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As a Vogue owner, I use mine for GPS in the car, as well as being my media player, and also (obviously) as a phone.
This usage finds me frequently rotating the screen to the right, and turning on BT when I get in the car. Then when I get out, I have to undo those changes. It's a number of clicks to do this each time, and becoming something of a hassle.
I'm thinking of writing an application to automate the process. I wanted to get some feedback before I start.
1. Is anyone else interested in a project like this? (Note that this is just the beginning, additional functionality could be added, feel free to brainstorm!)
2. Is anyone who is interested in this project willing to beta-test this software?
Thanks for your input!
Shidell
Hm. I guess nobody else uses a screen flip & BT regularly as they enter/exit their vehicles? Or perhaps I'm uninformed on a better of way of doing so?
Comments/thoughts, anyone?
I would love to have a one button access to this too. On my Dream I have the power control widget. And although there is something similar for WinMo 6.5, its doesnt do the screen flip. Only Bluetooth.
I am not a developer, but I dont mind putting my Vogue up as a guinea pig!
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what do you use bt for? the external gps or to your stereo or monitor? My gps is internal myslf.
But otherwise yes I use mine for the exact same purpose, I would also like to output the video to my stereo monitor for larger view, audio is already working but I havent found anyway to output video either. I dont think you can on the touch vogue.
i keep BT on all the time (not discoverable though), and i used AEbutton Plus to set my camera button to rotate the screen when i hold it down.
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i keep BT on all the time (not discoverable though), and i used AEbutton Plus to set my camera button to rotate the screen when i hold it down.
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That would be cool, I'd be willing to beta-test for you.
mapping the camera button to screen rotate is a work around but it's just that.......a work around. I use my camera function alot as well, this would be a neat app.
Glad to see there's some interest! I figured I wasn't alone. I was also using AEButton to map a flip, but then found I would flip, turn on BT, etc. Anyhow, on to the beta.
This is simply a proof of concept to prove it works functionally. This *should* work on all Vogues (and probably most other model phones), but again, this is still a beta.
Please note that there is no installer (.cab) package right now, nor any icon, and no application settings. When you launch the application, it will determine your screen's current orientation and flip it, and it will also determine your BT's current setting and flip it. That's all this will do in it's current state.
What I need from you:
What model phone do you have (assuming Vogue?)
Did the functionality work as I described? Any problems?
How would you change/improve this application?
I am considering adding a first-run type setup to determine how you want to run the flip--IE just turn on BT (as a shortcut), etc. Ideas?
Note: As it stands right now, V15 of NFSFAN's ROM using M2D will not "flip" orientation. Titanium is fine, but M2D doesn't like the "flip" and the screen will revert to standard orientation, even though the application runs as normal and will enable/disable BT.
Simply unzip this package and place it on your phone's memory--local, SD card, it doesn't matter. Make sure you include the .exe and the .dll. Then you can run the application by clicking it. Note that you can click and hold on the app. to send a shortcut to "Programs", to make it convenient to launch.
http://www.easy-share.com/1907580543/Vehicle_Flip.zip
Thanks!
1. I copied the zip to my documents, unzipped it, made a shortcut
2. Pressed start, selected the (non-existant!!) icon
It works!!!!
I was able to flip screen orientation back and forth.
1. Manila
It also worked for me with Manila. The actual Manila doesn't like being in landscape, but it did not revert, and I used the start menu to launch TomTom and it stayed in landscape. Orientation did flip as you stated when exiting TomTom. When selecting the application again to turn off bluetooth it did, but ther orientation flipped portrait-landscape-portrait while bluetooth turned off
2. Titanium
Worked very well
I usually use 2 things in my car (at the same time), audio manager and TomTom, I launch each separately, have TT displayed, press the red home key, then use task manager to flip to audiomanager to switch a song if I want, then back to TomTom. I was able to do all of this and the screen stayed in landscape the whole time.
Not working with Manila isn't a big deal for me, M2D never has behaved well in Landscape, but some prgrams do (audiomanager, phone canvas). I also prefer the stand alone audio manager screen for in the car because the buttons are more finger friendly than the music tab on M2D.
I would make an icon for this program, and that's about it. Sometimes simplicity is the best.
My info is in my sig. You should preview and link this thread to the dev and hacking section. You'd get more notice and feedback.
Greeat Job!!!
I just have the camera button mapped to rotate screen; and if you hold down the camera button for a while, it opens the camera. Makes rotating the screen fast and easy.
I've just upgraded to a Desire coming from a Touch HD (Dutty Holy Grail) and have to say that first impressions are not great. Seriously thinking about returning it but interested to hear other people's experience.
So far moaning about the following problems - well more inconveniences:
- keyboard too jumpy
- can't call contact directly from email
- no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call.
- double syncs everything (on exchange server) so that appointment entries appear twice in calendar
- the home screen apps are kind of useless as you basically need to launch the full app to be able to do anything (ie email or sms)
- sms messaging doesn't tell you how many letters you have left
- no messaging in facebook
- headphone volume quiet (and that's with in ear headphones where on my HD I had the volume set to 1!)
- battery life atrocious in comparison. charged my phone last night and had a full charge before going to bed and when I woke up it was at 30%. no wifi or bluetooth on.
Will persevere another few days to make sure that I'm not just a grumpy old fart who hates change....
Take it back then. And my sms shows how many letter i have left.
I'll answer some of your points because a few are valid.
Could you elaborate on calling from emails? You mean the phone picking up that you have a number stored for a contact and allowing you to dial them? I've tried this and it works. You need to be using the HTC mail client, not the Gmail one.
"no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call."
I couldn't reproduce this use case at all. Your screen locks while you're in a call? A SHORT call too? Or are you just positing a use case you THINK could happen? The screen goes blank when you raise it to your ear and turns back on when you take it away...what you describe can't happen.
If you've got double syncing then there's a configuration error. Elaborate. How did you set it up? Are you syncing with your work email or a webmail account?
The home screen "apps" are not apps, they're widgets, and function like every other widget I've ever seen, they just give info and limited functions. You wanted to send email FROM a widget?!
"sms messaging doesn't tell you how many letters you have left"
Mostly because text limits have all but disappeared. Does your provider still cap you? You should get a new provider.
Your device is still new...you need a few charging cycles to get the battery at full potential.
The other issues are pretty spot on...the keyboard I'm used to now though. Trust the predictive text.
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- can't call contact directly from email
- no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call.
- sms messaging doesn't tell you how many letters you have left
- no messaging in facebook
- headphone volume quiet (and that's with in ear headphones where on my HD I had the volume set to 1!)
- battery life atrocious in comparison. charged my phone last night and had a full charge before going to bed and when I woke up it was at 30%. no wifi or bluetooth on.
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1. I have never seen that feature before. Would definitely be handy.
2. That annoys me too, but I guess it's just a matter of getting used to it.
3. Use a replacement SMS app. Handcent is my favorite.
4. Blame Facebook for that. They won't allow it, even in their official app which is stupid.
5. Strange, I have the impression that the headphone volume is quite loud.
6. You might have an application running in the background which is draining the battery and keeping the phone awake. See related threads in this forum for more info.
keyboard - Like all keyboards, it takes time to get used to. Trust the autocomplete feature and you'll be surprised. Best soft keyboard I've ever used.
Yes, you can call directly from email. Just tap the sender and their contact card will open which includes the option to call them.
No hardware call buttons - It's an inconvenience but you knew they weren't there before you bought it.
Exchange sync issue - Maybe something with your settings? I have it synced with Google's Exchange server with no problems.
Widgets - Yes, I share your opinion on many of the widgets. You might as well just launch the main application. They are pretty to look at though...
SMS - Perhaps download a 3rd party SMS application?
Facebook - no comment. I don't use it.
Headphone volume - I read here that some carriers limit the max volume on their devices. Perhaps they did that to yours? My device's max volume is pretty deafening.
Battery life - If you read reviews, you'll know that battery life is not impressive. But do give it several charge cycles and sync your data as conservatively as possible. You might find the battery life to be acceptable.
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Take it back then. And my sms shows how many letter i have left.
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OUCH! Headshot! Be gentle it;s a new device ...
... Ok moving on ...
Actually don't worry been beaten ...
Like I said, the keyboard issue is just that you will need time to get used to it.
If you have a contact saved with a number and email and they send you mail, you will see their picture in the corner...tap it. You will get a speech bubble type box pop up that has the option to phone them, send them a message (text or email) or go to their contact card. Make sure you've merged your contacts. It won't work if you have a separate contact card for their phone details and then another for their email.
Again...is SMS length an issue still for people? I've not thought about those arbitrary 140 character limits since my first Motorola Wings flip phone.
Compared to my HD2 the Desire's keyboard is a DREAM to use - HD2 was skitty as hell and all over the shop. Desire's never misses a key and can type a LOT quicker on it personally...
Never bothered to know number of characters left in an SMS, doesn't bother me
Battery life, with all sync options on default, is about 48hrs give or take an hour...
Double sync IS annoying but I don't sync with Google anymore so got rid of that...
Facebook app, don't care about messaging as my phone is to keep up-to-date, PC is to contact...
Not bothered about hardware key for end call, call ends when you press the BIG red button at the end of a call (don't need to unlock or anything first)
Headphones - don't use them as phone isn't a music player to me, it's a phone
1. Get used to it, you will be fine. I moved from HTC Kaiser with hardware keyboard and I found the HTC Desire virtual keyboard is very good and responsive.
2. No idea, but as several posts above, you actually can do it.
3. You should know this already before purchase.
4. No idea
5. Widget is nice, this is unique to Android. You dont have to use it if you dont like. Then put app shortcut in the home screen, typical winmo thingy.
6. Use other messaging client like Hancent
7. Blame Facebook Or use Nimbuzz / Fring!
8. Check your settings, my battery life is amazing, on moderate usage it could last more than 48 hours (this include several hours (2-3) a day browsing on WiFi and gaming).
Maxwell Smart said:
I've just upgraded to a Desire coming from a Touch HD (Dutty Holy Grail) and have to say that first impressions are not great. Seriously thinking about returning it but interested to hear other people's experience.
So far moaning about the following problems - well more inconveniences:
- keyboard too jumpy
- can't call contact directly from email
- no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call.
- double syncs everything (on exchange server) so that appointment entries appear twice in calendar
- the home screen apps are kind of useless as you basically need to launch the full app to be able to do anything (ie email or sms)
- sms messaging doesn't tell you how many letters you have left
- no messaging in facebook
- headphone volume quiet (and that's with in ear headphones where on my HD I had the volume set to 1!)
- battery life atrocious in comparison. charged my phone last night and had a full charge before going to bed and when I woke up it was at 30%. no wifi or bluetooth on.
Will persevere another few days to make sure that I'm not just a grumpy old fart who hates change....
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RE: battery life
I charged mine to 100% last night, took it off charge at 1am, woke up at 8:20 am, checked my phone....98% !!
i use Juice Defender (one of my settings is to disable Apn/Wifi from midnight till 8am, works well
Thanks for the comments. Proves I'm a grumpy old fart! lol
Some good replies which I will investigate further.
Aitese - your comment about the screen going black and then turning back on when you remove it from your ear... is there a light sensor setting? as mine stays black until i tap power button unless i am talking to an actual person (rather than machine) and they hang up first.
Syncing is being done with a Microsoft Exchange Server 2003. But I think I may have just solved issue as it appears to sync both with my laptop and the server without realising they are showing the same appointments. Just too used to MS ActiveSync which works it out.
The keyboard is still bugging me - have tried to train it using the calibrate option but still seems off. That is the top row of keys that I push match up but when i go to the second last row it always hits the last row which being space and punctuation tends to terminate the word.
Anyhow will persevere. Appreciate everyone indulging a grumpy old codger...
great tip thanks - will look for that app.
Maxwell Smart said:
Aitese - your comment about the screen going black and then turning back on when you remove it from your ear... is there a light sensor setting? as mine stays black until i tap power button unless i am talking to an actual person (rather than machine) and they hang up first.
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If you hold the phone under a bright light you'll see the sensors in the top left corner of the black bezel. To test it, make a call and then move your thumb over the top left corner and then away again...the screen should turn off when your thumb gets near and turn back on shortly after you move away. Call your voicemail box or customer service
For sms use handcent its brill and it gives you letter count.For facebook i use babbler as it gives you notification for inbox.
Maxwell Smart said:
The keyboard is still bugging me - have tried to train it using the calibrate option but still seems off. That is the top row of keys that I push match up but when i go to the second last row it always hits the last row which being space and punctuation tends to terminate the word.
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BetterKeyboard plus the accompanying DarkGray theme is by far the best Android keyboard out there. HTC_IME (i.e. the HTC keyboard you're hating on) seems to be well thought of in the community but I personally hate it and think BetterKeyboard wipes the floor with it.
A few thoughts
- I just want to add a few thing giving that I also came from an HD. Compared to the HD which only had a light sensor, the Desire also comes with a proximity sensor that monitors if you have your ear close to the phone regardless of light (on the HD the screen only turned off if it was day and it could actually sense a difference in light).
If you make a call and put your phone to your ear it turns the screen off WITHOUT locking it, and when you want to terminate a call by taking it from your ear it will turn on again but not locked.
The phone locks itself only it you don't activate the proximity sensor (like when you are using a bluetooth headset and you don't take to phone to your ear). When that happenes the screen turns off after 15 seconds and yes, if you turn it on then it will be locked.
- Why do you want a hardware button for call and end? The capacitive screen with the combination of the proximity sensor makes them useless?
-Another thing i can chip in is related to the sms thing. The default SMS app shows you the number of characters left and the number of messages already typed when you are nearing the end of a message.
It shows that above the send button. If you have less the 10 characters available in that message it'll show 10/1 above the send button, and it will decrease and then turn into 145/2 saying that you have 145 characters left untill reaching 2 messages. After that it'll stay on and counting without dissapearing, until you send the message.
I find this to be a goog feature because it only warns me if i exceed one SMS.
I have used it for 2 days, and I am out of space installing apps on the HTC desire. WTF.. it can't use the 16 gig memory card to install apps and games?
There is no way I'm going to Win MO again.. but seriously.. WTF.
Maxwell Smart said:
- can't call contact directly from email
no issue here
- no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call.
as soon as you remove handset from ear it unlocks itself and turns on monitor. whats the prob here?
- double syncs everything (on exchange server) so that appointment entries appear twice in calendar
nope, no prob here
- the home screen apps are kind of useless as you basically need to launch the full app to be able to do anything (ie email or sms)
disable them if you dont like them. i find them handy
- battery life atrocious in comparison. charged my phone last night and had a full charge before going to bed and when I woke up it was at 30%. no wifi or bluetooth on.
read forum - thats you device not the desire in general
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see comments above.
none of these probs appear to be desire probs but rather strange layer 8 probs
Yeah the keyboard issue is due to the resistive v capacitive screens. The resistive screens need a good push, the capacitive ones need a slight touch. You get used to it.
for facebook, a new version is downloadable which give access to your INBOX.. which is what i assume was meant?
Hi, well that's my question.
Is there an option to zoom while recording?. When you put the phone on photo mode you can use Volume key (+ -) but when you change to camcorder mode it does nothing.
So...Zoom on camcorder, where is it?.
I'd appreciate some answers about it.
most devices aren't able to zoom during video..
its the same with my "pro" camera .. (not a phone - a real camera)
don't think that defy is able to do so. (just guessing)
best regards,
mike
In my current phone, I can't set the zoom level whist recording, either. However, I can adjust it prior to pressing the record button, so that the whole clip is recorded with the newly defined zoom level. Check whether such a behavior applies to your case too. It's not the ideal situation, of course, but still...
Just my 2 cents...
Regards,
Carlos
Mi old Nokia 5320 and my older Motorola RokrE2 could do it.
It's a shame Alarms don't work with the phone turned off and now this.
Looking for help to gain root access to the wifi remote for customization purposes.
The GoPro hero 3 has a wifi remote that I had assumed would mirror every function on the camera.... after all it has the same screen and same buttons.
Not so unfortunately... I think they missed one that makes no sense to not have working.
The camera will allow simultaneous video and photo in one of 4 nominated res.... in fact at 1080 30fps wide it'll snap 4k pix while yr recording the video.
You can set it to do so at 5 second intervals (shortest)... but also even without the auto setting you can press the 'mode' button and take a photo whenever you choose.
Problem is pressing the mode button on the remote to perform this function doesn't work.... so I need someone clever to program the correct command line into the remote software.
To me... and maybe others.... this function is pointless unless you can operate from the remote.... after all this is an action sports camera that we wear or mount in unusual positions.... it's not a camera for holding and pressing buttons.
Hope someone can assist please
Nick
No one is bothered that video stats recording immediately as soon as you switch to video mode in the camera app?
Sometimes I like to load up video mode, set the zoom and wait for whatever is going on in front of me to start before I start recording.
Can't do that with this phone. As soon as I click video it starts recording. I can hit pause, set the zoom and wait, but I still have a couple of second of unwanted video at the start.
Am I missing something? Why in the world would they have designed it this way?
I think of it as always being in both camera and camcorder standby. They basically removed an unnecessary step so you can grab the action faster. You can zoom prior to hitting the video (record) button.
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I think of it as always being in both camera and camcorder standby. They basically removed an unnecessary step so you can grab the action faster. You can zoom prior to hitting the video (record) button.
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I see,I guess just think of the video button as the record button. I didn't know zoom would hold when doing that, but it does. That should be fine then.
Flash also seems to come on in video mode if it's set to auto and not enough light. Not sure you ever want flash on with video though?