[Q] Will this fit the HD? Extended Battery Case - Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

http://power-skin.com/battery-cases/ap1502hd7/htc-hd7-powerskin.html
Since the HD7 and the HD are the same phone, more or less, and their ports in the same place (except for the volume rocker), would it be safe to say that this would fit fine with a slight mod to the volume rocker area?
Thanks!

Short answer is no.
The HD7 battery is accessed by removing the back panel. The DHD (as you know) has a side loaded battery and battery cover.
As you cannot expose the back of a DHD, you therefore cannot access the internal battery connectors in the same way that you can in an HD7.

Ahmm, this uses a plug. It plugs in at the bottom of the phone (micro USB)

zkyevolved said:
Ahmm, this uses a plug. It plugs in at the bottom of the phone (micro USB)
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Still, chances are, as it's designed for a physically different piece of hardware it won't work.

I have just found this as well and i think it could solve my problems with the DHD.
I have emailed the company and asked them support the DHD going forward. I will let you know if i hear anything back.

gmac00 said:
I have just found this as well and i think it could solve my problems with the DHD.
I have emailed the company and asked them support the DHD going forward. I will let you know if i hear anything back.
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I had written them with this:
"...I'd also like to know if you plan to support the HTC Desire HD? It's the EXACT same as the HD7, but with the volume rocker on the other side. I know a lot of people have had woes about their battery life with the HD7 and Desire HD, so this would be a god-send. If not, I would like to know what material is the sides of the case, because if you don't plan to support it another option would be to just cut out the volume rocker ourselves as the it's the exact same thickness and design and how the charging cable is in the same spot. I realize that would invalidate your warranty, but it's an option for some people out there! So are the sides made out of a silicone material TPU or anything like that?"
and they responded with:
"We currently do not have a PowerSkin that works with the HTC Desire HD, but we are looking into it. Hopefully we will have one available in the near future. Yes PowerSkin’s are made of silicone material.
Thank you for your interest in PowerSkin."
The dimensions are the almost exactly the same, so I think it will fit it, but the only issue would be the volume rocker which is on the other side of the device for the HD7.
Any other opinions?

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Replacement housing: an alternative to cases

Over the years, my preferred method of addressing the wear/tear was not by using cases (which add bulk), but my simply getting a new phone housing when the old one gets too scratched up.
And it looks like OEM-like housing for HD mini are beginning to appear on the market, such as here.
Looks like HD mini housing is absolutely identical to Aria's. I'm going to stock up on one and give it a try.
Please let us know how this works out, I wonder if someone will sell just the back cover.
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With most phones now having glass in the capacitive touch screens, I just don't see your extra housing providing much protection from a drop.
It's still a good idea though.
yollasho said:
With most phones now having glass in the capacitive touch screens, I just don't see your extra housing providing much protection from a drop.
It's still a good idea though.
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Indeed I'd be concerned about the screen in the case of a drop, but agreed its a good idea. Let us know how this works out, I'll have to keep it in mind if it does work on if/when my housing ever takes a beating
I bought 2 of these from ebay thinking the exact same thing. They were advertised for the HD mini as we all now know it is the arias winmo twin. When i received my housings I was very excited to try them on but ended up being very disappointed. The housing came with a few pieces of excess plastic from the manufacturing process which was no big deal. Next I noticed that there were no volume buttons, again not too big of a big deal as they can be carefully removed off the old case and hopefully attached to the new case. The absolute deal breaker was the fact that the Aria antenna IS the back cover, and this replacement did not include the antenna. I examined the original and I do not believe it is possible to remove the antenna and reattach it to a replacement. However this particular housing may be different, either way let us know what your results were.
check these out they look like oem with the htc
http://www.amazon.com/Amzer-Luxe-Argyle-Skin-Case/dp/B003TFDIZC/ref=pd_rhf_shvl_2
pcruz said:
The absolute deal breaker was the fact that the Aria antenna IS the back cover, and this replacement did not include the antenna.
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You're right -- none of the HD mini housings I see advertised on Ebay have the antenna contact leads on the inside
b_atman said:
check these out they look like oem with the htc
http://www.amazon.com/Amzer-Luxe-Argyle-Skin-Case/dp/B003TFDIZC/ref=pd_rhf_shvl_2
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That's a case, what's being discussed here is the actual body of the phone
It's too bad about the mini's back cover not having the antenna contacts, hopefully true Aria accessories will start coming out and you can get your hands on a real housing for it
ya sorry about that , it was deceptive looking the first one i looked at had the logo and tri-screw holes. thought it was a replacement back cover

Found a desktop dock for the Aria

So I've been looking for a nice desktop dock for the Aria so I can use it on my nightstand at night while charging. I don't like laying it flat on my nightstand cause having the speaker against the surface muffles the speaker, and I use it as an alarm clock most nights. I scoured about, but there aren't a lot of Aria specific accessories. Finally while searching google for "htc hd mini cradle" or something of the like I ran across this:
(i can't post links cause I'm new to xda, so you'll have to copy and paste it to your browser)
shop.htcpedia.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=996&compability_product=447
Looks nice, and it even SAYS it works with the Aria. That makes me wonder why it never showed up on my searches looking for Aria specific stuff... the picture has an Aria sitting in it lol. I ordered it up, and it wasn't as cheap as I would have liked. Came out to about $38 after shipping. I'll let you all know how I like it once it arrives early this week.
I got EXACTLY the same item on Ebay for $9 (plus $4 for shipping). It took about a week for it to arrive from Hong Kong.
There is a bright blue LED that light up when you place the phone in the craddle. When plugged, Aria sits snug and secure. There is an additional USB cable that can be plugged into PC for syncing.
Aha, $9. Nice find. I don't think the blue LED is that bright at all.
when i was looking for a dock i saw the one that you all are talking about and found this one and i think it looks better and it only 16.99 so i bought it, it was a while ago about a month
I saw a few that charge an extra battery. That wasn't what I was looking for though. Just wanted something small, weighted, and functional.
Gorilla800lbs said:
I got EXACTLY the same item on Ebay for $9 (plus $4 for shipping). It took about a week for it to arrive from Hong Kong.
There is a bright blue LED that light up when you place the phone in the craddle. When plugged, Aria sits snug and secure. There is an additional USB cable that can be plugged into PC for syncing.
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Hi mate,
I have a Zagg invisishield (front and back) on the way for my Aria, I'd like to get a dock, but from your observations would you say its too tight already. Have I got no chance getting it into the dock with the shield on?
Sorry it took me awhile to get back to this thread!
I inspected the gaps between my Aria and the dock's cradle.
Obviosly, ZAGG film on the front is not creating any issues -- I have one myself! The film on the back could be more nuanced. The sides and the back have enough gap, however the bottom of the phone (where the micro USB port is) could be an issue. I tried wrapping two strips of brown-bag paper around the bottom of my phone, and it still goes into craddle securely and the USB port makes a solid connection.
However, we know that ZAGG film becomes a little bit "sticky" under warm conditions. I am not certain if the warmness of the battery and tight contact between the film on the phone and the dock may cause the film to stick just a little bit, which would make it be pulled away from the phone every time you're undocking it. Hopefully, this will not be an issue, so I would encourage you to try.
Wow I thank you for informative reply. I didn't expect you to go to so much effort.
It is a great help, I think I might get one and try. Thanks mate.
Gorilla800lbs said:
Sorry it took me awhile to get back to this thread!
I inspected the gaps between my Aria and the dock's cradle.
Obviosly, ZAGG film on the front is not creating any issues -- I have one myself! The film on the back could be more nuanced. The sides and the back have enough gap, however the bottom of the phone (where the micro USB port is) could be an issue. I tried wrapping two strips of brown-bag paper around the bottom of my phone, and it still goes into craddle securely and the USB port makes a solid connection.
However, we know that ZAGG film becomes a little bit "sticky" under warm conditions. I am not certain if the warmness of the battery and tight contact between the film on the phone and the dock may cause the film to stick just a little bit, which would make it be pulled away from the phone every time you're undocking it. Hopefully, this will not be an issue, so I would encourage you to try.
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Gorilla800lbs said:
Sorry it took me awhile to get back to this thread!
I inspected the gaps between my Aria and the dock's cradle.
Obviosly, ZAGG film on the front is not creating any issues -- I have one myself! The film on the back could be more nuanced. The sides and the back have enough gap, however the bottom of the phone (where the micro USB port is) could be an issue. I tried wrapping two strips of brown-bag paper around the bottom of my phone, and it still goes into craddle securely and the USB port makes a solid connection.
However, we know that ZAGG film becomes a little bit "sticky" under warm conditions. I am not certain if the warmness of the battery and tight contact between the film on the phone and the dock may cause the film to stick just a little bit, which would make it be pulled away from the phone every time you're undocking it. Hopefully, this will not be an issue, so I would encourage you to try.
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Hi Gorilla800lbs, I found your information to be very useful. I have a different kind of back case and its really think... probably 1mm or slightly more..... do you think the phone will dock with this case attached?
Thanks for the ebay link, I ordered one too
This is cool, I going to get it. Thanks for the find. Looks really big, but it's all good.
damn ive been looking for one of these now time to search e bay lol
thanks to all who posted
Is the build quality of the ebay one nice?
wiithepeng said:
Is the build quality of the ebay one nice?
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This is EXACTLY my concern. I know China manufacturers like to skimp on quality and workmanship sometimes. Often they will have counterfeit components and can cause serious issues with electronics. (I've replaced many a Taiwanese counterfeit capacitor)
Nothing against the nationality, just against build quality.
Can anyone vouch for it?
yeah i hope anyone can verify this, so that i can buy this right away!
how difference with micro usb cable? i think it's work the same thing, charge+sync.

New Defy Model?

I got a replacement from Amazon because my earlier defy had a random reboot problem. However now I have two phones with me and when I compare them, the newest replacement seems very plasticky. The black model of european seems to be like a bad paint job of white US model coated with a black paint. Also the volume rocker and power buttons make the plastic sound when pressed.
Is this the latest european model that is being released in the market. If yes, then most of you who bought these pieces have a sub-standard quality of this phone. I loved my old phone and the smooth finish with extra smooth buttons.
Any inputs from anyone?
I have a European version which exhibits none of the symptoms you describe.
Got mine at amazon(.fr) two weeks ago to replace my desire (it fell hard on the floor and the glass is now broken).
I see the exact same symptoms you describe: cheap power and volume buttons, and overall very plasticky look and feel. That was kind of a disappointment. Then i have been even more disappointed when i realized i wouldn't be able to flash custom roms - i miss my cyanogen.
Well, this is a kind of cheap android device and it sure feels cheap. Won't buy any another moto device nor would i recommend it, that's for sure. In the meantime i try to get the best out of it.
Your experiences sure are odd. If you had not both specified that you got your phones from Amazon, I would have thought you had used ebay and gotten some shoddy copies of a fine device.
That said, the phone does use a lot of plastic, but that is something that any review will tell you.
And who does not read at least one review before buying a device nowadays?
The same goes for what can be done, ROM-wise. I checked out XDA Developers before I clicked the final 'Purchase' button, so in that regard there were no surprises for me either.
Sure reviews tell you it uses plastic. But whatever you read, unless you experience it for yourself you don't really realize. Concerning the power and volume buttons, i didn't realize it wasn't normal until i read the op.
Beside, one only really reads what seems to matter at the time of the reading: this is a super-resistant device -- put it under water, throw it against the walls, hell, yeah, i'm all in. That's what got me on board, i didn't really thought about roms, and next time i will pay more attention.
So, yes, i'm a bit disapointed, but Android still is a great toy, even with *that* device.
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Your experiences sure are odd. If you had not both specified that you got your phones from Amazon, I would have thought you had used ebay and gotten some shoddy copies of a fine device.
That said, the phone does use a lot of plastic, but that is something that any review will tell you.
And who does not read at least one review before buying a device nowadays?
The same goes for what can be done, ROM-wise. I checked out XDA Developers before I clicked the final 'Purchase' button, so in that regard there were no surprises for me either.
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I think you dint read my question quite right. What i opined was that my first defy which I just returned back to amazon was a gem. It has those buttons as soft as rubber and the body build itself was different. I used it for 4months and had to give it back to due some hardware problem. Now the one I got yesterday seems a completely different build. Now those are things that no review will be able to tell you right?. Something I thought I will share with other users. It might be that Motorola just started to produce this kind of cheap builds owing to surge in demand.
That said, no complaints on this one too. But i do miss that classic finish and soft soundless buttons.
gdodinet said:
Got mine at amazon(.fr) two weeks ago to replace my desire (it fell hard on the floor and the glass is now broken).
I see the exact same symptoms you describe: cheap power and volume buttons, and overall very plasticky look and feel. That was kind of a disappointment. Then i have been even more disappointed when i realized i wouldn't be able to flash custom roms - i miss my cyanogen.
Well, this is a kind of cheap android device and it sure feels cheap. Won't buy any another moto device nor would i recommend it, that's for sure. In the meantime i try to get the best out of it.
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Did you get a BT/BF or blue dot device from Amazon.fr?
I was planning on buying a Defy from Amazon but this is bad news...
Why is it so hard to get a decent Defy... First there was the earpiece problem, now this.
I got mine from clevertronic.de in mid November, think it wasn't even out on amazon.de by then.
I also thought that the power and volume button seemed rather cheap looking... and clacking (at the beginning I didn't know where that clacking sound came from, thought something was wrong with the drive or something).
But until now I thought that'd be normal so I didn't complain.
Really odd.
"I tought this was normal until I read this post"
I don't really understand these people complaining about previously-normal (to them) things. It's like when the fear spreads for a pandemic.
I have got a BT33 black european defy, and I repute the build quality excellent even for that price. Sure, it is plastic, but what did you expect from a €300 phone? Brushed aluminium?
Do you think that more expensive phones are all metal builds?
Just look at the Acer Liquid Metal: you can long see it from the pics it won't be nearly the same build quality of the Defy, that it will screak when held in hand. Despite the name, it only comes with a small strip of metal in the back. I also guess the front glass is not even glass, let alone gorilla glass. And that's for €50 more than a Defy.
Anyways mine has no creaking when squeezed in the hand, the back cover paint is soft-touch and well done, the front bezel is well built, glass is perfectly aligned, back cover not bulging, side covers intact, and the volume keys only make a slight click if I shake the phone.
You're all being too picky.
Mine is an all black European model. The buttons are plastic rather than rubber but they don't rattle about or click, and i've never thought of them as being cheap-feeling.
The paint finish on the screws did start to wear off pretty quickly though.
Also have the european black model, from november.
Plastic buttons that rattle slightly, and frontshell dont fit 100% with the backshell. Everything else looks quite expensive.
For around 300€ with the powerful hardware inside its a catch in my opinion.
Sent from my Defy
FWIW, T-MO USA just sent me a replacement Defy. Not the Euro model, of course. But the same high quality of my original and has the BT prefix.
Got mine from telstra aus. It's sweet. I've soaked it in beer and dropped it numerous times. Not a scratch!
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scrannel said:
FWIW, T-MO USA just sent me a replacement Defy. Not the Euro model, of course. But the same high quality of my original and has the BT prefix.
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What are you referring to with 'Euro model'? Do you mean the version with the white rubber section, as opposed to it being black?
I wasn't aware either was area/continent-specific, as both can be purchased in Europe.
If you are somehow implying that European build quality is less than.. well, the build quality of where-ever you are, I doubt there is any difference.
To strengthen my argument i am going to post snaps of the two variants tonight. Hopefully my wife should not have mailed it off to amazon.
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Please do, I find pictures help a lot when trying to explain something about the look of a product.
naenee said:
What are you referring to with 'Euro model'? Do you mean the version with the white rubber section, as opposed to it being black?
I wasn't aware either was area/continent-specific, as both can be purchased in Europe.
If you are somehow implying that European build quality is less than.. well, the build quality of where-ever you are, I doubt there is any difference.
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I meant the phone mentioned above with the all black case. Not saying the Europeans don't know how to make good phones since they're most all made in China anyway (I hear there are some made in South America). But the poster was suggesting he had gotten a low quality phone. T-MO in the US only ships the phone with the white case, I believe.
I alos have a European version which exhibits some of the symptoms you describe.
scrannel said:
I meant the phone mentioned above with the all black case. Not saying the Europeans don't know how to make good phones since they're most all made in China anyway (I hear there are some made in South America). But the poster was suggesting he had gotten a low quality phone. T-MO in the US only ships the phone with the white case, I believe.
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Indeed, they're made in Asia - I would have suggested that as a counter, but seeing your reply, that's not necessary.
Ah, I see. I think some materials had to be different due to this phone being sturdier. Plastic and rubber can be very durable.
SemperEgo said:
Did you get a BT/BF or blue dot device from Amazon.fr?
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I'm not sure what you're referring to with BT/BF and "blue dot device", so i guess that's a no: i didn't get such a phone from amazon.

HTC One X Desktop Cradle with Speaker CR S650

http://www.expansys.com/htc-one-x-d...tm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=base&ito=1701
Considering getting one of these when they are released... I just wanted to ask if anyone has read about the wattage? If it works as a decent speaker I'd be more than tempted. If it's a measley 2.5W pile of nothing I might not bother...
i dont think the speaker will be anything good, more about just puttng the phone on a dock, but i do think its overpriced for what it is, but i love the idea of it.
I just think perhaps the wattage could be the decider... if it's good it'll be reasonable value. I suspect it might not be though
I think its more "gentle" to put the phone on a cradle like this then fiddle in the plug every night isnt it?!
Be warned that if you want to use a case on the phone and still dock it, the ONLY hard case that seems to let the "pins" of the dock reach the back of the phone is the HTC HC C704 which stupidly doesn't have a clear version like the HTC HC C700. The C700 is missing the holes!! Very odd design choice by HTC
Poor thing! And the c704 don`t seems to protect the ring around the lense of the cam.
You can't protect the ring on the camera with the docking cases because the dock has a groove that holds the camera, and the extra protection would make it sit in the dock less securely(because it can't sit flush to the dock). I believe that is why they differentiated the cases.
jonstatt said:
Be warned that if you want to use a case on the phone and still dock it, the ONLY hard case that seems to let the "pins" of the dock reach the back of the phone is the HTC HC C704 which stupidly doesn't have a clear version like the HTC HC C700. The C700 is missing the holes!! Very odd design choice by HTC
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But there is a white and a grey version to match each colour of the phone.
For me, the dock is tempting for work to keep it charged and sync my outlook calendar.
Is anybody interested in cheaper version with only pogo-pin charging? It seems that pogo connectors are availiable from chinese producers, we just need to design the case and electronics I would throw in my 20 Euro for a good designed product.
Let me know if you are interested in kickstarted project.
chortya said:
Is anybody interested in cheaper version with only pogo-pin charging? It seems that pogo connectors are availiable from chinese producers, we just need to design the case and electronics I would throw in my 20 Euro for a good designed product.
Let me know if you are interested in kickstarted project.
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I'm interested. I only want charging really, not bothered about a crappy speaker
Si
love the idea!
make it a clean design, and my money is yours
maybe a hdmi connector too? <- would pay more for that maybe as special version?
The main thing putting me off about this dock is the angle at which the device will sit, as far as I'm concerned it's far too shallow.
I agree with my Rotherham friend. I'm not interested in it doing anything fancy then
Charge the device
Make it enter dock mode
Look pretty
Si
I like it, I might get one for work, so I can clearly see my phone screen when I'm at work.
I'm guessing if the phones in the cradle then Sense 4.0 will go landscape?
I would buy a cheap dock for charging.... hdmi sounds good but I guess the cost will slowly creep up....
BigladUK said:
I'm interested. I only want charging really, not bothered about a crappy speaker
Si
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Theres someone selling a desktop charger in ebay UK
vanngoh said:
Theres someone selling a desktop charger in ebay UK
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Can you link to it ?
Si
a link please ..?
All docks that are available now use micro USB not the pogo pins! I thought about starting a project but I'm lacking electronics skills... A friend of mine can model the product in CAD and I could find a way to print a prototype in 3D but first pogo pin charging needs to be reverse engineered and tested. I think HTC may have added some kind of accessory verification...
Is there anyone who've bought this cradle already?? The want to buy one, if the connection between the dock and telephone is good. So if there is anyone who've bought it could you give a review??
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Car holder whilst using a case

I'm after a car holder for my HTC One whereby I don't have to take the phone out of the case as it's annoying and I'd like something quick and easy to use.
I've bought a few from Amazon for my HTC One X but they were rubbish, flimsy or just didn't stick to the windscreen.
So I'm after some personal experiences too, has anyone bought a car holder for their One that you don't have to take it out of the case to use and does it work well?
Somewhere I can buy it from in the UK
Something like this I bought for my HOX but it just didn't work very well. Might give it a go since it's only £2.
My friends in the UK use this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mountek-nGr...e=UTF8&qid=1372679295&sr=8-1&keywords=Mountek
I just ordered one this morning and am expecting to receive it in a week to ten days since I am in Egypt. My friends have had it for a long time now and they tell me that it's amazing and the quality is extremely durable to this day.
Some of them also use a combination of two items: this and this. The first one has a sticky pad which is very, very strong and just doesn't fade, they tell me it's as strong as the day they bought it and they use the second item sometimes, basically they attach it to the sticky pad and use it as an actual car mount.
The second suggestion isn't the most practical but it works well and is fairly cheap, however the Mountek one is just perfect; not only did I read good reviews about it and was it recommended by friends, but I also watched videos and I find it great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG3A4uq1ItQ
I can highly recommend this one…
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/supergrip-universal-case-compatible-car-mount-p30552.htm
It will hold just about any phone in either portrait or landscape. Its suction pad even sticks to mottled, textured dashboard surfaces. Naturally it holds to glass like a limpet. Beware of the cheaper Amazon look-a-likes that have an inferior sucker.
It is very quick to attach and remove your phone, and doesn’t smother the phone’s back so the phone still gets air cooling (mine gets very hot charging and using sat nav). I think it looks ok too.
Thanks both, much appreciated. I'll check both of these out.
@wnp_79 - What's the pressure like on your car holder, in respect to it looks like it's spring loaded so I'm worried that it might put too much pressure on the sides of the phone, if that makes sense?
gibbs1984 said:
Thanks both, much appreciated. I'll check both of these out.
@wnp_79 - What's the pressure like on your car holder, in respect to it looks like it's spring loaded so I'm worried that it might put too much pressure on the sides of the phone, if that makes sense?
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It is spring loaded, but does not hold the phone with any more pressure than you would use holding it yourself. The only issue I've had is with certain cases (like the Otterbox Commuter) which have protruding volume buttons. The grip is enough to accidentally activate these if you are not careful where you place the phone. With flush buttons or ensuring the grip misses them there's no issues.
wnp_79 said:
It is spring loaded, but does not hold the phone with any more pressure than you would use holding it yourself. The only issue I've had is with certain cases (like the Otterbox Commuter) which have protruding volume buttons. The grip is enough to accidentally activate these if you are not careful where you place the phone. With flush buttons or ensuring the grip misses them there's no issues.
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Thanks, I'll add it to the possible list and I'll do some more research before pay day.
Appreciate the feedback
wnp_79 said:
I can highly recommend this one…
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/supergrip-universal-case-compatible-car-mount-p30552.htm
It will hold just about any phone in either portrait or landscape. Its suction pad even sticks to mottled, textured dashboard surfaces. Naturally it holds to glass like a limpet. Beware of the cheaper Amazon look-a-likes that have an inferior sucker.
It is very quick to attach and remove your phone, and doesn’t smother the phone’s back so the phone still gets air cooling (mine gets very hot charging and using sat nav). I think it looks ok too.
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Yes this one works wonderfully. I thought it a little to simple at first... But simple wins here. It'll even work with future phones. You can install and remove phone one handed and of course cases work. Only bad thing is no dedicated charging... But i got over that quick.
Kenu airframe. For me it's the best.
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I've been looking for the same thing. Thanks for the recommendations, I will report back once I pick one up!

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