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WP7 and "The Cloud"

Can anyone with an actual WP7 device confirm what kind of access they have to Skydrive? Some people are under the impression that you can stream your music and video files from there thereby explaining why some OEM's have only installed 8GB of storage on their devices.

Also, has anybody seen any 3rd party app that have access to files on a users Sky drive?

efjay said:
Can anyone with an actual WP7 device confirm what kind of access they have to Skydrive? Some people are under the impression that you can stream your music and video files from there thereby explaining why some OEM's have only installed 8GB of storage on their devices.
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That is a fckin retarded explaination so I don't think so.
Streaming your music and other media from the Cloud simply doesn't work. We need 100% guaranteed and fast data connections at all times, something that doesn't exist for now.

To be fair even 8GB is quite a lot for some users like me
I think they should allow bigger sized phones or an SD card expansion slot for those users who do love putting lots of music / big apps / films on their phones.

I don't have a device but I'm 99% sure you can't stream music from Skydrive. I don't think they even let you put music there. But if you have a Zune pass, you can stream music from there.
Why have many OEMs been installing 8gb in so many devices? Because they're dumb and cheap.

Zune
Well skydrive is for docs and pictures.
Zune and later spotify is for music streaming.
When i first got my samsung omnia 7 i thought that 8gb was waaaay to small but i havnt filled it more then 30% yet

psynaut said:
Well skydrive is for docs and pictures.
Zune and later spotify is for music streaming.
When i first got my samsung omnia 7 i thought that 8gb was waaaay to small but i havnt filled it more then 30% yet
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30% in what, a week or two, at most? If that isnt proof that 8GB is far from enough I dont know what is.

Good news... there are rumours of further integrated SkyDrive support http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archive...ight_bring_turn-by-turn_gps_and_skydrive.html
Whether this means 3rd party apps will be able to access it though is another question.

A lot of manufacturers have been putting 8GB in phones because that is the minimum spec. Some have 16GB, and some (e.g. Samsung Focus & Dell Venue Pro) have an SD card slot as well so you can add 32GB on an SD card.
So if you want lots of storage, so for a phone with the slot. HTC phones don't have a slot.
Incidentally, Skydrive is really just online storage for synching files with your laptops, desktops and phones, using MESH. It exists so a synched copy of your file exists online AS WELL AS on your devices, should you require it. My understanding is that full support for synching with Skydrive via MESH is not currently in WP7 but is coming soon. However I understand you can copy Office / OneNote files to your Skydrive already.

Jim Coleman said:
Incidentally, Skydrive is really just online storage for synching files with your laptops, desktops and phones, using MESH. It exists so a synched copy of your file exists online AS WELL AS on your devices, should you require it. My understanding is that full support for synching with Skydrive via MESH is not currently in WP7 but is coming soon. However I understand you can copy Office / OneNote files to your Skydrive already.
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No. its more than that. It's 25 gb of storage and its not just for mesh. Please do some research.
Its google docs, picasa web, and more on overdrive.
Dont expect syncing with mesh for phone. Mesh can hold up to 5gb which would cap most people's data in a day. Its a pc took. You can still access skydrive from any mobile browser anyways... But it has wp7 integration...
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N8ter said:
No. its more than that. It's 25 gb of storage and its not just for mesh. Please do some research.
Its google docs, picasa web, and more on overdrive.
Dont expect syncing with mesh for phone. Mesh can hold up to 5gb which would cap most people's data in a day. Its a pc took. You can still access skydrive from any mobile browser anyways... But it has wp7 integration...
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OK it's not *just* for MESH but that is the best way of using it because then the Skydrive copy of your files gets synched to all your devices. Mesh now uses (with the new 2011 release) all the 25GB of Skydrive if you want it to. Mesh supports PCs but you'll notice you can also add Mobile Phones to your device list.
It is Microsoft's intention to add WP7 support so that files can synch across your so-called "three screens plus the cloud" (i.e. laptop, desktop, phone and cloud).

Is there an app to access Skydrive on a WP7 device or is only web browser access currently?

at present only via the web, however i've heard that MS might be improving office a bit more to support skydrive a lot more.

So if you want lots of storage, so for a phone with the slot. HTC phones don't have a slot.
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Not true. At least some of them have SD slots which are accessible by opening the phone. I got a htc mozart with no warranty on ebay. Opened it, replaced 8GB storage card with 32GB. However, doing so will void your warranty.
I don't know why HTC actually implements an SD Slot without making it 'usable'.

Well, I can access SkyDrive from my phone (HTC HD7).
But i've not been able to download any of the documents onto my phone, so I can use them in MS Office.
Like other day, my mate wanted Poker rules for a party, copy and pasted them into a a Doc, put it on skydrive and went to the party, got skydrive up, looked for the document, opened it, was able to view/read it. But not able able to download onto my phone to edit it or save it or highlight key parts etc.
Unless i'm missing something, then my apologies.

Tomo211 said:
Well, I can access SkyDrive from my phone (HTC HD7).
But i've not been able to download any of the documents onto my phone, so I can use them in MS Office.
Like other day, my mate wanted Poker rules for a party, copy and pasted them into a a Doc, put it on skydrive and went to the party, got skydrive up, looked for the document, opened it, was able to view/read it. But not able able to download onto my phone to edit it or save it or highlight key parts etc.
Unless i'm missing something, then my apologies.
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This is my first post on this forum! I own a HTC HD7 since Nov 8th and seriously love it
You can download files from skydrive on the windows phone 7. Just make sure you visit the desktop version of Skydrive not the mobile. So in Internet Explorer on the wp7 go to settings make sure desktop mode is checked. Go to your skydrive location and select the file. tap lightly so youget the option to download file. I think its hidden under "more". Once you tap download, it goes directly to the office hub!
Any changes you make may need to be emailed to yourself to be sent back to skydrive again as there is currently no sync other than onenote.
Hope this helps

[Q] MIME types and Iso storage

Hi,
I remember from owning an IPhone having to synchronise my ewallet (a password manager) files over the air from the desktop whilst the app was running on the phone. (I'll admit it was a minor annoyance).
Having moved to android and using a combination of dropbox and keepass, I don't really think about anymore - I just open dropbox and click the file and keepass opens up.
But, what about WP7? I realise that apps are only permitted to use their own storage. If I were to build a say, a keepass app for WP7, would I be back to building some desktop client software that allow syncing over the air whilst the app was running (like IPhone/ewallet), or hooking into any number of online sync services like Dropbox, Box.net, Pogoplug, etc, just to get the file some place the app can reach it.
I'm having trouble thinking of any other option given the lack of any common storage.
Thanks

If you did develop Keepass for WP7, you'd have your first customer here!
I'm actually tempted to try and port it myself, and I've come to the same conclusion as you regarding storage. The local KDB file would need to held in private storage and synchronised to an off-device copy, be that a desktop app or something like drop box.

A keepass app is one of the things I was considering. Not so sure about it now.
I'll have a look round for an elegant solution.

Well, isn't Skydrive the same as Dropbox? As I understood WP7 uses Skydrive to store your files 'in the cloud'; so why not put your Keepass file there?

Seven_PRX said:
Well, isn't Skydrive the same as Dropbox? As I understood WP7 uses Skydrive to store your files 'in the cloud'; so why not put your Keepass file there?
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I'd not considered skydrive/mesh. I'll 'ave a look.
Thanks for the heads-up.

I'm thinking of writing a desktop synching app myself. That way any WP7 app could connect to it to import files from a PC.
I've thought about using skydrive myself, but it doesn't seem to offer a way to download the file directly.

Epub reader

Hey,
Is there an epub reader for free?
I have emailed an epub file to myself, and I also have a direct link (through FileDen.com).
I also downloaded the epub file of my comûter using HomePipe.
Is there an app that can open the epub file?

freda is a free ereader:
http://www.turnipsoft.co.uk/jim/freda/index.htm

I have it, but it can't open links.
It has presets of Project Gutenberg etc.
I don't think there's a way to enter your own URL

badboy70 said:
I have it, but it can't open links.
It has presets of Project Gutenberg etc.
I don't think there's a way to enter your own URL
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Instructions here: http://www.turnip.demon.co.uk/jim/freda/calibre-how-to.htm

yeah, unfortunately you have to set up a calibre acct.

nrfitchett4 said:
yeah, unfortunately you have to set up a calibre acct.
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This will be improved in the next release (a week or two, if I can deal with some performance issues) - there will be a general purpose "download from any website" feature, so you won't have to put your books into an OPDS catalog before you can get them onto your phone.
You will have to publish them onto a web site though. But that could be something you do only temporarily, while transferring them onto the phone. And of course you can do it just within your own home network, and using a simple web server installed on your PC to do it. When I publish the Freda update, I will also publish a link to a suitable web server program.

I seriously hope this feature is there soon.
Because I really need that ereader for school.
On 17/12 I have a dutch exam and I need to be able to read my book on my phone because the original copy is rented by someone else.
So I have the epub file of it but no ereader.

I was browsing the marketplace recently and there's a reader for epub/html/plaintext that syncs files with Dropbox. Don't remember what it was called though.

Thats ezReader, but it isn't free

Jim Chapman said:
When I publish the Freda update, I will also publish a link to a suitable web server program.
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There's Skydrive and Dropbox that have web interfaces.

vangrieg said:
There's Skydrive and Dropbox that have web interfaces.
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Yes, if you want to put your books on SkyDrive or DropBox, the forthcoming new release of Freda will be able to download them from the web interface (but only if you put them in the 'public' area, because Windows Phone 7 has some hard-to-fix issues around website authentication, passwords, cookies, etc.).
The Freda version that's on Marketplace at the moment is only able to get your books from Skydrive or DropBox if you construct an OPDS catalog containing links to the books (for DropBox, you can use the calibre2opds program to do that).
The 'web server' solution I mention would be for the case where you have your books stored on your PC and don't want to upload them onto a 'cloud' solution on the internet. In that case, you'd want to run a webserver program on your PC, which would allow Freda to see the books on your PC's disk, via your local WiFi network. Actually, if you're prepared to run Calibre (and the Calibre content server) on your PC, that solution already works just fine. So the 'web server' approach is only for people who, for whatever reason, do not want to run Calibre on their PC.

nrfitchett4 said:
yeah, unfortunately you have to set up a calibre acct.
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You don't need an account to run Calibre. You just have to download and install the program.

I can't open a .epub which contains pictures. My epub file amounts to 88mb I tried to open it in my pc and it works. I had it downloaded to my freda (free edition) after I uploaded the ebook on a hosting server.
Is there another ebook reader that can read large file? Thanks!

I use Freda and Skydrive and it works great; it's slow at first but after it syncs it works okay. You have to tell skydrive to make it public or it will not show up.

MrLeche said:
I can't open a .epub which contains pictures. My epub file amounts to 88mb I tried to open it in my pc and it works. I had it downloaded to my freda (free edition) after I uploaded the ebook on a hosting server.
Is there another ebook reader that can read large file? Thanks!
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88mb is going to be a bit of a stretch for any program on Windows Phone 7, since:
The file is compressed; uncompressed it will be larger
Programs on WP7 are prevented from using more than 100MB of memory
Freda doesn't actually need to hold all the images in memory at once, so that isn't a hard limit ... but it does suggest that memory usage might be the problem.
If you'd like to send me a link to the book (to [email protected]) I can run some tests and see if I can come up with any suggestions.

I am aware it's an old thread, but I am reviving it to let everyone know there is a way to get your books onto your WP7.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1491879

SkyDrive WP7 Tip

Hey
I was trying to find a way to store some photos on skydrive that i didant want showing up on my phone (photos of my gf ) I could not seem to find an option within WP7 or on the skydrive site regarding permissions but i came up with a little trick. If you create a new folder on skydrive and place a picture in it, it automatically becomes a picture folder and is synced with WP7 with is rather annoying.
To get around this place the picture in the folder and then create a random word document in the same folder, click on the folder then click on information on the right hand drive of skydrive and change it to documents. Your folder will no longer appear in the pictures hub and you can still access from Office skydrive hub which will simply link you to the skydrive webpage. Hope some of you find this helpful.

Where is the link to the SkyDrive folder ?

Skydrive is not convenient at all.
When will there be a Skydrive app on WP7 ??? I wonder.
For the moment I'm staying with Dropbox + Kickbox
Anyway, thanks for this tip

SkyDrive is handled on WP7 via the Office Hub. Open that, and go to "Locations" and SkyDrive should be there (if you set up a Live account, of course). If not, you may need to add the URL to it. But it'll work. You can also pin it to your Start if you wish, for quicker access.
Brad.

leftspeaker2000 said:
Hey
I was trying to find a way to store some photos on skydrive that i didant want showing up on my phone (photos of my gf ) I could not seem to find an option within WP7 or on the skydrive site regarding permissions but i came up with a little trick. If you create a new folder on skydrive and place a picture in it, it automatically becomes a picture folder and is synced with WP7 with is rather annoying.
To get around this place the picture in the folder and then create a random word document in the same folder, click on the folder then click on information on the right hand drive of skydrive and change it to documents. Your folder will no longer appear in the pictures hub and you can still access from Office skydrive hub which will simply link you to the skydrive webpage. Hope some of you find this helpful.
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Aren't all pictures and documents you upload from your phone publicly viewable by default? Or does adding a document somehow make it available to you only?
Seems there's no way to change permissions via the WP7 Office hub.

I think wp7 ask u about your privacy choice when uploading to skydrive, can choose between anyone and only you...can also give permission to one contact especially...that's realy confortable.
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We need an Undelete feature in Skydrive

Really don't know what happened but I deleted an important and un-backed up folder containing important lab files from my Skydrive yesterday.....I nearly went mad. It brought me to the idea of an undelete feature in skydrive which I think can help most of us in this situation since once it's deleted, there's no way of getting it back. I even learnt Dropbox has an undelete feature so why can't MS incoporate it in Skydrive? Is it not possible?
Really don't know what to do now

I'm not sure exactly what process you're using, so I'll explain how I tested.
I'm using the updated SkyDrive app and the SkyDrive PC app as well. So, I have a folder on my D:\ whose contents are synced to SkyDrive and accessible from my phone.
On my laptop, I made a notepad file called SkyDrive Undelete Test.txt
I saved it to my SkyDrive folder
Confirmed via the office app that it was there, but was not easily deletable
Used the SkyDrive app to find/view the file
Deleted by long pressing the file name and choosing delete and confirm
Upon returning to my laptop, the file had been moved to my Recycle Bin
So, the question is, did you delete from the app on your phone or from the web on your computer... AND... had you updated/upgraded your SkyDrive to get the PC synchronization feature? If you updated, it should have already downloaded all of your files from SkyDrive online to the same folder on your hard drive. Of course, if you deleted before this process, you may be screwed.

Kenzibit said:
Really don't know what to do now
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You could start by backing up important data.

anseio said:
I'm not sure exactly what process you're using, so I'll explain how I tested.
I'm using the updated SkyDrive app and the SkyDrive PC app as well. So, I have a folder on my D:\ whose contents are synced to SkyDrive and accessible from my phone.
On my laptop, I made a notepad file called SkyDrive Undelete Test.txt
I saved it to my SkyDrive folder
Confirmed via the office app that it was there, but was not easily deletable
Used the SkyDrive app to find/view the file
Deleted by long pressing the file name and choosing delete and confirm
Upon returning to my laptop, the file had been moved to my Recycle Bin
So, the question is, did you delete from the app on your phone or from the web on your computer... AND... had you updated/upgraded your SkyDrive to get the PC synchronization feature? If you updated, it should have already downloaded all of your files from SkyDrive online to the same folder on your hard drive. Of course, if you deleted before this process, you may be screwed.
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Wow, thanks for your detailed help. Actually deleted the app from my phone app and don't have the pc app yet so maybe I'm screwed.
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