i was trying to downgrade to 2.1. during the downrade in hboot it reset now the screen doesnt show up at all but it turns on i think (vibrates on powerpress) any help would be much appreciated
Pull ur battery. Don't plug in.see ifu can getin to hboot. Do u needa recovery img?
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ps3evader said:
i was trying to downgrade to 2.1. during the downrade in hboot it reset now the screen doesnt show up at all but it turns on i think (vibrates on powerpress) any help would be much appreciated
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If the phone is off, and you hold vol- & pwr, do you get into the bootloader?
If so download this file
http://www.fourty.net/~berzerker/stockstuff/PB31IMG_3.26.605.1_RUU.zip - 2.2
Rename it to PB31IMG.zip, put it on the root of the SD card, boot into the bootloader, let it run the update, and you will be back to a stock, unrooted 2.2. From there you can root again and do as you please.
And I see you said you were trying to downgrade to 2.1, why are you doing that? And if you want that instead of 2.2 here you go.
http://www.fourty.net/~berzerker/stockstuff/PB31IMG-77-1.00-2.1.zip - 2.1
thanks
hey guys thanks for the replys.
i downloaded the 2.2 file.
remember i cant see the screen because my stupidity i know that if i get it to install it will work.
so my question is what exactly do i press to get it to update in hboot?
hboot shows up on the comp to i know its there so what do i have to do to get it to update?
Power+volume down to getin hboot. To apply update in hboot press volume up
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g00s3y said:
If the phone is off, and you hold vol- & pwr, do you get into the bootloader?
If so download this file
http://www.fourty.net/~berzerker/stockstuff/PB31IMG_3.26.605.1_RUU.zip - 2.2
Rename it to PB31IMG.zip, put it on the root of the SD card, boot into the bootloader, let it run the update, and you will be back to a stock, unrooted 2.2. From there you can root again and do as you please.
And I see you said you were trying to downgrade to 2.1, why are you doing that? And if you want that instead of 2.2 here you go.
http://www.fourty.net/~berzerker/stockstuff/PB31IMG-77-1.00-2.1.zip - 2.1
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same problem. link is broken, any help?
eljean said:
same problem. link is broken, any help?
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Check your post in your thread... I replied to it...
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I was trying to update to the latest Myn Rom (RLS5) and I guess it went wrong because now when I boot up it loads up for a minute but then goes to black and then has 5 quick vibrations. then it just stays on black and blinks the green led. And that's it.
I can get to h-boot, but not recovery. I have:
S-On
Hboot: 0.93.0000
Radio 2.15.00.07.28
Since S-Off, it will need a signed PC36IMG.zip or something? I really don't know what to do here.
Thanks in advance for the help, you guys are great!
I would try flashing RA via bootloader as a PC36IMG.zip. If that doesnt work you could always run an RUU.
c-stam said:
I was trying to update to the latest Myn Rom (RLS5) and I guess it went wrong because now when I boot up it loads up for a minute but then goes to black and then has 5 quick vibrations. then it just stays on black and blinks the green led. And that's it.
I can get to h-boot, but not recovery. I have:
S-On
Hboot: 0.93.0000
Radio 2.15.00.07.28
Since S-Off, it will need a signed PC36IMG.zip or something? I really don't know what to do here.
Thanks in advance for the help, you guys are great!
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Does you have s-on or s-off? If S-ON then your nand is locked and you are not rooted
So I should be able to rename the De-odexed in this thread to PC36IMG.zip and go that route?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=874251
xHausx said:
Does you have s-on or s-off? If S-ON then your nand is locked and you are not rooted
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S-On. and I could have sworn that I had s-Off before the botched update. I have been using programs that require root such as wi-fi tether, root explorer, cpu tuner, etc.
dglowe343 said:
I would try flashing RA via bootloader as a PC36IMG.zip. If that doesnt work you could always run an RUU.
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I assume you mean RA the recovery. Which file should I use to download and change the name? I've only used .img files to flash it as an alternate recovery.
Thanks in advance.
c-stam said:
I assume you mean RA the recovery. Which file should I use to download and change the name? I've only used .img files to flash it as an alternate recovery.
Thanks in advance.
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Download the .zip file and just right click on it and select rename. Make sure its PC36IMG.zip exactly. Otherwise bootloader won't recognize it.
Sent from my HTC Supersonic
dglowe343 said:
Download the .zip file and just right click on it and select rename. Make sure its PC36IMG.zip exactly. Otherwise bootloader won't recognize it.
Sent from my HTC Supersonic
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I did that just now. downloaded the latest from the forum post in your signature, renamed it exactly, put it on the root, held power and volume down, it read the file and said "Checking File" for a couple seconds then just went back to the regular menu. never asked me "Yes" or "No".
c-stam said:
I did that just now. downloaded the latest from the forum post in your signature, renamed it exactly, put it on the root, held power and volume down, it read the file and said "Checking File" for a couple seconds then just went back to the regular menu. never asked me "Yes" or "No".
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Sounds like you lost root somehow. I just noticed in ur earlier post that you have s-on. You most likely have to root again.
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c-stam said:
S-On. and I could have sworn that I had s-Off before the botched update. I have been using programs that require root such as wi-fi tether, root explorer, cpu tuner, etc.
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If you have a custom recovery still flash unrevoked forever, that well unlock your nand. Once that is unlocked you should be ok to continue.
Dots that update the hboot as well? If so that is probably what did it, otherwise you may have had an incomplete unrevoked root.
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dglowe343 said:
Sounds like you lost root somehow. I just noticed in ur earlier post that you have s-on. You most likely have to root again.
Sent from my HTC Supersonic
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Is there a way to root without being able to get into the rom? I only have the hboot menu as an option of interacting with the system right now.
Still stuck here. I tried running Unrevoked3 again and there wasn't enough time for it to recognize the phone before it did the 5 vibrations and went to black and cut off the usb connection. I tried renaming the latest RUU from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=874091 to PC36IMG.zip and it did the same thing as before, the blue vertical progress bar reached the top, it said "Checking" and then after a minute or so it just went back to the regular first menu.
It sounds like the solution would be to get it rooted, but I need to find a way to do that without being into the rom or recovery.
You guys are a lot smarter then me when it comes to Android and fixing borked installs and updates. I know you guys can come up with a solution here, so thanks in advance.
c-stam said:
Still stuck here. I tried running Unrevoked3 again and there wasn't enough time for it to recognize the phone before it did the 5 vibrations and went to black and cut off the usb connection. I tried renaming the latest RUU from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=874091 to PC36IMG.zip and it did the same thing as before, the blue vertical progress bar reached the top, it said "Checking" and then after a minute or so it just went back to the regular first menu.
It sounds like the solution would be to get it rooted, but I need to find a way to do that without being into the rom or recovery.
You guys are a lot smarter then me when it comes to Android and fixing borked installs and updates. I know you guys can come up with a solution here, so thanks in advance.
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The link in my sig has 3.29.651 in RUU and PC36IMG.zip form, you can use one of those to get a working rom. Afterward you should be able to use the quick method to get rooted and flash a recovery again
c-stam said:
I did that just now. downloaded the latest from the forum post in your signature, renamed it exactly, put it on the root, held power and volume down, it read the file and said "Checking File" for a couple seconds then just went back to the regular menu. never asked me "Yes" or "No".
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When you renamed the file, did you actually add the ".zip" to the name? If so, the file is called PC36IMG.zip.zip and the bootloader won't see it. Just name it to PC36IMG and the .zip is added automatically.
rugedraw said:
When you renamed the file, did you actually add the ".zip" to the name? If so, the file is called PC36IMG.zip.zip and the bootloader won't see it. Just name it to PC36IMG and the .zip is added automatically.
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I have "hide files extensions for known files" turned off in my folder options
But good thought and thanks for the info.
xHausx said:
The link in my sig has 3.29.651 in RUU and PC36IMG.zip form, you can use one of those to get a working rom. Afterward you should be able to use the quick method to get rooted and flash a recovery again
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IT WORKED!!!
Wow, what a relief to see it get past checking the rom and asking me if I want to update. Thank you so much! time to unrevoke and then unrevoke forever, so I won't have so many issues if this happens again.
Thanks everyone for your help. You guys are the best.
I had this same problem and couldn't ever figure it out. It would power on and the go black and vibrate 5 times. I ended up clearing my phone and going to Sprint to have it replaced. Glad you got yours all figured out.
c-stam said:
IT WORKED!!!
Wow, what a relief to see it get past checking the rom and asking me if I want to update. Thank you so much! time to unrevoke and then unrevoke forever, so I won't have so many issues if this happens again.
Thanks everyone for your help. You guys are the best.
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So, I got the stock rom loaded, however I can't mount either of my microSd cards. and also when I try and install the OTA update from Sprint, it goes to black and does the 5 vibrations again. Also, unrevoked3 isn't working. Also, when I plug it into my computer it won't let me mount as a storage device.
Any ideas guys?
Thanks.
c-stam said:
So, I got the stock rom loaded, however I can't mount either of my microSd cards. and also when I try and install the OTA update from Sprint, it goes to black and does the 5 vibrations again. Also, unrevoked3 isn't working. Also, when I plug it into my computer it won't let me mount as a storage device.
Any ideas guys?
Thanks.
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Is there another RUU I could try or another way to root that would get me access to recovery? Really not sure what to do but I'd hate to take it to Sprint and have to get a new one for this.
Thanks.
Maybe a dumb question, but when I rooted my Evo back in April, I can't for the life of me remember what root method I used, thus making it difficult to know how to unroot, I think? I can't reference the files on my pc I used to do it cause that one died. How do I tell what unroot method I need to use? I am rooted running Fresh and am currently s-off.
Thanks!
The rooting only work for 2.2, as no root for 2.3, and unrooting, it works, but you need to be on the 2.15.00.11.19 radio.
Rooting
1. http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.p...driver_install ; Download the hboot drivers needed for rooting. The instructions are also there of how to install them, straight forward.
2. Download unrevoked3 > http://unrevoked.com/recovery/ ; It will show up as reflash_package on your desktop; leave it alone for now
3. On your phone from a home screen: menu > settings > applications > development and make sure usb debugging is checked; needed so that unrevoked can find the phone; never turn this off
4. http://www.htc.com/us/support/evo-sprint/downloads/ ; Download htc sync and install it. After that, uninstall the program from your computer ; you only need the drivers from it.
5. On your phone, connect the to the pc in CHARGE ONLY, do not mount as a disk, ect, has to be charge only
6. On the desktop, run unrevoked [reflash_package], accept the disclaimer, blah blah
7. Just sit your phone down and let it do its thing. It'll take about 5 minutes, and the phone will reboot twice. Once its done, it'll say done. You can open your app drawer and you'll see an app that says superuser, and then you're done.
IF unrevoked tells you 'is your firmware too new?' boot into the bootloader [while turning the phone on, hold vol+down till you see a white screen with androids skateboarding.] Use the volume keys to navigate after the scan completes to clear storage [a factory reset, data will be lost] and then use the power button to select it, then repeat step #6.
To tether, you can flash a custom rom of your choosing after you've browsed, and then use the built in hot spot, or download wireless tether from the market, more later after you root.
Unrooting
1. http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/forever ; Scroll down to the FAQs, then download the unrevoked s-on zip. This places the security back on your phone, because rooting makes it s-off, and if s-on, quickest way to tell your phone was rooted.
2. Flash that file from recovery, then boot back into the bootloader [vol+down while turning phone on] and verify until its s-on.
3. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19699565/3.70 RUU Zip.zip ; rename that file to PC36IMG, place on the root of your sdcard [not in a folder] then flash it in the bootloader. When the scan that normally does nothing, it'll detect that file. Apply the update then reboot. That's a stock 3.70 firmware file, it'll take you back to stock, unrooted, s-on.
Awesome! Thanks a million! About how long does it take to run through everything? My phone has been randomly shuttting off and I don't want to risk bricking it.
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App
legasus233 said:
Awesome! Thanks a million! About how long does it take to run through everything? My phone has been randomly shuttting off and I don't want to risk bricking it.
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App
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Not including the time to download the files, it takes probaly ~5 minutes to run through rooting and unrooting each.
legasus233 said:
Awesome! Thanks a million! About how long does it take to run through everything? My phone has been randomly shuttting off and I don't want to risk bricking it.
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App
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My old EVO did that. It's.due to heat. If you hold it in front of an air conditioner it won't reboot. Only fix is.to get a replacement
russell1337 said:
My old EVO did that. It's.due to heat. If you hold it in front of an air conditioner it won't reboot. Only fix is.to get a replacement
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all you really need to do is run unrevoked s-off then just do an OTA update and your done
Alright, I followed the unroot steps and successfully got it to turn s-on. I then placed the PC36IMG.zip file on the root of the sd card and it booted to the bootloader. It checked the file almost all the way but wouldn't let me update, saying " Main Version is older, Update Fail! What does this mean? Do I need a different stock image? Please help!!!! Thanks in advance for all your help!
legasus233 said:
Alright, I followed the unroot steps and successfully got it to turn s-on. I then placed the PC36IMG.zip file on the root of the sd card and it booted to the bootloader. It checked the file almost all the way but wouldn't let me update, saying " Main Version is older, Update Fail! What does this mean? Do I need a different stock image? Please help!!!! Thanks in advance for all your help!
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What's your bootloader version, because you'll have to use a different RUU file then.
I am currently running Fresh Rom which I believe is based on 3.70, my bootloader says 2.10.0001.
legasus233 said:
I am currently running Fresh Rom which I believe is based on 3.70, my bootloader says 2.10.0001.
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Awkward, should have worked, and what radio are you on?
2.15.00.11.19
legasus233 said:
2.15.00.11.19
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I would suggest to try it again, and if it still doesn't work keep working your way down as you just need to find the right one. Can't help right now as I have to step out for a few.
I will keep trying, thanks for any help you can give, I really do appreciate it!
So I have the Evo, I have had it rooted for a while now, and somehow I have updated my software to the 2.3.3, but my hboot is still 2.10.0001. i am rooted, but cannot get S-off and update the rest of the hardware. everytime I go to root i have an issue with my hardware being to updated or my hboot being to out of date... could someone help me out and give the a good direction on where to look for this info on how to fix this... anything would help... Thanks
You should try to bring everything up to date first, and then reroot.
You can download the latest update (PC36IMG) from:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38127313/PC36IMG.zip
Place it on the root of your SD card, then run and accept the update through your bootloader (power off, then volume down + power buttons at the same time).
If that works out, then you can find instructions on the latest root method (Revolutionary) at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1218141&highlight=revolutionary+root
purplebarbyman said:
So I have the Evo, I have had it rooted for a while now, and somehow I have updated my software to the 2.3.3, but my hboot is still 2.10.0001. i am rooted, but cannot get S-off and update the rest of the hardware. everytime I go to root i have an issue with my hardware being to updated or my hboot being to out of date... could someone help me out and give the a good direction on where to look for this info on how to fix this... anything would help... Thanks
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What root method were you trying? I agree I would probably run a 3.70 ruu or zip file and get it back to stock and then root with unrevoked
Ok I bought a evo off of ebay that has this problem. Can anyone help me out please? the phone didnt come with an sd card and its not rooted I dont think.
Here is the info on Hboot white screen. . .
SUPERSONIC EVT2-3 SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-0.97.0000
MICROP-041F
TOUCH-PANEL-ATMELC03_16ac
RADI0-2.15.00.09.01
Aug 19 2010,14:29:08
(also it wont go into recovery. it goes to the white screen and restarts that screen over and over)
Can someone please help me and advise me what to do? All the threads ive came across mentioned to do with rooting.
Thanks.
-AL
AL_CAPONE_X3 said:
Ok I bought a evo off of ebay that has this problem. Can anyone help me out please? the phone didnt come with an sd card and its not rooted I dont think.
Here is the info on Hboot white screen. . .
SUPERSONIC EVT2-3 SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-0.97.0000
MICROP-041F
TOUCH-PANEL-ATMELC03_16ac
RADI0-2.15.00.09.01
Aug 19 2010,14:29:08
(also it wont go into recovery. it goes to the white screen and restarts that screen over and over)
Can someone please help me and advise me what to do? All the threads ive came across mentioned to do with rooting.
Thanks.
-AL
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The first thing,you are not rooted,in hboot you will see S-Off if you are rooted,the other thing is,you need a SD card.When you get the SD card,insert it and follow these directions....
1: Download and install HTC drivers HTC drivers
2: Download the rooting tool/program revolutionary Revolutionary, downloads are at the bottom of the page. You will need to enter in your Evo's serial number (under the battery) and be sure to save the beta key. You'll need it later..(best thing to do is copy and paste the beta key into command box).
3: Enable USB debugging (settings>applications>development>turn on USB debugging) and connect the evo to your PC as charge only
4: Un-zip the S-OFF tool and run the program, making sure to install the custom recovery when prompted. (unless you already know what you're doing and want to put Amon_Ra or TWRP recovery on there)You will need a recovery,here is Amon RA Style
5: Download SuperUser and boot into recovery. To enter recovery: power off completely, yes battery pull while off too be sure, then hold volume down+power and from there go to recovery and confirm.
6: install superuser from recovery (you must put the Superuser zip on the SD card first, before booting into recovery. Or mount your SD card while in recovery to take it too your Evo. OR, download it too your phone before booting into recovery )
YOU ARE NOW ROOTED.
7: (optional but highly recommended) Make a nandroid backup via recovery and then put it on the PC just to be sure nothing will happen too it.
This is not my tool,i'm just posting this for you.You will need a rom to install,you can get them here .
He's on Hboot 097. He can root with unrEVOked, I'm pretty sure
Which is better revolutionary or unrevoked? Which is easier?
Also will this fix my issue. I dont care if im rooted or not. Sure it would be nice. But my main worry is fixing this issue first. Than rooting. But if I can "kill two birds with one stone" than even better.
AL_CAPONE_X3 said:
Which is better revolutionary or unrevoked? Which is easier?
Also will this fix my issue. I dont care if im rooted or not. Sure it would be nice. But my main worry is fixing this issue first. Than rooting. But if I can "kill two birds with one stone" than even better.
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Unrevolked,is good.Yes it will fix your issue,not guarenteed,but 95% sure.Theres a possibility your phone could be toast,but lets try the unrevoked root first...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=787304
Ok thanks I gotta try it. But how am I suppose to get into usb debugging if my phone doesnt even get that far on. Just stays stuck at that screen. Revolutionary seemed easy so I hope unrevoked is also or it dont matter which one I do.
AL_CAPONE_X3 said:
Ok thanks I gotta try it. But how am I suppose to get into usb debugging if my phone doesnt even get that far on. Just stays stuck at that screen. Revolutionary seemed easy so I hope unrevoked is also or it dont matter which one I do.
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Sorry i never used unrevoked,revolutionary worked great for me.
AL_CAPONE_X3 said:
Ok I bought a evo off of ebay that has this problem. Can anyone help me out please? the phone didnt come with an sd card and its not rooted I dont think.
Here is the info on Hboot white screen. . .
SUPERSONIC EVT2-3 SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-0.97.0000
MICROP-041F
TOUCH-PANEL-ATMELC03_16ac
RADI0-2.15.00.09.01
Aug 19 2010,14:29:08
(also it wont go into recovery. it goes to the white screen and restarts that screen over and over)
Can someone please help me and advise me what to do? All the threads ive came across mentioned to do with rooting.
Thanks.
-AL
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First off, you're going to need an SD card. Onto that SD Card, download this file: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9362091/PC3...15.00.11.19_NV_1.90_release_161482_signed.zip
Rename the file to just PC36IMG.zip, and put it on the root of the SD Card. Put the SD Card into the device, and boot into HBOOT. It should recognize the file, take a while to load it, and then ask if you want to update. Choose "yes" by pressing the Volume up button. This part will take a while - it'll reboot into bootloader once during the update process, so don't be alarmed by that, and by all means, don't touch it while it's updating. Once it's done, it'll ask you if you want to reboot. Choose yes, and then we'll see if it'll boot up. If it does, then you can proceed to root it using unrevoked3. If it doesn't, then you got a raw deal and you should get your money back (I hope you used PayPal!).
ok i did everything and everything said ok except "radio_v2 -fail-pu" and at the end it says partition update fail and ask if i wanna try again
AL_CAPONE_X3 said:
ok i did everything and everything said ok except "radio_v2 -fail-pu" and at the end it says partition update fail and ask if i wanna try again
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I wish i could help you out,i've never used unrevoked,so i could'nt tell ya.Hopefully throwback will help you with this.Good luck with the phone.
AL_CAPONE_X3 said:
ok i did everything and everything said ok except "radio_v2 -fail-pu" and at the end it says partition update fail and ask if i wanna try again
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Sounds like someone sold you a semi-bricked phone. Does it still get stuck when you try booting it up? If it can't update the radio partition, then that means it's corrupt, and the phone is unusable.
it wasnt unrevoked its the pc36img that gave that error. everything else was ok.
does it still get stuck at what.part? the white screen. i think so. but doesnt flash repeatedly now. is it the right pc36img for me that
was posted
AL_CAPONE_X3 said:
does it still get stuck at what.part? the white screen. i think so. but doesnt flash repeatedly now. is it the right pc36img for me that
was posted
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A PC36IMG.zip is just a ROM file set up to flash in the bootloader. If that won't completely flash (especially if the radio update is failing), you might be stuck. I can give you a newer one to try, but then you'll have to use a different rooting method, if you get it to successfully update.
I don't see why it would work, though.
ill try another img file. what other way to root? isnt the way where you gotta save serial number or what not the easiest way!?
AL_CAPONE_X3 said:
ill try another img file. what other way to root? isnt the way where you gotta save serial number or what not the easiest way!?
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Based on your info your ONLY way to root is unrevoked.
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which means if i do another img file ill never be able to root?
AL_CAPONE_X3 said:
which means if i do another img file ill never be able to root?
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You can keep trying to flash a PC36IMG.zip ruu but if you keep getting a radio pu error there is no point
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App
so there no way to fix it or the radio or this problem of it not being able to boot past this whogr boot up screen. or if i got insurance will it get replaced for free.
Some1 sold you a phone that was bricked. The radio update is failing cuz that's how it got bricked in the first place...bad radio updates. That is the most common way bricks happen. Get your money back asap. End of story.
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Please can someone show me how i can get s-off on a verizon droid incredible 2? I'm usin android 2.2.1. I can upgrade android...the device answer " web problem"...
i want to install clockworkMod recovery and cyanogenmod or an another rom...
Can someone help me?
You just need to flash the ruu for 2.3.3 and then you can run revolutionary.
Go here and download Gingerbread 2.3.3 firmware.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/18873-ruu-htc-incredible-2-signed-ruus-pg32imgzip/
Download it to your sdcard and rename it PG32IMG.zip. Turn phone off, pull battery, re-insert battery, hold vol down and power to get to bootloader and it should recognize the update file and press vol up to flash.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1726134
dets34 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1726134
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No need to downgrade when he's on 2.2.1, just upgrade to 2.3.3 like sjpritch said and use Revolutionary.