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I understand that with the NOV OTA, you are unable to root your device with Unrevoked... Unless you are S-off. And S-off doesn't pertain to this thread. Can someone confirm that the Unrevoked team are working on updating it? I've heard the "just wait until they release it". But I would like to put my mind at ease... and others that are... stuck. We haven't heard a peep out of the team since the OTA dropped.
You would probably be better off hitting them up on IRC or Twitter.
Twitter to no-avail. One would assume they know about the issue. Instead of leaving such a large base in the dark, it would be appropriate they they would shed some light on the situation.
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Twitter to no-avail. One would assume they know about the issue. Instead of leaving such a large base in the dark, it would be appropriate they they would shed some light on the situation.
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I'm sure they know...but I am basing this off of nothing. They had the same issues when 2.2 came out, so they'll get something going. Don't worry, pestering them more about it won't make it come any quicker.
When they are ready, they will say something, just because they haven't doesn't mean that they don't know about it. Patience.
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where on IRC can they be found?
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efnet i'm guessing?
sorry it's been a while since i've been on irc
http://webchat.freenode.net/
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We haven't heard a peep out of the team since the OTA dropped.
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the reason being is they might be to busy with trying to fix this.. or just might be to busy.. try and have patience..
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the reason being is they might be to busy with trying to fix this.. or just might be to busy.. try and have patience..
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Its the digital age, it takes 5-30 seconds to post a tweet. LOL I am being patient. I'm not just speaking on my behalf. There are other people out there that would like some closure, just look at the General, Q&A's and the other subforums for the device. The posts speak for themselves.
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Its the digital age, it takes 5-30 seconds to post a tweet. LOL I am being patient. I'm not just speaking on my behalf. There are other people out there that would like some closure, just look at the General, Q&A's and the other subforums for the device. The posts speak for themselves.
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If all those people who are looking for "closure" pony'd up some donations, they could ask all they want. The unrevoked team does not charge for their work, so I would not "expect" anything until it comes. Something you read time and time again on these forums from developers is "don't ask for an ETA".
just my 2 cents.
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If all those people who are looking for "closure" pony'd up some donations, they could ask all they want. The unrevoked team does not charge for their work, so I would not "expect" anything until it comes. Something you read time and time again on these forums from developers is "don't ask for an ETA".
just my 2 cents.
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I didn't ask for an ETA. If you would have read the post thoroughly I never asked for one. Anyway the purpose of this thread is for the team to at least mention they're working on it rather than not saying anything at all. Just my two cents.
I'd like to get an update to the Unrevoked rooting method myself. I need an update and I need it fast I'm getting itchy hands from wanting to root. Hurry the hell up Unrevoked. You guys need to lay of my buddy cwowtbang's nuts and worry about other **** he's not the only one that's trying to find out when the update will become available there are thousands of us.
You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
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I'd like to get an update to the Unrevoked rooting method myself. I need an update and I need it fast I'm getting itchy hands from wanting to root. Hurry the hell up Unrevoked. You guys need to lay of my buddy cwowtbang's nuts and worry about other **** he's not the only one that's trying to find out when the update will become available there are thousands of us.
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What about this post makes you think anyone would expedite results to you? All devs, including the Unrevoked team, work hard to produce results, as it is their collective passion to tinker and code. With or without you, results and progress will be made. And, seeing as how you do not sign their paychecks (do you?), there really is no incentive to respond to your gross, and ridiculously aggressive post.
Patience carries a lot of wait.
So the reason I can't root my droid incredible right now is because of the latest update on the phone? Well, I guess I will stop pulling my hair out trying to figure out what I did wrong then and wait for an update.
As for the donations, I'm a big open source fan, using linux exclusively for a decade, always contribute one way or another, gave a phone to the bitpim group a while back, created a linux help webpage, answer questions in forums, donate a dollar to free apps I use on my droid, etc. Hopefully others do the same thing.
Quite the sense of entitlement displayed by some. It bears mentioning that none of us are owed a damn thing.
Wow this thread went to crap real fast.
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Yeah, all I asked was for a simple acknowledgement. LOL.
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I'd like to get an update to the Unrevoked rooting method myself. I need an update and I need it fast I'm getting itchy hands from wanting to root. Hurry the hell up Unrevoked. You guys need to lay of my buddy cwowtbang's nuts and worry about other **** he's not the only one that's trying to find out when the update will become available there are thousands of us.
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Read your "boy's" post above yours, he's "not asking for an ETA"... He just wants someone from Unrevoked to come on here and say "we are working on it..."
If you need it so quick and cannot wait, then learn how to code and contribute. Devs don't need people like you telling them to "hurry up" just because you said so. Mind you, they do this stuff because they enjoy it, and they don't get paid except for when people donate to them. Did it ever occur to anyone that if they just "whipped up" and released something which started bricking phones left and right, everyone would then complain about how it wasn't thoroughly tested?!
Send them a sizable donation with your "hurry it up will ya" message, and see what happens...if not, then just wait like everyone else has to.
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Read your "boy's" post above yours, he's "not asking for an ETA"... He just wants someone from Unrevoked to come on here and say "we are working on it..."
If you need it so quick and cannot wait, then learn how to code and contribute. Devs don't need people like you telling them to "hurry up" just because you said so. Mind you, they do this stuff because they enjoy it, and they don't get paid except for when people donate to them. Did it ever occur to anyone that if they just "whipped up" and released something which started bricking phones left and right, everyone would then complain about how it wasn't thoroughly tested?!
Send them a sizable donation with your "hurry it up will ya" message, and see what happens...if not, then just wait like everyone else has to.
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Finally, thank you for backing me up. I really appreciate it.
I am getting annoyed of many ROM threads here, because they are
stating "speed improvements, minor fixes, stable" - if you cant name it exactly, i call bull****.
ROMs being based on the same RUU as other ROMs but not stating what is different. please stop wasting my time. i dont want to go sherlock holmes on your ROM. when you just spend 2h, to make a ROM that is basically the same like most other (just differeing in the point above) - thats fine, you can play around and share it here - but PLEASE tell us.
incomplete list of what is working or not. listing only BT as not working and then reading on the third page "animations and browser download dont work" and then a reply "they dont work on any sense 4.0 ROM". Or stuff like "bugs: you tell me". could you please take 10minutes to test against a checklist?!
so whats my point:
I am no ROM developer, but a software developer. And I see all the wonderfull work done here. But i hate the lazy "you all probably know what im talking about" attitude around here. I feel a bit scammed by either the very shiny threads with custom logos and artwork, listing as many points as they can - whats the purpose - you dont sell anything here. Or on the other hand the very short threads that omit the most important points, making the ROMs incompareable - are you hiding something?
so i propose:
an enforced thread layout, that is composed by the community.
some points i would like to see in it:
name
version
based on (RUU revision number, link)
android revision(, sense revision)
type (a coarse classification: stock, themed, bloatfree, desensed, ported, testrelease, AOSP. multiple selection possible)
changes to base (the 5 main topics of this ROM. at least kernel, bootscreen, keyboard, launcher, theme)
dependencies: firmware etc.
screenshot (i know mostly there is no difference, but i personally am a visual type and need them )
a bug checklist (also community build, most usual bugs, states: ok, minor, broken, untested)
a tweaks checklist (e.g. rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, crt, recent apps, APM, battery, /etc/hosts, beats etc.)
APK versions (also a community build checklist, maybe a script for that)
changelog (for each old version a download, for each change a source link, not just "thanks xyuser" - having the ROM in github etc. would be awesome)
I bet there are some more points - i think the non-developers should unite and demand a bit of quality. Develop and enforce a standard. Use this thread to gather ideas.
And inb4 "be gratefull and take what you get" - no, I think chefs have a responsibility to be transparent, they get lots of testers and glory in return. XDA is a central reference for everyone who roots his device. Mods have taken some good steps to clean up the mess. Now its time for the next.
I think the more detailed the information gets, the faster the development will become and users can build trust in what they flash.
Mods, would something like this be possible?
Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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I also agree, There are way to many roms out there, I couldnt possibly flash them all and test them, My phone would be outdated by the time i managed that.
The majority are exactly the same, except with the occasional different theme /tweak /app but other than that i think they are similar...
I also get the feeling that the ROMs are a pretty much copy & paste job (with the exception of the devs that build from scratch)
I would like to see some sort of organization in the development thread.. I have nothing against these ROM Makers, But if the first post pointed out what exactly makes THIS ROM different than any others. i think it would be less confusing to people..
I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Maybe there should be a forum for 'Original Development' for projects that aren't a variation of another project. I've seen this for other devices' forums.
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I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
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Looks like I was never enjoyed my phone even just for 1 day. Today I've installed a ROM, adding many apps from Market which took many hours to setup & configure.
While I've become comfortable with the ROM, something freaked Me ouy: "Oh, there is even better and way more stable ROM available than this current ROM." Downloading, it takes about 1 to 2 hours. Then booted the ROM, but I caught myself disappointed with the news, "This new one has just another clone of the first ROM I've ever tried." Oh no, it has different theme and feels! "All of them are on the same base, same kernel, same etc, etc, etc."
Then, my final decision should be restoring the first ROM through Recovery, but again it takes minutes to complete.
And yet, I fooled with Battery Calibration placebo/myth which actually doesn't exist. Do I need to recalibrate my battery on s ROM changes? No, Google Official has just stated it's just a myth and placebo.
This is what I feel, sorry I mean no offense to any Devs.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
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+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
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Dude I am so with u. Some threads r just so damn long that to every little post would take to long and I would probably never be able to flash a rom. As far as noobs go, we were all noobs at one point. I get most to get me on gtalk so I can help them without some as telling them off. Yeah sometimes it takes me some time but hell I've been able to save quite a few phones.
Its a much better feeling knowing you have helped someone and saved a phone from the horrible stock ROM or possible brick..
Ive done my fair share of helping noobs to help other noobs... Ive also saved a few phones from the trash too
XDA is a community - not a place to rant at people for being a noob - Although there are some hopeless people out there who do not follow the rules, But the majority of us just need some guidance..
The worlds best android developer wasnt born the best... he / she was obviously a noob who learnt from someone else...
The way i see it is that noobs are the future of development so dont hate us
I so agree and am getting ready to learn the cooking game from a friend and great deveolper. He's also getting ready to aquire a sensation and is going to port some of his awesome work from the 3d to the sensation, but make it with ics. Don't know if it'll every see xda because of the drama but it'll be on our teams site. It might make since he does have stuff in evo on xda but I don't know yet.
I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
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I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
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I think the real question is, WHY are the devs doing it at all? There are motives. I think this thread is basically asking them to spare us. If they decide to pack their ball up and go somewhere else, no big deal. The REAL devs will always stick around.
This thread isn't directed at our "patron devs" but all the no names that pop up with these ridiculous, and misleading, clones while asking for donations.
All in all, no one is forcing us to flash their ROM. It would be nice to have several layers to the dev forum. We need a place to easily see what the pro devs are up to without all the mess in the way. Or, how some genuine developing is coming along...
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I can see it from both sides, All the devs good or bad are still great in their own way.
But some tidying up in the development section wouldnt do any harm... Its like a jumble sale in there, Rummaging around to see whats what. Its ridiculous
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Now, you watch your attitude and language or simply face the consequences...
yaddamean, I understand what you mean but I would say the opposite: devs that dont care to be transparent, can host their ROMs on their servers elsewhere. I know this is a quite fundamental difference in views. But i dont get what should be the advantage of being the silent majority.
Good things never come easily.
I bet we would not loose one good dev.
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I agree with u and because of yaddamean and others like him who like to just jump in and flamming ppl. As soon as someone stands up to those kinda ppl, the real supporters of this Site and it's Real dev, get in trouble. That's y ppl leave here too!
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this will get us less viewers but more mods hopfully
is there any chance of changing the current practice?
That's y it was moved less attention.
This is the ONLY thread that will be allowed for ICS discussion, all others will be locked/deleted, and persistent abusers will earn an infraction or a ban - I'd rather not do that!
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This is the ONLY thread that will be allowed for ICS discussion, all others will be locked/deleted, and persistent abusers will earn an infraction or a ban - I'd rather not do that!
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Thank God! I love you man ( As a MOD I mean )
We'll get ICS when we get it, simple as that!
~Eugene
I think we should storm T-Mobile's headquarters Matrix-style to get the source code, then hand it to the very capable developers here to finish it in a day or two. What say you?
Good idea... but I think the topic "ICS" is too general. How would we be able keep track of what the issue at hand is? Different groups of people could be talking about different things here at the same time.. if we keep it to "ONE" official forum for ICS. And it would just end up for a lot of us to do page searching.
There is only one issue at hand:
The T989 doesn't have ICS/Samsung source code.
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Good idea... but I think the topic "ICS" is too general. How would we be able keep track of what the issue at hand is? Different groups of people could be talking about different things here at the same time.. if we keep it to "ONE" official forum for ICS. And it would just end up for a lot of us to do page searching.
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They post it in the proper Q&A section.
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Thank God! I love you man ( As a MOD I mean )
We'll get ICS when we get it, simple as that!
~Eugene
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What he said!
Come on Tmobile things have seem to been heating up with ICS ?!
Lollin! Typical T-Mobile fashion. Enjoy
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00046726&fm_seq=49755
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Lollin! Typical T-Mobile fashion. Enjoy
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00046726&fm_seq=49755
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LMFAO
Samsung + Tmobile + updates = Buy a new phone. Sorry, but this has always been an issue everyone always talked about with Sammy and T-Mobile. Things never change. They even posted it on FB like we are awesome, your carrier Blows! Have a nice day.
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Lollin! Typical T-Mobile fashion. Enjoy
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00046726&fm_seq=49755
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Came here to post this (Samsung just tweeted and FB'd it). Y'all are fast!
Well, this is very depressing. I guess I'll be hopping on the SIII bandwagon soon.
As happy as I am with the T989 on Gingerbread, I want the latest and greatest. T-mobile has failed me once again. All of this Galaxy S II ICS news from other carriers, the ICS update for the S II for Tmo UK users, and now we get a message "in the coming months". That's sort of... heartbreaking to say the least.
Would source from skyrocket ics be enough for us to get decent battery life from a port ?
gawd ........ some how I thought them releasing source as fast as they did would change how they do things. I think its time we start jumping their a*ses again
If we dont show support for the galaxy s3 maybe they will pull their heads out of their butts.
I freakin love the phone but I'm tired of all they stupid excuses. You can still release source or some crap.
And I would love to have someone with a lot more followers tweet this !
A response from Tmobile
Time to spam Telus website.
- taz b.
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Exactly what I thought. They arent going to tell use until they push out the update. Apple does a somewhat similar few days notice.
It is annoying on both ends. Tmobile should realize they arent Apple and a software update isnt the press equivalent of realizing a new phone.
I've already gave up on this phone getting an official update , already accepted that ill have to get another phone so i will choose wisely next time, honestly the only thing that keeps me with T-Mobile is wi-fi calling if they ever stop that then I see no reason to stay with them
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I've already gave up on this phone getting an official update , already accepted that ill have to get another phone so i will choose wisely next time, honestly the only thing that keeps me with T-Mobile is wi-fi calling if they ever stop that then I see no reason to stay with them
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You sir have a point.
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gawd ........ some how I thought them releasing source as fast as they did would change how they do things. I think its time we start jumping their a*ses again
If we dont show support for the galaxy s3 maybe they will pull their heads out of their butts.
I freakin love the phone but I'm tired of all they stupid excuses. You can still release source or some crap.
And I would love to have someone with a lot more followers tweet this !
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Probably would be useless, the small number of users that actually know of or care about an update is nothing compared to the amount of people that just buy a phone because it looks nice or has a big screen. Most customers are oblivious. Most it would do is start a small trending topic and then it would fizzle like KONY 2012. Next thing you know your running around in public naked doing the "5 knuck backhand no drop ins". Updates are worthless to carriers usually unless its more of a Dev phone like the nexus. Which the SGS2 is not. Well atleast T-Mobile version. Money is in the contract! Hook line and sinker.
But what do I know? Nothing but what I have seen with my last three devices on T-Mobile. I don't think the SGS3 is going to be any different, ship the phone. Get the money. Rinse and repeat.
Thankfully there is a sweet dev community that can work wonders Modding and porting ROMs but I can even see now certain communities are fading out because of Vultures and demanding users plying updates updates updates. We should all chill and just enjoy what we have and work with it. Last thing you want is more talented Devs and Themers leaving a device you own because patience is not in our vocabulary. ICS will or will not come...device has only been out for several months. Look at the SGH-T959 community, strong and mad ROMs. Stuff takes time. This is a hobby for people, hobby! Something people like. Whoaaaa...way off topic. I'll shut up now. Sorry for the Opinionated rant.
Carry on.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium
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I personally don't see any problems when it comes to cooked roms. These people shared their work with utmost dedication and I certainly appreciate it. It would boost SGY development in many aspects for one is the UI (user experience), the designs and themes are also part of development. Developing is not an easy task, bearing in mind the fluidity of your designs, the critical response of the rom's performance and the originality, the x-factor for a Rom's success.
You will see the value of your own work if it will last for a long time, and if people across the whole world will take time to install it to their phone. In that sense, I think Amal Das's creations is on the right track. I will not question the fact that he has contributed a lot in terms of ROM design choices. Look at his posts, there are tons of designs to choose from! at that perspective I will give a double thumbs up! (you can make a unified thread for your designs, instead of making a multiple threads, it will be more efficient)
If all of us will be hostile against people who want to share, there will be no point for such a forum to exist. He shared, you as user and a member of this forum can constructively criticize it as expected to a mature individual.
Sooner or later developers, contributors, themers will move on to other devices, so let us appreciate what is available for us right now.
Kudos for the maker of these roms, for making this community alive!
PS. Amal Das, please edit your first page. I do not see any chobits elements in your rom you may have overlooked the "chobits revamped ui" lol. It is okay to copy anything from my thread, atleast edit it to perfectly suit your rom's description. Thanks and more power!
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HCFroyd has a point our phone will not be developed forever. I'm guessing after the realease of the S III we don't have much time left. Lets try and do as much as we can while we can!"
i have another phone with me here,
a HTC Wizard one of the first windows mobile smartphones which was released mid 2007- early 2008,
they have a forum here in xda but sad to say the last development for a custom rom was on 2010,
so the forum is now but a ghost land with less than 1 post per 5 days or so with no devs left working on the device,
my point is a time will come that SGY will also be like HTC wizard,
turn into a old end device and the forum will be like a ghost town,
we do realize this and the best thing we can do it to just have fun with our device,
develop things for the sake of sharing ideas to others, collaborating minds of millions of SGY owners,
i love my phone and its the first phone i bought with my first salary so it has a sentimental value
cheers to all SGY owners
Exactly..I dont see the point in arguing with cooked/themed stuff..different people have various choices..some people like MIUI,some ICS, and some stock etc..whats wrong in that? There are pathetic people who dont contribute to the forums instead they criticize people who are trying to do some good to the forums...What we can do utmost is to deny those negative comments,take the constructive comments and move ahead!
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HCFroyd has a point our phone will not be developed forever.
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I hope no one use HCFroyd's statement as an apology for developing a mere themed rom.
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Exactly..I dont see the point in arguing with cooked/themed stuff..different people have various choices..some people like MIUI,some ICS, and some stock etc..whats wrong in that? There are pathetic people who dont contribute to the forums instead they criticize people who are trying to do some good to the forums...What we can do utmost is to deny those negative comments,take the constructive comments and move ahead!
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i don't have problem with themed rom as long as they give proper credit to original creator. i never ask credit for my work but someone did. the new trend in our forum, a lot new themed rom don't give credit to original creator. but that's only 'small' problem. bigger problem is a lot of new rom released with too much bug. if you experience user, you could solve that problem easily. but how about someone new ? please remember this forum become reference for other forum or non member. today i see in other forum, someone asking for help because his phone brick after flash themed custom rom from this forum.
we couldn't expect those wannabe devs to solve their rom problems. personally I doubt if they're know how to properly customize a rom. most of them only replace the apps, and change the ui_print stuff in updater script. in most cases they don't even know how to modify an apk since they modify their systemUI and framework-res via UOT kitchen. this will surely brings problems to new member or inexperienced one here.
It will surely come to an end, but the S3 will not kick the Y out of xda. It would need pretty long legs to kick a low-end device.
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i don't have problem with themed rom as long as they give proper credit to original creator. i never ask credit for my work but someone did. the new trend in our forum, a lot new themed rom don't give credit to original creator. but that's only 'small' problem. bigger problem is a lot of new rom released with too much bug. if you experience user, you could solve that problem easily. but how about someone new ? please remember this forum become reference for other forum or non member. today i see in other forum, someone asking for help because his phone brick after flash themed custom rom from this forum.
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Well, that's why we have the support general section, faq and q &a.. The bugs I saw in the threads are very minor and mostly fcs which are mostly accompanied by fixes from the dev.. The bricking errors are mostly due to wrong method of flashing and no thread in dev section causes bricks otherwise.. Regarding the credit thing, yeah some people may not give proper credit but they didn't just post the content as it is right? They did some work and stuff but it's respect that matters and they won't get it by modding stuff.. But I really appreciate the way amal das cooked and added the themes, apps.. It surely involves some definite time and effort and remember something is better than nothing.. We must appreciate their effort to upload and share them for nothing !
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You have a good point hitme!
as for me I do not see anything wrong when people want to share something. its just that other users tend to envy what they made and then criticize the creator/moder/chef.
(that's what I noticed here at SGY forum)
BUT THIS CRITICISM DOES NOT EXIST ON ANY OTHER FORUMS. i wonder why?
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I hope no one use HCFroyd's statement as an apology for developing a mere themed rom.
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I totally agree on this. And if these people uses custom ROMS as base ROM, themed it and added some apps that totally boost the UI and not the performance or to cut it short decorated the rom instead of adding new features or tweaks, why not release it as an OPTIONAL THEME UPDATE or OPTIONAL APP PACKAGE and not NEW DEV ROM thing?
Don't get me wrong but I do appreciate hard work. Themeing is developing but please keep it in mind that SKINNING is different from BUILDING. Skinning is theming and building means you start from STOCK ROM WITH NO TWEAKS and you DEVELOP/ADD/MODIFY the ROM to have new features -and that being true, I see no reason for a THEMED CUSTOM ROM to be LABELED ROM DEV NEW.
I have experience in building a custom rom, I have a Motorola A1200 Ming way back and what I did is I integrated A1600 and A1800 features to A1200 firmware. I didn't use and custom rom available and gave it a new look.
My point is, you don't label a rom whose base is a custom as *developed or *new. That sucks! How come you use others ROM and themed it + added some apps? and call it developed? It should be skinned or themed or optional update. You got to be kidding to think you developed it when you skinned it. And that number of thanks you get prolongs your day dreaming of being a developer when you are just a skinner/themer.
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The above statement may not be comfortable for your eyes to read but hey, it's true. If you're no developer, Well this post sucks. Truth hurts.
We need a Steve Jobs in SGY..
He was not a developer, but a motivator
steve 'jobs' (lol)
please don't think that me (or some other user) hate the rom development. nope...we only get tired of those who claimed themself as a dev but in reality know almost nothing in rom development.
1. these people potentially risk other user for bricking their device.
2. you can't expect a good rom from them. in most cases you'll only get a half assed rom with a lot of bug.
I was saying that statement to ensure that we get a rom with good quality from a real dev. i'm sorry if this words might sound harsh.
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steve 'jobs' (lol)
please don't think that me (or some other user) hate the rom development. nope...we only get tired of those who claimed themself as a dev but in reality know almost nothing in rom development.
1. these people potentially risk other user for bricking their device.
2. you can't expect a good rom from them. in most cases you'll only get a half assed rom with a lot of bug.
I was saying that statement to ensure that we get a rom with good quality from a real dev. i'm sorry if this words might sound harsh.
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You do have a point, man. They needn't be called devs, but they are making something! You can't just expect someone to just create a very good rom like chobits or creeds. They have to start from the base, making small mods, and when they become good at it, then they can start making bigger mods, and so on. You won't understand the studies of a university unless you've completed the one of school.
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I.AM.H3RO said:
HCFroyd has a point our phone will not be developed forever. I'm guessing after the realease of the S III we don't have much time left. Lets try and do as much as we can while we can!"
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I don't understand what you mean, SIII is too expensive, low & mid-range devices still remain
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You do have a point, man. They needn't be called devs, but they are making something! You can't just expect someone to just create a very good rom like chobits or creeds. They have to start from the base, making small mods, and when they become good at it, then they can start making bigger mods, and so on. You won't understand the studies of a university unless you've completed the one of school.
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you chose wrong example
i am not too 'old' in this forum, but afair i was already here when chobits released. it's not themed rom and it's relatively stable even in first release. nobody can stop you from making/learning custom rom, but release to forum is another matter. if the mod only themes (which a lot new dev did) we already have themes sub forum. and if it's only fix small problem in other custom rom, why not just create patch. and is it really hard to says if he/she make it based other rom ?
i don't claim if i am a dev, but i do share some of my small modifications in this forum. before i share something, i need 2-4 days (in my spare time) to review my modification, make sure every know problems already fixed. most of my mod is low level so one mistake can brick your phone forever. i do wild and crazy thing with my own device. but when i decide to share it, i do very very carefully, because if i did something wrong it will effect someone else phone. few days ago i almost pull back my shared mod because someone report my mod make his phone restart. fortunately i can fix it.
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You do have a point, man. They needn't be called devs, but they are making something! You can't just expect someone to just create a very good rom like chobits or creeds. They have to start from the base, making small mods, and when they become good at it, then they can start making bigger mods, and so on. You won't understand the studies of a university unless you've completed the one of school.
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learning and sharing is a different things...if they already have some skill about theming stuff they could share their work as a theme.
1. it has less risk for brick
2. easier for them to upload
3. easier to apply to any rom
please don't see me as someone who doesn't like rom developer. I don't mind if anyone ask me about rom development. I have made a thread about customizing a rom and anyone could use that as a starting point in their study. I've also helped several user developing their rom and some of them have published their rom in this forum. believe me, I want to see more rom developer in this forum. but I don't want to see a half assed rom with a lot of bug and complains from other user.
PS: if you consider about reputation stuff you'll understand that I'm saying this for their good. anyone will see someone who comes with a half assed rom as a fake dev. I don't wanna see that happen (again) to anyone here. if they could restrain themself a little bit until they could make a good rom, they could get better response and more appreciation of their work.
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@all
can you please tell us which roms and their developer, that you do not consider as part of SGY development? So we can clearly differentiate it from "real" development to just cooked or themed..
Thanks!
when the rule on XDA is:
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, and HTC is no member, why to hold for only one member the right to post ROM's based on HTC work (RUU, OTA, etc)???
And, when a new RUU of OTA is used for developing a ROM, why have the right to don't share with other developers the source and keep only for himself whatever his name is???
Acceptance of such policy will not help HTC community at all, as already proven and give mods just headache.:crying:
P.S. This question is also for mods, the simply answer is to ...don't answer of close thread of delete it but there are coming many annoying new conflicting rules witch make XDA a private club in stead of Share and Care community!
Thanks Laurentius26, I have change the title of this thread.
P.P.S. Rule : Sources need to be posted for all kernels!!! but why not for ROM's also???
P.P.P.S thanks Laurentius26 thread title changed again!
Not a stupid but a good question.
It's because those people can't cook, they need to stay ahead a few steps so they have time to
process the hard work of those other developers in there roms (the people who do share there personal development).
It's pathetic what these cookers do to my opinion, but XDA can't force those people to share.
If you ask those cookers to share, they always have excuses like 'I need to protect my sources' blablabla....
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Not a stupid but a good question.
It's because those people can't cook, they need to stay ahead a few steps so they have time to
process the hard work of those other developers in there roms (the people who do share there personal development).
It's pathetic what these cookers do to my opinion, but XDA can't force those people to share.
If you ask those cookers to share, they always have excuses like 'I need to protect my sources' blablabla....
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(One of the reasons why I go with CM as the only custom rom . Btw this is an old case. And its not just about ROM Cookers but also Kernel "Somethingers" source, patch, mod gatherers ? I do not know how to call them.
Lately there are kernels cooked up with ppl gathering other ppl sources(even through other devices the dev never own and never will) without acknowledgement to the real dev. These ppl having the title "recognized developer" with over 10k thanks feel safe doing so as no one dares to oppose them.
And Laurentius, whats worst, the major community of XDA will back them up in hope for a praise from them or acknowledgement, or a new rom kernel.
Or there is another phenomenon happening, when asking for a fix, feature, just suggesting a functionality. You get an answer "if you dont like it, do not use it" before it was "Ah good idea, I might try it out" or at least "I have no time for this, sorry, but maybe someone else can look into it"
So the real problem is not the Cooker, Gatherer , but the sheepish community not seeing whats happening. That he can exploit something is just his own cleverness.
Trust me, it happens in every forum, even my old one
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I want to step back for a second and remember if we judge each individual with the same set of rules.
And let's not forget that someone else had raised this problem some time ago and now supports the OP.
I think my information is right, please correct me if not.
I totally agree, I can understand when some people say I need to protect my sources such as Football and Xmoo, who do a great deal for this community, but still cannot share everything as they do have sources that could be jepordised by releasing things.
But I do agree that ROM Cookers are getting pissy and perhaps lazy or bored with the community and are now doing it for that "Donate" purpose.
Also, whats doing my head in, and what you may not have seen or agree with but people putting "Use Search" in EVERY THREAD that is being made is really doing my head in. If they keep doing that, when people do search they will only find threads with answers saying "Use the Search"
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Wilks3y said:
I totally agree, I can understand when some people say I need to protect my sources such as Football and Xmoo, who do a great deal for this community, but still cannot share everything as they do have sources that could be jepordised by releasing things.
But I do agree that ROM Cookers are getting pissy and perhaps lazy or bored with the community and are now doing it for that "Donate" purpose.
Also, whats doing my head in, and what you may not have seen or agree with but people putting "Use Search" in EVERY THREAD that is being made is really doing my head in. If they keep doing that, when people do search they will only find threads with answers saying "Use the Search"
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The selfishness is coming because of fame purposes which names I don't want to mention. But honestly they are annoying, and before I flash certain dev's ROMs even if I get certain leaks I rather live without the leaks and have no source of information instead off all this silly *****ing between two high school girls.
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bippolinno said:
when the rule on XDA is:
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, and HTC is no member, why to hold for only one member the right to post ROM's based on HTC work (RUU, OTA, etc)???
And, when a new RUU of OTA is used for developing a ROM, why have the right to don't share with other developers the source and keep only for himself whatever his name is???
Acceptance of such policy will not help HTC community at all, as already proven and give mods just headache.:crying:
P.S. This question is also for mods, the simply answer is to ...don't answer of close thread of delete it but there are coming many annoying new conflicting rules witch make XDA a private club in stead of Share and Care community!
Thanks Laurentius26, I have change the title of this thread.
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The issue here is the latest JB Sense OTA. This was meant for internal testing purposes for HTC Elevate members and we all signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement before we were accepted onto the programme. Now, someone (and I don't know who) still felt the need to leak this file, even after signing a LEGAL DOCUMENT stating they wouldn't so you can ***** all you want but, to be honest, the RUUs shouldn't be leaking if they've come from a confidential source...
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The issue here is the latest JB Sense OTA. This was meant for internal testing purposes for HTC Elevate members and we all signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement before we were accepted onto the programme. Now, someone (and I don't know who) still felt the need to leak this file, even after signing a LEGAL DOCUMENT stating they wouldn't so you can ***** all you want but, to be honest, the RUUs shouldn't be leaking if they've come from a confidential source...
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Eddy your comment doesn't bring anything to the issue at hand. Please read it again. I wouldn't say he is *****ing.
That it shouldn't leak in the first place is not the issue this is about.
Even with what you say it still means, someone took someone else work and is currently "enriching" himself. Breaking laws in process is just an added bonus. And I guess in this case the mods should close those threads with the leaks. Shouldn't they?
Its about, I will share it, but first download "my" work in 2 days you can play with it too.
So there is no such thing as "BUT" or exceptions. No 2 days of not sharing source if you put a rom out based on. In which case these threads have to be stopped immediately after someone refuses to share it. Or heck even before if it breaks some legal documents.
How come you aren't pursuing this with mods to close those threads down?
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The issue here is the latest JB Sense OTA. This was meant for internal testing purposes for HTC Elevate members and we all signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement before we were accepted onto the programme. Now, someone (and I don't know who) still felt the need to leak this file, even after signing a LEGAL DOCUMENT stating they wouldn't so you can ***** all you want but, to be honest, the RUUs shouldn't be leaking if they've come from a confidential source...
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OK that I understand but when using the source for your own ROM only, means no leak from confidential source???
And as I said why source for kernels and not for ROM's???
The current issue is not related to the Elevate leak.
bippolinno said:
when the rule on XDA is:
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, and HTC is no member, why to hold for only one member the right to post ROM's based on HTC work (RUU, OTA, etc)???
And, when a new RUU of OTA is used for developing a ROM, why have the right to don't share with other developers the source and keep only for himself whatever his name is???
Acceptance of such policy will not help HTC community at all, as already proven and give mods just headache.:crying:
P.S. This question is also for mods, the simply answer is to ...don't answer of close thread of delete it but there are coming many annoying new conflicting rules witch make XDA a private club in stead of Share and Care community!
Thanks Laurentius26, I have change the title of this thread.
P.P.S. Rule : Sources need to be posted for all kernels!!! but why not for ROM's also???
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If you don't like how things are being handled you can always look on your own for sources and share them as you please (or as you can). Or maybe ask HTC for it.
The cook got hold something, let him use it as he pleases. He should have to do anything just because somebody else is *****ing about it.
If the way he handle things is not good enough for you, just ignore him.
Also, android's kernels are linux's so they have to be open source
Not the same with roms, since htc got closed source stuff inside
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If you don't like how things are being handled you can always look on your own for sources and share them as you please (or as you can). Or maybe ask HTC for it.
The cook got hold something, let him use it as he pleases. He should have to do anything just because somebody else is *****ing about it.
If the way he handle things is not good enough for you, just ignore him.
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A little off topic but I want to mention this one here, cooker/ROM creator baadnews, he was blaming HTC for slow updates a few weeks ago, he was telling why he is going to get s3.. its such a shame that people do not respect the work HTC puts behind sense interface. People like baadnews modify a few things, get reputation on XDA, get some donations and then start blaming htc? The company because of whom you are recognised as a developer in this forum? This is very very unfortunate... at least not expected from a developer like him... anyways...
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A little off topic but I want to mention this one here, cooker/ROM creator baadnews, he was blaming HTC for slow updates a few weeks ago, he was telling why he is going to get s3.. its such a shame that people do not respect the work HTC puts behind sense interface. People like baadnews modify a few things, get reputation on XDA, get some donations and then start blaming htc? The company because of whom you are recognised as a developer in this forum? This is very very unfortunate... at least not expected from a developer like him... anyways...
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yea i agree with you, people should be complaining less =P
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The current issue is not related to the Elevate leak.
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It might not be, I was just using it as an example
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If you don't like how things are being handled you can always look on your own for sources and share them as you please (or as you can). Or maybe ask HTC for it.
The cook got hold something, let him use it as he pleases. He should have to do anything just because somebody else is *****ing about it.
If the way he handle things is not good enough for you, just ignore him.
Also, android's kernels are linux's so they have to be open source
Not the same with roms, since htc got closed source stuff inside
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U could be right when not on XDA forums but here happens to be a place to share and care an not for private ROM's.
And FYI I have always supported developers cooking ROM's from scratch with respect for other developers work, I am totally against kang-ers, but this thread is for giving all developers same chance and to make XDA community better!
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A little off topic but I want to mention this one here, cooker/ROM creator baadnews, he was blaming HTC for slow updates a few weeks ago, he was telling why he is going to get s3.. its such a shame that people do not respect the work HTC puts behind sense interface. People like baadnews modify a few things, get reputation on XDA, get some donations and then start blaming htc? The company because of whom you are recognised as a developer in this forum? This is very very unfortunate... at least not expected from a developer like him... anyways...
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It's rude to just single out certain people, baad has provided us with lots of good things so don't go have a go at him. If I'm thinking correctly he brought us the first jb sense rom and guide how to flash it.
My personal views is that everyone should share whatever they have/create.
This way people can see how and what is done. The only reason I see for some users not sharing, is like the other user posted, they don't want something they "created" in another ROM as they want all the "attention" to themselves, or they are scared that their ROM will become less popular, which I don't see as a problem, if someone prefers another ROM fine, let them use it.
If everybody was open about everything and shared, the rom/kernel development would be of twice the level it is at currently, it would benefit everyone, roms/kernels would have twice the amount of features.
But we still have those individuals who want to be ahead of everyone else and look "the best".
Just my two cents.
I really think this thread should be closed and deleted. It's only full of rant.
And it looks like we aren't even sticking to the subject and we are discussing other situations/developers.
Nevertheless, we are all very ungratefull people. I am really looking forword to see your work, RUU's, leak's etc.
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It's rude to just single out certain people, baad has provided us with lots of good things so don't go have a go at him. If I'm thinking correctly he brought us the first jb sense rom and guide how to flash it.
My personal views is that everyone should share whatever they have/create.
This way people can see how and what is done. The only reason I see for some users not sharing, is like the other user posted, they don't want something they "created" in another ROM as they want all the "attention" to themselves, or they are scared that their ROM will become less popular, which I don't see as a problem, if someone prefers another ROM fine, let them use it.
If everybody was open about everything and shared, the rom/kernel development would be of twice the level it is at currently, it would benefit everyone, roms/kernels would have twice the amount of features.
But we still have those individuals who want to be ahead of everyone else and look "the best".
Just my two cents.
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Its not rude, its a fact. I told what he did, there may be others like him too... I saw him, I pointed out the mistake, nothing against him... main point was to tell people to stop complaining, respect what HTC have given us, one x is a masterpiece
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Eddy your comment doesn't bring anything to the issue at hand. Please read it again. I wouldn't say he is *****ing.
That it shouldn't leak in the first place is not the issue this is about.
Even with what you say it still means, someone took someone else work and is currently "enriching" himself. Breaking laws in process is just an added bonus. And I guess in this case the mods should close those threads with the leaks. Shouldn't they?
Its about, I will share it, but first download "my" work in 2 days you can play with it too.
So there is no such thing as "BUT" or exceptions. No 2 days of not sharing source if you put a rom out based on. In which case these threads have to be stopped immediately after someone refuses to share it. Or heck even before if it breaks some legal documents.
How come you aren't pursuing this with mods to close those threads down?
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1. It's not up to me to get threads closed, I was just stating that that specific OTA should never have seen the light of day
2. The OP isn't exactly clear
If you're on about people holding files until they have their ROM out first then I agree that it's a bit wrong but, at the end of the day, it's there choice