Hey everyone!
Now that most of you have tasted mango.. do you guys felt any difference about push notifications?
I didn't have any app with broken push, and everything is working fine BUT live tiles.
Sometimes I open the app, see the news and when I come back to home screen, the tile still there with the number of notifications that it has before.
I had the same problem with NoDo and thought it was going to be solved with Mango.
I'm not a developer so I don't know. I didn't read that everyone would need to adapt their apps to the new mango push system. Just read that push would work properly.
So.. developers will need to modify their apps to mango push?
Btw, does anybody knows if with mango will be allowed custom sounds to push notifications? It sucks to hear the same ring to every push you have. It's ok when the app doesnt include the sound, use a default one. But it's great to have different sounds to every app you have.
Thank you guys.
I am not aware of a new Mango push notification system. Though maybe I missed something.
I thought the major change for Mango was that Background Agents would allow applications in the background to update tiles and show toast messages. This means developers can do live tiles without having to have a web server setup and without using the actual push notification system.
Nop!
The whole push system would be revamped, as far as I know. And this should solve all push notifications problems, and turn it reliable.
Now I'm at mango and didn't miss a single push. But Live Tiles still with problems.
I know that this is a beta. Just sharing my problem.
Re Notification in general...
Mango has much improved the notification system with tile flipping. I still would like to see a central place for ALL notifications (not just social) but it's a good start.
I had lots of issues with tiles not updating correctly and still showing data even though they should have been dismissed already. I can't even count how many times I deleted the related keys in the registry. Now with Mango everything works like a charm. Toast, live tiles, dismissing. I even have more live tiles pinned to the start screen than with NoDo. It sometimes just takes larger amount of time before a live tile becomes updated. But I since this seems to be app specific, I guess they just use a longer update frequency there.
It has been a long time since I posted here, because I sold my Windows Mobile Smartphone and gotten a Blackberry. Right now, I have a few features I would want Microsoft to add in the next major update of windows Phone, because I'm tempted to return to the Windows Phone party soon.
1. Home Screen Notifications
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
I have this idea that when you swype from the left of the start screen, the notifications appear like in Windows8.
2. Notification when in Hubs/Apps
This pull-down notification bar (a la android) can be featured in the Hubs and applications which uses both the leeft and right swyping gestures. This allow quick access to the important informations without returning to the start screen.
3. Custom Start screen background
This allows users to add a custom background to the start screen, making the whole look of the OS more appealing.
4. Live Lockscreen
This allows users to see inportant informations on their lockscreen, and the lockscreen wallpaper changes according to current weather reports.
THATS ALL FOR NOW, I WILL ADD MORE WHEN I HAVE MORE SUGGESTIONS
I love the idea of the lockscreen wallpaper changes depending on weather, I already really love it displaying pictures of the current artist playing, I think they really need to consider this route.
As for custom backgrounds, I wish I had a custom background but I can see why they've avoided it so far. Windows mobile is about simplicity of the display, having a white or black background draws attention straight to the live tiles and makes them look powerful. However, it couldn't hurt to give us the option could it?
I'm not a fan of the notification hub ideas. I kinda like them with android but me and android have never gotten along. I think all the info that you could display can be represented by live tiles, that way you only see the information you want to. If you did have a hub that comes from the side, I think it would steal a bit of the glory from the live tiles, after all, that is one of wp7s strongest points. I know iPhone fanboys who drool everytime they hold the phone, telling me how much they wish that the iPhone interface was as nice and as informative as the homescreen on wp7. But once more, it couldn't hurt to have the option. The question is, are we getting a brand new OS (ie windows 8) to have this feature, or will Microsoft just give us a further update to bring the features?
One feature I'd really like to look forward to is built in Skype support (which should come eventually). I want it to be part of the operating system, so I don't need to open an app to receive a call. Just like the Facebook messenger built in.
After all, you know what's more powerful that the 'there's an app for that' statement - you want to Skype someone? 'You don't even need an app for that!'
wow.. weather idea super.. I saw a link somewhere in this forums to tell wishlist to MS. good idea to post there if they consider.
Not sure how much I'd support that live lockscreen for weather idea. I'd love to see a metro-ish idea, such as a small text-like icon next to the time, sort of the like the alarm icon. That weather is too Android-like and exactly why I hate Android. The wallpaper is live already in relation to Zune too.
Notification idea is a great and sought after idea. Though, the way I think Microsoft sees it is that most app with notifications will be pinned to the homescreen or should be in their minds, which is why they didn't even touch the system. They figure your homescreen is your notification screen. But swiping the other way, or going up would be a great idea. Maybe if you drag the screen it'll drop a volume-style drawer with notification alerts.
And ew to the custom homescreen background lol. I think the tiles work best without a background.
FiyaFleye said:
Though, the way I think Microsoft sees it is that most app with notifications will be pinned to the homescreen or should be in their minds, which is why they didn't even touch the system. They figure your homescreen is your notification screen.
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Then why did they bother implementing toast notifications as part of the OS?
But even with that aside, the problem with the "start screen as notification screen" idea is that even with flippable live tiles, they only display the most recent notification. Anything older than that is lost. And, of course, many (most) 3rd party apps don't display text at all on their live tiles, just tickers and images.
FiyaFleye said:
And ew to the custom homescreen background lol. I think the tiles work best without a background.
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Don't like it? Don't use it. Many people would love to have a splash of color behind their live tiles.
I like those pictures, however I think the notifications are fine the way they are, I still manage to keep up with all the notifications in my apps by using the start screen. I also agree of the idea that backgrounds will distract from the live tiles.
First off, good work on the presentation.
I don't like the notifications idea. The way I'd like to see it implemented (which I've already voiced, loudly, to the team) is to simply have them aggregated in the notifications area of the "me" tile. It's the perfect spot for archived toasts and it would quickly give you an indication on what's happened using the "me" live tile.
Secondly, I don't see a need for a separate "notifications if in app/hub" system. If you're already using the phone when a toast comes in you'll have seen it at the top of the screen. If you're not [actively] using the phone, you're not in an app anyway so the "me" tile takes care of you. Just have certain on-device events toastable (such as email received) and you're good to go. Even without all events coming in as toasts having them all aggregated in "me" would work due to the fast-app-switching.
In addition, allow a certain number of apps to register for "on-lockscreen" capabilities. Where it would add an icon, counter and/or message to the lockscreen.
As for the customizable backgrounds. I'd probably not use it myself as it takes away from the live tiles and the way they pop out on a completely white background, but I can definitely see most people wanting this feature.
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I don't like the notifications idea. The way I'd like to see it implemented (which I've already voiced, loudly, to the team) is to simply have them aggregated in the notifications area of the "me" tile. It's the perfect spot for archived toasts and it would quickly give you an indication on what's happened using the "me" live tile.
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The "me" tile is a social networking tile. Many of the toasts from 3rd party apps have nothing to do with social networking. It would feel awkward to me to put them there.
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As for the customizable backgrounds. I'd probably not use it myself as it takes away from the live tiles and the way they pop out on a completely white background, but I can definitely see most people wanting this feature.
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I don't know that I would use it either, but having the option would be a good thing.
good idea :X
RoboDad said:
Don't like it? Don't use it. Many people would love to have a splash of color behind their live tiles.
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I was giving my opinion, don't like it, don't respond to it, I never said not to implement it. Im really beginning to regret every time I see your name and still read your post. I feel bad for RoboChildren and RoboWife
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FiyaFleye said:
I was giving my opinion, don't like it, don't respond to it, I never said not to implement it. Im really beginning to regret every time I see your name and still read your post. I feel bad for RoboChildren and RoboWife
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No, you didn't say not to implement it. But your post came across slightly condescending, as if anyone who would like that feature just doesn't "get" WP7.
And for the record, I really don't appreciate you making any comments about my family. That is the type of schoolyard taunt that a 10-year-old throws around.
Some thoughts on my own
I also think that the main menu needs some coloring.
And an app grouping will be great
Tried to recreate it with HTML and javascript, you can check it out at: hxxp://blog.conquex.com/wp/ (can't add external link sry)
Bluetooth FTP , Full Unlock from buy(so you can native code on it) and a file explorer that was it
I would like the ability to go to notification directly from the lock screen and the lock screen should show 3rd party app notifications not just windows
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RoboDad said:
The "me" tile is a social networking tile. Many of the toasts from 3rd party apps have nothing to do with social networking. It would feel awkward to me to put them there.
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But that's only because of it's current implementation. It should really be a "me" tile rather than a "social" tile. IMO anything "me" related should go to it - including app toasts as well as missed calls, messages etc.
emigrating said:
But that's only because of it's current implementation. It should really be a "me" tile rather than a "social" tile. IMO anything "me" related should go to it - including app toasts as well as missed calls, messages etc.
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I agree. The "Me" tile should show all the notifications for the phone. If they are on the start screen, I have the option to go directly to the app, or I can go to the "Me" tile and get a link directly to the certain part of the app that the notification was about. For example, on words by post, if I get a toast notification saying another player made move, I can go to the "Me" tile, and a link should take me directly to the game so I can make a move, not just open the app so I have to navigate to my game.
But to me (no pun intended ), that is still a social notification, in that it affects my ability to interact with other people. I don't think a notification about a weather forecast, or a stock market alert, or an upcoming episode of a TV show, fit the same criteria.
Microsoft made it a Social Network tile, because they didn't want to handle more panes in the People Hub for it. Android (TW 3.0) fixes that by putting your "Me" Hub under a menu. WP7 takes the easier route and just makes a tile for it.
Fussing over what the Me Tile is gets us no where.
The issue is what should be discussed, and it's obvious. The notification system in WP7 is bad. It's way too fragmented and it's much too tedious. A Notification cache is needed. This isn't a feature phone that gets hardly any pushed updates. It's a smartphone and every smartphone OS that has grown a healthy app market and embraced PUSH Updates and Notifications without one has run into issues and eventually (like Apple) had to implement one.
1. Allow Apps intelligent use of the LED Notification Light (Different Colors for Notifications, etc. similar to Blackberries)
2. Global Notification Cache - Swipe Right on Home Screen to get to it (Similar to iOS, but Notifications instead of Search, before someone says anything... swiping down has already been dong, as has swiping up in addition to other gestures... Not much choice, it just needs to be done.).
3. Zune Social... Where is it? They missed the ball on this one... It had potential in WP7, but I think it may be a bit late to try to resurrect it, now.
4. Flash LITE, or the ability to stream Flash Video in the video player. Show the boxes, and let it open up in the player like on YouTube. Don't care about Ads, Navigational Elements, or Games. Just the video.
5. Bluetooth File Transfer - at least Contact Info, Multimedia, Office Documents. Don't care about file explorer. It can add them to the necessary hubs by file type.
6. Video MMS/Email.
7. Video, and Voice Clip transfer for WLM.
8. Video Chat for WLM - Back and Front Cam (obviously 1st gen devices would default to back cam, new devices can switch). Skype won't do. Most consumers don't even care about Skype unless they use it for calling. They just use WLM or some other IM service like FB or Yahoo! instead.
9. Delivery Confirmations and/or S/D/R in Windows Live Messenger (Similar to BBM/Kik).
10. Facebook Offline Messages and Twitter Direct Messages pushed and integrated into one of the Social or Email Hubs (Probably Me) - with Toast Notifications.
11. Official Support for External SD Cards - Obviously they won't be Hot-Swappable...
12. Hand-Off GPS Navigation.
13. Integrate Zune and Windows Phone services with Windows Media Player. Shouldn't need to install Zune. Mac Users don't need to install iTunes to manage their iDevices. Never understood the need for this redundant piece of software, especially when it's Audio/Video Playing features are so terrible compared to WMP or iTunes.
14. Software EQ built into WP7.
15. Integrated DLNA functionality (at least for WMP/WMC/XBox360).
16. Ability to set different Notification Tones for Notifications in different Apps.
There's more
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Microsoft made it a Social Network tile, because they didn't want to handle more panes in the People Hub for it. Android (TW 3.0) fixes that by putting your "Me" Hub under a menu. WP7 takes the easier route and just makes a tile for it.
Fussing over what the Me Tile is gets us no where.
The issue is what should be discussed, and it's obvious. The notification system in WP7 is bad. It's way too fragmented and it's much too tedious. A Notification cache is needed. This isn't a feature phone that gets hardly any pushed updates. It's a smartphone and every smartphone OS that has grown a healthy app market and embraced PUSH Updates and Notifications without one has run into issues and eventually (like Apple) had to implement one.
1. Allow Apps intelligent use of the LED Notification Light (Different Colors for Notifications, etc. similar to Blackberries)
2. Global Notification Cache - Swipe Right on Home Screen to get to it (Similar to iOS, but Notifications instead of Search, before someone says anything... swiping down has already been dong, as has swiping up in addition to other gestures... Not much choice, it just needs to be done.).theres nothing wrong with the current notifications system. people need to stop complaining about it and just pin all those apps to the start screen I think that when all apps are updated for mango it will be easier to get the notifications.
3. Zune Social... Where is it? They missed the ball on this one... It had potential in WP7, but I think it may be a bit late to try to resurrect it, now.
4. Flash LITE, or the ability to stream Flash Video in the video player. Show the boxes, and let it open up in the player like on YouTube. Don't care about Ads, Navigational Elements, or Games. Just the video.
just use html5 it works great on YouTube,dailymotion and tube8. flash is dying out.
5. Bluetooth File Transfer - at least Contact Info, Multimedia, Office Documents. Don't care about file explorer. It can add them to the necessary hubs by file type.
I don't think I've ever used this or know anyone who has. never really worked that well when I tried it.
6. Video MMS/Email.
you can email videos.
7. Video, and Voice Clip transfer for WLM.
this is already present and it has already been demonstrated
8. Video Chat for WLM - Back and Front Cam (obviously 1st gen devices would default to back cam, new devices can switch). Skype won't do. Most consumers don't even care about Skype unless they use it for calling. They just use WLM or some other IM service like FB or Yahoo! instead.
9. Delivery Confirmations and/or S/D/R in Windows Live Messenger (Similar to BBM/Kik).
10. Facebook Offline Messages and Twitter Direct Messages pushed and integrated into one of the Social or Email Hubs (Probably Me) - with Toast Notifications.
I can receive some offline messages from Facebook in the current iteration, can't reply to them but I get them.
11. Official Support for External SD Cards - Obviously they won't be Hot-Swappable...
12. Hand-Off GPS Navigation.
13. Integrate Zune and Windows Phone services with Windows Media Player. Shouldn't need to install Zune. Mac Users don't need to install iTunes to manage their iDevices. Never understood the need for this redundant piece of software, especially when it's Audio/Video Playing features are so terrible compared to WMP or iTunes.
it takes up less RAM than iTunes and doesn't demand that u also have bonjour,QuickTime and safari installed (uninstall one of those and see what happens to ur precious iTunes)
14. Software EQ built into WP7.
15. Integrated DLNA functionality (at least for WMP/WMC/XBox360).
16. Ability to set different Notification Tones for Notifications in different Apps.
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my replies to the points I strongly disagree with are in bold.
Sorry buddy I can't read your posts.
One thing I dearly wish for is for my notification windowshade to show me individual emails and text messages. I don't receive massive amounts of email/sms, maybe 50 a day in total. But if I don't immediately check my email or sms before another one comes in then all the windowshade does is tell me I have 2 new sms or 3 new emails. YOU DON'T SAY!! I knew that as soon as I turned the screen on cos of the icons on the notification bar.
Is there a way to have the OS separate out all the messages individually, so I can read the first few lines (just the way I can if I just have one message)?
Ideally I would also like a way to delete (not just dismiss) emails directly from the windowshade, without having to go into the GMail app. And no, I don't want to use a widget.
Any suggestions?
I'm still running Gingerbread, btw. I gave up on testing ICS roms a couple weeks ago (will probably just wait until there's a fully functional CM9 ready).
I don't think this is possible without modifying the specific Google apps, and even then it is something Google specifically wants to avoid... see here, ICS Design http://developer.android.com/design/patterns/notifications.html
scroll down to "Stack your notifications"
If your app creates a notification while another of the same type is still pending, avoid creating an altogether new notification object. Instead, stack the notification.
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Well that's a real bummer
So theoretically a dev could implement notifications that don't stack. I wonder if someone would be interested in modding the GMail app in this way?
I just switched to the one x from iphone 4, but the notification system seems to be a lot worse, there isn't even a notifications setting in settings and I'm not getting notified of draw something moves?
is there a fix to that?
You should have seen the old ios notification lol. I am sure there is a way to fix drawsomething notification. Is it an app problem?
There should be no problems with other stuff such as emails , whatsapp, viber etc which I am using.
Btw, coming from ios, you will have much to learn and you will like android. Unless you just want a dumbed down fuss free experience. Hehe
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Will Chao said:
I just switched to the one x from iphone 4, but the notification system seems to be a lot worse, there isn't even a notifications setting in settings and I'm not getting notified of draw something moves?
is there a fix to that?
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DrawSomething currently has no notifications. However there is a big update planned soon which will include notifications. See here http://phandroid.com/2012/03/25/draw-something-soon-to-receive-a-substantial-update/
I really do like android, this is just one little drawback
facebook and skype don't seem to have notifications either, i'd expect there to be a menu in settings just like iOS where you can customize which apps you want to have notifications or not?
Will Chao said:
I really do like android, this is just one little drawback
facebook and skype don't seem to have notifications either, i'd expect there to be a menu in settings just like iOS where you can customize which apps you want to have notifications or not?
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Notification settings are usually contained within the app itself, rather than a global setting. Skype and Facebook have settings for Notifications.
As above, each individual app has notification settings within the settings of the app.
Will Chao said:
I just switched to the one x from iphone 4, but the notification system seems to be a lot worse, there isn't even a notifications setting in settings and I'm not getting notified of draw something moves?
is there a fix to that?
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As others have said each individual app tends to have notification settings that you set up personally. There are some global notifications for email, SMS, missed calls that will flash the LED light located under "Display & gestures > Notification flash".
I'm also having problems with Facebook for Android and FB Messenger. I have notifications enabled and set up correctly, yet I'm not receiving anything for them. Also, Draw Something now has the ability for Android notifications, but each time I try to enable it, I get told they're not supported by my phone.
When using the native Twitter app, the timeline jumps all over the place, is sprinkled with suggestions, the occasional advertisement, etc,. When launching the Fenix 2 app, however, it's clean and picture perfect when it comes to the chronological order of tweets (and ONLY TWEETS) that are shown on my screen. I can't figure out, for the life of me, how to adjust that on the native Twitter app. What suggestions and/or steps can people recommend?
Tap at the very top of the twitter app the little stars are and select Latest Tweets. This will show them in chronological order instead of "top tweets first". It does change every so often but you can easily toggle it back. If it says "Home" at the top instead of "Latest Tweets" you'll need to toggle it back. It's changed back maybe 2-3 times in the last year or so on me, maybe after the app updates, not sure.
As for the ads, you can't really do much other than top the down arrow on the top right of the tweet and pick "I don't like this ad" which will hide it from your timeline.
Fenix and other apps are using an API and don't show ads. They also don't have all features like polls, which only the official Twitter app can do.