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wm7 = no native API call, stop running of background program and many other controls
let say good bye appl like WKTASK, CPUMonitorMini and many others
we have to wait for official comments next month. however why switch to Android? The native API of WM 6.5.x will not expire on our devices. With it we can do whatever we want.
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I can't see me now buying a wm7 device in the future and I defenitly switch to android if wm isn't supporting multitasking anymore.
The fact alone that wm7 won't be backward compatible let's me thing about switching.
Thats all really sad because my omnia 2 is actually my first smartphone and I'm very pleased with it, basically because it uses a desktop like os.
drandazzo said:
will the current WM6/6.5 applications work on WM7.. eg. TomTom?
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No. No piece of WM6 software will work on WP7. Some pieces may be easier for the developers to convert to WP7 than others, but all will require code-level conversion and recompilation of some sort.
Personally I hope 6.5 apps DON'T work on WP7, it'll make developers lazy and not bother re-writing their apps for WP7.
We need a clean break and that means no backwards compatibility. I want all my WP7 apps to have the jazzy new UI, full touch control and full integration with the hubs.
I don't mind paying the devs some more cash for a WP7 version of their apps, and I'm sure they won't mind taking that money off me!
Jim Coleman said:
Personally I hope 6.5 apps DON'T work on WP7, it'll make developers lazy and not bother re-writing their apps for WP7.
We need a clean break and that means no backwards compatibility. I want all my WP7 apps to have the jazzy new UI, full touch control and full integration with the hubs.
I don't mind paying the devs some more cash for a WP7 version of their apps, and I'm sure they won't mind taking that money off me!
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yeah when wp7 comes out thats when ill start buying my apps
Jim Coleman said:
Personally I hope 6.5 apps DON'T work on WP7, it'll make developers lazy and not bother re-writing their apps for WP7.
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The majority of the apps I use right now have already a kool looking ui (a lot of freeware is skinable anyway) and are fingerfriendly. And this includes stuff that is no longer in development and won't get updated.
If a developer refuses to update its app than there is a opportunity for someone else the be successful with a better product.
So why can't ms just let the market decide who got the best ui or functionality?
And for hubs, I don't really care for the new ui and would continue to use mobile shell (if still possible).
Shasarak said:
No. No piece of WM6 software will work on WP7. Some pieces may be easier for the developers to convert to WP7 than others, but all will require code-level conversion and recompilation of some sort.
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I dont see why tomtom or things like igo wouldnt work.
Microsoft said that backward compatiblilty will be difficult because of making it fit in with the OS, but if its full screen it doesnt need to fit in with any part of the os.
TheGoD said:
I ... would continue to use mobile shell (if still possible).
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No it won't be possible.
loomx said:
I dont see why tomtom or things like igo wouldnt work.
Microsoft said that backward compatiblilty will be difficult because of making it fit in with the OS, but if its full screen it doesnt need to fit in with any part of the os.
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Ah but you're missing the point. Tomtom, if written correctly within the new Silverlight framework doodad, will be largely subsumed into the Hubs interface - it'll provide new menu options in People, for instance, to navigate to their home or work address. In Calendar it'll do the same for the location of an event. Etc. Perhaps it'll calculate the route in background and then add it to a route list somewhere else on the phone, who knows. But it'll only go full screen with the 3D view etc when you're actually navigating. The rest of the UI will be done via the hubs.
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Ah but you're missing the point. Tomtom, if written correctly within the new Silverlight framework doodad, will be largely subsumed into the Hubs interface - it'll provide new menu options in People, for instance, to navigate to their home or work address. In Calendar it'll do the same for the location of an event. Etc. Perhaps it'll calculate the route in background and then add it to a route list somewhere else on the phone, who knows. But it'll only go full screen with the 3D view etc when you're actually navigating. The rest of the UI will be done via the hubs.
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Jim doesn't that sound ****ing awesome!?
in my opinion
winmo will be the best or the last
they have only one chance to make it the best mobile os or it will failed completly and all of us will move to android\iphone os
matckal said:
winmo will be the best or the last
they have only one chance to make it the best mobile os or it will failed completly and all of us will move to android\iphone os
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Depends on what WP7 really will be in the end, I'll switch to it, or just keep my old one. No intentions to switch to anything else, so please don't make such weird assumptions! WM 6.5.x will still be supported for a while by MS, and will be even longer on this board, so I see no reason to jump at the next opportunity because it's now suddenly hip or what?
Im done with Wm for Now...
Im done had all can take my HD2 is up for sale just picked up my Nexus one and its overclocked to 1.3ghz So fast microsoft im done....
Android is the new WinMo.
Except crappier. The slowdowns on the Qualcomm 72** series on the Android is more profound than on Win Mo. Thats how it felt to me.
I've messed around with android and it just doesn't seem that appealing to me honestly. Even though they may be locking down the WP7 UI. I love the integration it's going to have with Xbox Live and Zune. Not to mention the menu systems look very slick to me. I'll be sticking with Microsoft and I guess we will just have to wait for a crack to install our own apps if that's how it's going to go down.
after the recent Apple vs. HTC patent issues I would no longer talk so easy about bright future of Android. We never know what happens.
RAMMANN said:
after the recent Apple vs. HTC patent issues I would no longer talk so easy about bright future of Android. We never know what happens.
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I was going to say the same thing.
Android might have to get a complete faceleft and lose A LOT of functionality.
**** apple...
RAMMANN said:
after the recent Apple vs. HTC patent issues I would no longer talk so easy about bright future of Android. We never know what happens.
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Ah, the future of Android has never been clear really. Not because the OS is bad or anything, but simply because Google doesn't really need it. That is, it's nice to have but it's not a life or death situation for them in this business. It's one of examples of their "let's throw all kinds of cool **** around and see later where it sticks" strategy. They pursue things that go easily and just as well abandon things that aren't going smooth - they just don't know where the money will come from, and don't mind that. Heck they didn't even know how to make money from their search business until they stole the context ad idea after unsuccessful attempts to buy it. But make no mistake - they are in business for the money. It doesn't mean they'll necessarily dump it, but it is an unclear and intransparent game.
So if I were an OEM I'd think a dozen times before really betting on Android, with or without the lawsuit. It's fine to use the opportunities it provides in the short run, but long term commitments? Nah.
Hi!
I'm a fan of resistive touchscreens, therefore I currently to stay with WM (or I could switch to Symbian).
Would I be open to switching to a capacitive-based phone, I'd probably go for Android. Now WP7 is out and I'm curious, what does it actually offer over Android phones? A different user interface and support for M$ games (for that I have my PC), so why, in your opinion, should s user interested basically in a phone/organizer/messages/e-book reader switch to WP7 instead of another system?
I don't intend this as a clash topic like "which system is better", I'm just curious.
Thanks
If you use a lot of MS services and depend on Exchange then WP7 will be for you.
Personally I don't really like Android. It just feels overall unfinished (and often quite sluggish) and all held together with alot of different 3rd party apps, and the fact that 3rd party apps can replace the homescreen, SMS function etc.
Sir. Haxalot said:
Personally I don't really like Android. It just feels overall unfinished (and often quite sluggish) and all held together with alot of different 3rd party apps, and the fact that 3rd party apps can replace the homescreen, SMS function etc.
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I think WP7 is more of the future of the ppc. Information will presented in more of a real time and fluid manner while incorporating both work and personal agendas. Third party applications will be enhancements of course, but they won't necessary to hold an OS platform together as we see currently with WM, iOS and Android. The concept of having apps to simply have apps is kind of annoying to me. I want great applications not millions of applications.
Android wins hands down.
Apart from XBox gaming, WP7 offers absolutely nothing that Android can not do. And Android does everything better.
Android provides a much better user experience, because you can get things done much more quickly.
This is because there are no limitations that require complex workarounds and because you can customize Android much easier to get the information you want and do the things you want to do faster.
WP7 is limited and does not provide anything that Android hasn't done before.
Re vetvito: Android has better Exchange support than WP7!
Android's Exchange support is now 100%. WP7's Exchange support lacks lots of features, such as GAL.
crow26 said:
Android wins hands down.
Apart from XBox gaming, WP7 offers absolutely nothing that Android can not do. And Android does everything better.
Android provides a much better user experience, because you can get things done much more quickly.
This is because there are no limitations that require complex workarounds and because you can customize Android much easier to get the information you want and do the things you want to do faster.
WP7 is limited and does not provide anything that Android hasn't done before.
Re vetvito: Android has better Exchange support than WP7!
Android's Exchange support is now 100%. WP7's Exchange support lacks lots of features, such as GAL.
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can android pin anything to its start screen?? like fav songs, artist, albums, games, the list goes onnnn wp7 can pin pretty much anything and as far as "you can get things done much more quickly" i would think the home screen would be the simplest and fastest so not sure where you are getting you facts...
rruffman said:
can android pin anything to its start screen?? like fav songs, artist, albums, games, the list goes onnnn wp7 can pin pretty much anything and as far as "you can get things done much more quickly" i would think the home screen would be the simplest and fastest so not sure where you are getting you facts...
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No, but I'm pretty sure there'll be an app for it if it's actually a feature anyone wants.
Personally, I don't see the usefulness of having individual songs pinned to the homescreen, but that doesn't mean anything. Android is very customizable and it doesn't matter at all what I'd want (or what Google would want for that matter) because someone can just make it happen.
Depending on the app you use to play music, you can pin a playlist to the home screen which I could see being useful (not for me, but for others).
Games you can definitely pin to the homescreen though.
This is basically the same as Windows 7 being able to pin apps to the Task Bar. This is something that is pretty useful for me (for the apps I use all the time), but most people I know absolutely hate it.
But, if it's something people want, an app can be made. Can an app make your phone multitask?
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No, but I'm pretty sure there'll be an app for it if it's actually a feature anyone wants.
Personally, I don't see the usefulness of having individual songs pinned to the homescreen, but that doesn't mean anything. Android is very customizable and it doesn't matter at all what I'd want (or what Google would want for that matter) because someone can just make it happen.
Depending on the app you use to play music, you can pin a playlist to the home screen which I could see being useful (not for me, but for others).
Games you can definitely pin to the homescreen though.
This is basically the same as Windows 7 being able to pin apps to the Task Bar. This is something that is pretty useful for me (for the apps I use all the time), but most people I know absolutely hate it.
But, if it's something people want, an app can be made. Can an app make your phone multitask?
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here we go with the multi task again... the fact is no need for app or someone to make one in wp7 you can pin "ANYTHING" to the start screen. next on to the so called "multi task" yes you can run some services in the background on android but apps are also killed in addroid as well only they have access to certain services to kepp things seem to be running..
WP7:
1. App is running in the forderground
2. App is frozen in the RAM and only some threads are still running
3. App is frozen in the Flash memory and only some threads are still running
4. App is not running
Andriod
1. App is running in the foreground
2. App is frozen in the RAM and only some threads are still running
3. Just a portion of an app is running in the background as a service, the main app is deflated and residing in memory, or has been killed, leaving only the service.
4. App is not running, but is still in Memory in a deflated state until RAM runs out.
5. App is killed and not residing in memory. It may leave call to the OS to revive it periodically when conditions are met.
and no an app cannot be made for wp7.. but when this is updated to allow 3rd party apps to access these services then what will you say??? you sure cant get an app to help the andriod slugish interface to work better or an app to correct the fragmentation in androids os.. keep trying though..
Biges said:
Hi!
I'm a fan of resistive touchscreens, therefore I currently to stay with WM (or I could switch to Symbian).
Would I be open to switching to a capacitive-based phone, I'd probably go for Android. Now WP7 is out and I'm curious, what does it actually offer over Android phones? A different user interface and support for M$ games (for that I have my PC), so why, in your opinion, should s user interested basically in a phone/organizer/messages/e-book reader switch to WP7 instead of another system?
I don't intend this as a clash topic like "which system is better", I'm just curious.
Thanks
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I share your sentiments. Resistive is much better...............
I also think constantly what is the way to go.
For me a massive turn on in WP7 is consistent, simple, modern UI experience
the whole OS seems great and modern, with no fragmentation or too much eyecandy.
BUT there are cruical lacks which makes - at launch - WP7 crippled.
Android in reverse is kind of complete with functionality.
I observe how Microsoft will react and what will plan.
Definitely - I can't live without beeing able to choose whatever attachement I want in email
for instance.
So for me obesrvation, and decision to be made once these WP7 devices will come to Poland.
I have been a HEAVY Android user and promoter over the past year, I have had just about any device under the sun I could get my hands on for T-Mobile(and some unlocked european ones as well)
But honestly, I will be banishing Android to backup phone status once the HD7 comes out.
The entire OS just seems like it's still in the beta phase. The UI is extremely inconsistent across apps. You have one app that looks great, and another that looks like a 5 year old stitched it together with crayon.
Fragmentation is a huge problem with Android, Microsoft knew about this problem, hell it killed off Windows Mobile because of it. Between all the different hardware specs, and UI changes it's a nightmare to keep everything on the same version let alone run efficiently. Since Google will never remove the ability to change to core experience, each Android phone will be vastly different when changing OEMs, what works on an HTC device won't work on a Samsung. What works on a Samsung won't work on a Motorola, etc.
The hardware fragmentation is also a huge killer for android. They can't optimize the OS for specific hardware when you have to support low tiered devices as well. Not to mention the fact it is run inside a Virtual Machine, so you take a performance hit there.
Software updates are the main thing that has been turning me off from Android, both as a developer, and a user. You write an application for one version of Android, but 60% of phones don't have that version(froyo), so you start removing things or tweaking things trying to get it to work on lower hardware, and you end up with a mess. Not to mention OS updates don't come out for every device. We STILL have people stuck on Android 1.5, and they are still at the mercy of the OEM or the carrier. Custom UIs and OEM changes have been ****ing up the OS updates for a long time. I remember back when I had the Hero how long I had to wait to get 2.x, meanwhile the Droid was just launched, the Nexus One was annoucned, it was horrible when all these new apps come out that support the latest OS and you are stuck on an older version.
Sure while the customizability of android is great, some of you Android zealots have to stop and ask yourself, is too much customization a bad thing?
take a look at the iPhone(don't flame me here, is just an example ) the iPhone 3G, which released before the G1 is capable of running the LATEST version of iOS. It wasn't left behind because of some OEM changes, or because of older hardware. Apple knows that people are still in a contract with it, so they continue to support it for atleast 2 years. Sure while it may not have all the features of it's bigger brothers(3GS and 4) that is because it is limited by it's hardware and not because of semantics because Apple wants to push it's latest phone.
Honestly I'm sick of all these Android zealots bashing Windows Phone 7 because it's missing feature x, or feature y. All WP7 devices will be updated in a timely manner and on a regular basis. Hell MS even stated that Copy and Paste which couldn't make it into the launch build will be released with the OSes first update in the Spring. Not to mention the fact that rumor has it the same update will bring multi tasking as well. IF MS is as good with their WP7 updates as they are with their Xbox 360 or prior zune updates, then I have no doubts in my mind they will easily overtake Android in terms of features and usability(I think they already did the former already )
I'm glad MS chose to set a strict set of hardware requirements, as this allows us as a consumer to experience WP7 in the way it was intended, not how the OEM thought it should be. This allows EVERY device to get new OS updates, as well as makes things less likely to go wrong during an update.
With a set platform to develop for, not to mention MS created drivers, the WP7 experience will be extremely smooth, and something Android fanboys can only dream of.
Why is it my extremely powerful phone(Galaxy S) still has lag when entering and exiting menus and applications, even with lag fixes and custom ROMs? When the OS is made for a generic set of hardware you get a sub standard experience(just look at the HD2), but when the OS is created around a specific set of hardware, you get what is called "synergy"
Also to the person who said Android can do things faster than WP7, let's compare a simple task like taking a picture while something is happening and you want to get it on photo or video...
Android:
Take phone out of pocket
Press unlock key
Swipe to unlock or press menu
Navigate to home screen(if not already there)
Find Camera application(hope it's on your home screen)/ Or press camera button(if phone is equipped)
Take Photo(if the moment isn't over by now )
WP7:
Take phone out of pocket
Hold Camera button
Take Photo
Guess which one I and most users would want....
Sorry for my dissertation on that, but I've just become enraged by all these Android zealots who feel threatened by Microsoft's new OS. If you aren't interested in WP7 and feel like defending Android, go to the Android boards, not here.
chaoscentral said:
I have been a HEAVY Android user and promoter over the past year, I have had just about any device under the sun I could get my hands on for T-Mobile(and some unlocked european ones as well)
But honestly, I will be banishing Android to backup phone status once the HD7 comes out.
The entire OS just seems like it's still in the beta phase. The UI is extremely inconsistent across apps. You have one app that looks great, and another that looks like a 5 year old stitched it together with crayon.
Fragmentation is a huge problem with Android, Microsoft knew about this problem, hell it killed off Windows Mobile because of it. Between all the different hardware specs, and UI changes it's a nightmare to keep everything on the same version let alone run efficiently. Since Google will never remove the ability to change to core experience, each Android phone will be vastly different when changing OEMs, what works on an HTC device won't work on a Samsung. What works on a Samsung won't work on a Motorola, etc.
The hardware fragmentation is also a huge killer for android. They can't optimize the OS for specific hardware when you have to support low tiered devices as well. Not to mention the fact it is run inside a Virtual Machine, so you take a performance hit there.
Software updates are the main thing that has been turning me off from Android, both as a developer, and a user. You write an application for one version of Android, but 60% of phones don't have that version(froyo), so you start removing things or tweaking things trying to get it to work on lower hardware, and you end up with a mess. Not to mention OS updates don't come out for every device. We STILL have people stuck on Android 1.5, and they are still at the mercy of the OEM or the carrier. Custom UIs and OEM changes have been ****ing up the OS updates for a long time. I remember back when I had the Hero how long I had to wait to get 2.x, meanwhile the Droid was just launched, the Nexus One was annoucned, it was horrible when all these new apps come out that support the latest OS and you are stuck on an older version.
Sure while the customizability of android is great, some of you Android zealots have to stop and ask yourself, is too much customization a bad thing?
take a look at the iPhone(don't flame me here, is just an example ) the iPhone 3G, which released before the G1 is capable of running the LATEST version of iOS. It wasn't left behind because of some OEM changes, or because of older hardware. Apple knows that people are still in a contract with it, so they continue to support it for atleast 2 years. Sure while it may not have all the features of it's bigger brothers(3GS and 4) that is because it is limited by it's hardware and not because of semantics because Apple wants to push it's latest phone.
Honestly I'm sick of all these Android zealots bashing Windows Phone 7 because it's missing feature x, or feature y. All WP7 devices will be updated in a timely manner and on a regular basis. Hell MS even stated that Copy and Paste which couldn't make it into the launch build will be released with the OSes first update in the Spring. Not to mention the fact that rumor has it the same update will bring multi tasking as well. IF MS is as good with their WP7 updates as they are with their Xbox 360 or prior zune updates, then I have no doubts in my mind they will easily overtake Android in terms of features and usability(I think they already did the former already )
I'm glad MS chose to set a strict set of hardware requirements, as this allows us as a consumer to experience WP7 in the way it was intended, not how the OEM thought it should be. This allows EVERY device to get new OS updates, as well as makes things less likely to go wrong during an update.
With a set platform to develop for, not to mention MS created drivers, the WP7 experience will be extremely smooth, and something Android fanboys can only dream of.
Why is it my extremely powerful phone(Galaxy S) still has lag when entering and exiting menus and applications, even with lag fixes and custom ROMs? When the OS is made for a generic set of hardware you get a sub standard experience(just look at the HD2), but when the OS is created around a specific set of hardware, you get what is called "synergy"
Also to the person who said Android can do things faster than WP7, let's compare a simple task like taking a picture while something is happening and you want to get it on photo or video...
Android:
Take phone out of pocket
Press unlock key
Swipe to unlock or press menu
Navigate to home screen(if not already there)
Find Camera application(hope it's on your home screen)/ Or press camera button(if phone is equipped)
Take Photo(if the moment isn't over by now )
WP7:
Take phone out of pocket
Hold Camera button
Take Photo
Guess which one I and most users would want....
Sorry for my dissertation on that, but I've just become enraged by all these Android zealots who feel threatened by Microsoft's new OS. If you aren't interested in WP7 and feel like defending Android, go to the Android boards, not here.
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Nice Read!!! you really tell it like it is. I personaly never owned an andriod but i have had friends and you are correct about the apps i tried to install wifi teather on my friends phone and ALL of the apps i could never set the encrypton and 2 out of 3 didnt even work!!! so i can understans where you are comming from..
I too stated for all the droid fanboys to post their comments in the android boards...
chaoscentral said:
I have been a HEAVY Android user and promoter over the past year, I have had just about any device under the sun I could get my hands on for T-Mobile(and some unlocked european ones as well)
But honestly, I will be banishing Android to backup phone status once the HD7 comes out.
The entire OS just seems like it's still in the beta phase. The UI is extremely inconsistent across apps. You have one app that looks great, and another that looks like a 5 year old stitched it together with crayon.
Fragmentation is a huge problem with Android, Microsoft knew about this problem, hell it killed off Windows Mobile because of it. Between all the different hardware specs, and UI changes it's a nightmare to keep everything on the same version let alone run efficiently. Since Google will never remove the ability to change to core experience, each Android phone will be vastly different when changing OEMs, what works on an HTC device won't work on a Samsung. What works on a Samsung won't work on a Motorola, etc.
The hardware fragmentation is also a huge killer for android. They can't optimize the OS for specific hardware when you have to support low tiered devices as well. Not to mention the fact it is run inside a Virtual Machine, so you take a performance hit there.
Software updates are the main thing that has been turning me off from Android, both as a developer, and a user. You write an application for one version of Android, but 60% of phones don't have that version(froyo), so you start removing things or tweaking things trying to get it to work on lower hardware, and you end up with a mess. Not to mention OS updates don't come out for every device. We STILL have people stuck on Android 1.5, and they are still at the mercy of the OEM or the carrier. Custom UIs and OEM changes have been ****ing up the OS updates for a long time. I remember back when I had the Hero how long I had to wait to get 2.x, meanwhile the Droid was just launched, the Nexus One was annoucned, it was horrible when all these new apps come out that support the latest OS and you are stuck on an older version.
Sure while the customizability of android is great, some of you Android zealots have to stop and ask yourself, is too much customization a bad thing?
take a look at the iPhone(don't flame me here, is just an example ) the iPhone 3G, which released before the G1 is capable of running the LATEST version of iOS. It wasn't left behind because of some OEM changes, or because of older hardware. Apple knows that people are still in a contract with it, so they continue to support it for atleast 2 years. Sure while it may not have all the features of it's bigger brothers(3GS and 4) that is because it is limited by it's hardware and not because of semantics because Apple wants to push it's latest phone.
Honestly I'm sick of all these Android zealots bashing Windows Phone 7 because it's missing feature x, or feature y. All WP7 devices will be updated in a timely manner and on a regular basis. Hell MS even stated that Copy and Paste which couldn't make it into the launch build will be released with the OSes first update in the Spring. Not to mention the fact that rumor has it the same update will bring multi tasking as well. IF MS is as good with their WP7 updates as they are with their Xbox 360 or prior zune updates, then I have no doubts in my mind they will easily overtake Android in terms of features and usability(I think they already did the former already )
I'm glad MS chose to set a strict set of hardware requirements, as this allows us as a consumer to experience WP7 in the way it was intended, not how the OEM thought it should be. This allows EVERY device to get new OS updates, as well as makes things less likely to go wrong during an update.
With a set platform to develop for, not to mention MS created drivers, the WP7 experience will be extremely smooth, and something Android fanboys can only dream of.
Why is it my extremely powerful phone(Galaxy S) still has lag when entering and exiting menus and applications, even with lag fixes and custom ROMs? When the OS is made for a generic set of hardware you get a sub standard experience(just look at the HD2), but when the OS is created around a specific set of hardware, you get what is called "synergy"
Also to the person who said Android can do things faster than WP7, let's compare a simple task like taking a picture while something is happening and you want to get it on photo or video...
Android:
Take phone out of pocket
Press unlock key
Swipe to unlock or press menu
Navigate to home screen(if not already there)
Find Camera application(hope it's on your home screen)/ Or press camera button(if phone is equipped)
Take Photo(if the moment isn't over by now )
WP7:
Take phone out of pocket
Hold Camera button
Take Photo
Guess which one I and most users would want....
Sorry for my dissertation on that, but I've just become enraged by all these Android zealots who feel threatened by Microsoft's new OS. If you aren't interested in WP7 and feel like defending Android, go to the Android boards, not here.
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OK - taking photo is faster with WP7. And what about copying music to your phone? Is Zune Syncing faster than drag-and-drop? And what if I want to copy something from a friend's computer? Installing Zune just to do that? It's the "Apple aproach" that's just a deal breaker for me. I never believed that MS will drop so low. Telling people what thay are allowed to do and what they are not allowed to do (a change of the UI is absolutely forbidden by MS) is just the thing that turned me off the iPhone and made me stick with WM (android was in the very early stages back then). I can't understand why so many people here didn't like the iPhone and are now exited about the WP7?!? I did't miss application consistency with WM, why on earth will this be so important with WP? And you think that OS fragmentation is just an Android flaw? Well guess what - it's WP7 1.0 now. Do you honestly think that all the manufacturers will offer ROM upgrades when they are released from MS? Like the Touch HD ever got WM6.5 officialy?
And for the last part of your post - it's been 3 days since MS released the WP7 and already some people are trying to say what others should do or not... you catch up pretty quick.
tkolev said:
Do you honestly think that all the manufacturers will offer ROM upgrades when they are released from MS? Like the Touch HD ever got WM6.5 officialy?
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that is the nice thing of wp7 , microsoft is dealing with the updates , you don't have to wait for the OEM'S to get your updates .
If you use a lot of MS services, especially some mail/file exchange service, like outlook,
wp7 should be nice to you.
but I am an android guy
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ceesheim said:
that is the nice thing of wp7 , microsoft is dealing with the updates , you don't have to wait for the OEM'S to get your updates .
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They could probably handle patches, but I seriously doubt that they will handle ROM upgrades. You will still be dependant on your OEM to make a ROM specific for your device. And knowing HTC's policy that's something not very likely to happen.
tkolev said:
They could probably handle patches, but I seriously doubt that they will handle ROM upgrades. You will still be dependant on your OEM to make a ROM specific for your device. And knowing HTC's policy that's something not very likely to happen.
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I think there isn't any nead to update the whole rom , you can update almosed everything in the rom.
I think it will be the same as wm6.5 , the option was there but never used .
Here is a link of how it works on wm6.*
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520009
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I have been a HEAVY Android user and promoter over the past year, I have had just about any device under the sun I could get my hands on for T-Mobile(and some unlocked european ones as well)
But honestly, I will be banishing Android to backup phone status once the HD7 comes out.
The entire OS just seems like it's still in the beta phase. The UI is extremely inconsistent across apps. You have one app that looks great, and another that looks like a 5 year old stitched it together with crayon.
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This is exactly the impression I've got from Android, and is the reason that I'll go to WP7 instead of an Android option.
Jailbroken WP7 would be the best!
Guys its just the ui that matters.. Android offers everything that wp7 is now beginning to offer. Only problem with android is the ui which is unable to display the information to the user the way wp7 does.. But I guess if wp7 has a better ui then android will put on a fight with gingerbread. Only problem with android is that all of us ain't using a nexus hence the experience will be different to all of us. And software updates in android are a joke when it comes to the consumer end... Still waiting for froyo.... May end up buying wp7 because of the experience
Just love that ui... Makes android look old and fragmented.
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ceesheim said:
I think there isn't any nead to update the whole rom , you can update almosed everything in the rom.
I think it will be the same as wm6.5 , the option was there but never used .
Here is a link of how it works on wm6.*
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520009
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I still find it hard to believe that MS will update the hardware-related parts of the ROM. Now it's easy - there is one processor, one resolution, etc. but these are the minimum specs the phones must meet. I guess will have to wait a couple of years to see what's going to happen. My feeling is that the update system will never be as efficient as Apple's and will have all of it's drawbacks. In the end WP will be as fragmented as Android and as closed as iOS. I hope I'm wrong!
A couple of days ago we posted about a Workaround for forced NoDo update which works pretty well.But if you are one of those Windows Phone 7 users,who still haven’t got their hands on the NoDo update(Copy-Paste) for their WP7 device?Wait no more,ChevronWP7 Updater to the Rescue.
Yes, one of the masterminds behind the famous Chevron WP7 Team Chris Walsh seems to have found a solution to the NoDo update problem with a simple solution,with a bit help from the recently released Windows Phone Support Tool.
Chris has released Chevron Updater utility which will allow you to update your phone with a few simple steps.So if you are tired of waiting for the AT&T’s update or any other carrier for that matter then head over to chris’s blog and download the Microsoft Windows Phone Support Tools and ChevronWP7.Updater.exe console app and follow the on screen instructions.The source for the updater application will be available by tomorrow.
Chris Walsh's ChevronWP7.Updater is a command line console app which prompts the user to follow the steps but it requires that the device language is supported by ChevronWP7.Update (at the moment the tool supports English US, English UK, French, Italian, Spanish and German) and it's strongly recommended not trying out any other language combinations!
Anyway, while this seems to be an interesting option to shorten the time for getting the Windows Phone 7 NoDo update, you better know what you are doing since such a workaround can seriously damage your Windows Phone 7! I would suggest to better wait until your carrier releases its Windows Phone 7 NoDo update but just in case you want it now, I've told you that there's a workaround.
THE BAD NEWS
UPDATE: Looks like Chris Walsh has taken down ChevronWP7.Updater, the download isn't available anymore. He has not yet given the reason for the take-down and therefore it's unclear if he has taken it down on Microsoft's request or because it caused more problems than it helped! Again, use it on your own risk and better know what you are doing if you plan to use it!
UPDATE 2: In an info, Microsoft seriously warns to use ChevronWP7.Updater. According to Microsoft, the use of ChevronWP7.Updater could possibly put the updated Windows Phone 7 device into a state where it cannot receive future regular updates to the OS anymore and the only fix will be re-flashing the device with an original stock ROM. At the end of the day if could mean that such Windows Phone 7 devices have to be send to the manufacturers or carriers service centers because unlike for Windows Mobile, stock ROMs are officially not available as a public download for end-users.
Bla bla bla microsoft..
yet, if you read the posts from that blog, people were getting nodo update notifications after using it, so that might be MS talking out of their azz.
those updates about ChevronWP7 Updater are AWESOME! I warned people about using the Chevron software. That things seemed a bit too convenient. That it probably was NOT a good idea to trust software coming from the same people that were supposedly in talks with Microsoft, that stopped supporting their own software, and that no one had really heard much from in a long while. When something is too good to be true, it usually is.
In other words best if u used the chevron updater u should either wait and see what will happen on future upadates (since u are up to date with chevron updater right now) or if u want to be sure u have to go the hard way unbranding your phone by the gold card method or whatever to get an "old" unbranded ROM installed and get the nodo update on this unbranded ROM over "normal" Zune update?
Prolly I should just switch to iphone5 once it gets realesed even tho I was really enjoying my WP7 so far
First I get all happy because WP7 owners can now upgrade their phones easily.
Then I get all sad because MS is acting up again (and might have forced the Chevron guys to take the updater offline).
WTF, Microsoft?
Microsoft isn't acting up.
I mean, seriously... If they were acting up they'd be closing other loopholes to getting the update (i.e. turning your connection off to force an early update notification) not telling people to not use Chevron.
Use it, but don't come here *****ing when you're still waiting on Mango 2 months after everyone else has gotten it.
Android updates no no different. Lots of times installing leaked updates or getting them through other means can have the same effect. You stop getting update notifications, etc.
Just Wait and See
People, just mellow out about this. Those were MS servers that the Chevron Updater pulled from with MS software, using a tool that MS developed that contained the hole that allowed Chevron Updater access.. There are those in Canada who used this method to update and then, days later, got a regular update notice for their carrier approved update and updated yet again, officially, with no problems. There is no way to verify whether this unsupported, thrid hand statement from God knows who and where, is real or not. Only time will tell and until then you have NoDo. If it turns out to be a problem it will be dealt with, I am sure. In fact, the statement says it is possible, not that it will. For Gods sake, ANYTHING is possible but few things are probable. So, lower your bloodpressure and wait for the next release whether it be a device specific firmware release, an official carrier approved release or the next official post-NoDo release.
Cool...
10things im waiting for
1.a good 10+ megapixel phone
2.a good 3+ megapixel front camera for 3g calls
3.facetime like service
4.unlocked marketplace for India
5.bluetooth/wifi/3g gaming
6.xbox controller
7.Nokia E90 like hardware and many other form-factors
8.high fps slow motion camera
9.wireless charging
10.Augmented Reality Games with wireless AR goggles
11.User Modes: "Admin" "guest" "user"[dont reply about security breaches. still its cool to have when Apple can snoop me on my gps]
Admin: Selecting few contacts and granting them admin previledges should allow them to control your mobile remotely and read/write gallery, contacts, sms, reset[everything]
Guest: if you select few contacts as "guest" they can be controlled by you...
you can set rules "do not disturb" from "9AM till 6PM" and "sat,sun" etc
Users: if your friend wants to borrow your phone for a week. dont panic. just create a user and insert his sim. he can use all the phone features except admin settings. all your data will be hidden
after return you can delete his user account or just switch over to yours.
The xbox thing is coming. You can control some kinect games with WP7. The rest sound good. Not sure about 11. Sounds a bit too complex for a mobile OS
12. Wi-Fi hotspot (built in, not carrrer addon)
13. direct file access (use part of storage to be able to use a WP7 device as a USB drive and access it on phone)
14. Remote Desktop app (RDC)
tomakali said:
Cool...
11.User Modes: "Admin" "guest" "user"[dont reply about security breaches. still its cool to have when Apple can snoop me on my gps]
Admin: Selecting few contacts and granting them admin previledges should allow them to control your mobile remotely and read/write gallery, contacts, sms, reset[everything]
Guest: if you select few contacts as "guest" they can be controlled by you...
you can set rules "do not disturb" from "9AM till 6PM" and "sat,sun" etc
Users: if your friend wants to borrow your phone for a week. dont panic. just create a user and insert his sim. he can use all the phone features except admin settings. all your data will be hidden
after return you can delete his user account or just switch over to yours.
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I wouldn't want my data in someone elses hands. better to fully backup the phone, wipe, let the friend use it, and restore later imho.
moving the phones restore image off to a computer is a good idea too.
15. More "open" OS for 3rd Party Apps (like install a ".cab" in WM6.5)
16. Custom Ringtone, no need to "developer unlocked and then install XAP..."
17. An Official Windows Phone Device Center, like Windows Mobile Device Center for WM6.5. Sync to Office, Outlook...
18. A "Task Manager" so we can shut some **** stuffs off to save battery. (which i found really usefull in WM6.5) . Also have a option to shut down the application completely while using it
19. Bing support in Asia ( better be, but i am not going to stay at my hometown for a longtime, i will stay here, where Bing does support, LOL)
20. Better build-in Facebook (Not Facebook Apps), notifications, images, video, view post... all from People Hub ( i found the Facebook Apps is kind of annoying if you don't have 3G and have to use EGPRS...)
21. Hopefully, Microsoft will let HTC build their custom Windows Phone 7 version, or modifield deep down inside the "Cores" of Windows Phone 7, so we can get something like a HTC Sense for WP7, or HTC Sense Metro-UI Style.
22. Support better Multi-Tasking
23. Upgrade Security Level for WP7 if possible ( i thought about this when i read the thread of somebody here lost his HD7 and found out that he could not find his phone or lock it Through Live because everything based on the Simcard Inside)
24. Better MMS Build-in system (sometime, i find it really hard to download the picture that my friend send to me through MMS)
25. Video Call ( i have seen the new HTC's Device that run WP7, has the 16MP Camera. It has the front camera, so hopefully we gonna get it)
26. Improve/Optimize Performance... I don't know why, maybe because of WP7, maybe because of the maker, but my WP7's Fruit Ninja is not as smooth as iPhone's or Android's Fruit Ninja.
Strike_Eagle said:
15. More "open" OS for 3rd Party Apps (like install a ".cab" in WM6.5)
16. Custom Ringtone, no need to "developer unlocked and then install XAP..."
17. An Official Windows Phone Device Center, like Windows Mobile Device Center for WM6.5. Sync to Office, Outlook...
18. A "Task Manager" so we can shut some **** stuffs off to save battery. (which i found really usefull in WM6.5) . Also have a option to shut down the application completely while using it
19. Bing support in Asia ( better be, but i am not going to stay at my hometown for a longtime, i will stay here, where Bing does support, LOL)
20. Better build-in Facebook (Not Facebook Apps), notifications, images, video, view post... all from People Hub ( i found the Facebook Apps is kind of annoying if you don't have 3G and have to use EGPRS...)
21. Hopefully, Microsoft will let HTC build their custom Windows Phone 7 version, or modifield deep down inside the "Cores" of Windows Phone 7, so we can get something like a HTC Sense for WP7, or HTC Sense Metro-UI Style.
22. Support better Multi-Tasking
23. Upgrade Security Level for WP7 if possible ( i thought about this when i read the thread of somebody here lost his HD7 and found out that he could not find his phone or lock it Through Live because everything based on the Simcard Inside)
24. Better MMS Build-in system (sometime, i find it really hard to download the picture that my friend send to me through MMS)
25. Video Call ( i have seen the new HTC's Device that run WP7, has the 16MP Camera. It has the front camera, so hopefully we gonna get it)
26. Improve/Optimize Performance... I don't know why, maybe because of WP7, maybe because of the maker, but my WP7's Fruit Ninja is not as smooth as iPhone's or Android's Fruit Ninja.
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almost all and more will be in with MANGO, you should watch JoeB's video interview for mix11.... there are so many cool featuers coming to WP7....
truffle1234 said:
almost all and more will be in with MANGO, you should watch JoeB's video interview for mix11.... there are so many cool featuers coming to WP7....
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And so what? From current WP7 politics it looks like WP7 is NOT a important product for microsoft, so why should the bother about few customers. They are always selling only promises, and people are buying them, not a real functionality in software.
elektryk said:
And so what? From current WP7 politics it looks like WP7 is NOT a important product for microsoft, so why should the bother about few customers. They are always selling only promises, and people are buying them, not a real functionality in software.
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Troll much?
Microsoft understand about the "Smartphone" Cake. People now are relying more and more on their smartphone. They don't have time to wait for the full battery of the laptop or they don't have the strength of the Olympic Athletic to carry it everyday and run around. ( except for Sony Vaio Bussiness Series, but compare to a smartphone, they are still damn more expensive)?
They know how to listen to their customer, biggest example i can tell is Windows 7 (PC OS). Now they are doing good with Windows Phone 7. Even Windows Phone 7 is a new OS, i still feel good with it. Because it deploy and provide everything i need in my daylife. There are few to some lacks of feature or bug, but you need to learn how to accept and live with it, since Windows Phone is new and mistake is not avoid-able.
Windows Phone are having a great chance in Smartphone Market, since iOS is boring and no change between version and version. Android is getting heavier and heavier... ( don't be mad, but i had changed my HD7 for my friend's Desire HD. Android is fun to play around with, but the only thing i found it usefull, not by Android itself, but because of the HTC Sense. After 2 days of using, i could not wait for my HD7 back).
NO matter what you say, i do believe in Microsoft in this Project, and i do belive that Windows Phone will not let iOS and Android walk that easy. The problem that Microsoft need to solve is their estimate time of product realeasing... they delayed No-Do and that made me felt like crap.
elektryk said:
And so what? From current WP7 politics it looks like WP7 is NOT a important product for microsoft, so why should the bother about few customers. They are always selling only promises, and people are buying them, not a real functionality in software.
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rubbish.... either u dont read news or just plain ignorrent... if WP7 is not an important product for MS why the hell they pay few billion to NOKIA to use WP7 on their hardware...
just wait and see what WP7 will do to the mobile industry....
to you functionality is scrwing up the mobile phone jsut like WM 6.5 and android did..... if you can tell me that WP7 do not work out of the box then i will believe you... dont tell me it cant work as wifi acces point, not a USB disk drive, or no bluetooth file transfer (those are all bull****....), i bought the phone sync my outlook contacts to windows live account and wala....
till today it did not hanged, freezed, and with the nodo update it even got better... mango will make it even better....
i am not here to say iOS or android is crap, but if u test iOS, Android and WP7 side by side.... as there are few videos of apple for apple test iOS v WP7.... iOS was 10 sec slower then WP7..... so just imeging what it will do to ANDROID...
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NO matter what you say, i do believe in Microsoft in this Project, and i do belive that Windows Phone will not let iOS and Android walk that easy. The problem that Microsoft need to solve is their estimate time of product realeasing... they delayed No-Do and that made me felt like crap.
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I agree with you on all you said, I tried the Samsung galaxy s and it’s not as smooth as my HD7...
and for the first time MS have come out and said sorry for the delay in the NODO update release, JonB have apologized so many time to the users...
MIX11 interview video... can’t wait for the mango...
I am just waiting for NOKIA to start shipping the WP7 devices so I can have real good phone, and I believe HTC will have to do better than HD7 when nokia start to ship WP7..
tomakali said:
Cool...
10things im waiting for
1.a good 10+ megapixel phone
2.a good 3+ megapixel front camera for 3g calls
3.facetime like service
4.unlocked marketplace for India
5.bluetooth/wifi/3g gaming
6.xbox controller
7.Nokia E90 like hardware and many other form-factors
8.high fps slow motion camera
9.wireless charging
10.Augmented Reality Games with wireless AR goggles
11.User Modes: "Admin" "guest" "user"[dont reply about security breaches. still its cool to have when Apple can snoop me on my gps]
Admin: Selecting few contacts and granting them admin previledges should allow them to control your mobile remotely and read/write gallery, contacts, sms, reset[everything]
Guest: if you select few contacts as "guest" they can be controlled by you...
you can set rules "do not disturb" from "9AM till 6PM" and "sat,sun" etc
Users: if your friend wants to borrow your phone for a week. dont panic. just create a user and insert his sim. he can use all the phone features except admin settings. all your data will be hidden
after return you can delete his user account or just switch over to yours.
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9.wireless charging
Yes and then you want world peace
Have you ever use a WP7 device ??? Real use not just 1 day playing ...
As a phone not as a psp console???
M8 Those devices do things rigth for the 80% of the users out there ..
Its only 8 months old OS...Did you forget iOS or Android how where in the first 8 months ????
It will be better (away better) with mango and way better than any os was in the 1 year.
So be cool and wait ...for the world peace
colossus_r said:
Its only 8 months old OS...Did you forget iOS or Android how where in the first 8 months ????
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Do you mean MS has started WP7 8 months ago, or it is 8 months on market? I can understand that this system is 8 months on market, so there is no good "navigation" software with offline maps, but microsoft has much more time to prepare its product. WM6.5 has been developed from original windows CE which was started aprox. 1997, so it tooks more then 10 years of "evolution" to get this OS functional and nice looking. Now WP7 is similar to Windows CE 2.0, it has "small version" of Word, Excel some applications made by hobbiest, and GUI which is so "creative" like Windows CE was in 1997. Only difference is faster and bigger hardware.
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to you functionality is scrwing up the mobile phone jsut like WM 6.5 and android did..... if you can tell me that WP7 do not work out of the box then i will believe you... dont tell me it cant work as wifi acces point, not a USB disk drive, or no bluetooth file transfer (those are all bull****....)
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And if you compare WP7 phone to non-smartphone from 2005 it is fantastic. But today is 2011 and if you want to sell product you must compare it to competitors. WP7 was designed to be new trend in technology and showing future of this market and beeing revolutionary. Currently some non-smartphone phone has better functionality.
Strike_Eagle said:
Microsoft understand about the "Smartphone" Cake. People now are relying more and more on their smartphone. [...]
They know how to listen to their customer, biggest example i can tell is Windows 7 (PC OS). Now they are doing good with Windows Phone 7.
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I think this example should be understood different way. Microsoft has developed Windows 95 from a scratch, people were disapointed because there were problems with compatibility, but got used to this OS. Then were windows XP which brought more new technology, there were many problems but people accepted this OS. Then was few years without new OS and had appeared Windows Vista. It was criticized for many problems, and avoided in many areas. Now we have nice, quite stable Windows 7 which based on Vista. IMHO WP7 is still in "Vista" stage, maybe Mango will fix this, but I believe 2-3 updates which will bring so many changes as Mango will make this system like windows 7.
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NO matter what you say, i do believe in Microsoft in this Project, and i do belive that Windows Phone will not let iOS and Android walk that easy. The problem that Microsoft need to solve is their estimate time of product realeasing... they delayed No-Do and that made me felt like crap.
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Sure if microsoft were founded 3 years ago, this mistakes can be forgiven. Nodo is a small part of functionality that was promissed.
truffle1234 said:
rubbish.... either u dont read news or just plain ignorrent... if WP7 is not an important product for MS why the hell they pay few billion to NOKIA to use WP7 on their hardware...
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Nokia is a different story, this company had lost so many chances. They had good quality phones, own OS (Symbian), they wanted to develop QT and now they are on the verge of bankruptcy. Why MS gave them money? I do not know, probably MS want to earn more money.
Hi, is there a hack to get the old people hub on w10mobile? Prior to creators update, I could use Facebook connect. I am annoyed that it doesn't work even after I use the original MSFT version of Facebook (worked on my hp elite x3 until cu)
People hub appx ?
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Hi, is there a hack to get the old people hub on w10mobile? Prior to creators update, I could use Facebook connect. I am annoyed that it doesn't work even after I use the original MSFT version of Facebook (worked on my hp elite x3 until cu)
People hub appx ?
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Is it possible to have even an older version of the "people app" on the latest w10m build? I just want the ppl app prior to creators update.
Hi. I wanted to fix it too. When i recover the system with windows device recovery tool things work and i always keep Microsoft Fbook app syincing just fine. The problem is that SO autoupdates itself from build to build. I copy data of apps with app data manager tool to try to get conclusions about it. I assume the problem is created on other apps that connect the info from FB to people. My best clue is the app named Content delivery manager. I tried to restore it but it fails.. when i try to recover this app with previous backup it also erases FBOOK to install but then it stops without ending the process.. I would need to inject it somehow to prove my theory. Info can pass through but not in the actual updated state of out OS.
Thanks, yes super frustrating that they intentionally continue to rip out the functions that kept the OS unique. My only guess us that they're trying to get rid of us.
saq333 said:
Thanks, yes super frustrating that they intentionally continue to rip out the functions that kept the OS unique. My only guess us that they're trying to get rid of us.
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Certainly makes you wonder. Im almost waiting for the day they flip an invisible switch and make the phones unable to connect to anything including your cell provider forcing us to ditch our bricks. They already forced the 8.1's to be unable to sync the MS accounts for months now. If that happens, i dont know what ill do, cause i refuse to use Android or iOS. Maybe ill find a flip phone...
do you thing they care any more ?
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do you thing they care any more ?
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Certainly not. For them to abandon for "iOS and Android app development" shows they give exactly two ****s about their users. I really wish i was a share holder...
When they moved away from WinMo for WP they really screwed up, but the users were *****ing for an OS that could run Win32 apps, so they gave us something "more powerful" but what they thought would compete with iOS and Android, which is completely backwards. If it werent for WinMo those two wouldnt be around. No Mac user ever complained that Apple didnt have a phone/OS and Google was just a search engine. Now granted, technology and progress dictate SOME change, but most 6.5 users loved it (I didnt, i think 6.1 was the best PPC version) only complaining about the hardware. I mean really, the HD1 was the pinnacle of hw? But, it could run Android, XP and WP7.8 (IIRC someone got RT to boot on it once or twice?), i never understood why MS was "happy" with HTC being the only HW developer until WP8. I would LOVE to see what a CE based WinMo 10 would do on a 950 spec HW. Prob run Win32 apps finally...