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Newbie - need some direction please

Hello, pardon my name, I never knew Xda was in charge of rooting and I made a quick account to download Swype when Evo first came out
that and I was frustrated throughout the day and had to make few accounts and emails for Evo (gmail...)
ANYWAYS - awesome job on finally getting the Evo fully rooted.
now here comes my part - the noob and Rooting...
Okay I have experience and knowledge of rooting PSP and whatnot, but never with a phone. This is my first smartphone but im no tech noob at the same time. Regardless, I do need to be instructed like a child on Rooting my evo and few answers to my concerns.
1 - If I wanted to return the Evo 4g or get it replaced within 2 yrs, does this void my warranty, insurance?
1b - If so, is there a way to Un-root and put it back to default settings?
now what I wanted to do with my root is to have all the crap apps and useles stuff out of my phone, out of the manage app, all gone. Keeping the minimum. I guess software or program - I assume you guys call it "ROM".
Sorry, coming from a gamers, homebrew world - my word associate to Rom is video games lol.
so which rom, or is there a rom that has the basics only? Phone, Contacts, Voicemail, text msg, HTC Sense UI + android 2.1 (unless you guys got Froyo out as well????)
so therefor I can customize or add the apps I want...
Currently I have tried all sorts of things to keep my battery up and it seems I either am running high android system or cell standby.
I have done the cdma plr thing and forced closed, deleted alot of data and still phone last 8-12hrs. Have the stuff I wasnt sure what it was and left it alone.
thank you for helping this noob out.
lastly - whats up with the 4g lack of speed?
I have clear, my modem and usb is approx 4x faster than what the evo picks up!

1 - If I wanted to return the Evo 4g or get it replaced within 2 yrs, does this void my warranty, insurance?
1b - If so, is there a way to Un-root and put it back to default settings?
now what I wanted to do with my root is to have all the crap apps and useles stuff out of my phone, out of the manage app, all gone. Keeping the minimum. I guess software or program - I assume you guys call it "ROM".
Sorry, coming from a gamers, homebrew world - my word associate to Rom is video games lol.
so which rom, or is there a rom that has the basics only? Phone, Contacts, Voicemail, text msg, HTC Sense UI + android 2.1 (unless you guys got Froyo out as well????)
so therefor I can customize or add the apps I want...
Currently I have tried all sorts of things to keep my battery up and it seems I either am running high android system or cell standby.
I have done the cdma plr thing and forced closed, deleted alot of data and still phone last 8-12hrs. Have the stuff I wasnt sure what it was and left it alone.
thank you for helping this noob out.
lastly - whats up with the 4g lack of speed?
I have clear, my modem and usb is approx 4x faster than what the evo picks up! [/QUOTE]
1: If you root and want to return your phone just don't say anything. They can tell but I myself have returned rooted phones with no problem!
1b: yes you can put it back to stock. I know I saw it in the development section somewhere just use search its there and if it isn't it will anyday now!
as for different roms there are couple to choose from. And now with full root roms will be all over the development forum. Just keep looking and READ READ READ!! I am running the bugless beast with all bloatware removed and sense turned off. It is really smooth and good battery. Sorry but I'm in so cal so no 4 g for me.
Oh and by the way from what I've gathered xda is not in charge of roms for Evo there are just some great developers here that can make great roms and share them with us!! So if you do figure out root and find a good Rom donate the rev for his or her work!!
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[Q] Just un-rooted my EVO to apply 3.29 update... WHY ROOT NOW?

I feel bad but I just un-rooted my regaw_leinad rooted EVO using djR3Z method so I could apply the new update. I know there were other ways of doing it but it just seemed the more sensible way for a noob. I really wanted to root to get rid of that FPS cap anyways. I didn't do one single thing to my EVO while rooted besides download a screengrabber app that I didn't even use... I am still learning all about what is possible with root on Android, and until I find something totally mind blowing I think I'll keep stock.
Can anyone give me any reasons why I should have root besides custom roms??? I love the idea but not the headaches it gives me...
And, if custom roms are the big idea, what benefits will that give? Don't they run a little finicky anyways? Not all features are enabled, e.g. 4g?
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Just rooted again with unrEVOked 3.22 on Ubuntu 10.10.
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generalExpert said:
I feel bad but I just un-rooted my regaw_leinad rooted EVO using djR3Z method so I could apply the new update. I know there were other ways of doing it but it just seemed the more sensible way for a noob. I really wanted to root to get rid of that FPS cap anyways. I didn't do one single thing to my EVO while rooted besides download a screengrabber app that I didn't even use... I am still learning all about what is possible with root on Android, and until I find something totally mind blowing I think I'll keep stock.
Can anyone give me any reasons why I should have root besides custom roms??? I love the idea but not the headaches it gives me...
And, if custom roms are the big idea, what benefits will that give? Don't they run a little finicky anyways? Not all features are enabled, e.g. 4g?
Please list here.
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Custom ROMs are usually faster and have more features and customizations than the stock ROM. There are also tons of root-required apps that let you do crazy things to your phone like get free wireless hotspot, backup all of your apps with data and Market links, and change the apparent density of your display.

I'm somewhat of a noob and just made the switch.
WiFi tether
Remove some sprint apps
Custom boot animations
Like the above said, custom roms show a performance increase
Love the Quick Boot app
There are a bunch of threads around with more root apps you will most likely like.
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General, the benefit is freedom. if you waited a litttle bit you would already be able to flash the exact same rom rooted which is readily available. http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=653
Good luck though.

Also, rooting takes like 2 seconds now that unrEVOked Forever is out.

A rooted phone nets you more options. There's no drawback to it. Why not?

generalExpert said:
I feel bad but I just un-rooted my regaw_leinad rooted EVO using djR3Z method so I could apply the new update. I know there were other ways of doing it but it just seemed the more sensible way for a noob. I really wanted to root to get rid of that FPS cap anyways. I didn't do one single thing to my EVO while rooted besides download a screengrabber app that I didn't even use... I am still learning all about what is possible with root on Android, and until I find something totally mind blowing I think I'll keep stock.
Can anyone give me any reasons why I should have root besides custom roms??? I love the idea but not the headaches it gives me...
And, if custom roms are the big idea, what benefits will that give? Don't they run a little finicky anyways? Not all features are enabled, e.g. 4g?
Please list here.
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Not everyone roots their phone - just the people here So, if you feel no need to root your phone, then don't.
I'm not a power user or speed freak so uncapping the fps isn't a big issue for me. I originally rooted my phone so I could use wireless tether. I'm staying rooted because I can play around with my phone a little more - change the boot animation (and turn off the sound), remove the Sprint apps that I don't use but that turn off automatically, and back up my apps and data and monitor my battery usage.
The custom roms are a quick way for me to accomplish my needs. I don't really like the Sense UI (which surprised me because I always though it was great-looking), so the roms give alternative ways to set up my phone.

Help with OTA
Hey guys. Okay I saw there is a update on xda. I'm using unrevoked3. Do I need to delete Unrevoked or just download the zip file that was released. I'm talking about about the deodexed and rooted.Im still lost on how where to put the updated file at? Please if anyone is in my boat and have had good results please tell me,im a noob,beginner,novice.
There is got to be someone who can explain in plain english lol..
Thanks everyone

Yes, I do feel crappy about it... I wish I was still rooted. I know the rooted update was available, but just thought that the OG update would run a bit better..?.. I guess I wanted to unroot to learn how among other things too. Believe it or not, doing that taught me a lot about hboot and recovery. At least I know I can always root again.
And YES, I HATE SENSE!!! But, I was reading on Cyanogen that CM6 had problems with the 4g and had a few bugs. But that vanilla android look is what I want!
Also, when non-rooted, is there no recovery? I clicked back into it just to check and it gave me a red exclamation mark over a phone...

TheBiles said:
Custom ROMs are usually faster and have more features and customizations than the stock ROM. There are also tons of root-required apps that let you do crazy things to your phone like get free wireless hotspot, backup all of your apps with data and Market links, and change the apparent density of your display.
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Hey, thanks for the info... But along with all of the "Customness" and features aren't there also, bugs that go along with it? Like random reboots, and battery issues, and some other stuff?
Yes I love hacking stuff and know that this is all part of the fun, but I think I just need to research a little more. If you can't tell already I'm kind of paranoid about screwing things up. I rooted and really wanted to flash CM6 but didn't have the balls to. Maybe in a month or so i'll redo it.

generalExpert said:
Hey, thanks for the info... But along with all of the "Customness" and features aren't there also, bugs that go along with it? Like random reboots, and battery issues, and some other stuff?
Yes I love hacking stuff and know that this is all part of the fun, but I think I just need to research a little more. If you can't tell already I'm kind of paranoid about screwing things up. I rooted and really wanted to flash CM6 but didn't have the balls to. Maybe in a month or so i'll redo it.
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Most of the custom ROMs are very stable and have better battery life than the stock ROM. As long as you make a nandroid backup there is ZERO risk to flashing a new ROM (assuming you don't like pull the battery out while flashing or something), so you can try one out for a few hours, and if you don't like it you can instantly go back to what you had before. Simple as pie. Give the major ones a whirl and see what you like. I know that there are some HTC ROMs themed to look like CM6 that have working 4G.

I also avoid cm6 because of the lack of 4g. Instead I use Vaelpak because it has minimal sense but enough so I can have my 4g. I'm thinking of trying Virus' mostly senseless rom.
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generalExpert said:
But that vanilla android look is what I want!
Also, when non-rooted, is there no recovery? I clicked back into it just to check and it gave me a red exclamation mark over a phone...
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When you mention the vanilla android look, what exactly are you referring to?
Is it the Vanilla theme and icons? -De-Odex roms would allow for custom themes that give the vanilla android look i.e. MrPuffin's Vanilla AOSP and Vanilla theme for Sense UI
Is it the android launcher? -Launcher Pro and ADW launcher are quite nice replacements to the Sense launcher
I'd think that if you didn't like the HTC Sense look, you would have kept root and just themed your phone to look Vanilla. Then again, it all comes down to what you believe provides the best user experience.
And regarding recovery, I believe Clockwork and Amon Ra require root.

mizzos4 said:
When you mention the vanilla android look, what exactly are you referring to?
Is it the Vanilla theme and icons? -De-Odex roms would allow for custom themes that give the vanilla android look i.e. MrPuffin's Vanilla AOSP and Vanilla theme for Sense UI
Is it the android launcher? -Launcher Pro and ADW launcher are quite nice replacements to the Sense launcher
I'd think that if you didn't like the HTC Sense look, you would have kept root and just themed your phone to look Vanilla. Then again, it all comes down to what you believe provides the best user experience.
And regarding recovery, I believe Clockwork and Amon Ra require root.
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Yes, by Vanilla Android i'm talkin Nexus One. Those themes look pretty good though. I'm already jonsen for root again and it's only been a half day.
Launcher Pro? Doesn't that just overlay Sense and therefore cause a bit of a slow down, use more memory, and possibly more battery. (probably not noticeable though..)
Yes, Clockwork and Amon_Ra require root. I was just wondering if there was a recovery in NON-ROOTED. When I'm in a non-rooted EVO at hboot, and select Recovery I get that red Exclamation mark over the phone and have to pull the battery.
Thanks for all your help!

Whoa thr new kernel allows up to 53 fps but std is 8+... on netarchys' kernel it was about 54 - 56 with a std of 4... at least that is how it behaves on mine.
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halorin said:
A rooted phone nets you more options. There's no drawback to it. Why not?
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there may be security drawbacks to those that are not cautious with the apps they install.
generalExpert said:
I feel bad but I just un-rooted my <EvO>.
I really wanted to root to get rid of that FPS cap anyways.
I didn't do one single thing to my EVO while rooted besides download a screengrabber app that I didn't even use
Can anyone give me any reasons why I should have root besides custom roms??? I love the idea but not the headaches it gives me...
And, if custom roms are the big idea, what benefits will that give? Don't they run a little finicky anyways? Not all features are enabled, e.g. 4g?
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- why feel bad?
- if the next statement is true, then the FPS cap must not have been an issue; else you would have done a google search on the issue and corrected it.
- if this statement is true, why feel bad?
- i dont find the need for so many custom ROMs (not like back when i was running on WinMo6). once you have 'root', adding/removing apps is straightforward and most of the ROMs are just a "here is my theme and apps, it's built on someone else who did the low level tweaking". custom ROM just makes it easier to get closer to what YOU want for an applist and themelayout. i like cm6 and dont' like theme's so life is easy for me.
- CM6 is AOSP. this means they will not use propriarty code (like Sense). for the EVO it also means the 4G radio software has to be written from scratch since there is no opensource 4G stuff to use yet. if you pick a Sense based rom (ie: anythign that doesn't refer to itself as CM6 or AOSP based).
Note: AOSP Like means that it is a Sense based ROM but it's been made to look/act similar to the CM6 or AOSP ROMs. 4G and Radio and such should work normally.
enjoy the free time associated with being Root-less.

Well, I'm re-rooted. Used the unrEVOked method. It was just so easy, there was no reason not to. Really want to get on cyanogen but waiting for the 4g.
sent from my bad-ass EVO!

[Q] Question about Rooting and installing a ROM..

My name is Andy. I have had the EVO for about a month, and think it is time to start messing around with it a little more, so being I have never done anything like this, I had a few questions so I fully understand whats going on so I can fix it if I mess something up haha....sorry if they are noob questions haha I'm just trying to learn...
Ok, so I have been doing much research on rooting and rom'ing my eVo. I already have it rooted, with unrevoked3. I read somewhere that unrevoked3 isn't a complete root...is this true? and if so how to I do a complete root so I can use the ROM that is mentioned below...?
Now the NooB question of "What ROM is best?"
***I know it is more a personal opinion, and what features you want bla bla, but what ROM has proven to work the best with the EVO (aka removing programs that aren't needed/battery life/speed/UI runs smooth and also looks good...ect.)?
I was looking on a post about the BakedSnack 1.7 ROM. Does anybody have any input on this ROM...Likes or Dislikes? I Like a lot of the things this ROM sais it has/does, so thats why im trying that one but am I getting the BETA 9.7? And does it have many bugs?
And, in this thread, it talks about all the different Kernals you can get. I was wondering, will the processor in the eVo support the 1.267GHz overclock?

Different opinion
Ok, once again, it is all personal preference, but i like Ava froyo v8. It is extremely fast, a day and a half of battery, and on the modified Rosie, app drawer is where the phone used to be. Once again, preference.
About unrevoked, 3.2.1 gives you full root but doesn't give you engineering boot. Anything earlier than 3.2.1 only gives you half root. You if you only have half root, use unrevoked forever or just use 3.2.1. Ask me if you have any more questions as i would be glad to help you.

Thanks for the input.
Couple things I noticed...
This ROM comes with 3 different types of keyboards, but how do you use them? I've checked them, but cant seem to figure out how to use them in a text or what not. Any help?
There is a box to check to change the notitification bar, but it doesn't seem to change anything around when I reboot. Also when I check or uncheck, it askes me if I would like to reboot and if I click yes, it doesn't actually do anything.
I have noticed that when I check the box that is to "Show compass in Maps", it wont stay selected....??
Any help would be awesome!!
Thanks

[Q] Possible 3d/cpu hardware issue? Need help with diagnostics

Hi,
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I'm totally new to android and even to embedded systems and new to this forum. There are plenty information about everything, but there are no simple answers for my needs.
First of all, I'm quite happy as a linux developer to have android system. I've imagined it quite different (NDK is without GUI api, only SDK is good for application development and this means Java, not C++, rooting without exchanging flash and so on), but I'm still happy after using Symbian and WM6. The only two things I would like to do with the phone right now are:
1. 2 way call recording
2. permroot
But why I'm posting this...
Ad 1. Only easy solution I've seen for two way call recording is to flash everything with LeeDroid for example. There are big disadvantages - no further updates of the system (android 2.3), some reports that LeeDroid isn't perfect (I don't know that those rumours are true, but I've seen speed complains and some strange behaviors) and so on.
Ad 2. Here I would like to ask that AMT is a good way to do it (I mean "automagically") with below device description:
Device Model: Desire HD
Bootloader Version: 0.85.0007 SHIP HBOOT
Radio Version: 26.03.02.26_M
ROM Version: 1.32.405.6
Android Version: 2.2
CID: HTC__032
and secondly - why should I bother about S-OFF (what is this exactly? I dodn't get it right after reading about flashing), what is HBOOT, how exactly booting works, I mean... not for noob, more clearer for adv. linux user.
Best thing to achieve for me would be rooting (with r/w on the system mount) and a driver for two way recording without messing with the rest of supplied system/kernel/roms/etc... Or alternatively - can any of you convince me that LeeDroid or other "flashing package" is better than nandroid and won't beak anything in my phone?
I'm sorry for (as I suppose) another doubtful/stupid post, but I really need to know what all this means for the phone before doing anything smart/stupid, and the thousands of posts around are not very helpful yet (few days of reading).

I had the same problem, well almost I didn't think about any specific advantages of rooting my DHD and flashing custom ROM, I was just affraid that I might break sth. Seriously, LeeDroid is an awesome ROM, I use it on a daily basis with no problems. For now everything has been working way better than on standard stock ROM. If you need convincing than, let me tell you this. With LeeDroid you get all the stuff you have on stock ROM + many many many more and the OS doesn't lag like the standard one does, you get Rosie, HTC Sense 3.0, CPU OC...and the list goes on. If you read enough about rooting and flashing ROMs than belive me, it's easy. Also about updates, these are available through ROM manager which is included in the ROM.

krzych said:
The only two things I would like to do with the phone right now are:
1. 2 way call recording
2. permroot
But why I'm posting this...
Ad 1. Only easy solution I've seen for two way call recording is to flash everything with LeeDroid for example. There are big disadvantages - no further updates of the system (android 2.3), some reports that LeeDroid isn't perfect (I don't know that those rumours are true, but I've seen speed complains and some strange behaviors) and so on.
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LordMOD's kernel for AOSP allows for two way recording without all the SENSE crap that comes with LeeDroid, if you want a ROM with LordMOD kernel you could do worse than try HydrOG3n MOD
krzych said:
Ad 2. Here I would like to ask that AMT is a good way to do it (I mean "automagically") with below device description:
Device Model: Desire HD
Bootloader Version: 0.85.0007 SHIP HBOOT
Radio Version: 26.03.02.26_M
ROM Version: 1.32.405.6
Android Version: 2.2
CID: HTC__032
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Follow instructions here
krzych said:
and secondly - why should I bother about S-OFF (what is this exactly? I dodn't get it right after reading about flashing), what is HBOOT, how exactly booting works, I mean... not for noob, more clearer for adv. linux user.
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Your /system is currently in read only mode, without S-OFF (Security off) you are unable to change that and thus are unable to make permanent changes to /system, you can make changes but they are cached in RAM thus a reboot reverts them. Achieving S-OFF allows the /system to be written thus changes are permanent
HBOOT is analogous with BIOS on a pc, this controls the security status of your DHD, thus to achieve S-OFF you must replace the HBOOT with one that allows the security to be deactivated, there is a similar system protecting the Radios (there appears to be a backup radio, thus if flashing goes wrong the radio can run off the backup) hence you can also have Radio S-OFF.
krzych said:
Best thing to achieve for me would be rooting (with r/w on the system mount) and a driver for two way recording without messing with the rest of supplied system/kernel/roms/etc... Or alternatively - can any of you convince me that LeeDroid or other "flashing package" is better than nandroid and won't beak anything in my phone?
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I wont recommend LeeDroid, and you need the Kernel modules to allow two way recording so either install cm7 or another AOSP based ROM and then one of LordMOD kernels or HydrOG3n MOD
krzych said:
I'm sorry for (as I suppose) another doubtful/stupid post, but I really need to know what all this means for the phone before doing anything smart/stupid, and the thousands of posts around are not very helpful yet (few days of reading).
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A good starting thread is this one and don't worry we where all noobs once.

May I ask why exactly wouldn't you recommend LeeDroid? I've been using it for some time now with no problems whatsoever. Unless there is sth about this ROM that I don't know. I'm happy with Sense 3.0 (Rosie), it's smooth, doesn't lag, looks nice unlike some custom launchers.

Ghostofcain, thank you very much for quite a nice introduction. I can only ask the same thing to clarify what's really not nice in LeeDroid as haerigrek mentioned, and one of forgotten thing yesterday:
Can you describe me exactly how it works and if it's possible to completely backup whole hboot, radio and system to be _sure_ I can reverse all changes at any time assuming I won't brick the phone? (I think it will be something about clockwork, but I'm still confused)
And maybe anyone can post me most terrible or most often done brick reasons... to be more aware and maybe to be sure it's... safe if done right.
And in the meantime I will read all the links supplied here, so be sure any further posting will be read by me and is needed, but it will take some time before I speak again (busy week/weekend/next week but still, I plan to know something next weekend).

krzych said:
Ghostofcain, thank you very much for quite a nice introduction. I can only ask the same thing to clarify what's really not nice in LeeDroid as haerigrek mentioned, and one of forgotten thing yesterday:
Can you describe me exactly how it works and if it's possible to completely backup whole hboot, radio and system to be _sure_ I can reverse all changes at any time assuming I won't brick the phone? (I think it will be something about clockwork, but I'm still confused)
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Problem with LeeDroid, in one word SENSE! If i wanted bling that slowed my phone down I'd have bought an iPhone, seriously a decent AOSP based ROM comes in at 70-80mb LeeDroid (and other SENSE polluted ROMS) 230-260mb and most of that is bloat I don't want. If you like SENSE and use all it's features by all means give it a whirl, but if you don't go for something a little lighter.
Depending on what ROM your currently running (OUK, Vodafone etc) your best bet if anything went wrong would be to restore with the appropriate RUU, which will put your phone back to Stock i.e Hboot, radio etc. Bricking the phone is actually very hard , even intentionally and until you've flashed the HBoot is prevented by S-OFF, when you have S-OFF be sure to carry out a NANDROID backup (which takes a system snapshot which can subsequently be restored reverting all changes you have made since) before you flash anything which will allow you to revert to your stock rooted ROM. In the main have fun

I agree with ghostofcain 125%.
Paradoxxx's 1.3.1 Benchmark Edition weighs in at an amazing 53MB. I have larger audio files. And yet it still does everything I need- Phone, email, sms, web & XDA.

So what you guys say is that it's a choice between a SENSE/NON-SENSE ROM. I mean seriously, I like SENSE, it does e'thing I need and more, and it looks nice, and I can't say anything bad about LeeDroid ROMs apart from the 3.1.7 Kernel which didn't have 2way call recording.

haerigrek said:
So what you guys say is that it's a choice between a SENSE/NON-SENSE ROM. I mean seriously, I like SENSE, it does e'thing I need and more, and it looks nice, and I can't say anything bad about LeeDroid ROMs apart from the 3.1.7 Kernel which didn't have 2way call recording.
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if your a fan of SENSE stick with LeeDroid and you wont be disappointed, but if you regard SENSE as a disease to be eradicated look elsewhere.

Ok, now big picture looks more clear, but one thing to ask yet - where to find a page/thread that compares functionalities of some (most decent) mods if I decide to say good bye to HTC Sense...? I think it is crucial to have a good mail client, move/sound player, calendar, messaging, dialer, sliding gui, home screen with widgets (or something at least like start screen in WM - capable of informing, having status icons/bars etc.) or maybe even alarm clock ;-P :-D. I don't know what's inside Sense and what's outside (or what's possible to install free(ly) in android without Sense) and wikipedia says that all major apps are in it which I pointed out above.
There should be free conferences with possiblity of touching mods by yourself in person ;-D
From my experiences with Touch HD - yep, TouchFLO was slow, but it was also somehow better than bare WM. I used phone without, but at last, I turned it back on just because of missing convenient way to use all of the phone features. I hope not to flash a phone with something not convenient, coz flashing will scare **** out of me (no matter of a knowledge while doing), and I would prefer this situation happened only once :-D
PS. I hope that saying "sense" by you had nothing to do with proximity sensing? (or other sensors ;-) )... noob... noob... noob... :-D

krzych said:
Ok, now big picture looks more clear, but one thing to ask yet - where to find a page/thread that compares functionalities of some (most decent) mods if I decide to say good bye to HTC Sense...? I think it is crucial to have a good mail client, move/sound player, calendar, messaging, dialer, sliding gui, home screen with widgets (or something at least like start screen in WM - capable of informing, having status icons/bars etc.) or maybe even alarm clock ;-P :-D. I don't know what's inside Sense and what's outside (or what's possible to install free(ly) in android without Sense) and wikipedia says that all major apps are in it which I pointed out above.
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If you flash a decent AOSP based ROM, the only functionality that you will lose is internet pass through (that is the ability to use your pc as a modem for your phone to connect to the internet) and the sense.com features but my experience and comments from others lead me to believe that sense.com is still very flaky. All other features are working as in the standard rom, granted SENSE widgets are not available but AFAIK they are all replicated by others, mainly, freely available on the market. All the examples you quote are still filled with the standard google apps, if there is any app / widget you need a definitive answer on PM me and I will have a look.

i don't know why I believe you just like that, but it's the fact ;-P :-D
Ok, to be completely sure, the interface (mean sliding, widgets and so on) is not HTC created or not part of a Sense UI? I'm digging this because on WM phone the "manila.exe" was the whole UI, not just a part of it and only way to speedup anything was to block it permanently. As far as I understood you till now, this is not the case of android UI, removing Sense will have no visible consequences as you suggests, right?
And I will ask again, anyone have a clue where can I go to see those roms in action? Pictures/videos/dunno... anything
Many thanks to you Ghostofcain

krzych said:
i don't know why I believe you just like that, but it's the fact ;-P :-D
Ok, to be completely sure, the interface (mean sliding, widgets and so on) is not HTC created or not part of a Sense UI? I'm digging this because on WM phone the "manila.exe" was the whole UI, not just a part of it and only way to speedup anything was to block it permanently. As far as I understood you till now, this is not the case of android UI, removing Sense will have no visible consequences as you suggests, right?
And I will ask again, anyone have a clue where can I go to see those roms in action? Pictures/videos/dunno... anything
Many thanks to you Ghostofcain
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Not quite, stopping SENSE will stop the SENSE widgets from functioning but a quick look in the market will let you find widgets that replicate the SENSE widgets function, and also there are many android widgets built in that do not rely on sense.
Video's
CyanogenMOD 7
LeeDroid
RCmixHD
Android Revolution HD
iOS, sorry Miui
Virtuous Fusion
Kingdom Gingersense
CoreDroid
Official Gingerbread
Comparison betwixt cm7 v Stock

Now you're my hero :-D. I'm still burried under applications (tons of it, just found VNC server which is a must for a almost-blind man as me ;-) ), but since this is almost enough what I already have, next step will be reading alot and watching alot as I see above. And those widgets are not important. Some may be even quite good, but still - the applications are what matters, even if I had only app links it would be enough with some of them, and with those more important I bet there are many substitutes maybe even better.
You're my local hero now . I hope I will have a chance to get even some day :-D
PS. Yup! I've even found "thanks" button! ;-D

No worries mate just trying to help a fellow user out, actually I was quite shocked at the lack of info on the videos that I could find on XDA, oh well that's sorted anyhow

Had leedroid earlier on my desire, but went for a aosp rom and i dont regret, its so much better.
Cyanogenmod is a very popular rom.
Sent from my HTC Desire

Hmm, its bad. After watching those movies, I think, I really like Sense. I'm not a speed freak definitely, but I like to have nice interface with as low power consumption as possible, but not at the sake of convenience. I've not decided yet, but as far as I watched it seems that Non-Sense ( ;-) ) mods has not quite mature GUIs... I have to google more videos, but not right now.
There's a thread which points out how to save power in which the author says to install CurrentWidget to see current output and he guarantees that this CurrentWidget does not drain the energy. In the same post he claims that Sense drains much if you don't remove your HTC account. It's funny coz I still have this account (only disabled sync, but with sync enabled it's not much a difference) and checked what he said. The results were VERY funny. Sense drains less than CurrentWidget, and CurrentWidget drains MUCH more than Cellphone in a standby! :-D I think I won't listen to this thread. Am I only person who noticed such a behaviour? (just to recall everyone - still on froyo, decided not to upgrade until permroot)
I need to have an info how to _really_ discover my actual froyo before I do a mod to have real data to compare gains and loss. As far as I see even here, most of the opinions are rather not authoritative I think (coz I can proove that my phone does not match).
Anyone has the idea about really good software package (I mean few really tested applications) to log system activity, power consumption, network activity and so on? I would be really happy to know anything _for_sure_. Best would be all in one app to save cpu processing while logging things.

Anyone had issues with Google Earth resetting phone? 8-O i was shocked, reset occured to me once but as far as I remember, i did that time much suspicius things, but yesterday, Google Earth reset my phone just like that (not much apps in background, only "strange" thing was that battery had 15% which is a limit to shout on me to connect charger, but whole system was fresh and steady).
Ok, I've decided that this weekend will be the last of the original unstable software. Some apps can reset the phone, so I hope that LeeDroid will help. Why LeeDroid? I just like the way of Sense, but I will not prefer it. If LeeDroid will not be enough, I will try best without Sense, but not without tests of Gingerbread and new Sense.
The results will be described here (I mean results of flashing), and then some time will pass to evaluate and then I'll be happy or I'll be describing a new try ;-). So, wish me luck this weekend ;-P :-D
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Done. Radio S-OFF, Eng S-OFF, SuperCID, ClockworkMod. Ready to flash LeeDroid HD to check if it's what I want.
If anyone knows that there is better mod incorporating Sense 3 in more elegant, original or so, way then I would be happy to hear about it. I'm considering checking Android Revolution HD too, but I don't know that I will have time for this... (setting up everything again is a pain...), so I need opinions. Any opinions. And don't tell me that it is a matter of preferences - just strict facts like "AR has this, LD hasn't" - I can judge by myself that it's a feature or a bug ;-).
But I'm already grateful to all people that helped me to understand what I just did to my phone. Thank you all .
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Now I know, maybe it's good for other noobs, so I will say loudly what I've read or heard and is hard to find here in one place... (correct me if I'm wrong)
* Eng S-OFF is not necessary for all. It just enables USB flashing as far as I know comparing to Radio S-OFF (but both enables flashing roms).
* Radio flashing has nothing to do with call recording (if I was told correctly), it's just an upgrade for hardware, can improve few things like power consumption or range.
I still do not know how permroot was achieved (I just ran Visionary+ - it "rages" the cache - exploit, but I do not know how it achieves permroot in contrast to temproot - probably it has something to do with mounting /system r/w and changing 'something', but I'm not sure - just deducing).
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Hi again in this newbie thread. I'm not a newbie already, but I still have a problem. And if I'm not wrong, it's a bigger one. I told you already about google earth rebooting my phone. I just noticed AndroidKnight did the same and came here to recall if this was like same situation. Almost. When 3D goes mad, phone reboots...
Now... what I think and why some roms were instable... A hardware issue? Too low voltage because of faulty cpu or something? Anyone can help me diagnose this?
To be continued...

Best Simply ROM For T-Mo GS3

Hey there. I bought my wife a GS3 for T-Mo off of Craigslist, and it has an AOKP jellybean ROM on it. I personally like the ROM, but my wife complains about certain bugs, and doesn't use much (if any) of the customization features.
I don't want to flash it back to stock as I think Samsungs interface is junk.
Can anyone please recommend a very simple, relatively bug free custom ROM to flash?
Thanks for the help!

what type of "custom" "bug free" rom, like no TouchWiz? look at my signature there is a resource guide I have created. What are the bugs she doesn't like maybe we can eliminate them, or you can update her phone so she doesn't have them...

I tried a few then ended up on this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1750270
The reason I've stayed with it is I haven't had any problems and I can use Nova launcher with it.
Once I find out which Jelly Bean ROM will work well with PDroid, I will switch to that.

@OP, if you can turn this into a "Let's fix my wife's phone issues" thread, I'll leave it open. If it stays as a Best ROM thread then it'll get locked (they always turn into "whip it out and see who's is better" threads).
Like mt3g said, what issues is she having? Also like he said, go to the Bible (stuck in the General section) and you'll get a good synopsis of what is going on around the Development section.
Wives can be a tricky bunch. Mine is running a custom AOSP on her SGS2 that I tweaked out myself. While it is 99% stable, she'll find that 1% wrong and I'll fix it and move on to another issue. Sometimes for fun, I take a bootanimation.zip and load into her /data/local and the next time she reboots, it throws her off a bit. Now she is pretty savvy at all this, so I usually get a text shortly after. One time I put a screen shot of my SGS3 on her wall and moved all her icons to another page. That one really messed her head up. She screws with my tablet when I am not home, so she knows how the game works.
What I am saying is that you/we can probably solve most of her issues if you let us know what they are.

Woody said:
Wives can be a tricky bunch. Mine is running a custom AOSP on her SGS2 that I tweaked out myself. While it is 99% stable, she'll find that 1% wrong and I'll fix it and move on to another issue. Sometimes for fun, I take a bootanimation.zip and load into her /data/local and the next time she reboots, it throws her off a bit. Now she is pretty savvy at all this, so I usually get a text shortly after. One time I put a screen shot of my SGS3 on her wall and moved all her icons to another page. That one really messed her head up. She screws with my tablet when I am not home, so she knows how the game works.
What I am saying is that you/we can probably solve most of her issues if you let us know what they are.
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That is awesome, I'm going to be messing with all my friends now, thanks.
critofur said:
I tried a few then ended up on this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1750270
The reason I've stayed with it is I haven't had any problems and I can use Nova launcher with it.
Once I find out which Jelly Bean ROM will work well with PDroid, I will switch to that.
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You could use Nova Launcher with any and every rom my friend available, for our device at least.

Woody said:
@OP, if you can turn this into a "Let's fix my wife's phone issues" thread, I'll leave it open. If it stays as a Best ROM thread then it'll get locked (they always turn into "whip it out and see who's is better" threads).
Like mt3g said, what issues is she having? Also like he said, go to the Bible (stuck in the General section) and you'll get a good synopsis of what is going on around the Development section.
Wives can be a tricky bunch. Mine is running a custom AOSP on her SGS2 that I tweaked out myself. While it is 99% stable, she'll find that 1% wrong and I'll fix it and move on to another issue. Sometimes for fun, I take a bootanimation.zip and load into her /data/local and the next time she reboots, it throws her off a bit. Now she is pretty savvy at all this, so I usually get a text shortly after. One time I put a screen shot of my SGS3 on her wall and moved all her icons to another page. That one really messed her head up. She screws with my tablet when I am not home, so she knows how the game works.
What I am saying is that you/we can probably solve most of her issues if you let us know what they are.
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Yeah...I didn't mean to start a "best ROM" thread as I know how annoying those can be. I understand that some ROM's can be a bit buggy, and thats a trade off most of us are willing to live with to have the latest features and customizations. To better rephrase my question, I am not looking for the "most stable" ROM. I'm looking for any option, whether it be tweeking some settings, or flashing a new ROM. My wife is completely phone illiterate compared to most of us on this website. She uses all the features on her phone, but thats it. She loves AOKP because she can make her font pink...lol.
The main three issues she has are below.
1. Turns off randomly on its own
2. When she hits the power button to wake up the phone, the light up haptic buttons at the bottom of the the phone light up, but the screen doesn't go on. At this point she is forced to pull the battery to restart the phone and get the screen working.
3. Phone freezes quite often

rehughe said:
Yeah...I didn't mean to start a "best ROM" thread as I know how annoying those can be. I understand that some ROM's can be a bit buggy, and thats a trade off most of us are willing to live with to have the latest features and customizations. To better rephrase my question, I am not looking for the "most stable" ROM. I'm looking for any option, whether it be tweeking some settings, or flashing a new ROM. My wife is completely phone illiterate compared to most of us on this website. She uses all the features on her phone, but thats it. She loves AOKP because she can make her font pink...lol.
The main three issues she has are below.
1. Turns off randomly on its own
2. When she hits the power button to wake up the phone, the light up haptic buttons at the bottom of the the phone light up, but the screen doesn't go on. At this point she is forced to pull the battery to restart the phone and get the screen working.
3. Phone freezes quite often
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I would suggest wiping phone and or maybe installing a different rom/ kernel combo... that all sounds like a kernel issue. Get her phone and go to Settings>about phone> and tell me android version, Kernel Version, AOKP Version.
She can have her font pink on a stock based rom as well... does she use BlueTooth?
If not I suggest updating to the latest of Mike's rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2037028 it is 4.2.1 it is mostly Cm-10.1, but with his and DjIntrigue's cherry picks and little fixes here and there. They're switching to AOKP for the most part on Friday with a new release.

Android Version: 4.1.1
Kernel: 3.0.43-cyanogenmod-faux123-att-tmo-g43de6e3 [email protected]) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Oct 1 02:39:01 CEST 2012
AOKP Version: aokp_d2tmo_jb_build-4
If I flash to a new ROM would you recommend trying a different kernel?
Thanks for the help!

I recommend not try a new kernel mostly. If all else fails go to a stock based ROM TouchWiz isn't too bad. I prefer aosp based roms but not all phones are created equal. Yours not liking the kernel can more then likely be fixed by raising the deep sleep MHz but that'll result in not so great battery life.
T-Mobile SGS III

Ok...thanks a lot. I'll give the suggested ROM a try.
Thanks again!

rehughe said:
Ok...thanks a lot. I'll give the suggested ROM a try.
Thanks again!
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Welcome.
T-Mobile SGS III

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2070955

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952263
Check this out, Jamison is one of the best!!
rehughe said:
Hey there. I bought my wife a GS3 for T-Mo off of Craigslist, and it has an AOKP jellybean ROM on it. I personally like the ROM, but my wife complains about certain bugs, and doesn't use much (if any) of the customization features.
I don't want to flash it back to stock as I think Samsungs interface is junk.
Can anyone please recommend a very simple, relatively bug free custom ROM to flash?
Thanks for the help!
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Sorry, def not trying to get this thread locked, posted before I read, won't happen again!
Chefedogg said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952263
Check this out, Jamison is one of the best!!
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Or you c. Try this one
This is a really nice ROM, and stable!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2014442