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so what is the best thing to do?
is there any way of charging,dis charging ect to get the best battery life?
or should i just charg it to 100% and use it right away?
i did a charging squence with my nexus s. but duno about the Gn.
for me is to turn on the device and start working until the battery drops to 0-1%.
only then im charging it X2 then needed to go to 100%, you can make it Double if you want.
Well, this is going to be one of those threads where everyone has their own little way to care for a battery and others say their way is better, etc, etc the arguments breaking out which will result in people posting www.batteryuniversity.com in an effort to win said arguments.
Here's mine. On a brand new phone, I put the battery in, boot up, connect the charger, run it to 100%, disconnect charge, run battery all the way down, connect the charge, run to 100% and go about my life charging when I need to.
My two cents. Have no idea if it does any good, but my SGSII is going on 1 day 14 hrs on a single charge, so it must work somehow...
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Well, this is going to be one of those threads where everyone has their own little way to care for a battery and others say their way is better, etc, etc the arguments breaking out which will result in people posting www.batteryuniversity.com in an effort to win said arguments.
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100% Agree. There will be a lot of different opinions.
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Here's mine. On a brand new phone, I put the battery in, boot up, connect the charger, run it to 100%, disconnect charge, run battery all the way down, connect the charge, run to 100% and go about my life charging when I need to.
My two cents. Have no idea if it does any good, but my SGSII is going on 1 day 14 hrs on a single charge, so it must work somehow...
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My way,
Turn on phone, charge it to 100%, leave it plugged for an extra 20 min, and start using it normally.
The only time I discharge a battery is after a couple of months. Because we never charge it to 100% and they start creating memory and charging less and less every time. The purpose of discharging it completely is to erase its memory. That's why when it is new, I see no point on discharging it completely. Batteries suffer every time they are completely discharged and if they are left 100% for a long period of time, thats why new batteries always come charged about 50%, to extend battery life since they may be stored for a long period of time. (ref. aviation school)
Just my 2 cents.
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The only time I discharge a battery is after a couple of months. Because we never charge it to 100% and they start creating memory and charging less and less every time. The purpose of discharging it completely is to erase its memory. That's why when it is new, I see no point on discharging it completely. (ref. aviation school)
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That hasn't been true since NiCd's in the 1980s.
Modern Lithium-Ion and Lithium-Polymer batteries have no "memory" and are actively damaged if allowed to discharge fully.
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That hasn't been true since NiCd's in the 1980s.
Modern Lithium-Ion and Lithium-Polymer batteries have no "memory" and are actively damaged if allowed to discharge fully.
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OK, I may be wrong I'm no expert.
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)
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Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)
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Generally because they don't know any better and they don't realise battery technology has moved on.
Because batteries "back in the days" were quite sensitive to memory. That's why we were all raised by the complete-discharge-mantra, which sticks with you forever. The next generation won't have this problem and will feel free to charge their phones when they want to. ;-)
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OK, I may be wrong I'm no expert.
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)
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Becouse android in itself keeps a battery log, it is from this log your device calculates the amount of battery you have left. To keep these values true (calibrated) you should do 2-3 cycles where you on purchase, discharge fully until device auto shut down, start it WITHOUT charge a couple of times and let it die to set the min value, charge up to 100%, use your device again till auto shut down... you dont have to worry about damaging your battery in this case since your device it programmed to shut down with good marginal of battery depletion. What you SHOULD NOT do is leave an empty battery uncharged for a long period of time.
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Lithium batteries will be damaged if they are stored fully charged or fully discharged for extended periods of time. Thats why the battery is about half charged when its new. They have no memory effect, they just loose capacity.
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Becouse android in itself keeps a battery log, it is from this log your device calculates the amount of battery you have left. To keep these values true (calibrated) you should do 2-3 cycles where you on purchase, discharge fully until device auto shut down, start it WITHOUT charge a couple of times and let it die to set the min value, charge up to 100%, use your device again till auto shut down... you dont have to worry about damaging your battery in this case since your device it programmed to shut down with good marginal of battery depletion. What you SHOULD NOT do is leave an empty battery uncharged for a long period of time.
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Good point. While it's important not to fully discharge the battery too often, there is also the issue of calibrating the battery meter.
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Well, this is going to be one of those threads where everyone has their own little way to care for a battery and others say their way is better, etc, etc the arguments breaking out which will result in people posting www.batteryuniversity.com in an effort to win said arguments.
Here's mine. On a brand new phone, I put the battery in, boot up, connect the charger, run it to 100%, disconnect charge, run battery all the way down, connect the charge, run to 100% and go about my life charging when I need to.
My two cents. Have no idea if it does any good, but my SGSII is going on 1 day 14 hrs on a single charge, so it must work somehow...
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That's exactly what I do, had 14 hours of moderate use today and still had 45% left. More than happy with that. It seems to be getting better each day at the moment.
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That's exactly what I do, had 14 hours of moderate use today and still had 45% left. More than happy with that. It seems to be getting better each day at the moment.
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78% after 14 hours here, but that's light use.
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OK, I may be wrong I'm no expert.
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)
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The whole "discharging the battery fully" thing doesn't really apply here - because nobody will ever fully discharge it. The Nexus uses a Lithium Ion cell - it's a single cell, with a nominal voltage of 3.6V. When fully charged, it peaks at 4.2V (at which point, the charging circuitry cuts off to avoid overcharging). However, when we "fully discharge" our phones, the cell only goes as low as 3.5V - and then the phone shuts off.
In reality, lithium cells can discharge to around 3.0V before any damage occurs. However, this would yield very little extra battery life. Stopping at 3.5V provides a wide safety margin (lithium cells are potentially dangerous if overcharged/discharged), whilst extending cell life.
In a nutshell - don't worry about running your phone down to 0% (unless you're putting it in storage, in which case leave it at about 60%). In fact, it's a good thing with a new phone, as cycling (charging and discharging a cell) helps to "wake" the cell up and reach it's max capacity more quickly.
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i see some good ideas about charging and discharging.
but it is indeed a fact that 100% and 0%(real) isnt good for our new race of battery's.
but a few posts here already tell how and what.
and its not gonna be a thread of arguments and stuff,if we all keep it in our heads that we just want to share our tip's of how you think its the best way(and have some experience with it)
just to share some info. and not compete the info against each other.
i well know there are different ways. but its always nice to read what experience people have with it to make a choice for my own and any other wanting to know this.
and i posted here in the GN section,instead of the Android section because each phone handles battery different,and this narrows the options down to a single device :3
Just keep in mind it's not just about the battery itself it's about the software registering how much actual power the battery has at a certain time, so if the battery has in actuality 100% charge in it, and the software reads 80 then your phone will die out sooner. So charging and discharging is good because it calibrates the hardware with the software. Just remember to switch off the device then charge it so the software doesn't auto discharge when it thinks the battery reached 100%.
K i just skipped thru the posts, gonna throw in my input real quick.
Basically just run down the battery. Once it turns off, hold the power button to make sure all the juice is gone. Then charge it up to 100% and leave it there for a good hour. Now (root required) download https://market.android.com/details?...yLDEsImNvbS5uZW1hLmJhdHRlcnljYWxpYnJhdGlvbiJd and follow the instructions .. its not exactly necessary but a nice thing "just in case" .
thats my plan anyways.
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Lithium batteries will be damaged if they are stored fully charged or fully discharged for extended periods of time. Thats why the battery is about half charged when its new. They have no memory effect, they just loose capacity.
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Where does the loosed capacity go? Can it be caught?
And what do you think about charging with the phone being switched on? Is it better to have it switched off?
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And what do you think about charging with the phone being switched on? Is it better to have it switched off?
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Won't make a difference.. Phones are designed to be left on anyway.
Just wondered how most people are charging there One X? Personally I always turn it off and allow it to charge until the light goes green. I've never charged it when it's still been turned on.
I've never switched off any of my android phone's whilst charging. What happens if you get a call? I also try to alternate between charging on my pc and the wall charger.
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I've never switched off any of my android phone's whilst charging. What happens if you get a call? I also try to alternate between charging on my pc and the wall charger.
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Yeah fair statement, I had thought about that. I wasn't sure if it was bad to say plug the phone in at 11pm until 7am (8 hours) charging whilst it being turned on? I assumed if it was going to be plugged in say for that long that you should turn it off.
I just plug it in - went to bed on 80% last night but fair enough I'd hardly used the phone all day (standby battery life is incredible)
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I just plug it in - went to bed on 80% last night but fair enough I'd hardly used the phone all day (standby battery life is incredible)
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So you stuck it on charge just to boost that extra 20% yeah? How come you didn't just leave it until it was low?
Should of asked if people would partially charge it or if they always ensure its fully charged.. Can't amend the poll now though.
I was thinking about trying that - might do that tonight and see how it lasts...
I plug it in to a usb cable
i charge my hox every night on the wall charger while turned on. even if it has 80% left. i am to afraid that my battery level goes under 20% (i heard that falling under that level can damage batteries).
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i charge my hox every night on the wall charger while turned on. even if it has 80% left. i am to afraid that my battery level goes under 20% (i heard that falling under that level can damage batteries).
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Where did you hear that? Mines dropped to 14% before and I then turned it off and charged it and the battery still seems fine. Wasn't aware you could damage the battery if it got too low...
I killed my battery first 2 charges - never have in the past but thought I would this time
I have always charged with the phone on, all my phones since way back having an analogue Nokia mobile and never had any battery issues. Only time I have ever switched my phones off is if I was getting on a plane or the battery got really low and didn't want it to go completely flat.
Just plug it in whenever. Modern li-poly batteries doesn't have memory and charge cycle life is based on full charges.
Part charges actually increase life due to low % cycling
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Just plug it in whenever. Modern li-poly batteries doesn't have memory and charge cycle life is based on full charges.
Part charges actually increase life due to low % cycling
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Agreed.
One thing to note is that you should never let it completely drain the battery, the phone will switch itself off once the battery reaches critical level then it needs a charge. I'd recommend charging it when it reaches 5-15%.
Also I'd never leave it charging over night it interrupts the cycle, if I have to charge it over night I set an alarm to go of after a few hours and unplug it.
i have 3 or 4 charges from different makes-and only htc charges the quickest. the worst is usb cable and car charger. but due to usage i need to charge twice a day
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Also I'd never leave it charging over night it interrupts the cycle, if I have to charge it over night I set an alarm to go of after a few hours and unplug it.
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Dude...
I always charge overnight - purely for convenience really.
Can you explain the above to me? I'm not sure what you mean by it interupts the cycle?
How does it effect the battery ?
Thanks alot
Dean
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Just plug it in whenever. Modern li-poly batteries doesn't have memory and charge cycle life is based on full charges.
Part charges actually increase life due to low % cycling
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You are 100% right most modern phone battery’s don’t have memory any more so no need to worry about it, and no need to do full discharge and recharge cycles to maintain battery health, and if they do they normally tell you in warning labels or in instruction manuals, for example I recently bought a new shaver and it tells you to do a full discharge and then leave it on charge for at least 12 hours every 3 months to maintain battery life.
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i charge my hox every night on the wall charger while turned on. even if it has 80% left. i am to afraid that my battery level goes under 20% (i heard that falling under that level can damage batteries).
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batteries have safety features built in so don't worry. What for you looks like 0-1% left - what android is showing you, might be actually 10-20% as seen internally by the battery.
Also, I have completely discharged my phone once, I simply left it at 1% and waited until it shut off. Then I charged to 100%. From then on, I charge whenever I want, phone is always ON.
Ebay 2m cable (the HTC one's length is a joke).
I use a charging cable.
My friend sticks it next to his head and uses his brainwaves to charge it.
Both seem to work fine.
Im really sorry for this post. I could not resist.
You guys are ridiculous. Just plug the phone in and it charges.
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What is best in terms of battery longevity?
1 - Wait until battery level fall below a certain level (and which % is ideal to start charging)
or
2- Charge the battery as frequently soon as possible
Thanks for any advice
Lithium batteries last longer if you do not disharge them all the way..
I don't have reference material handy. If you really want some, I will try and find some again..
But basically charge the battery whenever you can or at least do not let it go below say 20 or 25 percent if you are concerned about that. Since our devices have a replaceable battery I do not stress out over it too much. If I cut 6 months off the battery and it only lasts me a year or so, I can always just put in a new one, they are not that expensive..
Now on a device without a replaceable battery is where you really have to be concerned..
Drain till 20% then recharge it. Best way to use lithium battery.
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Drain till 20% then recharge it. Best way to use lithium battery.
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Thank you gentlement for your advice. So far, I connect the USB cable each time I sit at the desk. Even if battery is 9x% full. I will stop doing this now.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
says it's best to keep the battery charged. best to keep the battery levels at 40-90%
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
says it's best to keep the battery charged. best to keep the battery levels at 40-90%
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Huh, I heard it was around 20%~80%...
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Huh, I heard it was around 20%~80%...
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yea could be, just don't discharge or overcharge the battery :good:
i haven't looked into it lately. but i'm pretty sure our phones don't discharge the battery till it's technically at 0% (~3V)
i'll run my phone down tonight and check it with a mutlimeter to verify...
i wouldn't be surprised to find out the phone stops charging the battery before it's at a true 100% either. so i guess i'll check that too.
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i wouldn't be surprised to find out the phone stops charging the battery before it's at a true 100% either. so i guess i'll check that too.
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I was also puzzled by the warning of overcharging issue. I read somewhere that the GalNexus has an electronic which prevents overcharging. I am very interested by your verification if that is true. Because frankly, it would be very inconvenient to wake in the middle of every night to disconnect the charger.
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I was also puzzled by the warning of overcharging issue. I read somewhere that the GalNexus has an electronic which prevents overcharging. I am very interested by your verification if that is true. Because frankly, it would be very inconvenient to wake in the middle of every night to disconnect the charger.
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there are wall chargers that have timers on them, they shut off power after a custom time
You can't overcharge a phone by leaving it plugged in all night, the charging circuit only allows it to charge to a certain point. You can overcharge a phone by plugging it in everytime it hits 90% because you're being all OCD about it. Over time that will screw up your battery
The main thing you want to avoid is heat, which will seriously degrade the life of the battery. I only charge my phone once a day(before I go to bed). I've been doing this since I got my first Android device(well, my Nexus S had to be charged like 3 times a day :| ) and have never run into any premature battery failures.
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You can't overcharge a phone by leaving it plugged in all night, the charging circuit only allows it to charge to a certain point. You can overcharge a phone by plugging it in everytime it hits 90% because you're being all OCD about it. Over time that will screw up your battery
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Oh that's what overcharging mean? Ok thanks.
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You can't overcharge a phone by leaving it plugged in all night, the charging circuit only allows it to charge to a certain point. You can overcharge a phone by plugging it in everytime it hits 90% because you're being all OCD about it. Over time that will screw up your battery
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Quite the opposite is true, regarding the second part of your reply, actually.
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Actually, it's never a bad time to charge a lithium battery because the charge you are using is always the oldest added. Consider it as a bucket with golf balls and a hole at the bottom. You load golf balls from the top and use them one at a time from the hole on the bottom.
All lithium batteries have circuitry built into them to prevent overcharging but at the same time the circuitry needs power to operate. If you drain your battery down to nothing and leave it uncharged for a long time the circuitry will drain the reserve and you will not be able to charge it at all.
Another fact about lithium batteries is that you can charge them more times than their natural life span. So as soon as a battery is manufactured it starts to go bad just sitting on a shelf. So buy them fresh. They have thousands of charge cycles and only about 2-3 years life. So even if you charge all cells inside 2-3 times daily (remember the bucket analogy) that's only about 1,000 charges in a year.
Also, you could plug your phone in and out 100 times during one day and still not complete one full charge cycle.
Conclusion ; charge it whenever you can, whenever you want. You'll need a new battery in about 2-3 years anyway in which time you'll most likely get a new phone.
Thanks obsanity. Oh wow, this is indeed even better. Thank you very much for the technical background explanation.
So as soon as a battery is manufactured it starts to go bad just sitting on a shelf.
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Are those the cheap batteries you find on eBay, the kind of $20 for 3 batteries?
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Thanks obsanity. Oh wow, this is indeed even better. Thank you very much for the technical background explanation.
Are those the cheap batteries you find on eBay, the kind of $20 for 3 batteries?
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the cheap ebay batteries use a cheap/inferior chemistry. they may be capable of the same Mah as stock for example when new, but i wouldn't count on it to age as well compared to OEM.
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Actually, it's never a bad time to charge a lithium battery because the charge you are using is always the oldest added. Consider it as a bucket with golf balls and a hole at the bottom. You load golf balls from the top and use them one at a time from the hole on the bottom.
All lithium batteries have circuitry built into them to prevent overcharging but at the same time the circuitry needs power to operate. If you drain your battery down to nothing and leave it uncharged for a long time the circuitry will drain the reserve and you will not be able to charge it at all.
Another fact about lithium batteries is that you can charge them more times than their natural life span. So as soon as a battery is manufactured it starts to go bad just sitting on a shelf. So buy them fresh. They have thousands of charge cycles and only about 2-3 years life. So even if you charge all cells inside 2-3 times daily (remember the bucket analogy) that's only about 1,000 charges in a year.
Also, you could plug your phone in and out 100 times during one day and still not complete one full charge cycle.
Conclusion ; charge it whenever you can, whenever you want. You'll need a new battery in about 2-3 years anyway in which time you'll most likely get a new phone.
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Thanks for the clarification!
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Are those the cheap batteries you find on eBay, the kind of $20 for 3 batteries?
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I would say they are not only old but also fake claims of capacity. It's actually hard to measure how much a battery can hold so they take advantage of it. Who's going to prove them wrong?
system shutdown occurs on the Galaxy Nexus at 3.39 volts (assumed, measured voltage with no load is 3.42)
in theory you could get a bit better battery life at the cost of cell longevity by running it down to 3.2 volts. assuming the system could continue to function.
EDIT: full system charge is 4.2 volts, as expected. i don't see a practical benefit to modifying the system to run at below 3.4 volts, even if possible.
My battery wasn't holding a charge so I went to a T-Mobile store to get it replaced and they asked me if I leave it to charge overnight I go yeah so it has charge for the day and they told me not to because it destroys the charge. So xda community aka the experts let me know if this is true and if it is, how am I supposed to charge my phone?
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I've charged this phone almost every night since I got it (early June) and my battery is still doing outstanding. There are times when charging it over night the battery will set it self to draw battery so it can recharge and not cause harm I believe. There are many superstitious theories and others that "battery experts" say charging over night can be harmful. Overall I don't buy into too much. I always try to unplug as soon as it hits 100% though.
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I don't think its true either.. I've charged all my phones like that since I can remember and never had problems with battery, other than software related problems that drained battery, but fixable.. Did you check if maybe it was software related and not due to the battery?
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That's so stupid. With how limited these batteries are not being able to start the day at 100% is unacceptable.
I always leave it to charge overnight.
Just now I unplugged by mobile after overnight charging
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Its bs they are like bots so they are programmed to say these things. Basically to appear as they know the "answer" to your problem. So got work in the morning I'm not suppose to charge my phone overnight and leave with 5% battery in the morning, they know they charge their phone every night. When a rep ask me that same question once I said "No I leave to work with my Samsung flip phone because I can't charge my 500 phone overnight".. *sarcasm*.
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All nighter here too. No issues whatsoever. Mine Gets warm when charging the cools back down after fully charged.
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This use to be true on older phones. The galaxy S 3 and most new phones stop charging once they hit 100% it will only start charging again when it drops under 100.
And even before on older phones where it wasn't recommended I did it anyway. No harm done.
I've done this with all my phones, nothing ever happened to them
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Overcharging protection, while present, can fail.
If you guys want to have a full charge in the morning, try an outlet timer - or put it in airplane mode overnight (I do that, battery is down only 1-3% after ~8 hours). You could also turn off data + wifi - so phone calls are still there if you are really worried about getting an emergency call in the middle of the night, the call function is still there, but apps aren't syncing and wasting battery and sleep time doing so.
I'm just not comfortable with the fire risk of leaving it in overnight. Sure, it probably won't fail - but if it does ? Why take that chance when there are other solutions ? I just charge it at my desk before going to bed, unplug it when it reports full charge.
It's the same kind of risk as putting a 100W bulb in a 60W socket - sure, you might be fine for a while, you might never have problems - but you might also start a fire when components fail under the stress.
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Overcharging protection, while present, can fail.
If you guys want to have a full charge in the morning, try an outlet timer - or put it in airplane mode overnight (I do that, battery is down only 1-3% after ~8 hours). You could also turn off data + wifi - so phone calls are still there if you are really worried about getting an emergency call in the middle of the night, the call function is still there, but apps aren't syncing and wasting battery and sleep time doing so.
I'm just not comfortable with the fire risk of leaving it in overnight. Sure, it probably won't fail - but if it does ? Why take that chance when there are other solutions ? I just charge it at my desk before going to bed, unplug it when it reports full charge.
It's the same kind of risk as putting a 100W bulb in a 60W socket - sure, you might be fine for a while, you might never have problems - but you might also start a fire when components fail under the stress.
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Is there some sort of smart outlet that can stop charging when it reached 100%? I guess in a way the same as the outlets that has a master outlet and able to turn off the rest when the master outlet is off?
I charge mine overnight
I usually let me charge overnight, it hasn't caused any problems for 6 months now.
It is true that your battery being at 100% charge (even if charging to the battery has stopped) is harder on your battery and overall capacity will lower at a faster rate than one stored at 60%. The thing is the difference is negligible over a year. It is technically best for your phone to be charged to 100% and then removed from charge so the battery can drain but we are talking about the difference of wether the half life of your battery is 3 or 4 years. overnight charging is not why your battery has failed.
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It is true that your battery being at 100% charge (even if charging to the battery has stopped) is harder on your battery and overall capacity will lower at a faster rate than one stored at 60%. The thing is the difference is negligible over a year. It is technically best for your phone to be charged to 100% and then removed from charge so the battery can drain but we are talking about the difference of wether the half life of your battery is 3 or 4 years. overnight charging is not why your battery has failed.
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Agreed it was probably a defective one he got. Even though the s3 is really awesome I'm not sure all if us will still have this phone 3 or 4 years from now. So go ahead and charge it don't worry.
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Is it safe to charging at night, if it's not, what will it do to the battery?
Customer service always tells me to charge it just for 3-4 hours, but I have difficulty with that since I get home late and I leave early, but I still manage to get a full battery without it charging overnight but I would just like to know
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kevinrubio1 said:
Is it safe to charging at night, if it's not, what will it do to the battery?
Customer service always tells me to charge it just for 3-4 hours, but I have difficulty with that since I get home late and I leave early, but I still manage to get a full battery without it charging overnight but I would just like to know
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I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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Hmm that's weird, but from the sounds of that, I don't think it's healthy for the battery to charge for a long time
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lordcheeto03 said:
I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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Sounds like Google services are using your phone at night. That happens to s lot of people but can be stopped if you follow the battery life thread that skipjacks started.
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lalec said:
Sounds like Google services are using your phone at night. That happens to s lot of people but can be stopped if you follow the battery life thread that skipjacks started.
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That thread is perfect! I would use it but I need notifications to notify me but I did use it for a night! Amazing difference
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lalec said:
Sounds like Google services are using your phone at night. That happens to s lot of people but can be stopped if you follow the battery life thread that skipjacks started.
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I do use that guide. My signal is terrible and is what drains my battery. I really don't believe that is related to any app running wild and draining my battery because from completely dead to 100% takes about 2.5-3 hours with me using it, WiFi on, brightness at 100%, etc; I can also easily get over 2 days without a charge with light use... It would be more but my lack of signal accounts for an almost 1.5% per hour idle drain. Good signal areas I'll drain less than .5% per hour with no use/app changes outside of having a strong signal.
Weird...
When your phone charges to 100%, your phone knows to stop charging, mine always stops charging when is says "reached 100%". I just leave it on the charger and it stays steady at 100 until i take it off.
It shouldn't effect the lithium ion, either.
I thought that was the special thing about lithium ion?
They don't wear down?
Idk, could be wrong.
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Overnight charging is a no no. More info here http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
I always leave it charging when I fall asleep. And if, IF I wake up in the middle of my sleep and see that it's at 100% I'll unplug it. If I don't wake-up I'll just leave it charging until I wake up. Been doing that since before I even had a smartphone and never had any problems. Then again I do switch phones every year
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lordcheeto03 said:
I do use that guide. My signal is terrible and is what drains my battery. I really don't believe that is related to any app running wild and draining my battery because from completely dead to 100% takes about 2.5-3 hours with me using it, WiFi on, brightness at 100%, etc; I can also easily get over 2 days without a charge with light use... It would be more but my lack of signal accounts for an almost 1.5% per hour idle drain. Good signal areas I'll drain less than .5% per hour with no use/app changes outside of having a strong signal.
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A bad signal will definitely drain your battery. When I know I am in an area without signal and will be there for a few hours I turn my phone's power off so I have some battery left when I need it.
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I've always charged my phone at night and have never had usages with the battery.
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Bought some cheap batteries on Amazon, I charge whenever I want, however I want (typically overnight, all night). If I ruin the battery, so be it, I can just pop it out and replace it in 5 seconds. This is the real advantage of having a removable battery.
I've always left my smartphones on the charger overnight. Seven years going and haven't had any issues. I do tend to replace my battery after 9-12 months of use though.
lordcheeto03 said:
I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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This sums it up. Per the article linked earlier in the thread about charging li-ion, it sounds (relatively) trivial for the device manufacturer to implement a charging cut-off after the cells reach a specific voltage level. Once the cells drop to a certain level they're safe to charge again, and the cycle starts over. I don't imagine it's great for the battery to sit on that recharge cycle, but it's not going to over-charge and become a fire hazard.
I imagine external battery chargers might be a little different. That $3 battery & charger from eBay isn't going to have the same safety regulations as a major manufacturer like Samsung.
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Overnight charging is a no no. More info here http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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An interesting tidbit from that article.
Li-ion does not need to be fully charged, as is the case with lead acid, nor is it desirable to do so. In fact, it is better not to fully charge, because high voltages stresses the battery.
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I'm pretty sure a $600 phone can handle any of your charging blunders. Relax kid.
We're not dealing with Nokia's anymore.
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Avoiding full charge has benefits, and some manufacturers set the charge threshold lower on purpose to prolong battery life.
Lithium-ion does not need to be fully charged; a partial charge is better.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
tikay00 said:
I'm pretty sure a $600 phone can handle any of your charging blunders. Relax kid.
We're not dealing with Nokia's anymore.
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All the other comments say not to charge over night...
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I charge mine overnight with no issues.
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I just called Samsung and they highly recommend me to not charge it over night
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norml said:
Avoiding full charge has benefits, and some manufacturers set the charge threshold lower on purpose to prolong battery life.
Lithium-ion does not need to be fully charged; a partial charge is better.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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I get the general concepts that the article presents, but it doesn't really address any advances in charging methodologies that newer devices could add. It reads like it was designed for 'dumb' devices such as cordless phones, rechargable power tools, etc. For instance, it says never to charge with the device powered on. Yet Windows Phones (at least my Lumia 800) won't charge with the device off...plugging it in automatically boots the phone up.
Our phones obviously have more advanced power circuitry, such as being able to hold the power button in and have the device power cycle no matter what state the phone is in, and I assume it applies to other parts of the phone as well.