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I uninstalled Google Talk (accidentally) via Titanium Backup. Obviously a decent screw up as it kills a lot of services without it.
I tried searching for a posted apk, but no luck. Tried extracting it from the roms used in toasts root method, but failed.
I'm an idiot. Flame away, but help, please.
Skrypt said:
I uninstalled Google Talk (accidentally) via Titanium Backup. Obviously a decent screw up as it kills a lot of services without it.
I tried searching for a posted apk, but no luck. Tried extracting it from the roms used in toasts root method, but failed.
I'm an idiot. Flame away, but help, please.
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You're not an idiot because you made a mistake...you're not an idiot period.
I removed it too and I just downloaded damage control, unzipped it, went through the folders, and grabbed gtalkservice.apk out of it, pushed it to my phone and voila...buttt I attached it for you anyhow...
Cheers, mate. I'll give it a shot now.
EDIT: ooo, I love you. If you're ever in Gainesville, FL, I'll buy you a beer. Just PM me! hah
This could be a stupid question but humor me please. What is google talk for??? I've set it up to not activate automaticly but it does anyways killing my battery. Is it needed?
It's a messaging app, like instant messenger type. I don't know if you can actually delete the apk without problems occurring. I wouldn't imagine it eats too much of your battery though.
GTalk as system service
I feel the same as the original poster.....like an idiot.
I deleted the GTalk application as I was not using it and was trying to free up more space. However, I started receiving the "com.google.process.gapps" error soon thereafter.
In looking through forums and the internet, it appears that is a very common error with many causes. However, having the android sdk, it was suggested to use adb to get a bugreport.
In looking at my bugreport, I saw a lot of references to calls to the GTalk service. It is an underlying system service and it appears used by other apps as well. For example, I noticed that my GMail was not syncing consistently and I found myself manually refreshing to get it to sync.
I also noted that almost without fail, when I installed new apps in the Marketplace, I would see the "com.google.process.gapps" error.
My recommendation: Keep GTalk on your phone!
i did the same thing.
What does it mean to push a file to your phone? I dragged into onto my sd card and it still is giving me errors in the marker and constantly syncing...
Help!
This may sound really dumb but how do i go about installing the apk file? it tells me that im not allowed to cuz Google talk isnt referenced in the android market
Google services on your phone rely heavily on GTalk, as you guys are seeing. Even if you don't use it you need to keep it if you want to use pretty much any google apps such as the market, gmail, etc.
To install just put the apk on your sdcard, navigate to it using your favorite file explorer and click on it. Your phone has an installer that will recognize the apk as such and ask you if you want to install it.
Because RavenII was kind enough to post the apk you guys should be able to do all of this right from your phones.
*edit- I don't think it will be a problem but if you are not rooted you might get hung up on the install... wait a second.. if you're not rooted then you wouldn't have been able to remove it in the first place haha
I uninstalled Gtalk and everything is still working fine on my Evo no problems here.
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Google services on your phone rely heavily on GTalk, as you guys are seeing. Even if you don't use it you need to keep it if you want to use pretty much any google apps such as the market, gmail, etc.
To install just put the apk on your sdcard, navigate to it using your favorite file explorer and click on it. Your phone has an installer that will recognize the apk as such and ask you if you want to install it.
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This is a true statement. I am running DC 3.5.
My bad, I was navigating to the wrong file. Up and working now.
Is google voice important? I uninstalled that and I am having issues getting voicemail but I dont think its because of google voice. I was messing with voicemail the last few days and now I cant get it to work.
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Is google voice important? I uninstalled that and I am having issues getting voicemail but I dont think its because of google voice. I was messing with voicemail the last few days and now I cant get it to work.
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GVoice is awesome, I use it and love it so I'm curious why you got rid of it but NO, it is not critical to anything on your phone, you can get along just fine without it.
If you were using gvioce and now you are not then you need to be sure you've done the following:
-Dial *38 and hit send. The call will drop and your gvoice line will be disassociated with your phone
-Under menu>settings>call_settings>voicemail_service make sure it is set to "my carrier"
-Under menu>settings>call_settings>voicemail_settings make sure your Voicemail number is set to your cellphone number
That should get you up and running.
I will offer this: I don't know what caused you to decide not to use gvoice but I had tons of problems with my Sprint voicemail service interfering with gvoice. I called Sprint and had them actually remove voicemail service from my account. GVoice has been flawless since then.
Looks like a spoke too soon. Sync keeps getting stuck at the google contacts part, gives me an error saying "sync is currently experiencing problems. it will be back shortly."
Anybody know what gtalk (or any other critial programs) has to do with this?
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Looks like a spoke too soon. Sync keeps getting stuck at the google contacts part, gives me an error saying "sync is currently experiencing problems. it will be back shortly."
Anybody know what gtalk has to do with this?
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lol, I almost posted that you must have some special setp because you would be the first.. but I didn't want to sound like an a-hole..
I don't know specifically what it is in gtalk that maintains google services, it's probably the program they use to maintain the google accounts database..
Correct me if im wrong, but I thought there was a thread that confirmed that in froyo Gtalk isn't really necessary in order for all the other Gapps to run correctly. I know for sure I don't have Gtalk installed and everything is working fine in my Evo.
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Correct me if im wrong, but I thought there was a thread that confirmed that in froyo Gtalk isn't really necessary in order for all the other Gapps to run correctly. I know for sure I don't have Gtalk installed and everything is working fine in my Evo.
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Interesting, I haven't heard this but it wouldn't surprise me
not sure. any help on why my sync is f'ed up?
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GVoice is awesome, I use it and love it so I'm curious why you got rid of it but NO, it is not critical to anything on your phone, you can get along just fine without it.
If you were using gvioce and now you are not then you need to be sure you've done the following:
-Dial *38 and hit send. The call will drop and your gvoice line will be disassociated with your phone
-Under menu>settings>call_settings>voicemail_service make sure it is set to "my carrier"
-Under menu>settings>call_settings>voicemail_settings make sure your Voicemail number is set to your cellphone number
That should get you up and running.
I will offer this: I don't know what caused you to decide not to use gvoice but I had tons of problems with my Sprint voicemail service interfering with gvoice. I called Sprint and had them actually remove voicemail service from my account. GVoice has been flawless since then.
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How do I forward calls to my google voice number? My carrier is google voice and my voice mail number is my google voice number. If you call my phone number it doesnt forward to google voice voice mail. However if you call my google voice mail number and leave me a voice mail I get a Gvoice message. So its working so why not stick with it. I originaly didnt want to use it because i had to sign in and I didnt want it wasting battery lol.
Edit; Never mind I think i was expecting the wrong number to forward lol its working. I guess this means I will have to give everyone my google voice number now. I was kinda hoping I could forward my number to my google voice number. Or can I after typing this edit I confused my self great lol.
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I got fed up and reflashed DC3.5.
I had a bit of a debacle with the DI18 Gmail app yesterday. I received a really important email and replied to it promptly through the Gmail app, hit send and then took a nap. Two hours later, I wake up and see that my reply was STILL SENDING.
Even worse, I checked my Gmail on a computer and it said the email I replied to WASN'T EVEN READ.
So I flashed the ACS-modified DK28 and it seems to be working better, but now it seems the most important calls I make are MUTED on the other end, and they still connect.
So I'm left with a dilemma: is there a good working email app (Gmail or non-Gmail) out there that just WORKS??? (I've tried K-9 Mail but I didn't really like it) Or should I stay with the working DK28 version and have randomly muted calls?
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I had a bit of a debacle with the DI18 Gmail app yesterday. I received a really important email and replied to it promptly through the Gmail app, hit send and then took a nap. Two hours later, I wake up and see that my reply was STILL SENDING.
Even worse, I checked my Gmail on a computer and it said the email I replied to WASN'T EVEN READ.
So I flashed the ACS-modified DK28 and it seems to be working better, but now it seems the most important calls I make are MUTED on the other end, and they still connect.
So I'm left with a dilemma: is there a good working email app (Gmail or non-Gmail) out there that just WORKS??? (I've tried K-9 Mail but I didn't really like it) Or should I stay with the working DK28 version and have randomly muted calls?
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Honestly there are not many alternatives. You already tried K9. I am not having any issues with calls or gmail. Not sure what is going wrong on your end. Did you wipe everything before flashing?
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Honestly there are not many alternatives. You already tried K9. I am not having any issues with calls or gmail. Not sure what is going wrong on your end. Did you wipe everything before flashing?
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Yes, I did a complete wipe.
I remember I always had a problem with sync in stock DI18 for some reason, like when I first got the phone. (Actually, on stock DI18, there wasn't even an option to sync my Google Calendar on an account that had one.) That's why I started working with roms and rooting and etc.
Are you using exchange?
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Are you using exchange?
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No, I'm just using Google accounts. Sometimes they work, sometimes not.
MailDroid is a good option.
I was having the same issue. Make sure auto-sync is checked in Setting->Accounts and Sync. If that doesn't in the Gmail app you can go to your outbox and manually force the email to be sent.
I like the galaxy tab one
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MailDroid is a good option.
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Yes, Maildroid is good but it has an ads.
SEVEN is a push type email app that I've been using since my 755p days, back when it was packaged with my Treo, it was called Sprint Email...but it was created by SEVEN. It's not downloadable from the Market, you have to goto SEVEN's website, click on their beta program and then jump through random hoops until you can download it. I had it on my Moment and now me Epic and I love it. I run 6 different email accounts, from Yahoo, Hotmail, Gmail, and AOHell and they all work perfectly, show images (from Harbor Freight ads for example) and even shows unique icons on the taskbar for each email account. Just make sure to set it up correctly, otherwise it'll do things like not check email during certain hours or on the weekends (a feature I'd never use) or below certain battery percentages. No ads and a great app, and it even comes w/ a beta IM app.
I keep getting these weird texts from 6250 saying VZWNMN 1 and VZWNMN 2. Anyone else see this?
Me to. Comes prior to every email. VZW said they never heard of it.
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I used to receive these, but I figured out how to stop them!
1. Login to your MyVerizon.
2. Find your number and click on Change Features from the bottom right.
3. Select your device/number.
4. Then scroll down until you find Contact Management and click remove!
And they're gone.
EDIT: Don't want to take credit for this, I got this from Droid Life, but I re-wrote it.
Thank you kind sir! This helped!
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I've synced/added gmail and yahoo mail accounts at setup and found that only the yahoo account was affected. Now I just use yahoo mail through their app and the functionality is much better/no VZWNMN emails.
This problem seemed to change from ROM to ROM(some were affected, some not).
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I've synced/added gmail and yahoo mail accounts at setup and found that only the yahoo account was affected. Now I just use yahoo mail through their app and the functionality is much better/no VZWNMN emails.
This problem seemed to change from ROM to ROM(some were affected, some not).
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I had this problem when I went from a Sense rom back to CM7. I think it happens because on the Sense rom, during setup, it syncs your contacts and email to Verizon. When I flashed a different rom, it could no longer sync.
This has to be one of the most annoying things Verizon has done. I don't mind it syncing. It is actually kind of cool. I don't know how many times I have deleted a very important email and had no backup.
But texting me everytime I get an email is annoying and a pain.
For awhile, I was avoiding ROMs(like MIUI for me) that seemed to have this VZWNMN problem more than others I was using.
I've found that using a market email app(for me, Yahoo!) is better than trying to use the installed android email app for non-Google email. Functionality(like folders) is much better, too.
If you use Titanium to back-up apps, you don't need to re-sign into your email app when you change ROM's, just restore and away you go...
All,
No credit here- I just wanted to let all of those looking for Visual Voice Mail for CM10 or other AOSP roms I have tested this on L710 SGS3 for Sprint and it does work. I tried it on CM10 nightly 8/20.
http://epicaokp.blogspot.com/2012/05/aokpcm9-fixed-sprint-visual-voicemail.html
I didnt find a thread on this so sorry if its already out there. just dwnload the Zip and flash in CWM. Some say it doesnt work in other recoveries such as TWRP. I used CWM.
you can hit thanks if you want but I did not make this... I just braved it and reported it. VVM is very important to me. Only reason to keep sprint.
enjoy
Wow, this is one of the main reasons why I stayed away from CM rom in the past. I can't live without VVM... can't stand wasting 20mins sifting thru audio voicemails with a pen and paper.
Will it update to the new version or are we stuck with the version that gets flashed? VVM just had an update in the past few weeks, i think i'm on the latest which is 5.3.0.32.
I had visual voice mail with cm10 by just making a titanium backup of it from a rom that had it, then restoring when I ran cm10.
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Are you serious? Just find an apk and install. That's what I did.
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Wow, this is one of the main reasons why I stayed away from CM rom in the past. I can't live without VVM... can't stand wasting 20mins sifting thru audio voicemails with a pen and paper.
Will it update to the new version or are we stuck with the version that gets flashed? VVM just had an update in the past few weeks, i think i'm on the latest which is 5.3.0.32.
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You never had to. Google voice provides a better voicemail if you ask me. And to the folks that dont like the deep integration, you can break the tie-in and just use it for the voicemail.
But yeah... VVM is good too. I just have fewer issues with google voice.
I need the "call record" app.
There's an app section for that
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You never had to. Google voice provides a better voicemail if you ask me. And to the folks that dont like the deep integration, you can break the tie-in and just use it for the voicemail.
But yeah... VVM is good too. I just have fewer issues with google voice.
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I can't find a thread that details that and the Google instructions are a joke. Care to fill us in on how you did that?
No offense but, Google voice is crap IMO. Or at least it was crap a year ago. That's what I tried to use when I was on cm7 on the epic. I hated it. Vvm is well worth the 2$ a month to me. I run a business with this phone, it's gotta be reliable. Like I said it's been a year since I last tried it, but the impression it left was a disaster to my business for an entire week.
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No offense but, Google voice is crap IMO. Or at least it was crap a year ago. That's what I tried to use when I was on cm7 on the epic. I hated it. Vvm is well worth the 2$ a month to me. I run a business with this phone, it's gotta be reliable. Like I said it's been a year since I last tried it, but the impression it left was a disaster to my business for an entire week.
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You should give Google Voice another try. Make sure you set it up from a PC.
I also run a busniess from my phone and the option for different contacts to hear a different voicemail greeting is worth the price of admission on its own.
I have my main voicemail greeting set up as my business name and then I have a different voicemail greetings for my personal contacts.
I can login to any PC and retrieve my voice mail, no phone needed. I'm not sure if Sprint VVM does that or not.
I honestly would not be able to run my business without Google Voice.
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You should give Google Voice another try. Make sure you set it up from a PC.
I also run a busniess from my phone and the option for different contacts to hear a different voicemail greeting is worth the price of admission on its own.
I have my main voicemail greeting set up as my business name and then I have a different voicemail greetings for my personal contacts.
I can login to any PC and retrieve my voice mail, no phone needed. I'm not sure if Sprint VVM does that or not.
I honestly would not be able to run my business without Google Voice.
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Maybe I will give it another try. I'm gonna read up on it so I can set it up properly before I attempt to switch. Thanks.
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Xalky said:
Wow, this is one of the main reasons why I stayed away from CM rom in the past. I can't live without VVM... can't stand wasting 20mins sifting thru audio voicemails with a pen and paper.
Will it update to the new version or are we stuck with the version that gets flashed? VVM just had an update in the past few weeks, i think i'm on the latest which is 5.3.0.32.
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Wow guys... Ok heres the skinny. I did a TB but the backup was not there after CM10. IDK y im working on it.
#2 I tried installing .apk- didnt work, kept saying your acct cannot be verified. Thats because the supporting files are not in place in AOSP- this is the way it has been since AOSP, so idk what he's talking about.
# 3 yes it did update.
#4 Google voice is horrible- I have tried it multiple times I always get beeps in the middle of my calls and the transcriptions are terrible, best part of google voice is missed call notifications even when you didnt get the call.
Now This is a Sprint VVM thread please keep it that way and if you want to run your mouth about something else then go somewhere else. Also dont need info about other apps or whatever-
Contribute or just keep moving...
I wanted to thank ya'll for posting this. Great stuff.
Just some observations...
This is the second-to-latest Sprint Visual Voicemail application. It works well, is stable, and I love it on Paranoid Android 1.9.9
Just a note - if you're worried that upgrading to this will delete your current store of voice mail files, it will not. If all you're doing is *flashing* this on an already-rooted ROM using CMW 5.0+, you're going to be okay. I played around with it earlier today. No problems whatsoever, all stable, no SNAFUS. I don't know why some people have reported issues.
Hoppingfully yours,
--SLN
Does this give the weird text every time you get a voicemail like all the other CM's?
Cm flashers are always pushing Google voice, but I find it to be extremely inconvenient and complicated and the voice to text translations are horrible. VVM is the only way to fly in my opinion. I'm getting the 9016 text thing on freegs3 now, but it doesn't bother me. It's just another notification. I just delete the thread after a while. I've been flashing so much lately that the text notification actually caught a few messages while I was flashing.
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This should be in themes and apps not development. Especially since you didn't make it. Plus there is already a thread on themes apps with I believe the same vvm.
I know you're trying to contribute but please post in the right place.
-Sprint Galaxy Slll_Transformer Prime-
Yes i do still get the annoying texts.
Then maybe someone needs to work on the search function. I searched before posting so w/e dude. I pit it in development because you have to flash in recovery. This isn't just an apk
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I think the important question is why is this in the development thread? Please read the rules so you understand where to post. It makes the forums much easier to navigate if everyone posts in the correct forum.
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stop annoying text messages.
the Text messages can be stopped by recording a voicemail message and sending it to the following address: [email protected]
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the Text messages can be stopped by recording a voicemail message and sending it to the following address: [email protected]
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Incorrect. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PEOPLE PLEASE USE THE SEARCH feature built into the xda forums. These text messages have been around since CM6, its how AOSP works. The only way to remove them is use chompsms, gosms, or something similar to block the 9016 text messages.
There is an APK in the Apps and Themes section here, install that, reboot to recovery, fix permissions, reboot phone, open vvm app, send 25 second message to [email protected] and it will provision and work. I have never had a single problem getting VVM to work since CM6 following these steps.
I think it's a horrible app you can't see who is online or busy or whatever. This is not a chat service anymore. There is no contact list basically listing all the people from your G+ and contacts. It's horrible!. In every level. I have to scroll through 800 contacts or search just to send a message and it doesn't even let me know if that person is online, so I have no idea how they are getting my messages
I have to agree. This is pretty terrible. They even removed the calling option so its just video now, as if video-only makes sense on a PHONE.
Hopefully Talk isn't dead by the end of the year.
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Thankfully when you uninstall google hangouts you get google talk back
I'm going to agree as well. I dont like that I cant see who's online. And almost all of my contacts dont have this service so, in my opinion, they shouldnt show up at all.
If you guys have any link to updated apk please post it
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Wow, that sounds bad. I'm so glad I saw this thread before installing this garbage.
kenedy said:
If you guys have any link to updated apk please post it
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It's in the Play Store
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Wow, that sounds bad. I'm so glad I saw this thread before installing this garbage.
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I just sent a message to a yahoo account, thinking I was going to get an email or something, NOP! Nothing, so you have to be totally sure that message you're sending it's to someone who has a gmail account
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Thankfully when you uninstall google hangouts you get google talk back
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I did that as soon as it asked me to confirm my phone number. I really just want the built-in IM that came with my account, not a Whatsapp clone to replace it. I already have Whatsapp.
Hopefully Talk never dies. Hangouts is social media disguised as instant messaging.
So after watching a video on it, I realized it does show who is online by displaying their profile pic at the bottom when they join the hangout. But still, it shouldnt display ALL my contacts in the contact list. Just the ones who have the ability to use it.
Idk maybe it's just me, but I like the new hangout. You can send screenshots again and everything. Granted, it takes some getting used to, but after playing with it a bit, its growing on me
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So after watching a video on it, I realized it does show who is online by displaying their profile pic at the bottom when they join the hangout. But still, it shouldnt display ALL my contacts in the contact list. Just the ones who have the ability to use it.
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exactly!
I just wish it was a proper unified messaging app - i.e. could send carrier SMS to non-Hangout contacts. Incidentally, anyone know what happens to the message if you do try and send to someone who doesn't have it? Must get routed somewhere?
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I just wish it was a proper unified messaging app - i.e. could send carrier SMS to non-Hangout contacts. Incidentally, anyone know what happens to the message if you do try and send to someone who doesn't have it? Must get routed somewhere?
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I'm still waiting for the message I sent to my yahoo account
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I'm still waiting for the message I sent to my yahoo account
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I would think this only works with Gmail/Google+ users. Which, again, is why not all contacts should not be displayed. I'm going to try and search for some info on this.
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I just wish it was a proper unified messaging app - i.e. could send carrier SMS to non-Hangout contacts. Incidentally, anyone know what happens to the message if you do try and send to someone who doesn't have it? Must get routed somewhere?
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Why would you think this would happen? Google doesn't want you using carrier SMS anyway. They will shift us to internet-based messaging completely someday. That's why you didn't get SMS integration.
I'm guessing it gets sent to their Google Talk.
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I think it's a horrible app you can't see who is online or busy or whatever. This is not a chat service anymore. There is no contact list basically listing all the people from your G+ and contacts. It's horrible!. In every level. I have to scroll through 800 contacts or search just to send a message and it doesn't even let me know if that person is online, so I have no idea how they are getting my messages
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So if you go and try to start a hangout it will show you a list of people to start the hangout with, people not available(offline) has their picture grayed out and the available(online) are shown as usual. As far as the video calling-I think if the person on the other end doesn't have video calling available(due to no front facing camera on their phone or no camera on the desktop/laptop) only voice calling will be the option available....have to test it though... I think it's fresh and after awhile it will get better...I don't hate it.
Sadly a lot not to like so far. I was wondering why there were duplicate users in my contact list, if they are showing non-gmail email accounts separately I guess that explains it. Unfortunately, it doesn't show what account users in the list are coming from so you don't know which one you can use, if any.
Hopefully they will fix the contact mess and re-add status information (online/busy/offline, mobile/desktop). I like the new emoji, but hardly seems worth the great leap backwards in functionality.
On the plus side, you can finally copy text from your message history, so that's one longstanding, inexplicable failure corrected
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I like the new emoji, but hardly seems worth the great leap backwards in functionality.
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This is what is really annoying. It feels like a dumbed-down product even though its been in the making for what seems like forever. It even requires you to join G+ to get the most out of it. Plus, its not even really that unified, as people still have G+ messenger since this only replaces Talk.
Heck, the app rating in the Play store has plummeted to 3.9 as I type this. What a joke.
completely useless.
I can't believe it took them two years to make this.
google talk was MUCH better, and compared to let's say, whatsapp, google talk was completely useless. that's how bad this thing is.