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Decent Freeware Route Planner for UK??

Hi guys!
Got a bit of travelling to do in the near future and am thinking of getting a route planner for my O2 XDA Exec. Want to try out a few demo's before I buy, so anyone got any advice?
As usual, many thanks! :lol:

I have been trying map24 and it is pretty good. Some of the routing seems a bit obscure though but freeware so worth a look.

Freeware Route Planner
Map 24 has recently released a PPC version. Since the maps are on their servers rather than on your device it means that you will need a decent data plan if you want to use it regularly. I suppose the upside is that it doesn't use precious memory and the maps should be up to date. It also has maps of the whole of Europe.
I've loaded it and, whilst not intuitive to use, has pretty good mapping (I think they use Navteq maps which are also used for the Copilot GPS solution). I haven't really tested, since I already have Co-pilot.
BTW, a couple of things to note - the Map 24 website is a real pig to negotiate and the software has no GPS capabilities.

Thanks guys - I'll have a look and I'll know who to blame if I find myself lost in the middle of Poland!! :roll: :roll:

Ah, I see. Travelling abroad! The roaming data charges would quickly make it completely uneconomic to use Map24. Not sure if it caches data locally though.

Mapopolis
Take a look at Mapopolis from www.mapopolis.com. They offer free trial for up to nine days, the only thing being that you will need to download individual county (read it, I don't mean country) maps and you are limited to about three per session. That said, it's a great product with a very active support community (forums hosted at www.gpspassion.com) so you may be tempted to buy after you try!
Eastern European coverage is zero to limited, so if you're lost in Poland it will be your own fault!
Hope this helps.

What's the best GPS software for Vario II (8525?)

I'm in America using a euro-purchased Vario II on T-Mobile's network. Been upgraded to Black 3.0 but thinking of re-flashing it to something better. Also want to try using GPS with this unit, though I know I need an antenna.
So, what GPS software is best for my situation, and would any particular ROM be best suited? Thanks.

Well there are a few out there. I've used 3 of them. Telenav, iNav, and TomTom6. Of the 3 tomtom is my fav by far.
I thought telenav was the best as far as voice translation goes because it says the street names aloud and does so pretty well and on time. But thats where it ends. Telenav almost never found my GPS receiver and it was the one they recommended. It updates maps as you drive via the web which is a bad idea for GPS. Hit a dead spot and you lose where to turn and get lost easily. I can't tell you how many times i wanted to throw my phone out of the window while driving with that crappy piece of software. Especially paying 10 bucks a month to have it not work.
iNav works much like tomtom but I found the voice to be rather lame and the interface poorly designed.
So on to tomtom6. Works like a charm everytime without a hitch. Simple easy and intuitive interface. Never has any issues finding my bluetooth receiver. Never. Color choice for maps for night/day driving along with other features like weather updates, traffic updates, camera locations. Map of the US and Canada takes up about 1gig. Leaves me with another gig for storage however if I moved up to a 6gig I'd still have 5 left. Couple complaints I've heard with tomtom is map load time. I didn't find this to be an issue whatsoever considering my dealings with telenav. I'd rather wait all of 30 seconds for a map to load if I know its not gunna screw up at all once its loaded. Plus you can plan trips ahead of time so load time becomes a moot point.
Thats about it. I think if you do some research you will agree with me but I know some people who post on here prefer iNav over tomtom. Hell some even like telenav. =)

thanks
I actually almost went for Telnav - I was wondering how that "update as you go" would work. Seems like the preloaded maps are more reliable. Now it's more understandable why T-Mobile doesn't offer it directly. I have tons of space left on my 2gig card so Tomtom might be the way to go.
I noticed you didn't mention Delorme Street Atlas 2008 or any of its previous editions. I was about to try that one but thought some research was in order.
Was it a pain in the ass to get the Tomtom working? Though I like my 8525, I'm always frustrated at what this unit is capable of and what I'm actually able to make it do.

Have a try to iGo ( http://www.i-go.com/en/ ), I found it far better than Tomtom (auto zoom in/out, auto 3D => 2D, ...)

iGO is for Europe only, though, right? And it looks like some of the products have been discontinued.

if u live in the us tomtom dnt even think twice about it

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iGO is for Europe only, though, right? And it looks like some of the products have been discontinued.
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Not true... I use iGo 2006 in California. It is fast and map access is automatic and fast. Delay is the least compared with tomtom. Color options are more vivid and has day/night option auto-switch.
that brings us to another issue.... for the 8525 model you need a gps adapter. 8525 does not have a built in one. In my opinion, thats better, since all the devices that have built-in GPS receivers are weak and signal reception is minimized. In 8525 and while driving you can place the gps adapter anywhere you get the strongest signal. I use Holux 1200. I had a Nokia GPS adapter.. a piece of sh*T. The Holux is by far the best I used. You can get one on ebay real cheap.
As soon as Goggle-Nav gets its act together, the GPS they will produce will be the best. They are working on some kinks with MS DirectX-3D interphase. You can wait for it or enjoy iGo Nav right now.

one more vote for tomtom here. i don't know where i'd be without it, literally.

Not sure how you are using iGo in cali and where you managed to get your maps from. Their website offers nothing on the US not to mention it is advertised as "door to door navigation across europe". You sure you are even using iGo? lol
edit: Well I found some info about the US version. apparently its out in beta possibly final by now. From what I have read though the maps are not as good with iGO compared to tt6. I also read that some people don't trust iGO when it comes to navigating onto on/off ramps for the highways. Just cause a program looks cooler doesn't make it better especially when it comes to proper navigation.
I tried google navigator. There is a cooked rom somewhere that actually allows it to run even though it has a dx issue that prevents it from running on most roms. If the final version is anything like the version I tried. It will be worthless. Slowest application for GPS I've used yet. Sometimes a ton of graphical features are just a bad idea for a device with only 64megs of ram and poop graphics.

surrept said:
Not sure how you are using iGo in cali and where you managed to get your maps from. Their website offers nothing on the US not to mention it is advertised as "door to door navigation across europe". You sure you are even using iGo? lol
edit: Well I found some info about the US version. apparently its out in beta possibly final by now. From what I have read though the maps are not as good with iGO compared to tt6. I also read that some people don't trust iGO when it comes to navigating onto on/off ramps for the highways. Just cause a program looks cooler doesn't make it better especially when it comes to proper navigation.
I tried google navigator. There is a cooked rom somewhere that actually allows it to run even though it has a dx issue that prevents it from running on most roms. If the final version is anything like the version I tried. It will be worthless. Slowest application for GPS I've used yet. Sometimes a ton of graphical features are just a bad idea for a device with only 64megs of ram and poop graphics.
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I have been using iGO for the last two months. I have downloaded US maps, 8 of them alltogether. I also have maps for Europe and the Mid-East. I have no problem with it, as I did with TomTom, which in lots of incidents lost the GPS signal, doing the same rout as I do with IGO. It is now a matter of personal preferance.

asfoor said:
I have been using iGO for the last two months. I have downloaded US maps, 8 of them alltogether. I also have maps for Europe and the Mid-East. I have no problem with it, as I did with TomTom, which in lots of incidents lost the GPS signal, doing the same rout as I do with IGO. It is now a matter of personal preferance.
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Do you have a torrent for that? All I get is spam and trojans.

No warez here guy. Asking for stuff like that will flip people out.

Navigon trial and network connection

Hi
Just downloaded the navigon 30 day trial and I noticed it requires network access to run. I`m going away in a few weeks time to Italy so dont want to use any network data. Any ideas if the full version requires network connection too?
thanks

I was under the impression that it only needs network access to download the maps to your SD card.
Regards,
Dave

Nope, if you disable all network connections it doesnt run, complaining of no network. Once it finds a network then it comes up with the screen to upgrade,trial,etc

Does it work with just WiFi or does it need cellular data connection?
Maybe trial version needs network to decide how long it has been installed.
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paulruk said:
Hi
Just downloaded the navigon 30 day trial and I noticed it requires network access to run. I`m going away in a few weeks time to Italy so dont want to use any network data. Any ideas if the full version requires network connection too?
thanks
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As a user of the full version I can confirm that it is only the trial version that requires a network connection. The full version doesn't.

martuk said:
Does it work with just WiFi or does it need cellular data connection?
Maybe trial version needs network to decide how long it has been installed.
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Yes, the trial does work with a WiFi connection. As you surmise it is to check that you have not gone beyond the 30 day limit, and also to give you the options to upgrade to the full version.

I'd be interested to know if this is any good? Dont even wanna attempt the trial if it was as bad as the iphone version?

ok thanks for clearing that up, have to test it out before going away and then purchase if its any good.
What was so bad about the iphone version btw?

It sucked, I had virtually all the main gps navigation aids on my 3gs, and I used then with the tom tom gps cradle (enhancer). The problem with nearly all of them was rerouting. This was my main gripe. Lets say you take a wrong turn, by mistake. This is easy with navigon as I found its graphics were the worst in as much as road names were tiny and the colors were pooh. Navigon and copilot would somehow assume that you know where your going and recalculate a completely different route. Now if that means a 20 mile additional journey, who cares. It showed you a way, you didn't take it, so have this 20 mile detour! And you would be none the wiser. Tom tom would get you to do a uturn at the first available point, if it was still the quickest route and straight away you know you've gone wrong.Its routes were generally poor regardless of setting. As were the rest to be fair. But tom tom was the best, followed I believe by sygic, copilot had a great ui, probably the best in fact, but it often failed to find signal, the same as navigon. And that was with the enhanced gps. Copilot took over a month to reply to my email. What i really like about the desire maps is the road in front is accurate, the severity of bends is correct, a little laggy, but the maps are spot on. I didn't see this on navigon, they straighten the roads out, some more than others to save space which can add to confusion as to where you are. Navigon I also found laggy, roughly the same as google navigation.

Dunbad said:
It sucked, I had virtually all the main gps navigation aids on my 3gs, and I used then with the tom tom gps cradle (enhancer). The problem with nearly all of them was rerouting. This was my main gripe. Lets say you take a wrong turn, by mistake. This is easy with navigon as I found its graphics were the worst in as much as road names were tiny and the colors were pooh. Navigon and copilot would somehow assume that you know where your going and recalculate a completely different route. Now if that means a 20 mile additional journey, who cares. It showed you a way, you didn't take it, so have this 20 mile detour! And you would be none the wiser. Tom tom would get you to do a uturn at the first available point, if it was still the quickest route and straight away you know you've gone wrong.Its routes were generally poor regardless of setting. As were the rest to be fair. But tom tom was the best, followed I believe by sygic, copilot had a great ui, probably the best in fact, but it often failed to find signal, the same as navigon. And that was with the enhanced gps. Copilot took over a month to reply to my email. What i really like about the desire maps is the road in front is accurate, the severity of bends is correct, a little laggy, but the maps are spot on. I didn't see this on navigon, they straighten the roads out, some more than others to save space which can add to confusion as to where you are. Navigon I also found laggy, roughly the same as google navigation.
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Thanks. Just tried Navigon today and yeah its a fast but hideous looking interface. Is it me or is there no way of removing all the POI info. It seems really lacking in settings, it also didnt re-route very quickly.
I`ve tried co-pilot, and I liked its features but like you say can take you on some wild detours. Instead of using motorways that were quicker but longer it would try and use A roads that were shorter, but slower. Even adjusting the settings to say not too, it just ignored it. So you really had to check your route before leaving.
I`d like to try sygic but there doesnt seem to be a trial, and at £50 / 59euros i`d rather not have to buy it and find out its not what I want.
I really wish tomtom would bring out an android app.

Yeah X2 on the tom tom. It wasnt great, but it was the best by some way. I could rely on it anyway. If I was you and had co pilot, id stick with it. try navigon and see what you think. It maybe better on android. Near in mind though, when you buy, those roads might straighten out! Would not surprise me! if you dont wanna buy a standalone, copilot once the route is checked with a map,??? and you've gone through the ball ache that is entering the destination on co pilot or navigon, then your good to go. It really is nice to follow. (providing come the day of the races it loads! Lastly, the tome it takes to recalculate the route, I thought was reasonable on all of them. But its HOW it re routes thats vital. And most get it wrong! That all said things might be different on android. As for me, im not even bothering till tom tom comes out.

Well after using Navigon trial for a while at both home and abroad I have decided to purchase , having tried all the other navigation software. Its slightly lacking in features compared to co pilot but what it does do well is navigation. Its fast, good display, accurate and comprehensive speech and the poi`s are pretty good. Probably used it for 300 miles without a hitch.
Thanks for the help

[Q] Blackstone Navigation

Up-to-Speed: I recently obtained a T8282 thinking it was a T8285, I live in the USA and expected to use this on the AT&T Network. I do not have or wish to have a Data Plan, so this might be a blessing.
Now the issue, I want Navigation. I am replacing a Touch Cruise which I was using TomTom 6 on, I was quite pleased with it. Now I have attempted to load it on the HD only to find what many others here have - no luck. There were success stories but I am not one of them - just in case others are reading, my version of TomTom 6 was 6.01. I see that the Touch HD is compatible with TomTom 7, but TomTom lists no usa maps on their site for the States. In contradiction to that there are reports of people using TomTom 7 USA Maps out there. While I prefer staying with TomTom (6 or 7) I would need more information pertaining to the Touch HD. I would also prefer not to have to start and/or stop other programs to get it running (ie changing resolution, which I see here and there). In addition to TomTom 7 being compatible Copilot Live V8 is also a contender. Copilot is less money and has Maps available, but reviews have the maps lacking - but those reviews are dated.
How have others dealt with "Non-Data Plan" Navigation out there? Like I said keeping it simple. Short Lags I can deal with, and not viewing Panoramic Shots, are some of the issues I read about, I can live with that. Not having POIs is less desirable and even less, not reflecting driving on the right road (all of what I have read in these forums. It would seem that if I lived in Europe I'd be better off, but here I am in the ole' USA. Any help/advice would be appreciated - and yes, I have searched for this data but most of it is old, and some is contradictive.

I use iGo 8, very good navigation software imo.

I have seen IGO8 out there, along with Ndrive, Navigon Mobile Navigator 7, Copilot Live V8, TomTom 7, and Garmin Mobile XT all outhere repotedly working on the Blackstone (maybe a few others too). While all of these have been reported to work on the Blackstone, all have negative sides as well (Maps, Lags, inoperative features, etc..). In my case, living in the USA, seems to weed a few of those out (Europe seems to be the center of the Navigation world). I actually attempted to purchase the Copilot product, the download price was hard to resist - but my ISP (Comcast) kept disconnecting before the complete file could be downloaded (it is a huge file), they were quite prompt in refunding the money (a HUGE plus for them!). I will probably go back and buy the Disc if nothing pans out here changing my mind.
What I need is actual feed-back from fellow North Americans (preferably USA) on these (or other) products being used.
Thanks for the feed back. I see that you are in Belgium though, you feed back is good for the product as far as features (a plus for IGO8), but I also need Map feed back.

Up to now I've testet TomTom, IGo, Ndrive, Navigon, Sygic McGuider and Route 66.
In my opinion the most promising software was Ndrive. It is fast, graphics are fluent, there'S just a little map lag and it's cheap

Thaks for the heads up!
Any USA/Canade users of NDrive out there that can vallidate the Map Quality?

Oh, by the way - I see you are from Germany. I just picked my mother-in-law up from the Airport, she was in Munich with family. She came over in the 60's after marrying an US Airforce member, after having experienced the War. Her father was actually in Hitler's SS. Pretty cool.

Windows Phone 7 car Navigation

Hi,
I've two questions.
1. Which navigation sofware can I use offline with phone 7 (alternative to the t-mobile dongle).
2. Which smartphoneholder is good for using in Car. Im looking for a aktive solution so that it's not nessesary to plug in cable in the smartphone if i plug in the phone (same principle as the becker navigation holder)
Thanks for your feedback

alexander555 said:
Hi,
I've two questions.
1. Which navigation sofware can I use offline with phone 7 (alternative to the t-mobile dongle).
2. Which smartphoneholder is good for using in Car. Im looking for a aktive solution so that it's not nessesary to plug in cable in the smartphone if i plug in the phone (same principle as the becker navigation holder)
Thanks for your feedback
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Well I have given up on Getting any GPS software for WP7 and use a Dedicated GPS for all my Navigation in Malaysia and Singapore. There is no company supporting WP7 for of line use of GPS maps that I could find.
If you purchase a dedicated GPS unit with Bluetooth it is possible to use it as A hands free device as well. Most dedicated units also come with a mount.
I have a Nokia phone that I use for GPS when traveling as all the maps and turn by turn navigation are free.

I'm using the AT&T Navigator software on my AT&T focus and its turn by turn directions work great. It cost a few buck per month, but its worth it. The only downside is that with no multitasking, you can't monitor emails while using it, but calls still work.

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I'm using the AT&T Navigator software on my AT&T focus and its turn by turn directions work great. It cost a few buck per month, but its worth it. The only downside is that with no multitasking, you can't monitor emails while using it, but calls still work.
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How much data per hour or so does that pull in?

alexander555 said:
1. Which navigation sofware can I use offline with phone 7 (alternative to the t-mobile dongle).
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If your operator doesn't provide a navigation solution, basically your only option is to find Navigon and sideload it on your phone - search xda for hints on how to do it.
Rumor is that Navigon has an exclusive deal with T-Mobile Germany until summer, so it won't be available on Marketplace until then.
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2. Which smartphoneholder is good for using in Car. Im looking for a aktive solution so that it's not nessesary to plug in cable in the smartphone if i plug in the phone (same principle as the becker navigation holder)
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On xda, there are device-specific forums with "Accessories" sections, check out the forum for your device.

I think every WP7 user should get A to Z. It's in the marketplace and its free. It's amazing, but I'm not sure if it only works in the states... It has turn by turn directions!!!

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I think every WP7 user should get A to Z. It's in the marketplace and its free. It's amazing, but I'm not sure if it only works in the states... It has turn by turn directions!!!
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It's actually called A to B but yes, it is pretty sweet.

I'm with the OP on this. I need a map based turn by turn GPS software such as Garmin, Tomtom, iGO or Navigon. Using bing or A to B doesn't cut it. The last thing I want is to be lost in a dead zone. For me this is a deal breaker and one of the many reasons why I am still with WinMo.

alexander555 said:
Hi,
I've two questions.
1. Which navigation sofware can I use offline with phone 7 (alternative to the t-mobile dongle).
2. Which smartphoneholder is good for using in Car. Im looking for a aktive solution so that it's not nessesary to plug in cable in the smartphone if i plug in the phone (same principle as the becker navigation holder)
Thanks for your feedback
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1. Since you're from Germany, your best bet if you need navigation now is to simply get a T-Mobile device as they come pre-loaded with Navigon.
2. Depends on the device you get. We have Omnia7's and purchased the active Brodit holder for it, great holder. Only downside is that it doesn't play nice with the phones once you put gelaskins on them.

AT&T Navigator costs $10 a month. That is NOT cheap...
10% (maybe more) of your phone bill per month, or $240 over a 2 year contract. You're better off buying a $100 GPS system with offline navigation with updatable maps...
Those GPS services preloaded on these phones are a joke. That's why Google Voice Navigation (and later Bing Voice Navigation) was such a big deal...

deeken said:
I'm with the OP on this. I need a map based turn by turn GPS software such as Garmin, Tomtom, iGO or Navigon. Using bing or A to B doesn't cut it. The last thing I want is to be lost in a dead zone. For me this is a deal breaker and one of the many reasons why I am still with WinMo.
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I'm with you guys here. I'm only on a 200mb plan. Why would I pay $10 per month for Navigator when it'll probably end up going over my limit and overcharge an extra $15 for data? I would have no problem paying a good price for an offline map based GPS.

N8ter said:
AT&T Navigator costs $10 a month. That is NOT cheap...
10% (maybe more) of your phone bill per month, or $240 over a 2 year contract. You're better off buying a $100 GPS system with offline navigation with updatable maps...
Those GPS services preloaded on these phones are a joke. That's why Google Voice Navigation (and later Bing Voice Navigation) was such a big deal...
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totally agree, "a few bucks" is maybe 2-3, but 10 is dead-end. same with their family tracker. I use my Garmin and a few times sideloaded Navigon.

derausgewanderte said:
totally agree, "a few bucks" is maybe 2-3, but 10 is dead-end.
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You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but from my experience (I use Navigator, and I've owned two different dedicated GPS units) you are dead wrong. $10/month for Navigator is quite reasonable compared to what I would have to spend to get a GPS unit with comparable features and quarterly map updates.

RoboDad said:
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but from my experience (I use Navigator, and I've owned two different dedicated GPS units) you are dead wrong. $10/month for Navigator is quite reasonable compared to what I would have to spend to get a GPS unit with comparable features and quarterly map updates.
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I got my GPS for 120 and it was a good quality Garmin. A year in and you're already paying that for Navigator with less features... and that's if you're already paying for unlimited data.

derausgewanderte said:
totally agree, "a few bucks" is maybe 2-3, but 10 is dead-end. same with their family tracker. I use my Garmin and a few times sideloaded Navigon.
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Now that WP7 has FREE tracking built in, there is absolutely no need for the ATT Family Tracking. iPhone and Android Both offer Free Tracking also. I hate to admit it, but iPhone does the best tracking. It pinpoints down to within 20 feet.
I feel both ways on the GPS functions. Personally, I prefer a good GPS unit over GPS on my phone. But, it is nice to get the extra features found on the connected GPS devices. ATT Navigation is actually quite a nice program to use. I used the free trial and was quite impressed, even though I've been a LONG time user of TomTom and Navigon. ATT held it's own, but as others have mentioned, being left without connection, thus no Navigation is just not acceptable for me either.
TomTom, with map updates does end up costing just about the same as ATT Navigator, with the exception of the Data. If you don't use much data, it's probably a wash, but if you go over your data plan, I'm sure ATT will end up being much more expensive. Being able to search for ANY Point of Interest is a big plus on the Connected Navigation. TomTom and Navigon occasionally don't have all the POI's needed.
The newer TomTom's now have the best of all worlds. Free Lifetime Map Updates, Offline Navigation, Online Search, etc... Problem is, they cost around $300-400 for all that.
I'm holding my breath that TomTom will support WP7, especially now that Microsoft has opened up the Dev a bit for them. TomTom on iPhone is really nice to use, so it should be that much better here.

SuperSport said:
Now that WP7 has FREE tracking built in, there is absolutely no need for the ATT Family Tracking. iPhone and Android Both offer Free Tracking also. I hate to admit it, but iPhone does the best tracking. It pinpoints down to within 20 feet.
I feel both ways on the GPS functions. Personally, I prefer a good GPS unit over GPS on my phone. But, it is nice to get the extra features found on the connected GPS devices. ATT Navigation is actually quite a nice program to use. I used the free trial and was quite impressed, even though I've been a LONG time user of TomTom and Navigon. ATT held it's own, but as others have mentioned, being left without connection, thus no Navigation is just not acceptable for me either.
TomTom, with map updates does end up costing just about the same as ATT Navigator, with the exception of the Data. If you don't use much data, it's probably a wash, but if you go over your data plan, I'm sure ATT will end up being much more expensive. Being able to search for ANY Point of Interest is a big plus on the Connected Navigation. TomTom and Navigon occasionally don't have all the POI's needed.
The newer TomTom's now have the best of all worlds. Free Lifetime Map Updates, Offline Navigation, Online Search, etc... Problem is, they cost around $300-400 for all that.
I'm holding my breath that TomTom will support WP7, especially now that Microsoft has opened up the Dev a bit for them. TomTom on iPhone is really nice to use, so it should be that much better here.
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Integrating WP7 with Windows Live Family Safety and introducing Bing Maps Navigation and a service similar to Latitude would work, and you wouldn't have to pay AT&T for it.
And for the poster above talking about Navigator: Who cares. Navigator subscriptions are a scam and the only carrier that has a good deal is Sprint because they give it for free with their $69 (not 79) plan. I'm just aghast that people pay these prices for a Navigation app with no offline capabilities on a subscription when GPS hardware is so cheap and actually quite attractive these days (not to mention lots of new cars are coming with them built-in).
You can spin it any way you want, but they make no monetary sense to consumers when you can either get a phone that has it for free, or get a GPS unit that costs half as much as Navigation costs over the course of a your cell phone contract.
One of the reasons Android took off so well is cause of the free Navigation, and even WP7 has this. Microsoft just needs to get off their asses and bring Voice-Guided Navigation to WP7.
I wish I could just buy Ovi Maps for a flat fee or something, for WP7. But in the meantime, I just carry my Vibrant everywhere and use it for that purpose instead.
Hell, even MapQuest has a Voice Guided Nav app for Android now: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mapquest.android.ace&feature=search_result
Microsoft either needs to work with some company like MapQuest, another third party (TomTom, etc.), or get Bing Navigation up to par.

thealanshow said:
I think every WP7 user should get A to Z. It's in the marketplace and its free. It's amazing, but I'm not sure if it only works in the states... It has turn by turn directions!!!
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A to B do not work here, i am using dedicated GPS nav device fast and cheap... SGD300/-

cgibsong002 said:
I got my GPS for 120 and it was a good quality Garmin. A year in and you're already paying that for Navigator with less features... and that's if you're already paying for unlimited data.
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It's disingenuous to try to lump your data plan into the "cost" of GPS navigation, unless that is the only reason you have the data plan. Since almost no one falls into that category, the cost is obviously amortized (I use my data connection for email, YouTube, weather updates, downloading apps, and about 20 other purposes).
As for your experience with your $120 Garmin, we'll just have to agree to disagree. My experience has been very different.

RoboDad said:
It's disingenuous to try to lump your data plan into the "cost" of GPS navigation, unless that is the only reason you have the data plan. Since almost no one falls into that category, the cost is obviously amortized (I use my data connection for email, YouTube, weather updates, downloading apps, and about 20 other purposes).
As for your experience with your $120 Garmin, we'll just have to agree to disagree. My experience has been very different.
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No it's not. It can change your data requirements. If you use the GPS apps a lot on your phone, a 200MB data plan may not be enough. With a dedicated GPS system, you may be able to just use a 200MB data plan. Some people are like that.
So in the end you end up paying a ridiculous amount of money for the GPS services and the data plan to facilitate it, than just getting a dedicated GPS device.

truffle1234 said:
A to B do not work here, i am using dedicated GPS nav device fast and cheap... SGD300/-
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Agree.
1. It doesn't work (as in, I've never gotten it to work).
2. It has that banner on the screen at all times, which is a waste of useful screen real estate in this type of application.