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According to the specs the phone comes with 576mb of ram, yet when I got my new phone it only had 140mb available, which seems to me that you lose around 75% of the memory advertised before you actually get the phone.
Anyone know what is using up all this memory
walkerx said:
According to the specs the phone comes with 576mb of ram, yet when I got my new phone it only had 140mb available, which seems to me that you lose around 75% of the memory advertised before you actually get the phone.
Anyone know what is using up all this memory
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Android is using it. It doesn't RUN from ROM, no modern OS does that. ROM is merely where it's stored, it run's in RAM.
thanks for the response, i understand it doesn't run from ROM but just couldn't believe that you lose 75% of the ram.
walkerx said:
thanks for the response, i understand it doesn't run from ROM but just couldn't believe that you lose 75% of the ram.
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You don't lose 75% of anything, it's still there. You're using 75% of it!. A phone that uses 0% of it's RAM would be a real-fancy paper weight after all.
If you try to open an app and you don't have enough RAM to run it Android will close activities and apps until there is enough. Any half way decent modern OS acts this way.
75% usage is fine and normal, don't worry about.
Perhaps your phone is developing Alzheimer's?
Actually you guys are confusing a lot here!
The 140MB that are available are ROM memory. The rest of the 512MB is used by the system and Sense etc.
That's not much available, since apps can only be installed into those 140MB.
Of the 576MB RAM, the system also uses some of it. But there's more than 140MB available.
it is indeed the rom, however, being that a massive majority of android apps are less than 1.5 mb in size, and if programmed properly use the SD card for storage means, the likelyhood of most people ever having a problem is minute.
I've read people on these forums with 70 odd apps on their desire and they have no issues whatsoever.
it really is not an issue.
after upgrading from the G1 with only 70mb-80mb available for installing apps unless you used the sdcard for storage was just a shock to only see 140mb available on the desire.
Agreed, it definitely is a problem if you install an app like Google Earth (22meg) and a few large games you will soon run out. On my G1 with apps2sd I had over 200meg of apps installed.
Meh, and HTC put 8GB of internal memory in the Droid Incredible (basicly the US desire), really don't understand why they don't put some internal storage in all of these devices..
Guys is there a tool where I could see how many rom and ram memory is available to install apps.
rhedgehog said:
it is indeed the rom, however, being that a massive majority of android apps are less than 1.5 mb in size, and if programmed properly use the SD card for storage means, the likelyhood of most people ever having a problem is minute.
I've read people on these forums with 70 odd apps on their desire and they have no issues whatsoever.
it really is not an issue.
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I'd have to disagree with you I'm afraid - it really is an issue.
My Desire has about 80 apps installed, including Google Earth, Navigon satnav, and about 5 games. I have literally less than 10mb of ROM space left - not even enough for another game.
The space supplied on the ROM for apps is pathetic, and the sooner the Desire gets rooted (to enable apps2sd) the better.
EDIT: I've just realised I've repeated what other people said, and also may have come off like a douche - no offence intended!
Adding SD Storage does not help!
abats said:
Meh, and HTC put 8GB of internal memory in the Droid Incredible (basicly the US desire), really don't understand why they don't put some internal storage in all of these devices..
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When you think about it, this will make the new HTC Incredible (coming this year) with 8GB on board a big seller for HTC, do feel a little bit let down by HTC on this
I have to admit up until today when I got an "out of space" message I assumed apps were going on the SD Card, I'm really gutted about this. But in my heart I knew at some point went rooting was possible I would do it anyway.
sdemmery said:
When you think about it, this will make the new HTC Incredible (coming this year) with 8GB on board a big seller for HTC, do feel a little bit let down by HTC on this
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Afaik the 8GB onboard is as storage, not as ROM. So if android is still like today (only allowed application to be installed in ROM) those 8 GB can't be used as well. The main reason of this limitation is to prevent the piracy, but I read somewhere that there is a plan to add a function to store the encrypted application in the external storage. Hopefully that can be realized soon.
setspeed said:
EDIT: I've just realised I've repeated what other people said, and also may have come off like a douche - no offence intended!
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No worries. I probably sound like a douche most of the time, but after doing my job for as long as i have, i no longer really care. but no offence intended from my end either. i may be a grumpy sod, but i'm not an a-hole.
anyhoo, most people will get nowhere near 80 apps.
I've been on android since the magic and got nowhere near that yet. most people won't. but yeah, lets hope either HTC start putting more memory in the phones, or google just add pss2sd capability as standard.
either would solve this for those few people that it does effect.
abats said:
Meh, and HTC put 8GB of internal memory in the Droid Incredible (basicly the US desire), really don't understand why they don't put some internal storage in all of these devices..
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but u cant use them as system memory so its like a 8gb SD
Yeah, perhaps I'm spoilt from having apps2sd on my Dream - I've got used to installing whatever the hell I like, and leaving it there!
Let's hope Paul from MoDaCo finishes rooting/getting write access to the system partition soon. Or indeed, any other dev who can manage it
How do you guys get so many apps? I have installed around 20 apps and it's telling me I'm running low on space.......quite annoying. Having to remove apps to instal others.
boge said:
Afaik the 8GB onboard is as storage, not as ROM. So if android is still like today (only allowed application to be installed in ROM) those 8 GB can't be used as well. The main reason of this limitation is to prevent the piracy, but I read somewhere that there is a plan to add a function to store the encrypted application in the external storage. Hopefully that can be realized soon.
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LOL that was pretty much what I wrote originally & thought I was talking nonsense so I edited the post, should have left it I guess
For me its not the number of apps its that some are large. Anyone have copilot installed, im thinking of getting it but im worried the maps are going to fill the memory up & leave me room for no other apps! The Desire is a cutting edge device & we just shouldn't have to contend with this issue, Heck I never had this with Windows Mobile. Then again I never had any apps for Windows Mobile
OnlinePredator said:
How do you guys get so many apps? I have installed around 20 apps and it's telling me I'm running low on space.......quite annoying. Having to remove apps to instal others.
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It's not only the issue with the number apps you can install. This issue is also limiting developers. There are a couple of reasons iPhone applications/games are usualy higher quality then the android counterparts. Storage problems is one of those issues sadly.
Hi all,
Recently, i have changed to Sandisk Mobile Ultra 16gb Class 4. Did a speed test on it with atto benchmark and it is able to read/write with an maximum of 19mb/14mb per second.
However, when app2sd+ is applied, I found that in certain apps or games, there is still an lag with the applications. (This is most obvious in games). If app2sd+ was not apply, such lags are seldom seen.
Thus, I feel that having app2sd+ is a great incentive for large storage but at the price of speed.
Are there any available tweaks out there that is able to improve the speed of app2sd+?
Pardon my poor english.
Thanks.
BR,
Ruffie
Yes, I suppose. I use a Kingston Class 10 microSDHC and I've never had such problems. I can move whatever I want to that card and cannot find any difference. Also, navigating across 300 images is very smooth.
But sadly, Class 10 cards are still very expensive, especially if you want 32 GB.
Would a Class 6 be good enough you think?
There must be something wrong somewhere.
I've had a Class 2 16gb Sandisk card since back when I had a G1.
I've used APPS2SD+ all the time on the G1 and used it for a while on the Desire until I moved on to Cyanogenmod.
All my apps run as tho they were installed on the phone, regardless of what people used to say about different classes.
I have some big games installed like Fifa 10 and Zenonia and get no lag at all.
brummiesteven said:
There must be something wrong somewhere.
I've had a Class 2 16gb Sandisk card since back when I had a G1.
I've used APPS2SD+ all the time on the G1 and used it for a while on the Desire until I moved on to Cyanogenmod.
All my apps run as tho they were installed on the phone, regardless of what people used to say about different classes.
I have some big games installed like Fifa 10 and Zenonia and get no lag at all.
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i played caligo chaser on my desire.
this game has some obvious lag when i am using app2sd+. but show no lag when i install them on phone.
not sure is it because, it is writing to both fat32 partition of the SD card and ext 3 partition on the same SD card at the same time when it is running thus causing the lag.
Does anyone know at what speed is the phone capable of read/write to the SD card?
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Hi just out of interest would it be possible to let android run from RAM on the desire as a dev made it possible on the HD2? I mean that would really improve performance as RAM is quite a bit faster than NAND and SD and on the HD2 it seems to work well and not even run out of ram (which is quite awesome IMO).
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Hi just out of interest would it be possible to let android run from RAM on the desire as a dev made it possible on the HD2? I mean that would really improve performance as RAM is quite a bit faster than NAND and SD and on the HD2 it seems to work well and not even run out of ram (which is quite awesome IMO).
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its only the fs that gets stored on the ram before boot not data, so I/O improvements would be minimal as the device rarely need to R/W from system compared to /data, also HD roms need to run totally from sd card witch is slower than nand obviously, so you gotta ask yourself would you be prepared to loose 150-250mb of ram, just from a minor speed improvement?
Ahh ok makes sense only one noob question xD on HD2 lot's of people experienced quite a performance boost is that because of the different devices?
quad2012 said:
Ahh ok makes sense only one noob question xD on HD2 lot's of people experienced quite a performance boost is that because of the different devices?
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its prob because the whole rom is booted from the sd card, if you notice, when Multiple process try to access a sd card, each process after the first one gets lower and lower R/W speed, try it with a sd card reader on your pc, if you try to copy 10 seperate files to your sd card at once, the first one coppies at normal speed but the others will be gradually slower and slower, the same thing happens when Multiple android processes would try to access the sd card, leading to obvious lag, a nand chip, and ram dosent have this problem all processes have the same R/W speed.
Hi,
i have the problem of not enough memory OR a slow system. Currently im using a class6 16gb microsd with default app2sd from the rom (JB spazedog), but the app data fills up the internal memory nonetheless. If i move everything (not just apps) to the sd the system is getting slow and unresponsive.
It is worth getting a faster sd (class 10) and moving everything to sd or do i have no choice but keeping apps to a minimum?
Thx
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It is worth getting a faster sd (class 10)?
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No, but it would probably be worth to change to some rom which is not in beta and fits in /system small enough to have /data big enough to keep dalvik on nand and give more space for apps.
When using 6class and 10class i feel no significant changes in speed of app2sd area.
running speed test, write speed is usually about the same, read gives little higher results.
attachment below 16gb Transcend 10class vs Adata 8 gb 6class
I'm using ICS Spazedog and DiskManager is working fine. Sometimes I have to switch pages when looking at app storage to get it to work. Maybe it didn't install properly, maybe your partitions need to be aligned, maybe the SD card needs to be reformatted. Could be quite a few things doing it.
Nope
Class 6 -> 10
If you use App2SD, definitely no.
If you use Data2SD, it is possible to see some differences.
oxyg3n89 said:
When using 6class and 10class i feel no significant changes in speed of app2sd area.
running speed test, write speed is usually about the same, read gives little higher results.
attachment below 16gb Transcend 10class vs Adata 8 gb 6class
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In terms of memory, you have to keep in mind that using a2sd means sending the dalvik (if you choose so) ans the app to the sd-ext. While it allows to more internal space, it still decreases.
The sd-ext partition is practically limited to 1024mb by the desire inter storage size too, meaning that going over 1gb of sd-ext size wouldn't be better.
Now like erklat said, it is better to switch to more stable ROM as JB ROMs offer few space and their behavior have not yet been standardized.
Recap: In terms of memory, it is not necessary to change to an upper class, but it is always a nice harmless improvement.
In terms of speed, I have seen that changing to class 10 gives great speed changes in terms of massive gaming:
Due to the higher read speed and also with the read ahead bumped I was able to increase greatly the loading time of such games as Modern Combat 3 and Nova 3. I was surprised since I thought that it was because of the processor mainly that it was so slow. There is an increase in performance when switching to an upper class, but frankly you cannot notice it unless you benchmark the results by testing with a ressource eater app.
To recap: It is worth the change only for the read speed. I'm not sure but I think that write speed is somewhat limited somehow by the hardware. (I'm thinking about windows here, if someone could confirm that please. )
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I am using class 10 transcend 8gb for spazedog JB rom and class 6 transcend 8gb for cm7 rom. No issues.
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As the title says is there any chance a very light rom could be developed? I'm still fresh with HTC but I notice that the system software etc takes up a hell of a lot of the "available" storage. I wish they wouldn't advertise phones as having X internal memory when half of it is actually needed for the whole system itself.
I'm still used to my old galaxy s4 where some light roms only took up a few GB's of the internal memory.
Cheers for any feedback
tomorio said:
As the title says is there any chance a very light rom could be developed? I'm still fresh with HTC but I notice that the system software etc takes up a hell of a lot of the "available" storage. I wish they wouldn't advertise phones as having X internal memory when half of it is actually needed for the whole system itself.
I'm still used to my old galaxy s4 where some light roms only took up a few GB's of the internal memory.
Cheers for any feedback
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I could be wrong, but I think that's due to partitioning and not necessarily having a "heavy" rom.
Well between 12-15 GB is a lot to lose from a phone advertised as 32GB memory lol. I understand that a certain amount will ALWAYS be set aside for the system itself, just seems like a huge chunk.
It's just a shame that there aren't any options for reducing this by much. Or if it's even possible. Perhaps I'm just used to teeny tiny rims with my galaxy lol.
There are no Light Roms that I've seen for the M9.
The only thing I could say is install LeeDroids ROM and in aroma check mark all the apps that you don't want installed..
Buy again not really the answer to your question..
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You'll have a light ROM in cm12. Once its been fixed. In regards to sense, the vast majority of the ROM can be removed using titanium or during install using aroma. Sense has always been quite chunky, unfortunately there's no real way around that, a desensed ROM has been available for pretty much every HTC phone I've ever had so I guess it probably won't be too long before one becomes available for the m9 too.
As for the amount of storage available, no disrespect but its a 32GB phone with external storage as an option! Why would you need an extra GB? As opposed to the s4 you will have more memory even when you've fully loaded your ROM with apps.
I think the system bloat would be a huge issue except for the external sdcard. With it, it's close to a non-issue.
I have a 32GB external card. I keep my music, twrp and tibu backups, and photos on the external card and leave internal storage for system, apps, and roms. Works just fine.
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I think the system bloat would be a huge issue except for the external sdcard. With it, it's close to a non-issue.
I have a 32GB external card. I keep my music, twrp and tibu backups, and photos on the external card and leave internal storage for system, apps, and roms. Works just fine.
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Pretty much the same for me, I have the Samsung evo 64gb with 8 gb music and a couple small movies and TV shows and it's only half full.
While the phones storage has over 14gb free
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I have a 32GB class 10 SanDisk ultra card external SD. Even with that and even with usually about 14GB free in the internal memory, I still cry wait to use a rom without half as much space for the system
Anyway thanks for the help guys.
Obviously the main issue is a backup takes up between 9-12 GB so once I have two roms backed up on my external SD then I'm well over half way full . I like several backups, all different roms
tomorio said:
I have a 32GB class 10 SanDisk ultra card external SD. Even with that and even with usually about 14GB free in the internal memory, I still cry wait to use a rom without half as much space for the system
Anyway thanks for the help guys.
Obviously the main issue is a backup takes up between 9-12 GB so once I have two roms backed up on my external SD then I'm well over half way full . I like several backups, all different roms
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The phone supports up to a 200gb ex_SD card. The 64gb are the most affordable for the size. Many here use a 128gb.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=i...d&rh=i:computers&sprefix=200+gb+micro+sd+card
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tomorio said:
I have a 32GB class 10 SanDisk ultra card external SD. Even with that and even with usually about 14GB free in the internal memory, I still cry wait to use a rom without half as much space for the system
Anyway thanks for the help guys.
Obviously the main issue is a backup takes up between 9-12 GB so once I have two roms backed up on my external SD then I'm well over half way full . I like several backups, all different roms
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Why are your backups so big? Mine are just over 6 GB.
clsA said:
The phone supports up to a 200gb ex_SD card. The 64gb are the most affordable for the size. Many here use a 128gb.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=i...d&rh=i:computers&sprefix=200+gb+micro+sd+card
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If it's confirmed to support up to 200GB I know what my next purchase is
jollywhitefoot said:
Why are your backups so big? Mine are just over 6 GB.
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System around 4-6 and data round 4-6 GB's. I like to be able to pick up where I left off.
tomorio said:
System around 4-6 and data round 4-6 GB's. I like to be able to pick up where I left off.
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Are you backing up system or system image? In normal backups you don't need to backup system image, you just need system, data and boot. My system backup is under 2 GB.
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Are you backing up system or system image? In normal backups you don't need to backup system image, you just need system, data and boot. My system backup is under 2 GB.
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No system image no.
My backups are about 10-11 gb. I do have a lot of apps installed. I'm sure that's part of it. 2 gb alone are probably accounted for by Real Racing and Asphalt 8.
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iElvis said:
My backups are about 10-11 gb. I do have a lot of apps installed. I'm sure that's part of it. 2 gb alone are probably accounted for by Real Racing and Asphalt 8.
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Good to know. I figured user apps would be in the data portion of the backup and not system, though. How big is your system backup file?
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Good to know. I figured user apps would be in the data portion of the backup and not system, though. How big is your system backup file?
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I think about 2gb. Most is definitely data.
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iElvis said:
I think about 2gb. Most is definitely data.
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Ok. Yeah that's how mine is. I don't understand why @tomorio would have 4-6 GB for system which makes me wonder if there's something screwy with his install.
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Ok. Yeah that's how mine is. I don't understand why @tomorio would have 4-6 GB for system which makes me wonder if there's something screwy with his install.
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No idea. Just double-checked my latest. System is just under 2 GB, data is about 8 GB.