint and their signal and speeds were rock solid. But boy meets girl and girl wants boy on family plan so Im on Sprint for the last 2+ years and the last 6 months have been the worst. My city is getting their network vision update now so I hope thats the problem. In the meantime when my signal is poo I update profile and it picks up a bit. I shouldn't have to do this though.

If you have horrible service, get an Airave in your house. It'll be like a tower in your living room or wherever you have your high speed modem, if you gave one.
And just because someone doesn't want to jump on Sprint and their speeds doesn't mean that they're against you, it's just that they're willing to deal with the situation for now. Besides this is all temporary.
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All a class action suit will do is make Sprint poorer, make the lawyers rich, and likely change nothing. And you might get a check for 3 dollars or so...

been down that road, for most people its more headaches than anything. and anyone who says it isn't just didn't realize they sometimes miss a text or call. plus if they don't give it to u free then u gotta pay for it and its not expensive but not at all cheap. in all honesty it helps your signal so ur not dropping calls but it really isn't doing anything for speed issues, it bumped my 3g speed from about 350kbps to about to about 650kbps..almost like turbo for 3g lol.
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ojones838 said:
OK, calm down, I'm just asking! Has anyone heard of ANYONE involving themselves in a class action lawsuit against Sprint due to the next to non-existant Data that we pay a pretty penny for? It's ridiculous that we have to pay at least $30 for 4G data when most of us can't even get 3G data. My 3G data is approximately anywhere from 0.12 Mg to 0.3 Mg. And I can't even begin to get 4G data. Even the carrot of Unlimited data is nothing when data speeds are THAT sad. And I've tried 3G all over town (Louisville, KY). At least I get SOMETHING for 3G speeds. For 4G I get NOTHING. How can Sprint legally do this to us? Isn't that false advertising? They promised 3G and 4G data speeds and deliver NEITHER. Once people start dropping Sprint due to their pathetic data speeds, they may upgrade their service. I've read that alot of users keep Sprint as their provider strictly because of their unlimited data. So if they stopped unlimited data they would lose even more subscribers. Any lawyer types out there care to give their opinions?
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Where are you getting that you pay "at least 30$ a month for 4g data". The only additional data charge there is is on all smartphones, and it's only 10 bucks more a month than if you had data on a flip phone. And that 10$ is on all smartphones, so it wouldn't matter if you bought the new EVO LTE or the basic Motorola XPRT, you are paying the same price. There is no additional charge for 4g.
As to your statement "Once people start dropping Sprint due to their pathetic data speeds, they may upgrade their service."... Sprint is fixing the network. Without people dropping. Read here:
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
A little snippet I would like to point out: "Sprint expects its 4G coverage footprint to cover 250 million people when the build-out is completed by the end of 2013"
Sprint is working an intensely aggressive schedule to rebuild the ENTIRE NETWORK in 3 years, increasing 3g data coverage, and putting LTE everywhere 3g is. Major cities are first on the docket, but it will increase the network signal pretty much everywhere.
My last suggestion is to read through your TOS at some point. They do not guarantee or promise 3g or 4g data anywhere, and do state that it is subject to availability in your area.
I am tired of seeing this thread pop up over and over again.

You signed a contract giving up the right to seek class action status when you agreed to the ToS.
You can remedy your situation (according to contract) by arbitration, small claims, or complaining to regulators.

ojones838 said:
Dude, Sprint is forcing me to stay with them by contract. I still have roughly 1.5 years under contract with them. I got my first smartphone with Verizon. 3G, was in fact, 3G. I was puzzled when I went to Sprint and their signals were so weak. I'm sorry but I seem to be wasting my time telling you about my problems. Because you seem to be a Sprint minion. Maybe not, but I feel anyone that is on the side of Sprint is against me. I guess I feel like Sprint should charge users that have such terrible signals less than users that live in a signal-rich environment. I only ask for what I'm paying for. To switch now would cost me several hundred dollars. You've heard of this concept called "fair"? Well I don't think it's "fair" to have to pay the same fees as users who are getting exactly what they pay for. Would you think it was "fair" to be under a lunch contract where you and others paid for the same sandwich, but others got their sandwich piled high but you only got a skimpy sandwich? I don't think so. Fair is fair. And people like me are not being fairly treated.
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You were puzzled to see Sprint's weak signals yet you stayed with them? You had 15 days to test the network and decide if you wanted to stay or not. You and only you made that decision to stay with Sprint and sign the 2 year deal and now you are *****ing about it? I have no sympathy for you nor should anybody else.

lickarock,
I am tired of seeing this thread pop up over and over again.
Why do you constantly read it?
tgruendler,
I'm sorry, no one asked you for sympathy...

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akamara13,
What exactly do you mean all this is temporary?

tgruendler said:
You were puzzled to see Sprint's weak signals yet you stayed with them? You had 15 days to test the network and decide if you wanted to stay or not. You and only you made that decision to stay with Sprint and sign the 2 year deal and now you are *****ing about it? I have no sympathy for you nor should anybody else.
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I didn't have 15 days to test the network. As you can see, I get to Sprint through Credomobile. Also I didn't SIGN a 2 year deal as all my account dealings were done over the 'net. Also since when does anyone not experiment with a new device and just give up without trying to get it to work within 2 weeks? Even most stores give you 30 days. Whew! Just blowing off steam. No need to reply to this...

Ojones 838 have you thought about putting a verison prl on your phone all that roaming and sprint will ask you to leave and prodadly no etf.
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lickarock said:
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
A little snippet I would like to point out: "Sprint expects its 4G coverage footprint to cover 250 million people when the build-out is completed by the end of 2013"
Sprint is working an intensely aggressive schedule to rebuild the ENTIRE NETWORK in 3 years, increasing 3g data coverage, and putting LTE everywhere 3g is. Major cities are first on the docket, but it will increase the network signal pretty much everywhere.
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I'm not saying you're wrong lickarock, I'm saying Sprint's data in the article you posted is a pipedream. I have to say "BS" on the 250 million number. That would mean that 75%+ of users would have 4G LTE coverage. Right now, Sprint doesn't even cover 75% of the users with good 3G coverage. Sprint's maps lie. I live in an "excellent" 3G area according to Sprint and get very very slow data or no data on Sprint's network.
I didn't have the option to "try" for 14 days either since I bought my phone in a different state and had it for 2 months before moving to CA. I've called several times saying "I've moved, and now my coverage is non-existent, please cancel my contract or replace my phone with one that will get a signal." Their response is "our maps show that you live in an excellent... blah blah blah". They don't care that phone calls just go to voicemail. I know of at least 7 people that have dropped Sprint and gone to AT&T or T-mobile when asking me about service and network in this area (friends and family bring their phones to me to root). Sprint is not just losing me as a customer, I'm taking another dozen or so (eventually) with me to other carriers.
-Daryel

ojones838 - I feel your pain on this, I really do. That said, a class action lawsuit isn't the way to go. Lawyers aren't the way to go for that matter. Just do what was posted above me. Use an alternate PRL and roam like no other. Sprint will kick you off without an ETF and you can switch carriers.
I too should have left within the 15 days but like a lot of others I didn't. The speeds were kind of ok in the beginning and I figured they would get better as Sprint upgraded their towers. That didn't happen. I'd heard even before switching to Sprint that the speeds were crap but I thought "really, how bad can they honestly be". Boy was I wrong...
So now I'm stuck paying for data that I don't have (thank you false advertising) unless I turn on WiMax "4G" and even that is slower than EVERY other carriers 3G. Sprint advertised specific speeds - which I've yet to see. So use another PRL and get out of the contract. That's what I'm doing at least.

Sprint/Softbank deal has someone upset

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Starts-Whining-About-Sprint-SoftBank-Deal-121688

AT&T tried to do worse and buy out T-Mobile, which would have created a GSM monopoly. AT&T is only mad cause it would lower sprints prices, forcing them to lower theirs. This is awesome for the consumer, seeing as the prices have only been skyrocketing.
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I don't think AT&T were whining at all. They never once said the deal would be negative. They said it would change the competitive nature of the wireless marketplace. Basically, they're telling the regulators to start being more lenient for the entire industry, including them. They're saying that there's no more risk of any monopolies now that a third competitor is gaining ground.
This wasn't a jab at the Sprint deal. It was a jab at the regulators. They want to get the FCC off their backs next time they want to buy spectrum or another company. This letter was very carefully worded to send that exact message; no more, no less.

ATT needs to stfu and start putting money into their network. even their DSL infrastructure sucks and outdated. their wireless network may survive but their days as a local telco and ISP are numbered. i remember years ago having to pay around $45 for basic phone service and each additional feature was extra.. $6 for callerid, $4 for call waiting, and didn't even include any long distance calling. A couple years later comcast added digital phone via cable lines for $39/mo. includes unlimited nationwide long distance, and every single calling feature included.
after switching ATT, they started sending us letters begging us to come back. they finally realized they lost the monopoly they once had and started lowering their prices, but they still haven't put a dime into improving their network. heck, you can't even get ATT uverse here and their main CO is only a couple miles away!
this is why i give Sprint a lot of credit. sure they might have some issues, but at least they don't sit on their ass waiting for money to fall from the sky.

tft;33024684
this is why i give Sprint a lot of credit. sure they might have some issues said:
Yea, which is why only 10 people have LTE right now, with 10 more people to be added by next year.:good:
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Yea, which is why only 10 people have LTE right now, with 10 more people to be added by next year.:good:
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before LTE sprint was already dumping money into 4G before any other carrier (WiMAX/Clearwire) IIRC they started building out Wimax in 2008 or earlier. the problem came when they decided to switch LTE technology, basically they started from scratch again. most think the reason for the switch was marketing and they didn't want to be the only WiMax "odd-ball". if it wasn't for this switch they would of had the most 4G coverage out of all the carriers.
anyway, once sprint fully rolls out LTE and LTE advanced using overlapping 800Mhz antennas,etc. and eliminating a lot of dead spots, they will have the most coverage compared to the rest.. Sprint probably has more towers than vzw and ATT combined.. the key is how quick they'll get all those Nextel antennas converted to CDMA/LTE.

tft said:
ATT needs to stfu and start putting money into their network. even their DSL infrastructure sucks and outdated. their wireless network may survive but their days as a local telco and ISP are numbered. i remember years ago having to pay around $45 for basic phone service and each additional feature was extra.. $6 for callerid, $4 for call waiting, and didn't even include any long distance calling. A couple years later comcast added digital phone via cable lines for $39/mo. includes unlimited nationwide long distance, and every single calling feature included.
after switching ATT, they started sending us letters begging us to come back. they finally realized they lost the monopoly they once had and started lowering their prices, but they still haven't put a dime into improving their network. heck, you can't even get ATT uverse here and their main CO is only a couple miles away!
this is why i give Sprint a lot of credit. sure they might have some issues, but at least they don't sit on their ass waiting for money to fall from the sky.
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Their days as an ISP are far from being over. They provide backbone to most isp's out here. Comcast being one of them. AT&T won't be going any where any time soon.

Nevell said:
Their days as an ISP are far from being over. They provide backbone to most isp's out here. Comcast being one of them. AT&T won't be going any where any time soon.
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they only have that backbone because they took over BellSouth which had most of the infrastructure. while they do have a few data center and they're interconnected with many other ISPs, im almost positive they aren't a major comcast bandwidth provider.. Sprint's backbone could be bigger than AT&T's. their internet subscribers.
At least VZW competes with Comcast putting out Fiber.. and by the way, the only reason AT&T has a wireless network, is because they took over another company many years ago, not because they built it.. so yeah, ATT still sucks when it comes to network building, expanding and investing money into it. :laugh:

tft said:
they only have that backbone because they took over BellSouth which had most of the infrastructure. while they do have a few data center and they're interconnected with many other ISPs, im almost positive they aren't a major comcast bandwidth provider.. Sprint's backbone could be bigger than AT&T's. their internet subscribers.
At least VZW competes with Comcast putting out Fiber.. and by the way, the only reason AT&T has a wireless network, is because they took over another company many years ago, not because they built it.. so yeah, ATT still sucks when it comes to network building, expanding and investing money into it. :laugh:
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To add to that both verizon and att said they are done rolling out uverse and fios which i think is dumb. Both of them are stifling advanced broadband going to rural areas which is crap but i understand that if those same places can be covered by lte then why use fiber but it is sooo much more reliable and consistent than lte

I remember cingular. What att bought and merged with there network. I do feel all in all that sprint will come out on top. Yes we all are waiting but i feel in the end we will be laughing at the others
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I personally am glad to see both Sprint and t mobile looking like they are in a good position for solid growth over the next few years. Having four viable national carriers is good for the average consumer - at least I think it is a good thing.
But I can see this as both sour grapes and a ploy by AT&T. The sour grapes is obvious.
The ploy hear though is to play to what is left of the angry white guy xenophobia in this country. The Wireless spectrum in the US is looking like it is going to become the most valuable commodity ever with wireless traffic expected explode over the next five to seven years. See when Sprint takes back over clearwire they don't only hold the most wireless spectrum they hold the MOST wireless spectrum. As in if I'm not mistaken they hold as much or more than AT&T and Verizon combined.
So I'm thinking AT&T is hoping that the angry white xenophobes here will realize that the largest chunk (of what is about to become such a ridiculously valuable commodity) is about to be taken over by the Japanese. This to either put a halt to this takeover, or earn AT&T some kind of break as the government is organizing another chunk of spectrum for auction here in the next couple of years.
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dayv said:
I personally am glad to see both Sprint and t mobile looking like they are in a good position for solid growth over the next few years. Having four viable national carriers is good for the average consumer - at least I think it is a good thing.
But I can see this as both sour grapes and a ploy by AT&T. The sour grapes is obvious.
The ploy hear though is to play to what is left of the angry white guy xenophobia in this country. The Wireless spectrum in the US is looking like it is going to become the most valuable commodity ever with wireless traffic expected explode over the next five to seven years. See when Sprint takes back over clearwire they don't only hold the most wireless spectrum they hold the MOST wireless spectrum. As in if I'm not mistaken they hold as much or more than AT&T and Verizon combined.
So I'm thinking AT&T is hoping that the angry white xenophobes here will realize that the largest chunk (of what is about to become such a ridiculously valuable commodity) is about to be taken over by the Japanese. This to either put a halt to this takeover, or earn AT&T some kind of break as the government is organizing another chunk of spectrum for auction here in the next couple of years.
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They don't want to stop this deal. They want it to go through because it gives them leverage next time they want spectrum or if they happen to want to buy up another company. As it stands, they are too large compared to Sprint and T-Mobile for the FCC to just give AT&T a free ride. But if Sprint can gain more ground on AT&T and Verizon, then the FCC can't play the antitrust card like they did with the T-Mobile deal.
I don't think AT&T cares what country SoftBank is from. Both of AT&T's other main competitors are controlled by foreign interests. If anyone else really cared if a company is 100% American, Verizon wouldn't have such a large share of the market.

EndlessDissent said:
I don't think AT&T cares what country SoftBank is from. Both of AT&T's other main competitors are controlled by foreign interests. If anyone else really cared if a company is 100% American, Verizon wouldn't have such a large share of the market.
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I don't think AT&T cares what country either. But I do think AT&T aware that there are enough xenophobic national protectionist people in this country to try and play that angle to get something out of this.
And believe me the spectrum that Sprint has is going to be a huge asset come sometime around 2016 (not that it isn't a huge asset now, it is just the value of this asset is going to go way up). The spectrum carried by the other telcos is dwarfed in comparison. And this spectrum is the big reason Softbank is interested in Sprint.
Hopefully Sprint and Softbank will take this opportunity and grow Sprint 's network. The big downside for us the average consumer would be if the only thing of value they see is the spectrum and they don't do anything other than a token upgrade wait for the value of the spectrum to grow and then just sell the spectrum off in chunks.
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jbadboy2007 said:
To add to that both verizon and att said they are done rolling out uverse and fios which i think is dumb. Both of them are stifling advanced broadband going to rural areas which is crap but i understand that if those same places can be covered by lte then why use fiber but it is sooo much more reliable and consistent than lte
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They stopped because all the Cable companies Lost a huge percentage of their customers and this was the first time DirecTv has lost customers, which was a fraction of what cable lost.
US homes drop pay-TV as DirecTV, Comcast, Time Warner lose subscribers
Meanwhile, UK officials recommend eliminating broadcast TV entirely.
by Jon Brodkin - Aug 2 2012, 8:15pm EDT
Information Technology
Large numbers of US homes have dropped pay-TV services, with big losses for satellite provider DirecTV, and cable companies Time Warner and Comcast. Rounding up the latest quarterly earnings results issued by major TV providers, Reuters reported today that Comcast lost 176,000 subscribers, Time Warner lost 169,000 customers, and DirecTV lost 52,000.
While Reuters said these losses total about 400,000 American homes dropping pay-TV service since the beginning of the year, it's still a small minority. Time Warner Cable has more than 12 million customers, for example, and many customers simply switched services, as Verizon's FiOS TV and AT&T's U-verse added 275,000 subscribers in the second quarter. The second quarter is traditionally weak because of people moving before summer and college students leaving campus.
But this quarter's losses were stark for DirecTV, which lost customers for the first time ever, and for Time Warner, who lost customers for the tenth straight quarter and lost more than analysts expected. Comcast's loss of 169,000 customers was actually an improvement over previous quarters. The losses were chalked up more to the economy rather than "cord-cutters" dropping TV service entirely.

As an interesting tidbit to throw into the mix...
I was talking with my company's Sprint account rep yesterday morning, and he said a couple of interesting things about the purchase.
One of which was that there were some persistent rumors going around internally that with the cash infusion, Sprint is taking a long, hard look at US Cellular. The reason being that they have such a strong 3G footprint, all they'd have to do is update our PRL's and it would be an instant fix for Sprint's 3G network in the midwest and the northern coasts.
He also mentioned, to my dismay, that Wisconsin is (for now) practically last on the list for LTE and Network Vision and we really shouldn't expect anything until 3rd or 4th quarter next year.

Dalmus said:
As an interesting tidbit to throw into the mix...
I was talking with my company's Sprint account rep yesterday morning, and he said a couple of interesting things about the purchase.
One of which was that there were some persistent rumors going around internally that with the cash infusion, Sprint is taking a long, hard look at US Cellular. The reason being that they have such a strong 3G footprint, all they'd have to do is update our PRL's and it would be an instant fix for Sprint's 3G network in the midwest and the northern coasts.
He also mentioned, to my dismay, that Wisconsin is (for now) practically last on the list for LTE and Network Vision and we really shouldn't expect anything until 3rd or 4th quarter next year.
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As much as I hate to say this about my home state, it's understandable. US Cellular has a pretty big hold on CDMA outside Verizon. I think those two pretty much own Wisconsin in that area. I spend a lot of time there around Madison and Lake Wisconsin, so I wouldn't mind having Sprint buy them too. It would certainly help the 3G situation around here without question, and I'm saying that from the Suburbs of Chicago where NV is well underway. I read somewhere that Sprint officially announced Chicago as an upgraded market, which is great, because they've been putting LTE towers all over the place.
I'm just hoping they don't slow down the rollout around this area because while it's certainly better than it's been previously, it's not good enough yet.

JBakey said:
AT&T tried to do worse and buy out T-Mobile, which would have created a GSM monopoly. AT&T is only mad cause it would lower sprints prices, forcing them to lower theirs. This is awesome for the consumer, seeing as the prices have only been skyrocketing.
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Nice pun.

hayzooos said:
As much as I hate to say this about my home state, it's understandable. US Cellular has a pretty big hold on CDMA outside Verizon. I think those two pretty much own Wisconsin in that area. I spend a lot of time there around Madison and Lake Wisconsin, so I wouldn't mind having Sprint buy them too. It would certainly help the 3G situation around here without question, and I'm saying that from the Suburbs of Chicago where NV is well underway. I read somewhere that Sprint officially announced Chicago as an upgraded market, which is great, because they've been putting LTE towers all over the place.
I'm just hoping they don't slow down the rollout around this area because while it's certainly better than it's been previously, it's not good enough yet.
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Interesting news article yesterday that US Cellular is exiting the Chicago/Illinois market and selling those users and spectrum to Sprint. They're getting 20MHz of 1900MHz spectrum, and a little over half a million of USC's subscribers.
The odd thing is that Sprint did NOT purchase USC towers in the deal... So even though Sprint claims that the extra spectrum will improve the end-user experience, won't an extra 500,000 users on Sprint's already stressed towers cause a degradation?
I always heard that Sprint's problems were tower capacity, not spectrum crowding.

Dalmus said:
Interesting news article yesterday that US Cellular is exiting the Chicago/Illinois market and selling those users and spectrum to Sprint. They're getting 20MHz of 1900MHz spectrum, and a little over half a million of USC's subscribers.
The odd thing is that Sprint did NOT purchase USC towers in the deal... So even though Sprint claims that the extra spectrum will improve the end-user experience, won't an extra 500,000 users on Sprint's already stressed towers cause a degradation?
I always heard that Sprint's problems were tower capacity, not spectrum crowding.
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I thought I read 30 MHz. Regardless, I think the spectrum crowding and capacity problems were actually somewhat related. I'm not an expert by any means, but I believe the amount of spectrum they have dictates how they allocate tower capacity.

EndlessDissent said:
I thought I read 30 MHz. Regardless, I think the spectrum crowding and capacity problems were actually somewhat related. I'm not an expert by any means, but I believe the amount of spectrum they have dictates how they allocate tower capacity.
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We're both right. 20MHz in the Chicago market, and 10MHz in the St Louis market for a total of 30MHz.
I wonder if this was the deal that my Sprint Rep at work was referring to, or if there is something else in the works?