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HTC Desire can only connects "G" instead of "H".. a problem with device?

HTC Desire can only connects "G" instead of "H".. a problem with device?
Since the last few days, my Htc desire can only connects on GPRS aka "G" connections, can't no longer on "H" HSDPA 3G..
I thought this was the cell provider connection issue but, when I put my HTC HD2 next to it using exact same cell provider, the HD2 can still connect on "H" HSDPA..
I made sure the option of "connect thru GSM/WCDMA" is ticked, so my htc desire is set to connect not just gsm.
would this be a device problem on the Desire?
Cheers

I am seeing weird stuff with my desire as well. At first, when I got a data bundle woth Jimmobile (Belgium) I could only connect to the EDGE network. I didn't think much of it, because I thought that was a provider limitation. Then I just checked the use only WCDMA and it connected using HSDPA. I was surprised because when I switched it back to automatic, it chooses EDGE. I had this for a week or two. And now it suddenly grabs HSDPA all of a sudden and almost all the time.. I have decided to just roll with it. It doesn't make sense to me.. I doubt it will at any time.

djind said:
I am seeing weird stuff with my desire as well. At first, when I got a data bundle woth Jimmobile (Belgium) I could only connect to the EDGE network. I didn't think much of it, because I thought that was a provider limitation. Then I just checked the use only WCDMA and it connected using HSDPA. I was surprised because when I switched it back to automatic, it chooses EDGE. I had this for a week or two. And now it suddenly grabs HSDPA all of a sudden and almost all the time.. I have decided to just roll with it. It doesn't make sense to me.. I doubt it will at any time.
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Thanks for your input.. yes indeed.. weird..
Not sure if removing the battery and let the device off for a while then put the battery back n switch the device on will resolve the problem, but I will try that..
This weirdness, a nuisance coz Gprs is slow

Maybe take a look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656192
You might find something useful.

My problem is that I'm almost nowhere getting any quality 3G/H signal, especially in buildings, where my old N73 got full bar 3G. I'm working on Gprs or Edge if lucky with the Desire. Very, Very disappointing to say at least. This has nothing to do with Wifi here.

Dont compare the "bars" ... they are just UI/graphics.
Check the speed and reliability.
What I noted ... when you activate mobile data (from OFF to ON), it will take some times (like 30 - 60 seconds) to connect. This may vary on different mobile operators.
Balos said:
My problem is that I'm almost nowhere getting any quality 3G/H signal, especially in buildings, where my old N73 got full bar 3G. I'm working on Gprs or Edge if lucky with the Desire. Very, Very disappointing to say at least. This has nothing to do with Wifi here.
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look what I just got. Are they serious?
hank you for contacting HTC. Please try below troubleshooting steps: 1-Go to : Menu>settings>Wireless controls>mobile networke>Network operators>choose your network manually Menu>settings>Wireless controls>airplane mode> turn it on Menu>settings>Wireless controls>air plane mode> turn it off 2-Try another SIM CARD from another Network. If you have any other inquiries, don’t hesitate to contact us again. Please note that you can contact us via support line. For further details, please go to http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx , Thank you so much for using HTC products. Respect & Regards, HTC Team http://www.htc.com
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My Desire can connect to H without any problem.
Perhaps wonky batch?

It can connect, when the signal is strong enough, like on the open. But thats way worse what my other Nokia 5230 can do with the same signal strength. It connects in the deepest and darkest hole.

gogol said:
Dont compare the "bars" ... they are just UI/graphics.
Check the speed and reliability.
What I noted ... when you activate mobile data (from OFF to ON), it will take some times (like 30 - 60 seconds) to connect. This may vary on different mobile operators.
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I set it to WCDMA only. It got 3G 0-1 bar. No data transfer and some seconds later it showed a big fat X.

Balos said:
It can connect, when the signal is strong enough, like on the open. But thats way worse what my other Nokia 5230 can do with the same signal strength. It connects in the deepest and darkest hole.
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Haha
Nokia 5230 : When you need to update your twitter while in Shelobs lair!
Made for Hobbits by Finns!

Use only 2G networks.

I have a problem with setting android to only use 2G networks. I can tick an option under settings "Use only 2G networks" but after i leave the settings menu it gets "unticked" again threfore i,m constantly on 3G which wouldn't be a problem but in the areas where there is no 3G signal android loses signal and wont connect to 2G network. I can turn off 3G under winmo tof orce android to only use 2G networks but it takes time. My question is can anyone successfully setup their android to use only 2G networks?

Same Problem
I´m having the same problem and for me it´s worse because it drain my battery really fast (don´t last more than 4 hours).
Could somebody please fix it as soon as possible because this way is really difficult to use android as main OS.
When I put a Sim Card that doesn´t have 3g I don´t have this battery problem.
I hope somebody could help me with this problem.

could someone please look into this? 3G kills my tilt realy fast too. this is the only thing stoping my from using android as my main os.

odz said:
could someone please look into this? 3G kills my tilt realy fast too. this is the only thing stoping my from using android as my main os.
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Try this:
$ su
# rwsystem
# nano system/build.prop
Find the part that says something about default_network=0. Try changing it to 1. Save with dpad-center+x, then y and enter.
# rosystem
Restart your phone to have it take effect. I'm currently trying out the value 3 which is "use GSM or WCDMA, whichever provides the strongest signal" and it seems to work better for me. Before I often had switched to Roaming after calls and somethings loosing connection completely, but I have only tested it for a short time so I'm not 100% sure if it helped or not.
Next release will include scripts to change this and some other things easily.
Oh, and the value 1 is supposed to be "GSM only" so it might help.

kallt_kaffe said:
Try this:
$ su
# rwsystem
# nano system/build.prop
Find the part that says something about default_network=0. Try changing it to 1. Save with dpad-center+x, then y and enter.
# rosystem
Restart your phone to have it take effect. I'm currently trying out the value 3 which is "use GSM or WCDMA, whichever provides the strongest signal" and it seems to work better for me. Before I often had switched to Roaming after calls and somethings loosing connection completely, but I have only tested it for a short time so I'm not 100% sure if it helped or not.
Next release will include scripts to change this and some other things easily.
Oh, and the value 1 is supposed to be "GSM only" so it might help.
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Kalt, should we change this "ro.telephony.default-network=0"? to "1"
If so, it didn't work for me . I'm still on 3G.

-Arturo- said:
Kalt, should we change this "ro.telephony.default-network=0"? to "1"
If so, it didn't work for me . I'm still on 3G.
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Yes that's the one. Well, getting information about the settings in build.prop isn't easy. I'm don't know if the information I found was a fact or just a guess.

kallt_kaffe said:
Yes that's the one. Well, getting information about the settings in build.prop isn't easy. I'm don't know if the information I found was a fact or just a guess.
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Kalt does this issue also occur while running Android from Nand?

HELP!!!
I have tried everything here and still no 2G. I love android but battery life sucks. There has to be a way to force 2G all the time. 3G is great but if batterylife will suffer so badly I want to turn it off perminently. Does anyone know how to do this? I'm using VaniljEclair RLS7c and I have been messing with the scrips in the update and still nothing after reeboot.

Takiyon said:
I have tried everything here and still no 2G. I love android but battery life sucks. There has to be a way to force 2G all the time. 3G is great but if batterylife will suffer so badly I want to turn it off perminently. Does anyone know how to do this? I'm using VaniljEclair RLS7c and I have been messing with the scrips in the update and still nothing after reeboot.
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I have tried everything too with almost all builds (1.6 2.1 and 2.2). My opinion is that ro.telephony.default-network command do not work on Kaiser. If ro.telephony.default-network is removed from build.prop nothing happens. Maybe TelephonyPprovider.apk is something to do with 2G 3G switching.

Bump... Please someone help us!! There has to be some hack we can try.

Please help us!!!

I agree,
Would be great to be able to force certain networks. If you look at the power usage/ per network the faster the network the more power it consumes. I'd like to be able to by default use the low speed and switch it to fast when I'm really using the phone. My EVO has a 4G widget switch. If it didn't the phone would be worthless to me as 4G in my area is not great. 2hrs 4G on (with no 4g network) = -40% battery... Love to do the same for 3G as that would save "about" 20% more battery life alone. I might get a whole day of use without charging...

-Arturo- said:
I have a problem with setting android to only use 2G networks. I can tick an option under settings "Use only 2G networks" but after i leave the settings menu it gets "unticked" again threfore i,m constantly on 3G which wouldn't be a problem but in the areas where there is no 3G signal android loses signal and wont connect to 2G network. I can turn off 3G under winmo tof orce android to only use 2G networks but it takes time. My question is can anyone successfully setup their android to use only 2G networks?
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Very simple. You use file follow. You install it,only mark or unmark for 3G or 2G. I'm from Vietnamese. I speak E not very well. I'm sr if you don't undertand

looks like this is only for 3g-2g data connection.Discussion is about GSM -CDMA network

pro_hvtc said:
Very simple. You use file follow. You install it,only mark or unmark for 3G or 2G. I'm from Vietnamese. I speak E not very well. I'm sr if you don't undertand
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As far as i know apndroid disables both 2g/3g connections and we only need to block system from using 3g connections leaving 2g still connectable.

Has anybody seen this before?
http://www.android-cellphones.org/android-motorola-droid-tricks-disable-3g.html/
I get the settings, but the problem is that I can't choose any - no matter what I choose it stick to "Unknown" type..

milanche said:
Has anybody seen this before?
http://www.android-cellphones.org/android-motorola-droid-tricks-disable-3g.html/
I get the settings, but the problem is that I can't choose any - no matter what I choose it stick to "Unknown" type..
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I've tried that a while ago and it didn't work for me.

I've bin going thru htcgeneric-ril.c (source of libhtcgeneric-ril.so), provided in another topic and noticed this lines:
Code:
switch (rat)
{
case 0: at_rat = "1,2"; break;/* Dual Mode - WCDMA preferred*/
case 1: at_rat = "0"; break; /* GSM only */
case 2: at_rat = "2"; break; /* WCDMA only */
}
Could there be a solution lurking in those lines to ongoing 2G/3G switching problem on Kaiser devices with Android?

Those look like the settings from the phone information screen in testing, it's certainly the right area to be looking in.
Question: who's gonna be brave enough to hack htcgeneric-ril.c and recompile that lib?

I already asked n2rjt to do it, if it's possible - still waiting for his reply.

Can't turn Desire on from standby

Hey.
I have a big problem with my desire. The phone is fully working, but when it goes into standby, and I try to turn it on using the "power button" at the top, the keys light up, but nothing comes on the screen It just doesn't turn on again.
Any ideas? Thanks!

In the general section on the desire forum there is a topic related to defective proximity sensor. i,m a new forum-user so i can't make a link yet

Thanks for the help so far, but couldn't find anything that solved my problem :/ Have to restart the phone every time it goes into standby

Like many others, I am also experiencing this standby-of-death (SOD) problem: the lights in the buttons under the screen turn on, but the screen itself stays black. I have found out that it has to do with switching from 3G to 2G networks: the problem occurs after I have been at places where there is no 3G signal, but only 2G. For example, after a car trip or when going into the basement.
A workaround for this problem, is to type the code *#*#4636#*#* in the dialer. You will then end up in a hidden menu. By choosing "Phone information" (first item) and then scrolling down in the next screen, you can change the "Preferred network type". By default, it was set to "WCDMA preferred" on my phone. After I changed this setting to "WCDMA only" (so, 3G only), I have not seen the SOD issue anymore (for 4 weeks now, before it happened almost daily).
A disadvantage of this workaround is that the phone will never use 2G anymore. So, when you are at a place where there is no 3G signal, you will be disconnected (i.e. you cannot receive phone calls). As an alternative, I have now reverted the setting to the original value ("WCDMA preferred") and I have installed an older radio image (version 32.44.00.32U_5.09.05.30_2), which is considered to be more stable by many people. I'll test and see whether the problem reoccurs. If the problem stays away, it is apparently a software (radio image) issue. If not, it must be a hardware issue.
Anyway, if anyone has additional information about the root cause of this standby issue, please let me know!

Stamgastje said:
Like many others, I am also experiencing this standby-of-death (SOD) problem: the lights in the buttons under the screen turn on, but the screen itself stays black. I have found out that it has to do with switching from 3G to 2G networks: the problem occurs after I have been at places where there is no 3G signal, but only 2G. For example, after a car trip or when going into the basement.
A workaround for this problem, is to type the code *#*#4636#*#* in the dialer. You will then end up in a hidden menu. By choosing "Phone information" (first item) and then scrolling down in the next screen, you can change the "Preferred network type". By default, it was set to "WCDMA preferred" on my phone. After I changed this setting to "WCDMA only" (so, 3G only), I have not seen the SOD issue anymore (for 4 weeks now, before it happened almost daily).
A disadvantage of this workaround is that the phone will never use 2G anymore. So, when you are at a place where there is no 3G signal, you will be disconnected (i.e. you cannot receive phone calls). As an alternative, I have now reverted the setting to the original value ("WCDMA preferred") and I have installed an older radio image (version 32.44.00.32U_5.09.05.30_2), which is considered to be more stable by many people. I'll test and see whether the problem reoccurs. If the problem stays away, it is apparently a software (radio image) issue. If not, it must be a hardware issue.
Anyway, if anyone has additional information about the root cause of this standby issue, please let me know!
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OMG I love you!
Seriously this has been doing my head in for weeks! I have posted a couple of times in this forum. First time, constantly remvoing and replacing the battery left me with a bricked phone. HTC revived it under warranty but after a week I got sick of Sense (and the poor battery life) and tried rooting again (tried Redux and CM7) but the problem came back. Makes sense because it works fine around Bristol (loads of 3G) but constantly SODs in Bournemouth (flicks between 2G and 3G at my desk). Also, just had data off for a few hours and didn't get SOD once.
I am not up on the lingo yet as I am fairly new to rooting but running Baseband version 32.49.00.32H_5.11.05.27. Is this the radio?
Please keep me posted on the older radio version. Shouldn't need a long test period, just need to go from a known 3G area to a known 2G area while locked.

Baseband version 32.49.00.32H_5.11.05.27. Is this the radio?
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Yes it is the radio.
I have got GingerVillain (Based on CM) and I use the Power Control widget to switch between 2G and 3G. You can customise the widget (just add it to a screen) to get this feature.
I haven't got any 3G around my house so I don't need to activate it all the time .

Yeah Redux has a similar thing so I will use that until a proper solution is found.

Small update: enabling 2G only didn't fix the issue (I think 3G only is okay) so perhaps the issue is with 2G rather than switching between the two.
Instead I am using an app called "3G Data Only!" so that 2G can still be used for calls but not data, working great so far.

I have tied the latest Radio (32.56.00.32U_5.17.05.23) and the problem does not go away.

How come this problem doesn't occur to (many) others? Could it be related to your network provider? Maybe you could change the SIM with another, from another network, and see what happens. Also, you could make use of the phone warranty - if it's still covered by it.

Icysoul said:
How come this problem doesn't occur to (many) others? Could it be related to your network provider? Maybe you could change the SIM with another, from another network, and see what happens. Also, you could make use of the phone warranty - if it's still covered by it.
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On o2 (in UK) right now, will try out another sim later. As for warranty, never had any issues on non-root Froyo Sense so can't do anything.

Icysoul said:
How come this problem doesn't occur to (many) others? Could it be related to your network provider? Maybe you could change the SIM with another, from another network, and see what happens. Also, you could make use of the phone warranty - if it's still covered by it.
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I have tried 2 different sim cards, same provider, but the problem persists.

hurin8 said:
I have tried 2 different sim cards, same provider, but the problem persists.
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Try to change the network, say, from O2 to 3 or Vodafone. If your Desire is branded, there is a free way to unlock it - just look for Desire SIM-Unlock utility in the forum, by sieempi

Been running radio 32.44.00.32U_5.09.05.30_2 for a couple of days now and the issue seems to have gone away.

Stamgastje said:
A disadvantage of this workaround is that the phone will never use 2G anymore. So, when you are at a place where there is no 3G signal, you will be disconnected (i.e. you cannot receive phone calls). As an alternative, I have now reverted the setting to the original value ("WCDMA preferred") and I have installed an older radio image (version 32.44.00.32U_5.09.05.30_2), which is considered to be more stable by many people. I'll test and see whether the problem reoccurs. If the problem stays away, it is apparently a software (radio image) issue. If not, it must be a hardware issue.
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I also have this SOD issue with the older radio ROM versions, so installing an older version is not a solution.
d10brp said:
I have tied the latest Radio (32.56.00.32U_5.17.05.23) and the problem does not go away.
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I can confirm that. I have tried most of the radios listed here and here, they all have the SOD issue.
d10brp said:
Been running radio 32.44.00.32U_5.09.05.30_2 for a couple of days now and the issue seems to have gone away.
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Guess that's just pure luck...
d10brp said:
Instead I am using an app called "3G Data Only!" so that 2G can still be used for calls but not data, working great so far.
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Great, I'll try this application! Would be very nice if that fixes the problem without disabling 2G phone calls. I never use 2G for data (too slow anyway), but I would like to be able to still make phone calls when out of range of 3G cells.
Icysoul said:
How come this problem doesn't occur to (many) others? Could it be related to your network provider? Maybe you could change the SIM with another, from another network, and see what happens. Also, you could make use of the phone warranty - if it's still covered by it.
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It might be, I don't know. I'm using a Telfort SIM, connected via the KPN network (Netherlands).

3G data only works a treat for that, you can make calls.
Found with the old radio that it is a lot more stable than the new radio but not 100% perfect. Where I work I only have 2G and it would SOD all the time but now it doesn't. However on a journey I make with intermittent 2G/3G I did get a SOD.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

3G Data Only doesn't work well enough. The SOD issue does occur less frequently, but the phone still hangs sporadically. So, if have disabled 2G completely again.

You should try Insertcoin. I haven't had this issue since I started using IC v32 a2sd.

Hi there. So i get the same thing on mine. I thought I should report my experience.
Had it over a year old then all of a sudden it started acting like this
heres what i tried
Factory reset, rooted it twice, boot with no sim, no SD card, dismantled it via instructions I found on an android forum to check for loose connections, gave it to a friend who ran some different roms, overclocked it, underclocked it. Its currently on the Oxygen rom, no difference. I tried the secret menu from page one of the comments. I tried living with leaving the screen on for 30 mins..but its so impractical
I should add that if i leave it for say a couple of hours, the damn thing comes on just fine. Its only from being on, to off, then back on..
I think its hardware related, maybe something to do with the power being held back for the screen or something. All i can say is that its really doing my tits in and i'm currently using my old phone which is functional but not as fun.
What can i do next...send to HTC, i'm out of warranty but their repair centre can still have a look, or buy a faulty phone off ebay and harvest some parts...
I dont want to give up on it, because apart from this the phone works fine.

guys i had this problem too, when i force to use 3G only everything works perfect but in area with no 3G signal your phone become useless cuz you are out of network, i also had a self-rebboting problem and i sent my lovely desire to htc repair center, they replace mobo and now i am waiting to receive my phone back and i will test this issue, if everything will works correctly in 3g/gsm etc you guys need to do the same and sent your phone to repair,

[Q] HTC Desire HD Service Mode?

Hey guys I'm new to the forum so go easy on me.
So my problem with my DHD is with its 3g ever since I got it last year (Vodafone Australia). The problem is that it keeps switching between 3G and H and does not load pages for long periods of time and keeps switching but when it does work it's really fast. I have a Galaxy S2 and I had the same problems till today I have been thinking that it's vodafone's internet's problem but it's not. Today I found this lifesaving article on turning off HSPA on the Samsung Galaxy S2.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...-for-better-battery-life-on-samsung-galaxy-s/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=837716
I did what it said and turned HSPA off and guess what, my internet started working flawlessly. It does not go on H anymore stays on 3G which means a bit slower speeds but that's not the problem at least it doesn't drop every 5 seconds. It was meant to fix the battery issue but it has fixed my internet problems (I don't care about the battery).
So I am hoping that you guys know how to get into RCC Control for HTC Desire HD. Or a way to disable just different 3G modes like HSPA etc.
I've had this problem for a year now I would really appreciate any sort of help.
Thanks guys

Try *#*#4636#*#* then look in the phone menu. Should be what your looking for.

andyharney said:
Try *#*#4636#*#* then look in the phone menu. Should be what your looking for.
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Hey thanks man that really helps but im yet to figure out what does what in that menu cuz its a bit different from the samsung one.

naughtydavin said:
Hey thanks man that really helps but im yet to figure out what does what in that menu cuz its a bit different from the samsung one.
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Press Phone Information then scroll down to Set Prefered Network Type.

i have question to ask about my network mode ... when i switch to WCDMA only , it only show there is no coverage and after that , in a few second it automatically change back to GSM/WCDMA auto .... however , when i change to GSM only ... it does not change back to GSM/WCDMA auto ... it seem like i can't switch to WCDMA only ... morever , i also have tried compared with my friend which also DHD user ... both of us using the same network .. when we switch our DHD to WCDMA only .. look like my DHD only change back to GSM/WCDMA auto just in a few second , and my friend DHD look like it maintain with WCDMA only and does not change back to GSM/WCDMA auto ... do you have any idea ?
i also try *#*#4636#*#* but still

HTC One M9 - GSM Network Issue

Hello guys!
My HTC One M9 is giving me some headaches!
What is happening is that if I'm inside home, I cannot get GSM network. This happens for both voice and data.
As soon as I go outside, I get the 4G working like a charm. I could live with this, but sometimes I need to sleep inside home
From my troubleshooting around this, I found out that if I reset the phone, there is no change.
Reset network settings does nothing.
Sometimes if I restart the phone I get network, but it goes away quickly.
No change if I enable and disable the flight mode.
What does work is if I set the network mode to be 2G only, then I have the network and all works (except the data with some low speeds).
The phone is now with the build 4.28.401.3
I've tried different RUUs and it is the same thing.
Can someone help to try to understand what can be the cause for this?

.... could it be a network issue?

computerslayer said:
.... could it be a network issue?
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Of the phone, yes.
I've tried the SIM card on another phone and it works really great! I've tried a different SIM card on this phone and it is the same thing. Loss of connectivity.

kulyboy said:
Of the phone, yes.
I've tried the SIM card on another phone and it works really great! I've tried a different SIM card on this phone and it is the same thing. Loss of connectivity.
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Yes, I have noticed a similar issue and it has been very annoying. I know that in my area, I can get 4g+, but it only picks it up sometimes and goes away. Also, I have very strong 4g signal around my area but for some reason, it always uses 2g and sometimes gives my 4g, but rarely. I think it has something to do with the way sense automatically switches between networks.
Try typing in *#*#4636#*#*, press phone information and where it says some thing like lte/wcdma auto and select what you prefer. I chose lte/wcdma and now I only get 4g and 3g signals which is acceptable. If you want GSM or something, choose it as preferred. Play around with the different ones and see which is best for you.
If not, try a non sense rom, I don't know if that would help but give it a go.
Hope this helps,
Jev

Well, I've tried different settings, but it does the same. Only when using 2G or GSM only it works inside home.
I am yet to test with a non-sense ROM. Because for me, having an HTC is also because I like sense.
Either way, it seems to me that it can be hardware and not software.
Do someone knows what controls this network settings? A different board? A chip?

You mention applying the Nougat RUU for your phone - did you first update to Nougat via OTA?

The update was made via OTA. A regular update but this was already happening before the update.

kulyboy said:
The update was made via OTA. A regular update but this was already happening before the update.
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:-/ Darn. Good on you for updating correctly, for sure, but that eliminates the problem I was anticipating.

Could be a carrier issue. If the other phone that has a good signal is an m9 then obviously your phone has a fault. If it was a different model and/or brand then you should learn something about "industry standards" as far as signal detection and interpretation goes. Just because one certain type/model/brand of phone has a good signal it doesn't mean another "has to".
Beamed in by telepathy.