We have been getting lots of questions about the postcount limit in developmental area's. Most of these questions were along these lines:
What do I have to do to be able to ask a question in the developmental fora?
How many posts do I have to have before I can post in the developmental fora?
Does this mean you want users to start spamming?
Why are you judging users based on their postcount (I have been a long time user on other fora, e.g. I know the ropes)?
There are a few common misunderstandings about the developmental fora I want to address before I dive further into the subject.
Common misunderstandings: (not true)
Developmental fora are for asking questions
It's been said so many times before and I'll say it again, developmental fora are there to release your own creations. Applications, kernels and kitchens all belong there. Guides and tutorials are usually allowed but by definition do not belong there. Everything else does NOT belong there (questions (NOT about development either), news, links to someone else's development). Basically, if you did not create "it", then doesn't belong in development.
How many posts?
10.
You are encouraging members to spam!
No we are not. This is meant for users to take some time to get acquainted with the idiosyncrasies, the rules and the ideology of the site. Spamming is not allowed as per rule 7: Do not spam. Doing so will get you infracted and your posts will be deleted, leaving you worse off than before.
Why are you judging members by their post count?
For lack of a better alternative. I challenge anyone to come up with a better alternative, and share it with us. Over the years we have seen the impact the cluttering up of developmental fora had on the amount of energy needed to keep threads in shape or visible. This wasn't productive at all. We get that people might have experience from other fora and think this is a little over the top for them, but there are rarely any developers amongst the people that want to create new threads. There are a few people with a genuine need to post a thread in the developmental fora (developers), these people can contact a moderator to help them get sorted.
12's tutorial on how to get your postcount above 10:
Keep in mind that only people we the genuine intent to post one of their developmental projects or with a (well explained) bug report NEED a postcount above 10. Nonetheless I'll give you some guidelines on how to achieve this goal in a community accepted way:
Read the
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Whos a moderator or deals with the organization of the threads? Because i think we need to add an android section to multiple devices, the kaiser the vogue, diamond, touch pro, touch hd. Is there any way to keep noobs from posting stuff in forums that doesnt even relate to whats going on in said thread? Or does someone have to delete the useless stuff like people just posting to tell other people not to post about nothing?
Akya said:
Whos a moderator or deals with the organization of the threads? Because i think we need to add an android section to multiple devices, the kaiser the vogue, diamond, touch pro, touch hd. Is there any way to keep noobs from posting stuff in forums that doesnt even relate to whats going on in said thread? Or does someone have to delete the useless stuff like people just posting to tell other people not to post about nothing?
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The sub-forums are all there, if someone posts in the wrong section, simply point them in the right direction.
What you have said is the general idea of what happens here.
its not even that people just want to say oh dude i cant wait for android and then some other person will be like thats not important and people just get totally off topic. theres like 1500 post in the form or more and less than a quater are actually information on the development and whats going on... also maybe aswell as having a rom development subsection their could be a linux development section rather than just an android section cause its totally possible to boot debian or some distro of linux on these handsets.
All the moderators have their user names marked in red and have 'Moderator' appear under it (as you have 'Junior Member').
Also you can look here to see which mod you should talk to regarding specific forums.
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And to answer your question: there is no way to keep noobs from posting the wrong stuff or in the wrong place. Mistakes are part of being new to something.
If you see a thread you think is just clutter or out of place you can help by reporting it.
Akya said:
its not even that people just want to say oh dude i cant wait for android and then some other person will be like thats not important and people just get totally off topic. theres like 1500 post in the form or more and less than a quater are actually information on the development and whats going on... also maybe aswell as having a rom development subsection their could be a linux development section rather than just an android section cause its totally possible to boot debian or some distro of linux on these handsets.
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sorry but its not just your thread.....your have to get used to it
no point getting worked up over it
they think they are helping...but we know otherwise
Are you GOD???
All over the wisdom!!!!!
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Men... you were a n00b remember that!!! where you come from.
Maybe there could be a basic reading test for new users.
if they fail to pass the test...
they cannot post.
seems like that would clean up this site rather nicely.
Here's the one required to be a moderator:
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In all seriousness, XDA is open to anyone from any country, you don't even have to know English, you can use a translator (such as google or babelfish).
Dave
mnjm9b said:
Maybe there could be a basic reading test for new users.
if they fail to pass the test...
they cannot post.
seems like that would clean up this site rather nicely.
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That would be a rather tall order, wouldn't it? Or a very restrictive undertaking. Like in view of the fact that xda is read ALL over the world, in how many languages would the reading test be written?
Also, its not fair to judge someone on how well they talk/communicate/type etc. As Dave correctly stated, XDA is open to all.
Instead of screening all users, maybe existing users should try and be more considerate to those which find it hard to communicate or speak in english
I never said anything about language skills.
I understand there are communication barriers. even with different dialects of the same language.
What my issue is, when noobies completely CLOG many of the forums
with repetitive and basic questions that would be easily resolved if they would just read.
most of the time the answers are even in the OP that they are posting in.
it's like they don't even try.
while I am certain to have asked noobie questions myself, I think that the lack of effort for a person to at least try and answer there own questions is sure laziness.
and for that I have no patience to offer help to those people.
if a person is having a hard time understanding something...
well that is perfectly acceptable.
there ARE forum rules but how is that enforced???
what is the point of having those rules if they go unenforced?
mnjm9b said:
there ARE forum rules but how is that enforced???
what is the point of having those rules if they go unenforced?
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There must be well over a hundred posts an hour on this forum. No-one has the time to read all of them. If we explicitly enforced the forum rules on everyone who broke them most of the users on here would be banned (even us mods ). We each monitor the device forums we are most fluent (and sometimes not so much) in and close / move and occasionally delete posts / threads that do not belong. There will always be people who don't want to read and just want a quick solution and there are those that don't and actually spend the time helping themselves and others. The best we can do is to encourage them into posting in the correct threads, or searching for their answers first.
When there are posts that are clearly duplicate / redundant or in the wrong forum, they can be reported to the mods with a helpful message (why is it redundant, where does it need moving to, links to threads, etc?) and we will look into them.
Thanks,
Dave
How about just banning curse words? Ban F***, S***, B****, A******, F**, F******, A**, DumbA**, W****, etc. I'm sure users would adapt to say mother clucker instead of mother f*****, but it would be a welcome improvement in my eyes.
Some weeks ago I suggested the separation of themes and apps in two different forum sections for the HD2 but nothing changed...
Now a new "HD2 Q&A" section opens... what is the difference between this new section and the "HD2 General" section?! People would just be confused...
I really think that the separation between themes and apps is more important than general conversation and Q&A...
DeadVirus said:
Some weeks ago I suggested the separation of themes and apps in two different forum sections for the HD2 but nothing changed...
Now a new "HD2 Q&A" section opens... what is the difference between this new section and the "HD2 General" section?! People would just be confused...
I really think that the separation between themes and apps is more important than general conversation and Q&A...
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The Q&A forums have helped tidy up various forums (mainly android based) where a lot of new users are driven to XDA by the new smart phone devices aimed at general consumers instead of tech users - as was the case in the the good ol' days . People are less and less inclined to search and just post for answers. Despite our best efforts they continue to post so we found it's better to give them someone to ask little questions that don't clutter up the other device sub forums. General is for more general problems, maybe HW, maybe opinions on the phone, complaints with carriers, etc.
I can't recall the discussion on seperate Themes and Apps forums in the moderator area, so I can't comment.
IMHO as the OP said, the app and themes are better in a sub forum. I too think that the Q&A section is confusing (may be it should be a sub forum in general forum?)
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DaveShaw said:
The Q&A forums have helped tidy up various forums (mainly android based) where a lot of new users are driven to XDA by the new smart phone devices aimed at general consumers instead of tech users - as was the case in the the good ol' days . People are less and less inclined to search and just post for answers. Despite our best efforts they continue to post so we found it's better to give them someone to ask little questions that don't clutter up the other device sub forums. General is for more general problems, maybe HW, maybe opinions on the phone, complaints with carriers, etc.
I can't recall the discussion on seperate Themes and Apps forums in the moderator area, so I can't comment.
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Yeah, I can see that the Q&A forums can be useful, but they can be a little confusing at first... but that's just a matter of getting used to it, so now that I start to see it with another eyes I thank you guys for that
Regarding the separate Themes and Apps forum I apologise but I think that I created that discussion somewhere inside the HD2 forums so probably it was missed...
But it is still an ideia An example is that there are a lot of people that don't really care for themes, so it is quite hard to check for new apps for the HD2, and vice-versa, because there's a lot of "movement" in that forum...
chvvkumar said:
IMHO as the OP said, the app and themes are better in a sub forum. I too think that the Q&A section is confusing (may be it should be a sub forum in general forum?)
Something like this:
EDIT: I guess you would also need a zombie HD2 forum in the near future for Androidised HD2s
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I like the way you organized it in the image. Maybe some moderators can take a look and consider this? Or other forum organization that you consider better...
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