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I'm not sure which phone to get. I have the Samsung Galaxy S Captivate right now which is just like the focus and i like the captivate (coming from the iPhone 4). I'm just not crazy about android and I have always been a lover of windows mobile. The HD2 is one of my favorite phones out and that's basically the HD7. So which one would you go for. My contract is up with at&t on November 9th so I'm not sure if i should stay and go with the focus or switch to t-mobile and get the HD7. What it really comes down to is The super amoled screen which I love vs the 4.3" screen which I love.
I would go with Dell Venue.
I'm going with the Focus myself.
Haha I'm in the exact same spot. I have a Captivate but am considering going over to WP7. Stuck between the Focus and HD7.
From a practical standpoint I'm leaning more towards the Focus simply because it has an accessible Micro SD slot and of course the superior screen quality. But I love the HD7's form factor and screen size.
Need to see the HD7 in person to determine if I'm willing to take the step back in screen quality. That's really the deciding factor.
I just pre-ordered the HD7. Don't trust engadget's review of the screen. Every other video of the phone shows it is much more vibrant and the blacks are a lot deeper. Probably because every time engadget showed it was at an angle, when realistically the phone will only be viewed directly.
EDIT: I'm coming from an amoled equipped Nexus One.
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I'm going with the Focus myself.
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As am I. I was originally going to go with HD7/Venue but then decided Focus.
I have to go with the HD7. I have been a fan if HTC for years. At&t 8125, T-Mobile Mda, wing, G1, touch pro 2, HD2, It's only right for my to go back bow that they have another top notch device. I love my vibrant the screen is amazing but
4.3 inches for movies is just better seeing that everything thing is close to being the same. I can live with 16gigs I have 32 right now and have used only 10
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I'd say the Focus because the size is perfect, has a super AMOLED, and is said to have a slightly more responsive screen.
I'm personally hoping the Dell Venue Pro eventually hits Verizon since T-Mobile is just a launch partner.
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Haha I'm in the exact same spot. I have a Captivate but am considering going over to WP7. Stuck between the Focus and HD7.
From a practical standpoint I'm leaning more towards the Focus simply because it has an accessible Micro SD slot and of course the superior screen quality. But I love the HD7's form factor and screen size.
Need to see the HD7 in person to determine if I'm willing to take the step back in screen quality. That's really the deciding factor.
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I know its so hard to make a decision. I love my super amoled but the hd2 has the same screen as the hd7 so if you want you can make your comparison from there.
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I know its so hard to make a decision. I love my super amoled but the hd2 has the same screen as the hd7 so if you want you can make your comparison from there.
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Put the HD2 and the HD7 next to each other and you will see that the HD7 is clearly a better screen. The screen is more comparible to the evo.
Windows Phone 7 is a complete programming break from all earlier incarnations. It would stand to reason that some features wouldn't be implemented in the first pass. Windows Mobile was losing market share at an astonishing rate, and one of the bigger reasons was the lack of a cohesive, polished, smoother user experience. Despite the ability to tether and cut/paste. The marketplace has obviously spoken, and said that user experience is far more important that feature set. Why would a for profit company emphasize the exact ideology that resulted in nothing but eroding market share, when other companies took the exact opposite approach with mind blowing success?
Focus.
Better screen. Much better camera. Expandable memory.
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I wouldn't jump on the hd7 just yet. I'm using the hd2 because my iphone4 got stolen and im tired of paying full price for iphones, I would stick with ur iPhone get it unlocked for t-mobile, and use it until something goes wrong, or sell it on ebay for some ridiculous price and get yourself covered for the hd7
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im on the same boat... i have an evo and need to dump sprint since its signal absolutely blows at home...
originally i want to get me an hd7, but im getting a bit worried after reading some initial reviews (poor build quality, sub par camera) ill hold off on judgement on the screen till i see it personally since i have a newer build evo (hw3) and the screen looks fantastic compared to the hd2 and early evo's (hw1-2), so if the hd7 uses the same screen then it will pass...
on the other hand there is the samsung focus with the super amoled screen, vastly superior battery life reported by reviews, and superior camera, my concerns with this one is the lack of camera flash, plasticky build, and at&t's tiered data plans (has anyone had issues with this since it was applied?)
bottom line...
HD7:
+ screen size, dual flash, kickstand (love it), more developer attention, unlimited data (tethering?)
- battery capacity, average camera, average build, inferior contrast
Samsung Focus:
+ super amoled screen, camera quality, slimmer, battery life
- cheap feel, no camera flash, limited data
opinions? ? ?
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Samsung Focus:
+ super amoled screen, camera quality, slimmer, battery life
- cheap feel, no camera flash, limited data
opinions? ? ?
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For the negatives: I've heard mixed reviews on the 'cheap feel,' some say it's not that bad, and even feels pretty good. There is an LED flash on the back, and I still have an unlimited plan.
For the positives: You didn't mention the expandable storage that the focus has, which for me is a huge plus. I've also seen a video with a Samsung exec jabbing his pen into the screen showing that it wont scratch (gorilla glass or something similar?).
Lastly, I'm not sure the battery life is a plus (maybe it is compared to the HTC?), as several sites list it as only average or even below average.
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For the negatives: I've heard mixed reviews on the 'cheap feel,' some say it's not that bad, and even feels pretty good. There is an LED flash on the back, and I still have an unlimited plan.
For the positives: You didn't mention the expandable storage that the focus has, which for me is a huge plus. I've also seen a video with a Samsung exec jabbing his pen into the screen showing that it wont scratch (gorilla glass or something similar?).
Lastly, I'm not sure the battery life is a plus (maybe it is compared to the HTC?), as several sites list it as only average or even below average.
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thanx for the clarification i must have missed the flash on the back
battery life on super amoled is awesome compared to lcd's, that is till you go to an app that has a white background (email, web, facebook, twitter) so i guess thats something i have to keep in mind...
if i could somehow get unlimited data it would be a wrap
Just read through the thread and having owned a HD7 for a week now i'll give you some pointers:
Pro's
- The Screen is superb. It's huge, bright (brightness on high, not auto) and colours are vibrant. I've had the desire with it's AMOLED screen and can say the difference is minimal, plus when you've got them next to each other the HD7's sheer screen size outways the miniscule (even unnoticable) difference in quality. It is not the same screen as used in the HD2.
- The Build quality is brilliant. No creaks or bends, and the kickstand is firm and sturdy.
- The screen is the most responsive i've ever used. It's fantastic and imo (dare i say it?) better than that apple one. It responds instantly to your touch and scrolling through menus/webpages/etc is flawless. The pinch to zoom is incredibly impressive compared to others too.
- The camera is brilliant. It's crisp, the LED's are rediculously bright, and it takes pictures really quickly. I've been taking about 5 or 6 pictures per 10 seconds which is good if you're like me and take loads then pick the best one.
Cons
- The Battery life on my particular HD7 is dreadful, i get a day and a half at the most with what I would say is average usage. I have to charge it every night which i'm not too fussed about but if that bothers otehrs it's definately something to consider.
- The autofocus on the camera during video recording can be hit and miss. Sometimes it out-focuses itself, but if you hold it for a second or 2 it sorts itself out, so not a problem for me really.
*EDIT* After a further 2 weeks i can confirm Battery life has stabalised and after a "full day" (7am till 11pm) of use i still have half a battery left.
Can the HD7 take an SD card as currently looking at various win 7 devices
Here is the deal guys, Windows Phone 7 was never supposed to have SD card support, I think 16 gigs is more than enough, but anyways. Every time you change the Omni in the focus, you have to reformat I believe your device, so keep that in my mind.
Why MS didn't put SD support is beyond me, but what Samsung did is just use that as expendable memory, it sort of creates 1 partition, if I am understanding it correctly
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Can the HD7 take an SD card as currently looking at various win 7 devices
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there is a long thread in the HD7 section about that
What do you guys think?
if you have the patience, wait and see. there might be more phones and ones which you like.
But what if nothing does? i cant wait ANOTHER WEEK. besides, if it gets announced next week, it wontbe out for a while.
CES is a few days away, you might as well wait at this point. What's the rush!
It's get updated to the newest version of WP7? I don't really expect any mind blowing devices from Microsoft at CES, otherwise there would be a leak or something by now.
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But what if nothing does? i cant wait ANOTHER WEEK. besides, if it gets announced next week, it wontbe out for a while.
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Then why the hell are you asking us?
The DVP is cheaper than an HD2, and is a better phone in almost any way.
The only time I'd recommend getting an HD7 is if the person is on a budget (since it's in T-Mo stores you can do an installment on it) or they're ignorant and keep saying "but it's 4.3" dude!!!"
At that poing I figure the battle is lost and they should just do what they want to do.
I say get the DVP if you can, or wait for what's coming out at CES. I don't recommend the HD7. It's quality does not compared with most other WP7 devices...
I agree with N8ter, the HD7 isn't doing WP7 any favors. That said, I wouldn't choose the Dell either but rather go for either of the Samsungs or LG devices (model depends on where you live).
As for waiting until CES - sure you can wait, but like you said yourself, even if there is something amazing announced that's all it is - an announcement. Actual release would be a lot later in the year. Personally though, I don't think we'll see much improvement in terms of hardware for another 8-10 months. Microsoft (and OEMs) put too much time and effort into the 8x50 series to throw it all away so soon after release and start releasing the mythical dual-core handsets.
Realistically, I'm hoping for devices running the same SoC but with improved cameras and 32+ GB storage before the next real wave of devices, but I'm not really holding my breath for that either. The sad thing is that there are phones coming out now doing 1080p video whereas all the WP7 devices struggle (more or less) to encode (not to talk about decoding) even 720p with good framerates.
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It's get updated to the newest version of WP7? I don't really expect any mind blowing devices from Microsoft at CES, otherwise there would be a leak or something by now.
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I agree, I don't think we are going to see anything mind blowing until the fall at the soonest.
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Then why the hell are you asking us?
The DVP is cheaper than an HD2, and is a better phone in almost any way.
The only time I'd recommend getting an HD7 is if the person is on a budget (since it's in T-Mo stores you can do an installment on it) or they're ignorant and keep saying "but it's 4.3" dude!!!"
At that poing I figure the battle is lost and they should just do what they want to do.
I say get the DVP if you can, or wait for what's coming out at CES. I don't recommend the HD7. It's quality does not compared with most other WP7 devices...
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dvp is not cheaper than the hd7, you can get it for 70bucks at walmart right now.
I know you hate the screen, but what are you basing this whole "dvp is better than the hd7" rant on?
Same OS running on less memory. Dell doesn't have the greatest track record on phones, and the dvp has been plagued by issues causing 2 delays.
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I agree with N8ter, the HD7 isn't doing WP7 any favors. That said, I wouldn't choose the Dell either but rather go for either of the Samsungs or LG devices (model depends on where you live).
As for waiting until CES - sure you can wait, but like you said yourself, even if there is something amazing announced that's all it is - an announcement. Actual release would be a lot later in the year. Personally though, I don't think we'll see much improvement in terms of hardware for another 8-10 months. Microsoft (and OEMs) put too much time and effort into the 8x50 series to throw it all away so soon after release and start releasing the mythical dual-core handsets.
Realistically, I'm hoping for devices running the same SoC but with improved cameras and 32+ GB storage before the next real wave of devices, but I'm not really holding my breath for that either. The sad thing is that there are phones coming out now doing 1080p video whereas all the WP7 devices struggle (more or less) to encode (not to talk about decoding) even 720p with good framerates.
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I say that if you are gonna get a new phone every year (most of us do), then on t-mobile you have 2 choices (for tmous anyways).
HD7: hd2 with wp7 on it instead of winmo, 16gb internal storage (via microsd).
DVP: physical keyboard, less RAM then the hd7, but I think the internal storage is nand so that is a positive.
I was ready to jump on the dell bandwagon, but the device has had so many problems just getting released, that I decided to go with what I knew (hd7).
Everyone bashes the screen, but when I show the phone off, I don't get any comments on the screen being washed out. I get, "wow, that's a big screen, no wonder you can watch tv and movies on it."
If you can get your hands on a dvp, then play with it and go with what you like. But Tmobile stores do not have them to try out and only the 2 MS stores in the USA have them to play with, otherwise you have to order online.
everybody says that, but the hd2 doesnt have 720p recording and it has a 65k color screen vs 16m on thehd7.
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everybody says that, but the hd2 doesnt have 720p recording and it has a 65k color screen vs 16m on thehd7.
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Don't feel like going over the anatomy of touchscreens.
To the person talking about Walmart prices, don't be ignorant. Walmart prices are double subsidized and if u cancel the line you pay two etf fees (450 total).
You have to be dumb to think those prices are comparable.
Hd2 is 199 from T-Mobile. Dvp is $149 with contract from dell (16gb model).
Why I think its universally better is pretty obvious if you have read my other post. Don't feign ignorance in this thread. I'd hate to assault this one with mega-quotes...
EDIT: Also, the HD2 hardware supports 720p video recording, but Windows Mobile 6.5 does not. 720p recording was disabled in the hardware. So much for that... They use the same cameras. They even have the same pink tint bug that the HD2 exibited.
I don't think Windows Mobile 6.5 supported more than 65k colors. All three phones (HD2, Evo, HD7 use the same TFT LCD panel).
Good job thinking the differences were hardware differences instead of OS/System limitations, though!
EXAMPLE: The Omnia II was released with an AMOLED display that supported 16M colors, but since it ran Windows Mobile 6.5, it was limited to displaying 65k colors. Sound familiar?
Windows Moile 6.5.x on an HD2 = 65k colors
Android on an HD2 = 16M colors
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The HD7 is $100 from Best Buy. My girlfriend got one from there and loves it. It's a little lighter than the Venue Pro, a little thinner, has twice as much RAM, the same CPU, the same 16GB microSD storage, a better camera even with the red push, better flash, and feels much more solid in my hand than my Focus. The rubbery back is actually really nice on it. What are your specific complaints about the build quality?
What's the Dell's screen like outdoors? I know it's regular AMOLED rather than SAMOLED and those generally don't perform well in the sun.
Read the other thread where I made fairly extensive posts about it.
And the LCD panel on the HD2/Evo/HD7 has worse Viewing Angles than an AMOLED or SAMOLED screen, worse color saturation, and bad contrast as well.
It's not like I didn't carry around both my HD2 (as a media device, it can sync Zune Pass Subscription content) and Vibrant for months after I upgraded my phone.
There are comparisons on YouTube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTrmfc1It4E
Sorry, but there's no comparisons between those two display panels. You only need to watch the first 5 seconds of the video to see.
The Venue Pro is bound to weigh more because it has a slide-out keyboard, BTW, but it's easily one of the best constructed phones of 2010. The HD7, not so much (build quality is not on the level of the HD2, even).
The HD7 certainly doesn't have a better camera than the DVP, and the speakers on the HD7 is pretty bad.
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Read the other thread where I made fairly extensive posts about it.
And the LCD panel on the HD2/Evo/HD7 has worse Viewing Angles than an AMOLED or SAMOLED screen, worse color saturation, and bad contrast as well.
It's not like I didn't carry around both my HD2 (as a media device, it can sync Zune Pass Subscription content) and Vibrant for months after I upgraded my phone.
There are comparisons on YouTube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTrmfc1It4E
Sorry, but there's no comparisons between those two display panels. You only need to watch the first 5 seconds of the video to see.
The Venue Pro is bound to weigh more because it has a slide-out keyboard, BTW, but it's easily one of the best constructed phones of 2010. The HD7, not so much (build quality is not on the level of the HD2, even).
The HD7 certainly doesn't have a better camera than the DVP, and the speakers on the HD7 is pretty bad.
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First of all, the speakers aren't too bad. Coming from a Blackberry myself though, I see a huge difference. But compared to any other smartphone in the market at the moment they're average. I've yet to see a smartphone whose speakers make me say "wow!" Second, it never surprises me how much people suck on the teet of the "almighty" SAmoled screen. I have an Omnia II, I use Vibrants all the time and ya know what...SAmoled is not all that. You kiddies like to portray it as the end all be all of the mobile phone screen world but its not. In fact, I hate the damn screen on my Omnia II. It looks distorted and ****ty. If that's what you consider "better" than that's your ****. Not everyone wants cartoon colors for everything they see though. As far as viewing angles, you must be one of those people that watch a movie at 90* angle huh? Cuz that's probably the only way you could consider the SAmoled screens better. Better color saturation? Really? Refer to my cartoon colors comment. My Omnia II works fine but I just keep the damn thing because it runs important .cabs I need for work, other than that the "selling points" of SAmoled Samsung phones is wasted on me. The screen looks dim and colorful 90% of the time. Mind you, its not a horrible screen, but people overhyping it so much really makes me laugh. As far as cameras, I haven't seen DVP pics or video so I don't know how good it is, but it'd better be damn good because I've taken some damn nice pics with my HD7. Took a lot of messing with the settings and scenarios but it looks damn good. And I'd love to see what you mean by the HD7 having inferior build quality though. I guess not all phones can have the cheap plastic surrounding that the Vibrant has huh? Or the wiggly cheap feeling slide out keyboard on the DVP? Best constructed phones of 2010 LOL that's why it kept getting delayed eh? So what specific build quality issues are you referring to with the HD7 though? My HD7 hasn't given me one problem since I got it on launch day. Perfect buttons, perfect screen, the metal trim and kickstand have held up extremely well and the phone feels solid. So do tell what these issues are so I can run and trade in my HD7 for a plastic phone sir
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First of all, the speakers aren't too bad. Coming from a Blackberry myself though, I see a huge difference. But compared to any other smartphone in the market at the moment they're average. I've yet to see a smartphone whose speakers make me say "wow!" Second, it never surprises me how much people suck on the teet of the "almighty" SAmoled screen. I have an Omnia II, I use Vibrants all the time and ya know what...SAmoled is not all that. You kiddies like to portray it as the end all be all of the mobile phone screen world but its not. In fact, I hate the damn screen on my Omnia II. It looks distorted and ****ty. If that's what you consider "better" than that's your ****. Not everyone wants cartoon colors for everything they see though. As far as viewing angles, you must be one of those people that watch a movie at 90* angle huh? Cuz that's probably the only way you could consider the SAmoled screens better. Better color saturation? Really? Refer to my cartoon colors comment. My Omnia II works fine but I just keep the damn thing because it runs important .cabs I need for work, other than that the "selling points" of SAmoled Samsung phones is wasted on me. The screen looks dim and colorful 90% of the time. Mind you, its not a horrible screen, but people overhyping it so much really makes me laugh. As far as cameras, I haven't seen DVP pics or video so I don't know how good it is, but it'd better be damn good because I've taken some damn nice pics with my HD7. Took a lot of messing with the settings and scenarios but it looks damn good. And I'd love to see what you mean by the HD7 having inferior build quality though. I guess not all phones can have the cheap plastic surrounding that the Vibrant has huh? Or the wiggly cheap feeling slide out keyboard on the DVP? Best constructed phones of 2010 LOL that's why it kept getting delayed eh? So what specific build quality issues are you referring to with the HD7 though? My HD7 hasn't given me one problem since I got it on launch day. Perfect buttons, perfect screen, the metal trim and kickstand have held up extremely well and the phone feels solid. So do tell what these issues are so I can run and trade in my HD7 for a plastic phone sir
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I'm not often a kissass but I'd like to give you a standing ovation.
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I'm not often a kissass but I'd like to give you a standing ovation.
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Thank you thank you. Far too kind. But somebody had to say it...
When u learn to use paragraphs I will read ur post. But I'm not sifting through that.
Also, do a post search and I'll see I'm no sampled fanboy. The hd7 screen is terrible. Dvp only has an amplest screen. L2read...
Also, Don't call me kiddie. I can get snippy, too.
Its no secret that the hd7 is the worst wp7 device, and no one cares about curve speakers. A bb bold 9780 has way louder and better speakers than an hd7.
As for the screen, the comparison I linked speaks for itself. Its a damn terrible screen...
The dvp's keyboard is not wiggly. You're grasping at straws. Don't confuse it with a g2...
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First of all, the speakers aren't too bad. Coming from a Blackberry myself though, I see a huge difference. But compared to any other smartphone in the market at the moment they're average. I've yet to see a smartphone whose speakers make me say "wow!" Second, it never surprises me how much people suck on the teet of the "almighty" SAmoled screen. I have an Omnia II, I use Vibrants all the time and ya know what...SAmoled is not all that. You kiddies like to portray it as the end all be all of the mobile phone screen world but its not. In fact, I hate the damn screen on my Omnia II. It looks distorted and ****ty. If that's what you consider "better" than that's your ****. Not everyone wants cartoon colors for everything they see though. As far as viewing angles, you must be one of those people that watch a movie at 90* angle huh? Cuz that's probably the only way you could consider the SAmoled screens better. Better color saturation? Really? Refer to my cartoon colors comment. My Omnia II works fine but I just keep the damn thing because it runs important .cabs I need for work, other than that the "selling points" of SAmoled Samsung phones is wasted on me. The screen looks dim and colorful 90% of the time. Mind you, its not a horrible screen, but people overhyping it so much really makes me laugh. As far as cameras, I haven't seen DVP pics or video so I don't know how good it is, but it'd better be damn good because I've taken some damn nice pics with my HD7. Took a lot of messing with the settings and scenarios but it looks damn good. And I'd love to see what you mean by the HD7 having inferior build quality though. I guess not all phones can have the cheap plastic surrounding that the Vibrant has huh? Or the wiggly cheap feeling slide out keyboard on the DVP? Best constructed phones of 2010 LOL that's why it kept getting delayed eh? So what specific build quality issues are you referring to with the HD7 though? My HD7 hasn't given me one problem since I got it on launch day. Perfect buttons, perfect screen, the metal trim and kickstand have held up extremely well and the phone feels solid. So do tell what these issues are so I can run and trade in my HD7 for a plastic phone sir
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I don't think you fully understand. Its more than just colors with amoled and Samoled screens. Every OEM is on the waiting list. HTC, Motorola, LG etc are all wanting these screens.
Dell camera samples, at the very least no pink tint:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10225139&postcount=13
In all actuality the AMOLED SAMOLED means nothing to me, I prefer the larger screen because I have massive gamer thumbs and therefor I go with the HD7. I'm not saying the focus isnt a better device in a lot of ways but for some of us it's just not right though it is awesome. I dont much like the lack of heft and the plasticky feel but meh. I wil also never trust samsung when it comes to updates again even though the manufacturer handles them now its still... shaky. The point is they have a windows phone 7 for every kind of user even with how few are released.
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The HD7 is $100 from Best Buy. My girlfriend got one from there and loves it. It's a little lighter than the Venue Pro, a little thinner, has twice as much RAM, the same CPU, the same 16GB microSD storage, a better camera even with the red push, better flash, and feels much more solid in my hand than my Focus. The rubbery back is actually really nice on it. What are your specific complaints about the build quality?
What's the Dell's screen like outdoors? I know it's regular AMOLED rather than SAMOLED and those generally don't perform well in the sun.
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There's no point in debating with him. Every "point" he makes regarding the HD7 seems to be based solely on something he's read or a video that he's seen online...not on first hand experience.
Discuss and inform, what is your favorite WP7 device thusfar. I have posted my opinions on the WP7 devices I've been fortunate enough to own thusfar. Feel free to add your input.
HTC Surround- Honestly the only WP7 device that I flat out dislike. The touchscreen is dodgy, the gimmick speaker is pointless, the device is bulky, it feels like a 1990's cellphone in your pocket, and it just feels cheap. The phone's only redeeming feature is the OS.
LG Quantum- My initial impression of this device was poor but after getting used to the keyboard there's not much to complain about on the device. The screen is a bit smaller than I'd like and a little washed out but LG's OEM specific apps make the device a keeper.
Samsung Focus- Before I tried the DVP this felt like the posterboy for WP7. The device is a little lighter than I would have liked but aside from that it worked astoundingly, apps load fast, sound is crystal clear, the SAMOLED display does amazing things with the homescreen on a dark theme, it's just generally a beautiful device.
HTC HD7- My first WP7 device and I thought it was great til I tried the Focus and the DVP, after using one of the higher quality devices the phones faults shine through from the milky whites to the slow loading apps all the way to the little errors that only some of the HTC devices seem to have despite the OS apparently being the same across all platforms.
Dell Venue Pro- Ahh, my baby, don't let the fact that there are some complaints about a number of the devices scare you off from this phone because it is without a doubt the best WP7 device released stateside. The AMOLED display has better whites than the SAMOLED and is just as good when it comes to darks. It just feels right in your hand from the ergonomic curvature to the laser-etched backing. This phone screams quality. My only complaint is the camera... I don't know why they put such a terrible camera on an otherwise flawless device, I can at times take clear pictures but with the slightest movement my pictures turn out looking more like modern art...
Samsung Omnia 7-
LG Optimus 7
HTC Mozart
HTC Trophy
HTC 7 Pro (Arrive)- I really want to like this device but it just feels extremely last-gen (Yes I know our processors are old blah blah blah) It's bulky, the spring mechanism feels ready to break nearly every time you slide it up, it's gut it's fair share of issues but overall it's usable though I fear for the spring. The keyboard is amazing on it and if you were a fan of the TP2 I whole-heartedly suggest this.
Voted for the HD7. The screen size was excellent and had a very nice image.
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Discuss and inform, what is your favorite WP7 device thusfar. I have posted my opinions on the WP7 devices I've been fortunate enough to own thusfar. Feel free to add your input.
HTC Surround- Honestly the only WP7 device that I flat out dislike. The touchscreen is dodgy, the gimmick speaker is pointless, the device is bulky, it feels like a 1990's cellphone in your pocket, and it just feels cheap. The phone's only redeeming feature is the OS.
LG Quantum- My initial impression of this device was poor but after getting used to the keyboard there's not much to complain about on the device. The screen is a bit smaller than I'd like and a little washed out but LG's OEM specific apps make the device a keeper.
Samsung Focus- Before I tried the DVP this felt like the posterboy for WP7. The device is a little lighter than I would have liked but aside from that it worked astoundingly, apps load fast, sound is crystal clear, the SAMOLED display does amazing things with the homescreen on a dark theme, it's just generally a beautiful device.
HTC HD7- My first WP7 device and I thought it was great til I tried the Focus and the DVP, after using one of the higher quality devices the phones faults shine through from the milky whites to the slow loading apps all the way to the little errors that only some of the HTC devices seem to have despite the OS apparently being the same across all platforms.
Dell Venue Pro- Ahh, my baby, don't let the fact that there are some complaints about a number of the devices scare you off from this phone because it is without a doubt the best WP7 device released stateside. The AMOLED display has better whites than the SAMOLED and is just as good when it comes to darks. It just feels right in your hand from the ergonomic curvature to the laser-etched backing. This phone screams quality. My only complaint is the camera... I don't know why they put such a terrible camera on an otherwise flawless device, I can at times take clear pictures but with the slightest movement my pictures turn out looking more like modern art...
Samsung Omnia 7-
LG Optimus 7
HTC Mozart
HTC Trophy
HTC 7 Pro (Arrive)- I really want to like this device but it just feels extremely last-gen (Yes I know our processors are old blah blah blah) It's bulky, the spring mechanism feels ready to break nearly every time you slide it up, it's gut it's fair share of issues but overall it's usable though I fear for the spring. The keyboard is amazing on it and if you were a fan of the TP2 I whole-heartedly suggest this.
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wat bout htc mozart?
taruian said:
wat bout htc mozart?
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Hasn't been released where I'm at yet. I've only had about 5 minutes experience with the device but all in all I'm not impressed with HTC's line-up as a whole.
Focus now, HD7S later.
optimus 7... mmmm
Omnia 7 based on speed of memory and the most professional looking (IMO).
The DVP is great looking as well, but I couldn't wait around for it to be released.
I like the form-factor of my Focus a lot. I voted for that, on that basis alone.
In the US you really only have a choice of the Samsung Focus or HTC HD7 as arguably the best WP7 handsets and even then they're exclusive to a carrier. Europe definitely got the better phones!
drbuns said:
In the US you really only have a choice of the Samsung Focus or HTC HD7 as arguably the best WP7 handsets and even then they're exclusive to a carrier. Europe definitely got the better phones!
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Eh... DVP was 1000 times better than HD7
z33dev33l said:
Eh... DVP was 1000 times better than HD7
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You could definitely make an argument for the DVP. I feel the delays, hardware issues, and lack of availability sort of ruined it - for me at least.
drbuns said:
You could definitely make an argument for the DVP. I feel the delays, hardware issues, and lack of availability sort of ruined it - for me at least.
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Eh, I'm talking comparing one of each side by side, you can definitely tell which is better based on the phone itself.
I am obviously biased because I own the device, but I voted LG Optimus 7 due to the following reasons:
-- Fastest WP7 phone because of the type of (16GB) memory it uses
-- Cheapest WP7 phone in the market when I bought it
-- Longest lasting WP7 phone with a 1500mAh battery
-- Hardware buttons ensure you don't accidentally press them
-- Excellent build quality, with an easy-to-remove metal back-cover
-- Gorilla Glass - mine survived a fall from 5.5 feet
tejazz said:
I am obviously biased because I own the device, but I voted LG Optimus 7 due to the following reasons:
-- Fastest WP7 phone because of the type of (16GB) memory it uses
-- Cheapest WP7 phone in the market when I bought it
-- Longest lasting WP7 phone with a 1500mAh battery
-- Hardware buttons ensure you don't accidentally press them
-- Excellent build quality, with an easy-to-remove metal back-cover
-- Gorilla Glass - mine survived a fall from 5.5 feet
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Must agree here, I also have it.
I add
-- Hardware main WP7 buttons
Main minus, from the device point of view, like the only one:
Worse camera performance in difficult/dark light conditions (sharpness, colour is fine though)
I really love the Focus, but it's just my personal opinion.
Agreed on the Optimus 7 - it is built like a tank. Only complaint is the screen is a little blah compared to SAMOLED, but no surprise there. The hardware buttons are a big plus IMHO. Focus second. DVP is too big / heavy unless you really need a keyboard.
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Focus now, HD7S later.
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Another vote for HTC HD7.
Hd7 for me too, it might not be built out of the most amazing material or have the most vibrant screen, but this phone is straight up beautiful, the silver grills on the front really make it look nice.
you might as well have asked what phone do you have?.... close this pointless thread.
Had a chance to stop into the local Verizon store and view the latest gadget candy. I played with the LG Revolution, the Droid X2, the Pre 2 and the Trophy. I glanced at a lot of the other stuff as well and came out feeling the the Trophy is the nicest phone Verizon has to offer. It's very elegant and stylish and worked splendidly. HTC really knows how to make phones, that's all there is to it.
Install mango on it...it will impress you
The wife just got the trophy and it is a really nice phone. I prefer larger screens though.
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I love wp7 but I think HTC phones will never be able to do it justice.
yea its a nice phone but they need to bring out a more feature filled phone with a front camera but until wp7 rolls out the mango update the trophy is one of the best wp7 phones
I'm using the Trophy myself. It's nice, but the camera isn't so great and the auto-brightness doesn't work very well. When taking a picture, it snaps the picture a split second after pressing the button. This is a pain in the ass when trying to take pictures of my kid who can't stand still, or anything moving.
I'm not impressed with HTC's lineup at all... I never was. Their battery covers are almost always slightly crooked (like the top edge where you open it might stick up, allowing larger pieces of lint, sand, or other particles to get lodged in there), their cameras aren't as good as Samsung's, and their auto-brightness sensors have usually been wonky (at least the ones I've used).
But, they're the only manufacturer with a WP7 device on Verizon so I had to get it. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a piece of crap or anything, but I definitely don't think it's the "best" Verizon has to offer. But that's my opinion.
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I'm using the Trophy myself. It's nice, but the camera isn't so great and the auto-brightness doesn't work very well. When taking a picture, it snaps the picture a split second after pressing the button. This is a pain in the ass when trying to take pictures of my kid who can't stand still, or anything moving.
I'm not impressed with HTC's lineup at all... I never was. Their battery covers are almost always slightly crooked (like the top edge where you open it might stick up, allowing larger pieces of lint, sand, or other particles to get lodged in there), their cameras aren't as good as Samsung's, and their auto-brightness sensors have usually been wonky (at least the ones I've used).
But, they're the only manufacturer with a WP7 device on Verizon so I had to get it. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a piece of crap or anything, but I definitely don't think it's the "best" Verizon has to offer. But that's my opinion.
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Are you aware the camera button on all WP7 phones is dual level or dual mode? Half press focuses and full press snaps the picture.
Of course. But there is still a delay. It's not instantaneous.
Edit: I had a Samsung Focus several months ago before switching carriers. I don't remember the camera on that phone having the delay. That's why it's relevant to this post.
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I'm using the Trophy myself. It's nice, but the camera isn't so great and the auto-brightness doesn't work very well. When taking a picture, it snaps the picture a split second after pressing the button. This is a pain in the ass when trying to take pictures of my kid who can't stand still, or anything moving.
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Don't care what HTC phone you have, the cameras have never been great, yea, you could get pretty good but, never great.
HTC has never been known for to be a camera company, some of the upcomming phones SHOULD be starting to use Carl Zeiss lenses and things should be getting bettter in this department. Look up any HTC phone, this is a major compaint for it with most people.
If you got a HTC phone for it's camera, you will be dispointed.
Over all the Tropy is a nice phone, slim, fast and feature filled. No major bells and whistles here but, a good over all phone.
And the only WP7 device that Verizon wireless in the US has....
DavidinCT said:
Don't care what HTC phone you have, the cameras have never been great, yea, you could get pretty good but, never great.
HTC has never been known for to be a camera company, some of the upcomming phones SHOULD be starting to use Carl Zeiss lenses and things should be getting bettter in this department. Look up any HTC phone, this is a major compaint for it with most people.
If you got a HTC phone for it's camera, you will be dispointed.
Over all the Tropy is a nice phone, slim, fast and feature filled. No major bells and whistles here but, a good over all phone.
And the only WP7 device that Verizon wireless in the US has....
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Yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying.
And I didn't want to wait for another WP7 device on Verizon. I like the soft, matte finish on it, but that's it. I wish the Trophy had the same style front glass as the HD7 (how it sort of sits on top of the plastic) but without the size. I think the size of the Trophy is perfect. If that new Nokia phone (the Sea Ray?) comes out as a CDMA device, I'm totally buying it. I don't care if I have to pay full retail, I'll save up for it. It's so nice.
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Yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying.
And I didn't want to wait for another WP7 device on Verizon. I like the soft, matte finish on it, but that's it. I wish the Trophy had the same style front glass as the HD7 (how it sort of sits on top of the plastic) but without the size. I think the size of the Trophy is perfect. If that new Nokia phone (the Sea Ray?) comes out as a CDMA device, I'm totally buying it. I don't care if I have to pay full retail, I'll save up for it. It's so nice.
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It's a shame they can't...or won't...produce a phone like the ones in the early mock-ups that have been floating around for a long while. Those are just purely gorgeous.
If you want a good camera phone, look at the Nokia N8 on google.
N8 camera shots
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...early mock-ups
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never seen them
ryude said:
If you want a good camera phone, look at the Nokia N8 on google.
N8 camera shots
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N9/Sea Ray is coming out and it has a 12mp Carl Zeiss. That's what we mentioned earlier. I have no interest in another OS right now. I'm all about Windows Phone 7.
N9 has Meego, "Sea Ray" is the code name for the hardware. They're releasing it with WP7 but it's only GSM.
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N9/Sea Ray is coming out and it has a 12mp Carl Zeiss. That's what we mentioned earlier. I have no interest in another OS right now. I'm all about Windows Phone 7.
N9 has Meego, "Sea Ray" is the code name for the hardware. They're releasing it with WP7 but it's only GSM.
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Unfortunately, they've already compared the camera on the N9 to the N8 and it's no where near as good. I hope they use the same optics as the N8 for the sea ray.
I have been very happy with the trophy except for a few things.
I'm coming from what was basically an indestructable phone and that is the original moto droid. I never had screen protection or a case and there were no scratches. Gorrila glass is a must have. The 2nd day I had the trophy I ended up with a scratch on the screen.
Battery life. This is fixable with the 1800 mah battery you can find, but why ship the phone with such a weak battery.
storage space. This is an issue with most of the wp7 offerings. Yes it can be fixed but it's not meant to be fixed. I have a 32gb zune and guess what, I want all of that music plus apps on my phone.
3.8 is a decent size, although I really want a 4.3 inch.
Mango is a great upgrade even in beta, I've been keeping a list of things I hope they include or at least improve upon.
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never seen them
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These are the ones I meant...
Oh yeah, I remember those. You don't think the N9 looks nicer? It's so much smoother and symmetrical.
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Oh yeah, I remember those. You don't think the N9 looks nicer? It's so much smoother and symmetrical.
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The N9, N8 both look great, but I prefer the aesthetics of a phone like these mock-ups. They resemble the Samsung Focus a little bit in size and style and I love the styling of the Focus. However, I think I'd prefer these much more so.
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The N9, N8 both look great, but I prefer the aesthetics of a phone like these mock-ups. They resemble the Samsung Focus a little bit in size and style and I love the styling of the Focus. However, I think I'd prefer these much more so.
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it looks like a focus made out of metal instead of plastic
which you like better? And do you think new WP7 phones are coming soon? Will they bring FFC? Dual Core?
Focus all the way (better screen, try doing a side by side comparison, that will highlight the screen differences, camera)
No dual cores (chips not certified), FFC likely
New devices expected within next few months with Mango preinstalled.
IMHO, wait for the HTC Eternity. It looks really nice, its what I'll be getting. 4.7" screen, 1.5 GHz processor, etc. Great specs.
ikingblack said:
IMHO, wait for the HTC Eternity. It looks really nice, its what I'll be getting. 4.7" screen, 1.5 GHz processor, etc. Great specs.
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same. I am ordering pairs of new jeans with bigger pockets.
Well, I have owned both and I much prefer the HD7S over the Focus. The only real asset on the Focus is the screen, and that depends on how you use it. I much prefer the feel of the HD7S and the screen is actually more to my liking on the HD7S as well.
The Focus feels cheap compared to the HD7S IMO. They have the same processor and memory also. The Focus can be upgraded just by adding a supported MicroSD, however, the HD7 can also be upgraded if you are not afraid of a little disassembly.
The thing about devices is the most of it is subjective. I prefer the SLCD and larger screen on the HD7S. I also like the kickstand feature. HTC also gives you an LED flashlight app, which is not available through normal means on other WP7 devices.
I have a Focus for sale if you are interested.
The screen on the HD7s is reportedly pretty nice. And I'm sure if you do a lot of reading of text, may be preferable.
I personally like the form-factor the Focus more, 4" seems to be just right for me.
The Focus also has a better camera.
But honestly, I would try to get your hands around both, and decide for yourself which one feels better.
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Well, I have owned both and I much prefer the HD7S over the Focus. The only real asset on the Focus is the screen, and that depends on how you use it. I much prefer the feel of the HD7S and the screen is actually more to my liking on the HD7S as well.
The Focus feels cheap compared to the HD7S IMO. They have the same processor and memory also. The Focus can be upgraded just by adding a supported MicroSD, however, the HD7 can also be upgraded if you are not afraid of a little disassembly.
The thing about devices is the most of it is subjective. I prefer the SLCD and larger screen on the HD7S. I also like the kickstand feature. HTC also gives you an LED flashlight app, which is not available through normal means on other WP7 devices.
I have a Focus for sale if you are interested.
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Sexy Body of HD7...
The eye-candy level of HD7 is on the top of the chart
they're both nice, i've been tempted to find an hd7s to play with, but i'm more than happy with my focus, i love samoled screens, and 4" is the sweet spot for me size wise.
new wp7 handsets should be coming out his fall/winter, all (most likely) will be single core, but probably clocked higher than the 1ghz soc's we have now, and be running the newer qualcomm chips, i'm sure there will be some FFC handsets too.
if you need a new phone now, i'd go find a focus or hd7s on CL or ebay, i bought mine for 200 a few months ago, i'll possibly sign a contract for a mango device later, especially since they're so close to be released. personally, i'm waiting for the wp7 SGS2 variant.
as to which one, they're both great phones that will perform essentially the same, the focus has an arguably better camera, and a warranty voiding free method of upgrading memory, but the choice will basically come down to which form factor (essentially the size of phone/screen) works best for you.
also, there is more developement (community wise) going on with htc phones vs samsung atm, so that could possibly factor into your choice as well...
The Windows Phone 7 has great window (tab) management. You hit the window button at the bottom and the tabs appear in a visual format. Handy. Android has this too, just without the swish shots of the page.