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1st off this is not intended to be a flaming / bashing thread. If you want to do that please go elsewhere; I'm sure the vibrant forums will welcome you. If a MOD feels this belongs somewhere else, please move it.
I have been a long time WM user and recently switched to android for the past year. I am offering my take on WP7 on the pros on cons.
Interface - Finally something completely new and wonderful. Microsoft really did hit a homerun on trying to make information at a glance approach. Mail and search apps look beautiful. I thing missing, being able to quickly jump to apps in the app menu.
Lack of Landscape Support- For as great as the UI is I am shocked at the lack of landscape support. The start menu, app menu, nor Zune have lanscape support. You can not even refresh a webpage or type in a website if you are in landscape mode. Calling this anything other than an epic "FAIL" by microsoft is sugar coating it. Especially when the HD7 and Surround beg to be in landscape mode with their kick stands.
Browser - As expected from an IE browser it is pretty good. I already mentioned the lack of landscape support which is really frustrating but there is something else that gets under my skin more. Web pages do not resize to fit the screen when you zoom in. This was/is almost a deal breaking for me honestly. I love the organization of having all the buttons at the bottom and the interface is stunning but you lose way to many options in landscape mode. You can't even access favorites without first going back to portrait. MS, this NEEDS to be addressed soon. The browser is the main feature of smartphones now.
Zune - Wonderful if you have a Zune Pass. Honestly it was one of the main reasons why I bought this phone. I expected it to be awesome and it didn't disappoint. That being said they need to add a Play Now option to the market songs. When I'm browsing the market sometimes I want to queue songs and the Add to Playlist option makes sense but how could you leave out Play now? Seriously?
Another thing I don't like is I can not fast forward to a certain spot in a movie. Video files can be hours long, why should I have to hold the fast forward button to get to the point I'd like. Let me hit the progress bar and then use the rewind / fast forward buttons for getting to the exact point.
USB Storage Device- glaring admission, but I can kind of see why. It helps stop piracy, but I loved being able to hook my fuze / tilt 2 / nexus 1 / vibrant to my car stereo and play the music I had downloaded on my phone. I know I could get an audio cable and do the same, but while driving it is so much easier to use the radio head unit to control music rather than your phone. I knew this when getting in bed with WP7, but that doesnt mean I still can't miss it.
Bluetooth- for music works just like it should. however it will not play the audio from video files threw bluetooth. It keeps coming out of my phone's main speakers and there is no way to get into the bluetooth profiles to see if something is wrong. VERY ANNOYING MS. get to fixing it.
People- Wonderful. Could anyone ask anymore? I gave it my facebook and gmail accounts and I didn't have to worry about any contacts not showing up. Love the Facebook updates also.
Dailer- No smart dialer? This used to even be in my old wizard by default. How it get left out is completely beyond me.
Announced fixes- Flash, Copy & Paste, Turn by Turn navigation can't come soon enough but I am glad microsoft acknowledged they needed them.
Local Outlook Support- I knew this before hand, but I am in the crowd that says MS needs to add this ability.
Overall- I bought my HD7 without a contract and I am pretty sure i will NOT be returning it. I love my HD7 and WP7, however this OS isn't entirely complete. That being said was iOS and Android complete when they came out? To even suggest that is laughable. I can not wait for microsoft to release all the fixes for this OS because when it does it will be a powerhouse.
I will not buy that this phone is for dumbsmart phone users. I probably done more with my phones than 95% of android users who will do nothing by bash WP7 and i honestly see this for ALL users. It helps bring the powerhouse experience in an easier way without being tied down as much as iOS.
Why not just post in one of the other 50 threads? Now people will be copy-pasting replies from those into this one.
I did notice the lack of landscape mode in IE. I think that was the only thing that made me go WTF when I used the HD7.
However, the keyboard is so good that I don't think it even mattered that much.
I guess with a 3.7-8" screen it can be a bit annoying, but on anything 4" or bigger it didn't strike me as a big deal beyond the initial shock of it not being there.
Also, lots of people dont' seem to know the difference between an Operating System and an Application.
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Why not just post in one of the other 50 threads? Now people will be copy-pasting replies from those into this one.
I did notice the lack of landscape mode in IE. I think that was the only thing that made me go WTF when I used the HD7.
However, the keyboard is so good that I don't think it even mattered that much.
I guess with a 3.7-8" screen it can be a bit annoying, but on anything 4" or bigger it didn't strike me as a big deal beyond the initial shock of it not being there.
Also, lots of people dont' seem to know the difference between an Operating System and an Application.
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Those threads became nothing but flaming / bashing threads. I thought it would be a good idea to try to get away from that.
Also a core application can be considered part of the OS. If you can not uninstall it, it is part of the OS.
I thought it was annoying not being able to get to the address bar with all that screen space.
I don't know about you guys but my Surround goes into landscape mode IE just fine...
The only thing I don't like is lack of landscape in marketplace and Zune...
also if you want a nice photo editor, Thumba photo editor for $.099 is awesome!
EDIT: Oh i see. I can't believe I have to switch to portrait to type a URL!! WTF microsoft!
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Browser - As expected from an IE browser it is pretty good. I already mentioned the lack of landscape support which is really frustrating but there is something else that gets under my skin more. Web pages do not resize to fit the screen when you zoom in. This was/is almost a deal breaking for me honestly. I love the organization of having all the buttons at the bottom and the interface is stunning but you lose way to many options in landscape mode. You can't even access favorites without first going back to portrait. MS, this NEEDS to be addressed soon. The browser is the main feature of smartphones now.
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Overall I agree with just about everything you said. Regarding the browser, I've noticed that certain areas of webpages are zoomed in more than others. For instance, on xda, the text of people's posts is HUGE compared to the buttons such as User CP, etc. at the top of the page. What I've found is a double tap in my area of interest on a page will zoom the page so that ONLY my area of interest is approriately sized. Then, when I want to switch to another part of the page, I double tap there and the page will resize, and so on. The text does not dynamically reflow a la Android, but I think it's a pretty usable system.
-R
jz9833 said:
Dailer- No smart dialer? This used to even be in my old wizard by default. How it get left out is completely beyond me.
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There is voice dialing in WP7 not sure what you mean by smart dialer???
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There is voice dialing in WP7 not sure what you mean by smart dialer???
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By going to the dailer and being able to spell "MOM" for example on the keys and it would automatically come up with the number for that contact.
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Also a core application can be considered part of the OS. If you can not uninstall it, it is part of the OS.
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Lol, what? No, it's not. It's a stock application distributed with the OS. It is not part of the OS.
By the Logic people can say "Android is buggy because the GMail client is buggy." or "Windows Mobile is buggy because the Opera Browser HTC bundled with the HD2 is buggy." or "Linux is full of bugs because the KDE in that distro is buggy as hell."
Every OS comes with a set of stock applications, but they are just that, and are usually updatable independent of installing a new kernel or driver stack on the device.
In any case, I've already said I agree that the lack of landscape mode is an issue.
I just wanted to make that distinction, because lots of people on this forum are incapable of doing it themselves.
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Lol, what? No, it's not. It's a stock application distributed with the OS. It is not part of the OS.
By the Logic people can say "Android is buggy because the GMail client is buggy." or "Windows Mobile is buggy because the Opera Browser HTC bundled with the HD2 is buggy." or "Linux is full of bugs because the KDE in that distro is buggy as hell."
Every OS comes with a set of stock applications, but they are just that, and are usually updatable independent of installing a new kernel or driver stack on the device.
In any case, I've already said I agree that the lack of landscape mode is an issue.
I just wanted to make that distinction, because lots of people on this forum are incapable of doing it themselves.
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I still completely disagree with you. Froyo for Android made plenty of browser updates so would you say that wasn't a OS update?
I like most people consider stock apps part of the OS
jz9833 said:
I still completely disagree with you. Froyo for Android made plenty of browser updates so would you say that wasn't a OS update?
I like most people consider stock apps part of the OS
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Agree. Basically system is made of apps.
If email app built into it is buggy, we can say OS is buggy.
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I still completely disagree with you. Froyo for Android made plenty of browser updates so would you say that wasn't a OS update?
I like most people consider stock apps part of the OS
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Doesnt meam ur right and most people are ignorant in os design and the diff between an os and an app distributed with said os.
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N8ter said:
Doesnt meam ur right and most people are ignorant in os design and the diff between an os and an app distributed with said os.
Obviously...
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then you are going to have to disagree with almost all people. This isn't a techy vs jock debate. These are apps which are built into the os and therefore part of the os.
But anyway this thread is meant for objective evaluation of WP7. If you want to continue this debate we should continue it somewhere else.
jz9833 said:
By going to the dailer and being able to spell "MOM" for example on the keys and it would automatically come up with the number for that contact.
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You can use search in the people hub for something very similar. Admittedly not an exact substitute but it works well enough for me.
jz9833 said:
I have been a long time WM user and recently switched to android for the past year. I am offering my take on WP7 on the pros on cons.
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Good post
jz9833 said:
USB Storage Device- glaring admission, but I can kind of see why. It helps stop piracy, but I loved being able to hook my fuze / tilt 2 / nexus 1 / vibrant to my car stereo and play the music I had downloaded on my phone.
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How does this increase piracy? If the files you buy on Zune are locked down they can still do this even if there is a common store of files accessible as usb mass storage. Either by drm or by using isolated storage for those files.
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Local Outlook Support- I knew this before hand, but I am in the crowd that says MS needs to add this ability.
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If you do it this way, then you are working with two sets of data (email, calendar, tasks, contacts, etc.) neither of which is guaranteed to be up to date. I don't see why people think this is preferable to a server-based system.
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I will not buy that this phone is for dumb smart phone users.
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Hopefully this will be true; I will keep my fingers crossed. Currently, as I see it, they are targeting people who don't understand what files are, and would be confused by files, and who believe that music consists of songs arranged by artists into albums. I.e. the dumb mass market.
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How does this increase piracy? If the files you buy on Zune are locked down they can still do this even if there is a common store of files accessible as usb mass storage. Either by drm or by using isolated storage for those files.
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The cintent u purchase in zune have no drm..... The piracy statement is legit.
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though given you just purchased for your zune account, you can then access it on zune desktop, and burn discs from there. so no necessarily correct.
however, what i think of a common storage area is a good idea. just have it so that the pictures, videos, music, documents are in a folder view for when you plug the phone into your PC. it would really only require a bit of mapping within the OS to make it look like a storage unit. Even if it was just more restricted down to just the documents section, that's still something. better than nothing imo as i don't have access to skydrive at work. but aye, i can live with it, it's not going to make me want to return the phone.
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though given you just purchased for your zune account, you can then access it on zune desktop, and burn discs from there. so no necessarily correct.
however, what i think of a common storage area is a good idea. just have it so that the pictures, videos, music, documents are in a folder view for when you plug the phone into your PC. it would really only require a bit of mapping within the OS to make it look like a storage unit. Even if it was just more restricted down to just the documents section, that's still something. better than nothing imo as i don't have access to skydrive at work. but aye, i can live with it, it's not going to make me want to return the phone.
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Its 2001, people pirate with digital media. Cd piracy may still be hip in the third world, but I haven't operated a cd player in years (or used my computer to play one), much less bought or burned one.
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N8ter said:
Its 2001, people pirate with digital media. Cd piracy may still be hip in the third world, but I haven't operated a cd player in years (or used my computer to play one), much less bought or burned one.
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how about an MP3 cd? to play in your car? to lend to a friend? or your USB stick? as soon as it's available on zune desktop you have a copy of it... there is plenty ways around it. i'm not saying you should do it, i'm saying the possibilities are there.
N8ter said:
The cintent u purchase in zune have no drm..... The piracy statement is legit.
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If the files are not DRMed, and Microsoft wants to protect them, either it can DRM the files, or it can keep them in isolated storage. The existence of common storage doesn't exclude isolated storage.
Hi,
i am new in here and just interested in what the new wp7 platform is able to do. I do not want to have a finish solution for it, only to know if it is possibly in general or not. I first would like to focus on two aspects ( other questions are welcomed as well)
I read, that wp7 is based on 6.5 with a few bought in features and that wp7 is quite limited in its opportunities anyway. I am asking that moreover, because microsoft said they will update their system by their own ( so no providers or manufacturers ). Which makes it a very interesting system for me, when it will be supported on the devices for quite long time, and not like the producers do just for a year, so they can sell new phones.
So my questions:
1. will wp7 be able to support a proper offline text to speech function (like in the old voice command)with its new bought in speech recognition. Not online like vlingo or google voice
2. is it possible to integrate a good working mass storage system like on android ( Without registry hacking or something else and not only for music or photos. I mean real data)
I always was a faithfully ms user but with every product i got more and more disappointed and i really would like to give them one more chance, but the device till now is completely not useful. They kicked out everything what was good on windows mobile and brought in everything bad from android and ios. So please tell me that there is still a chance this system will be great one time.
Gesine22 said:
2. is it possible to integrate a good working mass storage system like on android ( Without registry hacking or something else and not only for music or photos. I mean real data)
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Probably not?
doministry said:
Probably not?
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Could anybody confirm this.
Actually, I know I will not be able to deal without USB mass storage. I therefore made it a condition whether or not I will keep my WP7 phone.
I like WP7. Still, if I'm sure that it cannot have USB mass storage one day then I will probably move to Android.
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Could anybody confirm this.
Actually, I know I will not be able to deal without USB mass storage. I therefore made it a condition whether or not I will keep my WP7 phone.
I like WP7. Still, if I'm sure that it cannot have USB mass storage one day then I will probably move to Android.
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I wouldn't count it out. iPods and other Apple products allow mass storage. I believe MS would too.
Cool. Thanks
It's all speculation, there is zilch of the detailed info from MS on the upcoming update.
They don't want you to fiddle with registry that's a given, so there might be a hack around it, but the recent events surrounding the USB storage registry hacks on the PC suggest MS does not want you to do that if you want to keep your internal system intact on the phone.
Someone posted this comment on Microsoft Answer regarding his Love/Hate relationship with WP7
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/thread/cf7a9cc1-47e0-46ca-9d7a-b3601d20f1e6
I am in the same state of mind and fully agree with what is said here.
Considering that none of us here work for Microsoft, we all really have no idea what's possible. So your question is... well... difficult to answer.
The only answer we could possible give to your question is: anything is possible.
Anything Microsoft and it's team decide to do, is certainly possible, and more. The same goes for Apple's team, and Google's team. They can do whatever they want, its their platform, and their money.
Considering that you seem to be missing things from the Windows Mobile platform, since Windows Phone 7 is by the same company that did that platform, then everything you want and suggested is definitely possible. That's the bottom line.
Gesine22 said:
Hi,
i am new in here and just interested in what the new wp7 platform is able to do. I do not want to have a finish solution for it, only to know if it is possibly in general or not. I first would like to focus on two aspects ( other questions are welcomed as well)
I read, that wp7 is based on 6.5 with a few bought in features and that wp7 is quite limited in its opportunities anyway. I am asking that moreover, because microsoft said they will update their system by their own ( so no providers or manufacturers ). Which makes it a very interesting system for me, when it will be supported on the devices for quite long time, and not like the producers do just for a year, so they can sell new phones.
So my questions:
1. will wp7 be able to support a proper offline text to speech function (like in the old voice command)with its new bought in speech recognition. Not online like vlingo or google voice
2. is it possible to integrate a good working mass storage system like on android ( Without registry hacking or something else and not only for music or photos. I mean real data)
I always was a faithfully ms user but with every product i got more and more disappointed and i really would like to give them one more chance, but the device till now is completely not useful. They kicked out everything what was good on windows mobile and brought in everything bad from android and ios. So please tell me that there is still a chance this system will be great one time.
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First, wp7 is not built on 6.5, its new code.
1. Pretty sure the speech to text is built into the phone. Are you talking about something basic like "call Wife mobile" or something more profound like a college dissertation? I haven't tried to push it, but so far it hasn't failed me once.
2. I don't think you will see a real solution for this for quite a while. Microsoft is determined to have you use zune and skydrive for file transfers. I would be suprised to find a solution for this in the next year (other than a hack)
nrfitchett4 said:
2. I don't think you will see a real solution for this for quite a while. Microsoft is determined to have you use zune and skydrive for file transfers. I would be suprised to find a solution for this in the next year (other than a hack)
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Exactly. They push you to use MS services even if you don't have to.
Just like Google. That's why it's hard to imagine any mass storage soon.
I'm in the same boat.
Why do people want to use their phones for mass storage?
In order to do so, you have to reserve enough space on the phone to carry the files. So if you have a 16GB phone, you may only be able to use 8GB of it for your photos, music, videos etc, in order to keep 8GB free just in case you might want to transport 8GB of data around? Doesn't make sense to me.
All you have to do is use the 32GB memory stick dangling from your keychain, and fill your phone up to the brim with lovely media.
Weirdos!
Every user is different.
Many users will need the USB mass storage.
Whether you use it or not, at least let this option.
It's a smartphone after all.
Jim Coleman said:
Why do people want to use their phones for mass storage?
In order to do so, you have to reserve enough space on the phone to carry the files. So if you have a 16GB phone, you may only be able to use 8GB of it for your photos, music, videos etc, in order to keep 8GB free just in case you might want to transport 8GB of data around? Doesn't make sense to me.
All you have to do is use the 32GB memory stick dangling from your keychain, and fill your phone up to the brim with lovely media.
Weirdos!
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To easy and naturally transfer files between PC <> Phone.
And why do you ask this way? It's a personal thing "why". For some it was useful.
This whole mass storage issue is moot! MS have decided that the cloud is the way to go for syncing stuff, a method that I and my friends/ colleagues find very convenient, I do appreciate it might not suit everybody, in which case please do not buy a wp7 phone unless MS change their minds
@ nrfitchett4
Thanks for your answer. To point one i mean, not speech to text. I meant text to speech. I really miss that. I have to cycle or or to walk every day and with every weather. Therefore it is really useful when you phone read your text message or mails, or is saying to you who calls before you always have to get the device out of your pocket. For example when you are wearing gloves. So i have always just use a headset. The voice command for wm worked very well.
@ all others *g*
i think the mass storage problem ist not a problem about storage. I think people do not really understand how deep a software like zune or itunes attacks your personal rights. For the moment it is not that case. But microsoft, apple etc... and their partner companies lets say (sony, universal or what ever exactly know what is on your pc and that fact combined with a tight copyright policy could be quite dangerous for a lot of people. Moreover, they stick you on this way to their system. Its a different if you can not open a specific file on your mobile device because their is no app or whatever for or you even can not download to your device because ms or apple do not like the company who provides these kinds of files.
In addition i do not know where you live but i am travelling a lot by train or stay in urban areas, and than try get a proper internet connection with your phone. Its a disaster. So you can imagine how useful a skydrive is in such a situation.
Further can you imagine a business customer ( who ms wants to reach ) register for a windows live id to download their firm files to the device. I do not. No normal Business user wants to have a zune player to transfer their documents or whatever. Also, ms offers that sharepoint strategy. I really would prefer to have my confidential data on my computer and than on my device.
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But thats all not my question. I just wanted to know if this platform has a real chance ( even most of it must be done by yourself, like on wm, anyway )All forums are full of missing parts on the platform and new ideas, but i would like to know if it will be possible to bring it in again?
So you perhaps should list all the things which will definitely not work (beside flying and cooking *g* )
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i think the mass storage problem ist not a problem about storage. I think people do not really understand how deep a software like zune or itunes attacks your personal rights. For the moment it is not that case. But microsoft, apple etc... and their partner companies lets say (sony, universal or what ever exactly know what is on your pc and that fact combined with a tight copyright policy could be quite dangerous for a lot of people. Moreover, they stick you on this way to their system. Its a different if you can not open a specific file on your mobile device because their is no app or whatever for or you even can not download to your device because ms or apple do not like the company who provides these kinds of files.
In addition i do not know where you live but i am travelling a lot by train or stay in urban areas, and than try get a proper internet connection with your phone. Its a disaster. So you can imagine how useful a skydrive is in such a situation.
Further can you imagine a business customer ( who ms wants to reach ) register for a windows live id to download their firm files to the device. I do not. No normal Business user wants to have a zune player to transfer their documents or whatever. Also, ms offers that sharepoint strategy. I really would prefer to have my confidential data on my computer and than on my device.
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That is the point and I believe these things will be added.
Cloud is not solution for everything.
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@ nrfitchett4
Thanks for your answer. To point one i mean, not speech to text. I meant text to speech. I really miss that. I have to cycle or or to walk every day and with every weather. Therefore it is really useful when you phone read your text message or mails, or is saying to you who calls before you always have to get the device out of your pocket. For example when you are wearing gloves. So i have always just use a headset. The voice command for wm worked very well.
@ all others *g*
i think the mass storage problem ist not a problem about storage. I think people do not really understand how deep a software like zune or itunes attacks your personal rights. For the moment it is not that case. But microsoft, apple etc... and their partner companies lets say (sony, universal or what ever exactly know what is on your pc and that fact combined with a tight copyright policy could be quite dangerous for a lot of people. Moreover, they stick you on this way to their system. Its a different if you can not open a specific file on your mobile device because their is no app or whatever for or you even can not download to your device because ms or apple do not like the company who provides these kinds of files.
In addition i do not know where you live but i am travelling a lot by train or stay in urban areas, and than try get a proper internet connection with your phone. Its a disaster. So you can imagine how useful a skydrive is in such a situation.
Further can you imagine a business customer ( who ms wants to reach ) register for a windows live id to download their firm files to the device. I do not. No normal Business user wants to have a zune player to transfer their documents or whatever. Also, ms offers that sharepoint strategy. I really would prefer to have my confidential data on my computer and than on my device.
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But thats all not my question. I just wanted to know if this platform has a real chance ( even most of it must be done by yourself, like on wm, anyway )All forums are full of missing parts on the platform and new ideas, but i would like to know if it will be possible to bring it in again?
So you perhaps should list all the things which will definitely not work (beside flying and cooking *g* )
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Agree on the points, I could easily see the devices from MS pop-up running WP7 home edition and WP7 business edition if the platform takes off.
doministry said:
That is the point and I believe these things will be added.
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Going on statements from the head of WP7 development on why Zune syncing is the only supported scenario, you won't see this options added.
adesonic said:
This whole mass storage issue is moot! MS have decided that the cloud is the way to go for syncing stuff, a method that I and my friends/ colleagues find very convenient, I do appreciate it might not suit everybody, in which case please do not buy a wp7 phone unless MS change their minds
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So I suppose your company hasn't any policy forbidding to upload any confidential document to a server.
That's fine, but once again, let the choice to other users. It's also a question of freedom. Thanks for respecting this.
Gesine22 said:
In addition i do not know where you live but i am travelling a lot by train or stay in urban areas, and than try get a proper internet connection with your phone. Its a disaster. So you can imagine how useful a skydrive is in such a situation.
Further can you imagine a business customer (who ms wants to reach ) register for a windows live id to download their firm files to the device. I do not. No normal Business user wants to have a zune player to transfer their documents or whatever. Also, ms offers that sharepoint strategy. I really would prefer to have my confidential data on my computer and than on my device.
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Could not agree more.
I just got my self a samsung windows phone 7 and was looking around for a few hours. my question is, Is there a file browser(file explorer) built into WP7. I just cant imagine Microsoft settling with Iphone like interface where you need to sync music a photos and what not.
Simple answer is no and you won't be seeing one from Microsoft any time soon if at all. You can find plenty of threads on this topic if you take the time to search for them.
thank you. yea i would searched but didnt really have time to spare :\
I moved from an HD2 to an HD7 a week ago and thus far I haven't missed having a file browser. In fact I had completely forgotten about it until now.
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Nope, I still don't miss it.
Jim Coleman said:
I moved from an HD2 to an HD7 a week ago and thus far I haven't missed having a file browser. In fact I had completely forgotten about it until now.
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Nope, I still don't miss it.
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It's probably because you don't do things which require that massively.
Like me - I never watch movies on my device so I did never care about missing codecs support.
But that doesn't mean they're not needed.
And BTW, regarding users etc.
The most successfull platform today supports all those missing things
yet it didn't prevent it from boasting a massive success on the market.
I'm probably going to try it this year, there are announcements of upcoming devices in Poland
unfortunately no qwerty ones (HD7,Trophy and this great LG)
doministry said:
It's probably because you don't do things which require that massively.
Like me - I never watch movies on my device so I did never care about missing codecs support.
But that doesn't mean they're not needed.
And BTW, regarding users etc.
The most successfull platform today supports all those missing things
yet it didn't prevent it from boasting a massive success on the market.
I'm probably going to try it this year, there are announcements of upcoming devices in Poland
unfortunately no qwerty ones (HD7,Trophy and this great LG)
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maybe we don't miss it because we are not trying to use our devices as usb sticks (of which most people have several laying around).
The OS was designed that if something is stored on the phone, the proper apps can find them.
I too have not missed having a file explorer. The only reason I ever used it was to install cabs/ tweaks/ mods which are unnecessary on this device.
nrfitchett4 said:
maybe we don't miss it because we are not trying to use our devices as usb sticks (of which most people have several laying around).
The OS was designed that if something is stored on the phone, the proper apps can find them.
I too have not missed having a file explorer. The only reason I ever used it was to install cabs/ tweaks/ mods which are unnecessary on this device.
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So I say still - you don't do things which require that. Fine for you.
Composing email with many different attachements is the simple example here, without success on WP7 right now.
Deleting unwanted files on the device en masse is the second.
Currently you cannot even put all the desired files easily on the device with one simple move
Like docs, videos, pics alltogether. Videos are compressed for instance AFAIK before beeing stored.
Zune does not support docs. All is complicated than.
Device's ability to recognize files by an app is not blocking seeing the file structure.
My SE X2 can do it like WP7, but with all the file explorer capabilities.
doministry said:
So I say still - you don't do things which require that. Fine for you.
Composing email with many different attachements is the simple example here, without success on WP7 right now.
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Never needed to do that yet, but I'm sure the ability to do so will come via an update before I need it. It was very, very rare for me to need to do that when I used WM too.
Deleting unwanted files on the device en masse is the second.
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Funny, I just deleted a folder full of photos from my HD7 by tap-holding the folder and pressing "delete".
Currently you cannot even put all the desired files easily on the device with one simple move
Like docs, videos, pics alltogether.
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Docs sync to Skydrive automatically if you use Windows Live Mesh like I do. Videos, Pics and Music all sync over wireless to the phone via Zune. How hard is that? Drag 'n' drop.
Erm...have you actually USED WP7?
Videos are compressed for instance AFAIK before beeing stored.
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Yep, so are photos and music, all squeezed down to fit the phone's screen and memory. You don't HAVE to let Zune squeeze them, but it's an option I use extensively. No need for a 10Megapixel image on a 480x800 screen. No need for my mp3s to be more than 128Kbps either when using a bluetooth headset.
Zune does not support docs. All is complicated than.
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No the docs sync via Windows Live Mesh. Sheesh. It's all automated.
As mentioned before, just do a proper search for the answer of the thread, the other comments are off again and do not contribute.
Hi,
I've only just found the official feature suggestion website, it amazes me that so few people have been shouting for the same three things I want to see:
As it's a bit of a search/tag based site, I'm going to link to the three features I thinking EVERYONE should jump on and vote for, and hopefully they'll get some weight behind them:
1. Allow Zune to Analyse WP7 "Space reserved by other devices"
2. Drag and Drop files
3. Device backup
the last one's already got big support, so please spare 3 votes for each of the first two, and ask your friends to do likewise if they agree...
I've linked to these 3, as hopefully this might avoid repeated feature requests for the same thing, and all votes can be concentrated in one place. As people vote, these suggestions will rise to the top of "most recently voted on", and consequently snowball and gather more votes.
The homepage for the feature request forum is here, should you want to request anything else:
Feature requests
If this was a sticky, I might have known about this earlier
I've never experienced that first one; what's the issue?
Device backup would be great. But I think I'd rather see some type of notification center; if you miss a third party app toast notification there's no easy way of knowing which app it was. Also, skype integration would be nice, assuming they integrate skype messaging as a bbm alternative.
Are you kidding, OP?
I've never heard of this "space reserved" issue. I've got a couple movies, tons of songs, tons of videos, tons of apps, and still have 5gb free.
This obsession with drag and drop is reaching critical mass of annoyance. I mean, how hard is it to open up the Zune software?
And device backup? Is that a joke? You can do that any time you want. In the Zune software.
My goodness man. If you're gonna troll this forum please bring your A game.
I actually think it's a good idea to link to that list and make people aware of this.
sure haven't. He sure hasn't acted like a troll. I do not understand why you have to attack him for something he'd like to share. Ok, if you don't like it, but don't make it personal. The "joke" is shared by at least over 1000 other people on the feedback page btw (>4000 votes). If you want to take this to the next level why don't you convince those that it's a joke?
Can you please tell me how you backup everything on your device (apps, app settings, os and media) via the Zune Client?
Not knowing or trying to understand what somebody is saying and then acting like that person is a fool - that is trolling to me.
keep it civil
Troll? Maybe google a bit first, follow the links, or at least research before you throw that out there
Point 1.: If you've not come across the "reserved space" issue then, then I doubt you've ever hooked your WP7 up to several PCs, as it will happen sooner or later if you do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104921
The above is my first post on the issue. I had no idea how bad it was going to get from there. In trying to fix the issue by changing sync setting on the 2 PCs I'd used, nearly all of my device is now taken up with "reserved Space".
There are LOTS of posts all over the internet with users having the same issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=904321
http://blog.spencen.com/2011/04/05/windows-phone-lsquoreserved-spacersquo.aspx
http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-7-os-discussion/178895.htm
http://makingwindowseasy.com/2010/03/02/zune-reserved-space/
there are many more, including a massive page on Zuneinsider trying to decipher it:
http://zuneinsider.com/?s=reserved+space
Basically, my WP7 now shows currently as having 200 MB free, with virtually the whole phone taken up by reserve space.
If I "delete all content" from both PCs I've used, this leaves me with between 6GB and 7GB still used in reserved space, and I've certainly not used that with Apps and email (and i don't use GMaps). For a day after Mango update I actually had 13GB reserved space, not bad for a phone with only 8GB
Currently, the only way to sort this is a factory reset. But because the Windows Phone website doesn't work for me, I can't even check to see which Apps are in my history and whether I'd have to manually reinstall them all along with resetting everything else.
So.. brings us to Point 2. Drag and Drop. I hate Zune. I do not want it to sync anything for me automatically anymore. I also want to drag media from a PC without Zune installed, or running Linux, or a Mac. Not too much to ask.
Point 3. Well, point 1 wouldn't be such a major issue if Point 3 existed. If WP6.5 can have a simple backup (even if 3rd party), then why can't Wp7? And choose which to backup from contacts, email, and apps at will.
A simple image backup is going to backup the same issue I'm trying to get rid of.
Hope I'm not trolling too hard here...
i like to have a livetile with a clock like the htc sense
Livetile with a clock
@boma23
Good luck, just remember on this forum talking about WP7 problems = troll
Drag & Drop would be great, this automatic sync drives me nuts too.
It was getting dark in the cave, so I came back to add this one:
Make Windows Phone a 1st class citizen in Windows
Rather ambiguously titled, but this one combines a few of my suggestions, and also already has quite a lot of support and is appearing on the front page of the forum anyway. Please add 3 votes
I think I have a few
* Add Support For Gtalk, mxit, and Nimbuz in the messaging hub. Believe it or not, but these are leading chat networks in both India and Africa by both Businesses and individuals.
* Add Support for Other Bluetooth devices. I want to be able to receive VCard Contacts from other phones as well as send them. If my PC can connect to other phones then why not my WP7??? Its anoying!!!
* Add Dedicated storage area to be used as FLASH Storage, so i can transfer files between PCs that do not have Zune
* Lastly Can someone do some thing about this interface??? the start menu idea is good and by all means should be carried forward. But I want to be able to customize it more say may be have 5 columns of icons. The menu should have a back ground etc. The back ground could be my wall paper, so i don't have to lock my phone to see how cool my wall paper looks.
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Troll? Maybe google a bit first, follow the links, or at least research before you throw that out there
Point 1.: If you've not come across the "reserved space" issue then, then I doubt you've ever hooked your WP7 up to several PCs, as it will happen sooner or later if you do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104921
The above is my first post on the issue. I had no idea how bad it was going to get from there. In trying to fix the issue by changing sync setting on the 2 PCs I'd used, nearly all of my device is now taken up with "reserved Space".
There are LOTS of posts all over the internet with users having the same issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=904321
http://blog.spencen.com/2011/04/05/windows-phone-lsquoreserved-spacersquo.aspx
http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-7-os-discussion/178895.htm
http://makingwindowseasy.com/2010/03/02/zune-reserved-space/
there are many more, including a massive page on Zuneinsider trying to decipher it:
http://zuneinsider.com/?s=reserved+space
Basically, my WP7 now shows currently as having 200 MB free, with virtually the whole phone taken up by reserve space.
If I "delete all content" from both PCs I've used, this leaves me with between 6GB and 7GB still used in reserved space, and I've certainly not used that with Apps and email (and i don't use GMaps). For a day after Mango update I actually had 13GB reserved space, not bad for a phone with only 8GB
Currently, the only way to sort this is a factory reset. But because the Windows Phone website doesn't work for me, I can't even check to see which Apps are in my history and whether I'd have to manually reinstall them all along with resetting everything else.
So.. brings us to Point 2. Drag and Drop. I hate Zune. I do not want it to sync anything for me automatically anymore. I also want to drag media from a PC without Zune installed, or running Linux, or a Mac. Not too much to ask.
Point 3. Well, point 1 wouldn't be such a major issue if Point 3 existed. If WP6.5 can have a simple backup (even if 3rd party), then why can't Wp7? And choose which to backup from contacts, email, and apps at will.
A simple image backup is going to backup the same issue I'm trying to get rid of.
Hope I'm not trolling too hard here...
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boma23, you should kno better than to plug your device into multiple PCs, let alone sync with them. The WP7 is designed to be a hand held version of your PC, and since every PC is different (System Locale, Time Zone, Registry, Zune Settings, etc) there is bound to be a problem. Though luck for you will have to reset your device. So never do it again there after.
File Backup and Drag-n-Drop would be cool indeed
I expected smart /T9 dialer to be a popular request, but it has less than 100 votes (across different requests). I guess an app can fix this, but when WM had it as an OS feature, I don't understand why WP team thought it was unnecessary.
USB outlook sync, without cloud/exchange etc, is my biggest wish. seems there is some interest for that feature.
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boma23, you should kno better than to plug your device into multiple PCs, let alone sync with them. The WP7 is designed to be a hand held version of your PC, and since every PC is different (System Locale, Time Zone, Registry, Zune Settings, etc) there is bound to be a problem. Though luck for you will have to reset your device. So never do it again there after.
File Backup and Drag-n-Drop would be cool indeed
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That is utter crap! Why should he know better? What about people with multiple PC's? Say a desktop, laptop and possibly a work laptop too. Why should we only be able to use our phone with one PC? I plug my htc 7 pro into both my PC and laptop but luckily I havn't came across this problem yet. But I have seen many posts about it and Microsoft need to fix the issue.
A way to copy music, pics and video to the device without Zune would be great. Some of my music is hard to find in Zune. But it would be much better to allow WMP to sync with the device. Then I could just drag a music folder over to it and sync that way. Exactly the same way as I used to with Windows Mobile.
Apart from the lack of bluetooth file transfer, and even thats not a biggy for me. I very pleased with WP7.5 even more so now my 7 Pro has wi-fi tethering
A battery percentage tile would be awesome imo
scoobysnacks said:
A battery percentage tile would be awesome imo
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Check this out if you like the idea of a battery tile:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328730
Multiple text message selection like you can with the email. Landscape support for homescreen and throughout OS. Led notification a standard on all devices. Forward button in browser, better yet a better laid out browser. One button access to dialer keypad instead of two. Should be able to access a mini menu when u press the drop down notification for the sig al bar WiFi and battery to have quick access to toggle or more info. That's just a few. I know it's more but that's off the dome
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I'm guessing the "know better than syncing across multiple devices" thing was sarcasm
I've just thought of another - we need the keybpard API releasing so we can use SWYPE again in WM... I think I miss that app more than anything else since 7 came out
Hi
I am interested in buying the lumia 900 as soon as its on the market in my country. just a couple of weeks off.
anyways, im on android now. not doing very much with the phone, but there are a few things that are must-haves for me.
so, id be glad if anyone could take the time to check if there is a counterpart for the lumia for the following:
- podcast app that automatically loads my podcasts (video&audio) during the night using my wlan according to a time schedule (on android, beyondpod does that for me)
- playing divx and other popular internet movie formats without any decoding etc. (android on sgs2 does that out of the box)
- sending/receving emails with all kinds of attachments
- streaming from and to the smartphone to my pc/tv (allshare from samsung does that for me)
- backup app that uploads all my taken pictures to the cloud ONLY when I am connected to a wlan (not 3g, my dataplan is not large enough)
- full torrent client, not remote only (ttorrent on android)
- moving any kind of files to the device without any restrictions. drag and drop preferred.
that are the must-haves for me if I make the switch to windows phone.
thanks and br
marco
If those are "must haves" then don't waste your time. I don't see why you would need a full torrent client, but it can't and won't exist on WP... Along with some of your other points
Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
Yep. Looks like you are stuck with Android. Enjoy.
Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
If your not going to use torrents on a mobile network I would just keep the android phone as a media player and for games. You can still use it on wifi for torrents. I'm doing this with my inspire because I was worried about app selection
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hmm and apart from the torrent client? is the lumia capable of the other points?
Windows Phone isn't a flash drive either
Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
so it has no torrent client and cannot be partly a flash drive.
i guess all the rest it cant do either....?
kinda limited it seems - no wonder it has difficulties to penetrate the market.
Yeah, that's why the iPhone has done so poorly.
Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
marco_ch said:
hmm and apart from the torrent client? is the lumia capable of the other points?
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Yea thats the dirst thing I look for in a phone.....I make sure I can use it as a flash drive
marco_ch said:
Hi
I am interested in buying the lumia 900 as soon as its on the market in my country. just a couple of weeks off.
anyways, im on android now. not doing very much with the phone, but there are a few things that are must-haves for me.
so, id be glad if anyone could take the time to check if there is a counterpart for the lumia for the following:
- podcast app that automatically loads my podcasts (video&audio) during the night using my wlan according to a time schedule (on android, beyondpod does that for me)
- playing divx and other popular internet movie formats without any decoding etc. (android on sgs2 does that out of the box)
- sending/receving emails with all kinds of attachments
- streaming from and to the smartphone to my pc/tv (allshare from samsung does that for me)
- backup app that uploads all my taken pictures to the cloud ONLY when I am connected to a wlan (not 3g, my dataplan is not large enough)
- full torrent client, not remote only (ttorrent on android)
- moving any kind of files to the device without any restrictions. drag and drop preferred.
that are the must-haves for me if I make the switch to windows phone.
thanks and br
marco
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Zune handles podcasts and auto downloads subscriptions for you.
It also backs up pictures to Skydrive/FB for you.
However...
marco_ch said:
so it has no torrent client and cannot be partly a flash drive.
i guess all the rest it cant do either....?
kinda limited it seems - no wonder it has difficulties to penetrate the market.
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There are numerous, countless, exhaustive posts ALL OVER the internet, not only here, about what Windows Phone is and isn't. I think it's ridiculous, annoying, and pretty ignorant to continue to post comments like this. You came in asking for answers, they were provided, there is no need to throw in a fanboyish jab.
I really don't see the need to receive .psd attachments on my phone, I really don't. I don't see the need to use it as a flash drive, I never did when I had the ability to on WinMo or Android. I also don't see the need to. I understand others have different needs... And I respect that, I just don't see the need to call it limited because it doesn't do things I personally consider unnecessary. I mean, with that logic, Android is "kinda limited it seems" because it can't last anything on battery, it can't run stable, it can't give me a consistent experience, it has stolen IP everywhere, it has an asshole CEO, etc, etc...
I hope you find a phone that suits your needs, the Lumia (and Windows Phone in general) is a great experience.
marco_ch said:
Hi
I am interested in buying the lumia 900 as soon as its on the market in my country. just a couple of weeks off.
anyways, im on android now. not doing very much with the phone, but there are a few things that are must-haves for me.
so, id be glad if anyone could take the time to check if there is a counterpart for the lumia for the following:
- podcast app that automatically loads my podcasts (video&audio) during the night using my wlan according to a time schedule (on android, beyondpod does that for me)
Zune player lets you sync podcasts and set it to download them as soon as they are available using WLAN. You can set it to 'download 3 latest episodes' for example. Scheduling when it downloads them is not available, but I don't see why you'd not want them on your device as soon as they are available.
- playing divx and other popular internet movie formats without any decoding etc. (android on sgs2 does that out of the box)
While I am not sure if WP will support every codec out there, the only way to upload a movie to WP is using Zune, and Zune automatically decodes the movie to the proper format. It takes 15-30 minutes to do this but you don't have to worry. You just drag the movie you want to your device and Zune takes care of the rest.
Another option is to get an awesome app called Plex and set up a HTPC at home which will allow your windows phone to stream any movie in your collection from anywhere that has an internet connection. 3G Data limits may be an issue for this method...
- sending/receving emails with all kinds of attachments
WP email client can do all this stuff. Infact the I find the WP email client as good if not better than Android and much better than iOS.
- streaming from and to the smartphone to my pc/tv (allshare from samsung does that for me)
Streaming form computer to smartphone: PLEX does it very well.
http://plexapp.com/
Streaming from smartphone: various DLNA clients are present on some windows phones. I am not sure if Nokia has one, but my old LG and Samsung Focus had it.
- backup app that uploads all my taken pictures to the cloud ONLY when I am connected to a wlan (not 3g, my dataplan is not large enough)
WP was the first device that allowed things to be backed up to the cloud automatically. However there is no Wifi only uploads. It will do it in 3G or Wifi. The picture quality will be compressed and they will be smaller in size.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/pictures/upload-pictures-to-the-web.aspx
- full torrent client, not remote only (ttorrent on android)
Not available on WP
- moving any kind of files to the device without any restrictions. drag and drop preferred.
There is a homebrew solution for this but the device needs to be unlocked for you to apply it. I personally wouldn't bother with this considering I have a tiny USB key on my keychain that is larger than any WP out there (Other than the fujitsu one )
that are the must-haves for me if I make the switch to windows phone.
thanks and br
marco
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I've answered some of your questions above...hope it helps.
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I've answered some of your questions above...hope it helps.
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Excellent. thanks a lot!
FiyaFleye said:
Zune handles podcasts and auto downloads subscriptions for you.
It also backs up pictures to Skydrive/FB for you.
However...
There are numerous, countless, exhaustive posts ALL OVER the internet, not only here, about what Windows Phone is and isn't. I think it's ridiculous, annoying, and pretty ignorant to continue to post comments like this. You came in asking for answers, they were provided, there is no need to throw in a fanboyish jab.
I really don't see the need to receive .psd attachments on my phone, I really don't. I don't see the need to use it as a flash drive, I never did when I had the ability to on WinMo or Android. I also don't see the need to. I understand others have different needs... And I respect that, I just don't see the need to call it limited because it doesn't do things I personally consider unnecessary. I mean, with that logic, Android is "kinda limited it seems" because it can't last anything on battery, it can't run stable, it can't give me a consistent experience, it has stolen IP everywhere, it has an asshole CEO, etc, etc...
I hope you find a phone that suits your needs, the Lumia (and Windows Phone in general) is a great experience.
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Dude seriously..... but lol about the CEO thing ;-)