Hi guys
I recently got hold of a Samsung i9000 Galaxy S, and i have to say im rather dissapointed.
The lag issue, which none of the lag fixes really actually stop, is so annoying, GPS not working as im one of the unfortunate people who have this issue is another annoyance
The screen is fantastic however, and the music player is aweseome with its equilizer.
However i use my phone for numerous things, media is one thing, GPS also as i dont see the need to buy a seperate sat nav when my phone "should have it",
Now i am going to wait until the official Froyo release from samsung before making any decision.
Right stop my moaning and here are my questions
i have been offered in exchange a sim Free Desire, plus a 16gb Class 6 sdcard, all boxed.
The one thing that worries me about going down the Desire route is how long is this handset gonna last.
Looking at benchmarks the i9000 creams the desire (with lag fix) in pretty much everything, i know this is down to the pretty poor Adreno 200 GPU on snapdragon as linpack shows the snapdragon FPU is better, Quadrant over 2200 currently on my SGS
in gaming terms for the future how long is this gonna last? can i expect games that are released in 6 months from now to run flawlessly? i know its hard for people to see into the future! but NEed for speed seems to run pretty much identically to my SGS, so im wondering if its all down to optimization on both chipsets
also gingerbread? a definate yes? or have HTC still not announced if Desire will be getting it
Samsung wont give any answers on this whatsoever
Also what would you guys do?
The samsung guys say "stay with it" but i want opinions from both camps
Cheers
You are on the same point I was a few weeks ago, well I wasn't offered in exchange by someone but the store owner offered to change it for me. Honestly, I'd say go for it. Samsung's software is crap, Desire has a lot better development community. Not to mention you get HTC Sense. Now one warning, Desire doesn't got true multi-touch, it got pinch support but thats about as far as the multi-touch goes. I tired playing Real Football 2010 with a Desire and it was a crap experience. People have reported Quadrant benchmarks of almost 1800 via OCed kernel and custom ROMs, if you really want to get down to that point but honestly it doesn't make a difference.
And HTC still hasn't announced if Desire is getting Gingerbread but there is a good chance the ROM community will be able to get it running. Plus Samsung still hasn't released Froyo, so I don't see a bright future of Gingerbread coming from them.
Now, GPS on Desire is damn good. It works as good as my 2 year old satnav if not better(It usually gets the fix better, I gave my satnav away ).
Honestly the handset has a good life-time to last, HTC Hero is still doing pretty good so Desire should do good as well was another year or more. Even if HTC may drop the support we have people here giving new life to the device.
My opinion: go for it! Desire is a great phone / smartphone.
The more I use it, the better it is.
Make sure you do a hard reset when you get it...
im seriously 50/50 on this, and now my time frame has been shortened, my mate wants to know by tomorrow otherwise he is ebaying it (mates eh!?)
Benchmarks are not the be all and end all, its bragging rights i suppose.
one thing that is seriously tipping me back to HTC is the support and community development, Samsungs own support is utterly awful, Kies is the worst piece of software i have ever ever used, and no OTA?! what the hell is that about.
As for HTC back in the day when i had my hero, ok there was delays but at least they kept people in the loop, one of my biggest annoyences is not being advised anything from samsung other than "we are working on it"
i dont hold out anyfaith that the filesystem will be sorted out with froyo, i mean it says alot when the XDA guys can fix it, but Samsung dont seem to even ackowledge the fact the software is naff!
i thought the desire had true multi touch? Does this mean playing psx4droid is a poor experiance?
No, it doesn't got true multi-touch. If the x1 intersects with y2 or x2 with y1 it goes haywire. It doesn't have gorilla glass either. But the community of HTC Desire is far better than Galaxy S from my experience, we don't have to use Kies or similar crap either(It was a PITA to get Kies to even recognize my phone, took me well over 4 hours and a lot of headaches), we got OTA! .
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No, it doesn't got true multi-touch. If the x1 intersects with y2 or x2 with y1 it goes haywire. It doesn't have gorilla glass either. But the community of HTC Desire is far better than Galaxy S from my experience, we don't have to use Kies or similar crap either(It was a PITA to get Kies to even recognize my phone, took me well over 4 hours and a lot of headaches), we got OTA! .
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Glad you share my view on Kies, i honestly have never had such issues flashing a firmware, at least with Odin it did what it says on the tin
ok well im pushing more towards the desire, i just HOPE that its as much as an enjoyable process playing PSX games on psx4droid as it is on the Galaxy S, i do alot of travelling and i spend most of that time on trains playing FF7
If you want to do gaming stick with the galaxy s the desire isn't very good for that. Maybe 2.2 for the galaxy s will resolve your issues. I love the desire its a great phone but its horrible for gaming.
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it all depends how much more powerfull the new version of adreno is, obviously developers are still going to develop games for the arm cpu and adreno inparticular, imo i think our gpu will be able to play the games developed for newer versions of adreno but maybe not flawlessly .............. as far as gingerbread goes, the desire will never get it officially as htc are more intrested in supporting what will be then there current generation of devices, but as the desire and n1 are almost identical, and the n1 being googles official developer device, they are sure to get gingerbread, so we maybe we will be the first device to get working custom roms
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it all depends how much more powerfull the new version of adreno is, obviously developers are still going to develop games for the arm cpu and adreno inparticular, imo i think our gpu will be able to play the games developed for newer versions of adreno but maybe not flawlessly .............. as far as gingerbread goes, the desire will never get it officially as htc are more intrested in supporting what will be then there current generation of devices, but as the desire and n1 are almost identical, and the n1 being googles official developer device, they are sure to get gingerbread, so we maybe we will be the first device to get working custom roms
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I never thought of it like that actually regarding future android updates, basically the N1 is the same hardware as the desire, just lacking a little bit of Ram i believe, so shouldnt be too difficult to port over a rom
you sir have just tipped the scales again!
If you care about gaming stick with SGS..devs are even stopping games for desire ( see n.o.v.a) due to the multitouch bug and the the GPU isn't even remotely close to sgs's..Desire's 720p is a big pile of disappointment as well,no matter what rom you try..
other than that it is a fantastic phone...also unique feel as you hold it in your palm..its ergonomy is amazing, even ip4 doesn't sit as well in the hand as desire does..
Your right about the iPhone 4 it is a pain to hold now lol (not about the signal "issue") the edges are Sharp.
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I have a Desire & my friend has a Galaxy S.
I would say the Samsung has a better screen. However:
The Desire is a better over all device, software wise and build quality wise. Oh and it has more ram.
However, if gaming is a serious thing for you, I suggest you stay with the Samsung because they really do have the most powerful mobile GPU.
mr.r9 said:
I have a Desire & my friend has a Galaxy S.
I would say the Samsung has a better screen. However:
The Desire is a better over all device, software wise and build quality wise. Oh and it has more ram.
However, if gaming is a serious thing for you, I suggest you stay with the Samsung because they really do have the most powerful mobile GPU.
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In respects to gaming its not gaming as such, i mean angry birds beta from the market, any gpu should play that, im more bothered about PSX emulation at this point, my sgs is superb with psx4droid, where as the videos i have seen on youtube dont say the same story with desire, however these are based on the early versions of the app,
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In respects to gaming its not gaming as such, i mean angry birds beta from the market, any gpu should play that, im more bothered about PSX emulation at this point, my sgs is superb with psx4droid, where as the videos i have seen on youtube dont say the same story with desire, however these are based on the early versions of the app,
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Don't worry about that...psx4droid does not yet support hardware acceleration so all graphics are rendered from the CPU , not the GPU...so they should play it equaly well..well runs fine on my desire..and also i had an hd2 before and used fpsece which supported(and still does) hw acceleration..and run great on hd2 (has snapdragon chip, same as htc desire)..could get 40+fps on tekken 3...which is brillian (does not even run in psx4droid)..
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Don't worry about that...psx4droid does not yet support hardware acceleration so all graphics are rendered from the CPU , not the GPU...so they should play it equaly well..well runs fine on my desire..and also i had an hd2 before and used fpsece which supported(and still does) hw acceleration..and run great on hd2 (has snapdragon chip, same as htc desire)..could get 40+fps on tekken 3...which is brillian (does not even run in psx4droid)..
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Also had a hd2 and it was excellent, just a pitty about winmo 6.5, do you know if there are any plans for GPU acceleration to be implemented for android?
ascottuk said:
Also had a hd2 and it was excellent, just a pitty about winmo 6.5, do you know if there are any plans for GPU acceleration to be implemented for android?
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i think we have crappy drivers for our gpu too, the acer liquid has the same gpu but with a cpu that runs at a lower clockspeed, but apparently the 3d rendering on that device surpasses our device
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i think we have crappy drivers for our gpu too, the acer liquid has the same gpu but with a cpu that runs at a lower clockspeed, but apparently the 3d rendering on that device surpasses our device
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no they do not have a standard snapdragon..
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Also had a hd2 and it was excellent, just a pitty about winmo 6.5, do you know if there are any plans for GPU acceleration to be implemented for android?
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Truly no idea..the guy is taking it deadly slow..Kiss Yorkshire goodnight from me had a trip 3 years ago and it was the sweetest town ever..
ascottuk said:
Hi guys
I recently got hold of a Samsung i9000 Galaxy S, and i have to say im rather dissapointed.
The lag issue, which none of the lag fixes really actually stop, is so annoying, GPS not working as im one of the unfortunate people who have this issue is another annoyance
The screen is fantastic however, and the music player is aweseome with its equilizer.
However i use my phone for numerous things, media is one thing, GPS also as i dont see the need to buy a seperate sat nav when my phone "should have it",
Now i am going to wait until the official Froyo release from samsung before making any decision.
Right stop my moaning and here are my questions
i have been offered in exchange a sim Free Desire, plus a 16gb Class 6 sdcard, all boxed.
The one thing that worries me about going down the Desire route is how long is this handset gonna last.
Looking at benchmarks the i9000 creams the desire (with lag fix) in pretty much everything, i know this is down to the pretty poor Adreno 200 GPU on snapdragon as linpack shows the snapdragon FPU is better, Quadrant over 2200 currently on my SGS
in gaming terms for the future how long is this gonna last? can i expect games that are released in 6 months from now to run flawlessly? i know its hard for people to see into the future! but NEed for speed seems to run pretty much identically to my SGS, so im wondering if its all down to optimization on both chipsets
also gingerbread? a definate yes? or have HTC still not announced if Desire will be getting it
Samsung wont give any answers on this whatsoever
Also what would you guys do?
The samsung guys say "stay with it" but i want opinions from both camps
Cheers
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id say go for the desire, just won t3 awards phone of the year
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no they do not have a standard snapdragon..
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thats my point!! they have the same gpu running with a 768mhz cpu, and there gpu can do 3D better than ours, read this thread started about overclocking our gpu.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8553534#post8553534
hey im just wondering if it will be possible to get WP7 for my Zune HD1 anytime soon. I will be prefectly willing to be someones tester if they need one.
I can tell you there is no chance of this happening, screen size is not the same as WP7 and with rumours of a Zune HD2 coming out soon it's fair to say that the Zune HD will be abandoned for the newer one which will be apps compatible.
Please keep speculation, general questions in WP7 general!
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To General!
~~Tito~~
does anyone have anything to contribute?
Tegra 1 is nowhere near Snapdragon in general computing performance (probably not far off in 3d though). The only chance it would happen is if Microsoft decides to do it but there's no way they do that either. Not only is the screen size and CPU below spec, it's missing the buttons needed for navigation.
On the other hand, 75% chance we see a ZuneHD2 running WP7 (minus the phone).
I was thinking of something like a bootable rom. That kind of thing is all the rage on android I was wondering if that logic could be applied here
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Even tho the tegra may not be as fast I can only think of older android devices that work just fine on android. My eris running kaosfroyo runs just as fast as my dads evo
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bump, i am still wondering if this is possible. Anyone have ideas?
given the lack of response, i doubt anyone is working on doing this at present.
It is impossible as WP7 only includes drivers for the Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 processor. For someone to port WP7 to the Zune HD they'd need to write Tegra drivers, account for the 50% reduction in performance, RAM, etc.
Unless you have the source code for WP7 and stacks of time, it aint' happening.
rats, my next move would be email MS about getting wp7 on my zune
I don't know very much about the development end as far as porting an OS from one device to another but I was wondering if it was possible to port WP7 to the Samsung Epic 4g. I know the new Samsung Focus has it as its OS so I assumed being that they are Samsung products that there might be a possibility of getting WP7 on the Epic but I have no idea. Does anyone know if its possible and if anyone is working on it?
No.
WP7 requires either a Qualcomm QSD8250 (GSM) or QSD8650 (CDMA) - there may also be other hardware requirements
Even if the hardware requirements were there if anyone started working on porting this over they would quickly get a cease and desist order for Microsofts legal team. WP7 is not free and definitely not open source. Never going to happen. If you want a phone with WP7, buy a phone with WP7.
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No.
WP7 requires either a Qualcomm QSD8250 (GSM) or QSD8650 (CDMA) - there may also be other hardware requirements
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Not true...WP7 doesn't require a Qualcomm processor. The requirements for WP7 were but not limited to the Qualcomm 8200 and 8600 series.
If what you say is true, no further advancements in processors could be made to be used with WP7.
I remember reading the requirements for WP7...it was not limited to those 2 types of processors by far. And the Hummingbird processor may even be included in the supported processors list.
EDIT: In this stickied thread in this specific forum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649909
It states and I quote, "ARMv7 based applications processor (compare this to ARMv4 for WinMo 6.x)"
The Hummingbird Processor installed in the Samsung Epic, and all of the Galaxy S Devices, is a ARMv7 based processor
Please post questions like these in the General Section!
~~Tito~~
the new unreal engine for android has been released, but the defy isnt on the compatibility list for dungeon defenders, even though it looks like it will play it due to its spec!
has anyone tried this game?
would i need to root my phone and overclock?
and if i rooted, would i still get the official 2.1 update thats coming this year?
Thanks
i have nexus s and it only runs ok on that. i wouldn't get hung up if it doesn't run great.
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has anyone tried this game?
Thanks
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Work perfectly on our Defy!!!
thanks guys
very glad about getting this phone
festival proof + Good at gameloft + unreal games?
epicness
The problem is that Dungeon Defenders requires Froyo (2.2). The Defy currently ships with 2.1.
When we upgrade (the first 2.2 Defy ROM's are just starting to float around now, but aren't really ready for mass usage) to 2.2, we'll be fine for everything.
"Requires" as in "requires 2.2 for acceptable performance"?
Because the game sure does work on 2.1 since some update.
Will try OC and jit my defy soon, because i'm not happy with the performance of DD on my defy.
^ Yeah, no difference between 2.1/2.2. Performance is defined by the powerVR SGX530, any overclock/JIT will have little impact.
The Droid X is listed as a mid range device, that has the same GPU/resolution so it'll be no different. Just be grateful we have usable performance (unlike the 1st gen snapdragon )
I guess i will delete it then... i'm getting a headache from the relatively low fps.
MTDG said:
"Requires" as in "requires 2.2 for acceptable performance"?
Because the game sure does work on 2.1 since some update.
Will try OC and jit my defy soon, because i'm not happy with the performance of DD on my defy.
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No, just "Requires" as in, Market doesn't show it because the game specs say you should have 2.2.
It shows up in my market.
After some more testing it's somewhat playable i guess. At least no massive fps-loss with enemies on screen...first level that is Still eager to improve the performance. Update gooooo!
I'm happy to report that a new version of dungeon defenders is out (version 2.01) and it runs and looks very good on the Defy. They've even added a slider for graphics and it can now be played online over 3G/4G. I believe it even includes cross platform play with iOS devices.
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I'm happy to report that a new version of dungeon defenders is out (version 2.01) and it runs and looks very good on the Defy. They've even added a slider for graphics and it can now be played online over 3G/4G. I believe it even includes cross platform play with iOS devices.
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Great Stuff
hey sorry for the double post but did you play on a overclocked defy?
if so how did you do it?
and was the improvement noticeable?
I am having a little argument with an iPhone sheep, and I told him the future Android phones will be much smoother for one main reason, they will change the UI acceleration to be handled by the GPU, instead of the cpu now. He said no way, Apple's iPhone will still be smoother, GPU or not, Android will still be choppy, compared to the iPhone.
How do you answer a Apple die hard like that ?
Is there an interview somewhere with Google developers talking about changing to GPU acceleration ?
You were right, leave it be.
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There's absolutely no reason why Android couldn't run as smooth as the iPhone with the right optimizations and the right hardware. The Evo has two problems. The first is, as you said, that Android isn't using GPU acceleration in the interface, at least not effectively. That's on Google to fix.
The second problem is that the Adreno 200 GPU that's part of the Snapdragon processor we have is not as powerful as what the iPhone has, or even what other Android phones have, such as the Samsung Galaxy S. Even without whatever shifts to the GPU future versions of Android might have, the Galaxy S's Hummingbird is unquestionably smoother than the Evo's Snapdragon. I bought the Evo after the Epic was out and am happy with the choice, but on performance, the Epic was clearly better and arguably comparable to the iPhone in smoothness. So even without any software changes, the next generation of system-on-a-chip platforms (CPU + GPU) will narrow the gap significantly.
Combine both optimized software and better hardware, and it should be able to match the iPhone without a problem.
bkrodgers said:
There's absolutely no reason why Android couldn't run as smooth as the iPhone with the right optimizations and the right hardware. The Evo has two problems. The first is, as you said, that Android isn't using GPU acceleration in the interface, at least not effectively. That's on Google to fix.
The second problem is that the Adreno 200 GPU that's part of the Snapdragon processor we have is not as powerful as what the iPhone has, or even what other Android phones have, such as the Samsung Galaxy S. Even without whatever shifts to the GPU future versions of Android might have, the Galaxy S's Hummingbird is unquestionably smoother than the Evo's Snapdragon. I bought the Evo after the Epic was out and am happy with the choice, but on performance, the Epic was clearly better and arguably comparable to the iPhone in smoothness. So even without any software changes, the next generation of system-on-a-chip platforms (CPU + GPU) will narrow the gap significantly.
Combine both optimized software and better hardware, and it should be able to match the iPhone without a problem.
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speaking of the hummingbird, isn't the A4 processor that apple uses a custom built hummingbird processor?
nosympathy said:
speaking of the hummingbird, isn't the A4 processor that apple uses a custom built hummingbird processor?
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They're similar. Samsung makes both, but Apple had some hand in the design of the A4. More accurately, a company called Intrinsity, which Apple acquired.
Isn't the official use of the GPU to handle the UI acceleration going to be standard in "Ice Cream Sandwich" update ? And what OS # is Ice Cream going to be ? And approx release date ? 2nd half of 2011 I believe ?
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Isn't the official use of the GPU to handle the UI acceleration going to be standard in "Ice Cream Sandwich" update ? And what OS # is Ice Cream going to be ? And approx release date ? 2nd half of 2011 I believe ?
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Honeycomb has it.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914#c197
It's unclear exactly what this means for phones right now. Honeycomb is for tablets, but they've also introduced API improvements and behind the scenes enhancements (like this one) that are unquestionably needed for phones.
It's sounding like Ice Cream may be that release, and it's probably going to be announced at Google I/O in May (speculation). It's possible we could see a scaled down version of Honeycomb for phones released before then. It's more a question of timing and names though -- whatever the next release of Android is for phones, I would expect it to have it.
It's even possible folks here will find a way to get Honeycomb working on phones in some form before we see anything official. That might be tough, since we'd want to keep the smaller screen UI of Gingerbread and just pull in the API and implementation improvements we want. But I'm always impressed by what people pull off here.
i altered a line on my old hero to use hw rendering for the ui and junk-it seemed to help a little. perhaps the same line can be tweaked/added for the evo. it was in the build prop i believe...