Is it possible to run any of these systems on our phone?
especialy WP7 / WM 6.5
in theory: probably yes
but: neither is open source, thus it'll be rather difficult to port them to any device that they aren't ment for, plus, you'd need a license to run these operating systems on your phone and you probably won't get one
alltogether: no, I am not aware of it being possible to run any of these operating systems on an Desire HD
llama-power said:
in theory: probably yes
but: neither is open source, thus it'll be rather difficult to port them to any device that they aren't ment for, plus, you'd need a license to run these operating systems on your phone and you probably won't get one
alltogether: no, I am not aware of it being possible to run any of these operating systems on an Desire HD
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agreed with you.
but you can flash linux ubuntu on dhd as it's free.
and honeycomb too (but still in devolepment) ported in dhd.
It is impossible so far I think.
Theirs a Windows Phone 7 launcher in the android market, You can check that out if you like it. Havent tried it myself yet.
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Hi all,
I ask this question cuz I counldn't find enough information about How to install Linux on my PPC.
My ppc is: I-teq X-bond like as Gigabyte gsmart i. with 64MB ROM.
Is there any linux ROM distribution for my ppc? or general linux ROM distribution for PPCs?
Thanks in advance.
Pedram
The reason you could not find information is because there isn't much of it to be found.
Unfortunately, Linux for PPC is in its infancy. The main problem is the drivers - they all need to be reverse engineered and there is no help from the OEMs as they designed this things to only work with MS crap and seem to have no interest in releasing drivers or specifications.
Official reason: Because you can not mess with the OS the device is more stable and secure.
Real reason: If you need to by new phone to get new OS we make more $$$ and so does MS.
As far as I heard there is a half decent version for some iPaq model, and there is version for some HTC devices (check WiKi) but all it does is boot up: no drivers even for touch screen, no graphical interface, no apps.
Thnx levelnum.
I think if linux developers I mean open source world focus on handheld devices they can publish good distribution as desktop or laptop PCs. Today they are very powerful in reverse engineering, .NET Framework in Linux named MONO is one of these reverse engineering issues.
I believe that Linux is much more customizable that WM, especially for XDA-developers that make interesting works on WM. And also it doesn't have copyright restriction as WM has. So may be it makes many progress in world of handheld devices.
Oddly enough I was looking for Linux on Smartphone info yesterday as I've got an Alpine I'd like to be able to do something interesting with.
Demand for something like this is going to be a bit odd - by definition anyone who finds this site, let alone opens an account and posts, is going to be interested in pushing the boundaries of their device but the vast majority of WM device users are going to be in the "don't care how it works as long as it does" group.
Also, I reckon a lot of Linux dev types aren't even going to look at the device, it will never occur to them to buy one because it's sold as a Windows Mobile device, and hence isn't going to be near their installation of the hacker mentality. Without a critical mass of people who can develop in/with Linux it's always going to be a struggle.
problem is the program base
all current wm programs unless they are .net
would not run under linux on our pda's
new ones would be required to be written
or ported or....
The Nokia Internet Tablet runs on a version of Linux with a pretty robust set of applications, and this device uses an ARM processor which should be pretty friendly with regard to 'porting'.
But you'd still be stuck without a telephone application.
You can find some information here:
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET
http://www.handhelds.org/
Oddly enough I was looking for Linux on Smartphone info yesterday as I've got an Alpine I'd like to be able to do something interesting with.
Demand for something like this is going to be a bit odd - by definition anyone who finds this site, let alone opens an account and posts, is going to be interested in pushing the boundaries of their device but the vast majority of WM device users are going to be in the "don't care how it works as long as it does" group.
Also, I reckon a lot of Linux dev types aren't even going to look at the device, it will never occur to them to buy one because it's sold as a Windows Mobile device, and hence isn't going to be near their installation of the hacker mentality. Without a critical mass of people who can develop in/with Linux it's always going to be a struggle.
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May be! as you said it is Windows mobile device and linux lovers aren't going around of it. but I think they are so curious than it.
problem is the program base
all current wm programs unless they are .net
would not run under linux on our pda's
new ones would be required to be written
or ported or....
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I do think so. since I in previous post I mentioned that .NET framework available in linux. so many of windows program can run on it.
You can find some information here:
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET
http://www.handhelds.org/
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Hart (Reverse engineering tool for wm hardware) was interesting tool.
yeah but due to limitations and slowness only the minority of applications on windows mobile are made in .net :S
i want this one
http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html
Regards,
Jason
Rudegar said:
problem is the program base
all current wm programs unless they are .net
would not run under linux on our pda's
new ones would be required to be written
or ported or....
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This is not a real problem. If you want to use a particular program from WM that is a problem but why you would do that? There is very large program base for desktop Linux (many of them also exist for desktop Windows) which could be very easily ported to a handheld platform with ARM processor. If you ever looked up how many qualitative programs do exist for Japanese Linux handhelds...
Wexx said:
This is not a real problem. If you want to use a particular program from WM that is a problem but why you would do that? There is very large program base for desktop Linux (many of them also exist for desktop Windows) which could be very easily ported to a handheld platform with ARM processor. If you ever looked up how many qualitative programs do exist for Japanese Linux handhelds...
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Thats one of the things that is grate about open source software - you don't even have to depend on the original developer to find the time / will to port it. Anyone with the programing knowledge can.
I've just successfully upgraded my UK Orange SPV M700 to AX3L's WM6 ROM, and enjoying it. However, the relative ease of re-writing a ROM has led me to other questions of a more speculative nature.
I'd like forum members to know that I am not a genius in the mobile OS field, so apologies if my enquiry is 'common knowledge' so to speak, and that my question is purely speculative. I wouldn't be interested in carrying out the modifications to my own handset.
My question is this:
Given the relative ease of modifying and/or installing a new ROM on a Windows Mobile handset, would it be possible to install a non native OS onto a Windows Mobile handset. For instance, the UIQ version of Symbian, used on the P series handsets from SE, and perhaps installing Symbian Series 60 3rd Edition on non touchscreen handsets?
an os are binary files made for the cpu in the device
for an os to be able to boot
the bootloader have to be compatible with the format of the rom
and the rom have to be native binary cpu
and some drivers are required to be present for the device to boot at all
nobody i know off have 100% transfered a rom from one device to another
core kernel and driver related things have to be kept for the device to boot
upgrading a rom to another rom for the same htc device type is easy
upgrading a device to another and newer version of the os but keeping the core of the os and only add the shell and program changes is alot more work for the rom maker
To correct my previous post, Im not sure if using Windows Mobile device to run Symbian UIQ could be considered 'upgrade' more like 'sidestepping' ;-)
I understand the comments about specific programming for the device CPU. But couldn't a software workaround bypass this?
I think the same could be said for Mac and PC. In theory, you could use a G5 to run Windows (not Boot Camp). By just using the physical hardware of RAM, Hard drive and BIOS, (and of course, a CPU workaround, maybe not so much a problem with the newer Intel Macs) surely you could format the Mac structure enough to run Windows XP, and vice versa. And you could surely apply the same theory to a Pocket PC. IF you 'format' the system enough, so its basically just an empty shell, or a blank canvas if u will, you could use it for pretty much anything.
If an iPod can run a version of Linux and even Doom, then, if you so wished and had the inclination to do so, it could run the Creative Zen (or even Zune!) software.
All of these speculative suggestions are of course subject to the physical human interface. But then, the IT guy at work runs a Mac keyboard and mouse on a Dell PC at work..
ianrendall said:
To correct my previous post, Im not sure if using Windows Mobile device to run Symbian UIQ could be considered 'upgrade' more like 'sidestepping' ;-)
I understand the comments about specific programming for the device CPU. But couldn't a software workaround bypass this?
I think the same could be said for Mac and PC. In theory, you could use a G5 to run Windows (not Boot Camp). By just using the physical hardware of RAM, Hard drive and BIOS, (and of course, a CPU workaround, maybe not so much a problem with the newer Intel Macs) surely you could format the Mac structure enough to run Windows XP, and vice versa. And you could surely apply the same theory to a Pocket PC. IF you 'format' the system enough, so its basically just an empty shell, or a blank canvas if u will, you could use it for pretty much anything.
If an iPod can run a version of Linux and even Doom, then, if you so wished and had the inclination to do so, it could run the Creative Zen (or even Zune!) software.
All of these speculative suggestions are of course subject to the physical human interface. But then, the IT guy at work runs a Mac keyboard and mouse on a Dell PC at work..
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well, if you could compile the os for the type of chip in use, write all the drivers , you could in theory get it to work....
there was a project bsck in '05 to run win 95 and 98 on a ppc and they succeded in that
and then we ave linux releases for some ppcs
also got it from some macosX developers that the system being based
on a BSD kernel which was more mature on x86 then on motorola platform
the whole macosX was first developed on pc's but never released
what you ask could be don but it would most likely time more manhours then it would be worth
and could also result in a law suit from the symbian people
you're the only person i've seen to request this i've seen so far
maybe an emulator would be the way to handle it
I'm not actually interested in doing any of this, as you say, it would be pretty pointless and legally troublesome. Just interested in the science of it.
Dft released a working version of wp7 for the hd2, is there a chance that we will be able to use it on our desires eventually?
I saw the news from engadget
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/13/htc-hd2-gets-its-very-own-windows-phone-7-rom/
Probably not, seeing as that is a Windows phone (note thw 'Windows' button).
The Windows OS isn't Open Source, so it will not be possible to create a custom build for the desire. And even if it would be possible, we wouldn't have hardware drivers.
So i would simply say no.
Just a discussion came up and made me wonder if this is even possable. This is the place to ask, so here we go.
All WP7 models seem to run at 1ghz or higher, thinking the concept that WM 6.5 runs pretty well on hardware that runs at 400-528mhz range. Would it be possable to have a emulator that runs on the platform so you can run 6.1/6.5 on a WP7 phone ? This would allow you to be able to run some older apps with still having WP7.
I would not expect intense games (maybe a card game ok) to run at full speed or anything but, things like Remote desktop and other base apps might be ok with this.
This type of thing would run on any phone (with 1ghz+ hardware) just depending on if all the hardware is supported.
Or I guess there might be a way to "shut down" 7 and open 6.5 kind of how Android runs on the TP2.
The emulator idea came up because it might be able to run on any model with minor updates vs. a boot up just for one phone.
Just some ideas...even if it is possable.
Thanks for reading and dreaming (well I am still waiting for a Verizon WP7 phone)
No sorry, the emulator runs on the x86 architecture, not on ARM.
Dave
DaveShaw said:
No sorry, the emulator runs on the x86 architecture, not on ARM.
Dave
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Maybe I'm misreading the original question, but it sounds like he is asking if it were possible to have an app that would run old Windows Mobile apps, kind of like Classic on WebOS.
well at present we (3rd party) developers wouldn't be able to make something like this as all the APIs don't actually exist. someone with knowledge of the whole code base of windows phone 7 could probably do it but i doubt we'll see it happen. if there are programs you need on windows phone 7, it is definitely faster to just have it redone. it's really only the UI that needs redoing, if it was written in VB or C#, a lot of the code will still work.
I was wondering, tht when buying a new smartphone if I go with windows based OS on mobile, will I be able to run any software tht can run on windows based desktop computer? If not, such functionality is expected to come with forthcoming Windows 8 mobile?
PS: I wana run my live stock market terminal on mobile phone.
Since ver 7, the os is no longer called windows mobile; its now called windows phone. but to answer your question, no you can't run desktop applications on windows phone (or windows mobile for that matter) and this is unlikely to change.
That said I'm sure you can find another application to achieve whatever it is that you're after on the marketplace...
:-( my all needs are getting completed with an smartphone, but i guess eventually i will have to buy a laptop as well... just to run my stockmarket software.... Damn and they are telling smartphones (Like SGS2 etc.) are quickly replacing laptops...
PS: Wht is the latest ver. of windows phone called and, what is the windows phone marketplace url (Kind of new to smartphones)
Well for a lot of people smartphones or tablets can replace computers, most people aren't stockbrokers!
The latest version of Windows Phone is 7.5 Mango, which is currently at RTM stage - i.e. released to OEMs pending approval for new devices and upgrades to existing devices.
The Windows Phone Marketplace can only be accessed via the phone or via the Zune desktop software. The Zune software comes highly recommended from me, it's a very, very good media management software and I can't live without the wireless sync function anymore!
You can browse the marketplace through Zune without owning a Windows Phone device.
Perhaps you could let the community know what it is exactly that you need to do and someone might be able to suggest something?
EDIT: As you're new to smartphones, from a usability perspective Windows Phone 7 would be an excellent choice for you - it is simply brilliant to use, the interface is understated and elegant and the lack of pointless graphics makes it both simple and quick. Microsoft have clearly put massive effort into making Windows Phone highly usable and have surpassed pretty much all expectations, especially with the 7.5 update, which brings in a huge amount of functionality. A lot of people try and put Windows Phone down having never used it, because it's one of those things that needs you to spend 10 minutes with it to understand - but once you've spent 9 minutes with it, everything else just seems ridiculously complicated.
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:-( my all needs are getting completed with an smartphone, but i guess eventually i will have to buy a laptop as well... just to run my stockmarket software.... Damn and they are telling smartphones (Like SGS2 etc.) are quickly replacing laptops...
PS: Wht is the latest ver. of windows phone called and, what is the windows phone marketplace url (Kind of new to smartphones)
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Silverlight in Windows
Hi
Silverlight apps are currently available in Windows and I think that the concept being put out there at the moment is that Windows 8 will run the same apps as Windows Mobile 8.
Nobody knows if this will become a reality or not.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
olivespin said:
I was wondering, tht when buying a new smartphone if I go with windows based OS on mobile, will I be able to run any software tht can run on windows based desktop computer? If not, such functionality is expected to come with forthcoming Windows 8 mobile?
PS: I wana run my live stock market terminal on mobile phone.
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The best thing for you to do would be to find a mobile version of the software you are trying to run. Then get the device that runs that particular software.
The closest you'll come to running your "exact" software on a mobile device is to get a Windows based tablet or laptop. But to run your stock software on a smartphone, you will need the "mobile" version of that software, if it exists.
Also, check to see if your stock-terminal application is web-based. If it is, you may be able to access what you need with ANY smartphone through the smartphone's web browser. That means your "stock terminal" would work on Windows Phone, iPhone, Android, etc.