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Alright. I have been looking over some of the supposed fixes and features that are to come with 2.2. The thing is though, I have noticed that these things are already available on the Desire. Increased Ram, Flash 10.1, and a few other things. I know the Desire is running 2.1... but why does it seem to have the features 2.2 is said to bring? Has anyone else noticed this or found it a bit odd?
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Alright. I have been looking over some of the supposed fixes and features that are to come with 2.2. The thing is though, I have noticed that these things are already available on the Desire. Increased Ram, Flash 10.1, and a few other things. I know the Desire is running 2.1... but why does it seem to have the features 2.2 is said to bring? Has anyone else noticed this or found it a bit odd?
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the desire doesn't have very good flash implementation 10.1 is suppose to bring flawless flash which could possibly be GPU accelerated at the moment. at the moment flash on the desire and legend is flash lite and is 100% software based (ie no acceleration)
more ram i assume means more available as in 2.2 has a smaller memory imprint add that and JIT compiler and we are in for a big performance boost on all current 2.1 devices (provided an update is supplied)
the desire doesn't have flash 10.1, it has flash lite.
What I am talking about with the Ram is that supposedly when 2.2 comes out, the phones that currently have 512mb of Ram will have 576, the same as the Desire has. The Desire also has FM radio, and some other things 2.2 is meant to bring. That's why I thought maybe there were some 2.2 features on the Desire now. Since the Desire already has some of these features, what will 2.2 mean for it? Does the Desire have the extra ram because of the kernal/rom it uses, or because it physically has the extra Ram? If it physically has the extra, does that mean 2.2 will increase the Ram on the Desire as well?
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the desire doesn't have very good flash implementation 10.1 is suppose to bring flawless flash which could possibly be GPU accelerated at the moment. at the moment flash on the desire and legend is flash lite and is 100% software based (ie no acceleration)
more ram i assume means more available as in 2.2 has a smaller memory imprint add that and JIT compiler and we are in for a big performance boost on all current 2.1 devices (provided an update is supplied)
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If not supplied, we will hack it
Say a phone running 2.1 , has 512mb of ram, not all of that ram is available as say 200mb is used by android 2.1,
the 2.2 basically means instead of using the 200mb that 2.1 uses, it will use 150mb, therefore freeing up 50mb of ram.
2.2 is also ment to have JIT (just in time), apparently apps will be 3x faster and use less battery
i hope that htc release their sense quite soon after the froyo is out cause i LOVE it. i wonder why some people are trying to vanish it off their phones. i didn't find something that the stock android can do better than the sense does. anyway i just hope froyo to be ported to desire soon!!!
Phil750123 said:
Say a phone running 2.1 , has 512mb of ram, not all of that ram is available as say 200mb is used by android 2.1,
the 2.2 basically means instead of using the 200mb that 2.1 uses, it will use 150mb, therefore freeing up 50mb of ram.
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I get that much, but I find it odd that the Desire has 576 while all the other new phone have 512, and with 2.2 the other phones are supposed to have the same amount of Ram as the Desire. Don't most of the new HTC phones have basically the same hardware and Android version? What it is about the Desire that makes it have more Ram then the other phones, and when 2.2 comes out, will the Desire also get a boost in Ram, or will it stay at 576?
Also, I may sound a little out of the loop here, but what exactly is JIT meant to do?
As for Sense UI. I really like some of the HTC Widgets, but I was looking forward to the new Drawer feature in 2.1 as well as the unlock screen... I love the Desire, and I am slowly getting used to the Launch bar at the bottom... but the lock screen on the Desire is awefull. I would really have preferred the normal 2.1 unlock screen. I know you can root it and change it, but I would rather not root my phone. I also know you can download Helix or whatever it is called and have the Drawer launcher, but my HTC Widgets don't work with it and Sense is still open in the background using up Ram.
Whiterin said:
I get that much, but I find it odd that the Desire has 576 while all the other new phone have 512, and with 2.2 the other phones are supposed to have the same amount of Ram as the Desire. Don't most of the new HTC phones have basically the same hardware and Android version? What it is about the Desire that makes it have more Ram then the other phones, and when 2.2 comes out, will the Desire also get a boost in Ram, or will it stay at 576?
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I think you're getting a little bit confused here. RAM is the physical amount of memory the device has. The desire has 576MB on a chip. The Nexus One, for example, has 512MB, also on a chip.
No software update is going to change that. The only thing the software update can do is to make the RAM usage more efficient, meaning the device will have more available RAM, as mentioned above.
But they'll still have the exact same amount of total RAM as they did before the update.
tuatha said:
I think you're getting a little bit confused here. RAM is the physical amount of memory the device has. The desire has 576MB on a chip. The Nexus One, for example, has 512MB, also on a chip.
No software update is going to change that. The only thing the software update can do is to make the RAM usage more efficient, meaning the device will have more available RAM, as mentioned above.
But they'll still have the exact same amount of total RAM as they did before the update.
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I know how Ram works. I am asking why is the amount of Ram on the Desire currently higher then other new phones. I mean the actual ram allotted and usable. Does the Desire physically have more Ram, or is there something about the Rom or Kernal version that is letting it have more usable memory? Seems like you're saying the actual physical RAM is higher. Which still leaves the question of whether or not the Desire will have more usable memory when 2.2 hits. From reading around on the internet, 2.2 is supposed to up the usable memory on some of the newer devices (Nexus One and possibly Incredible) because it is based off of a newer Kernal. So if the Desire has more physical memory then the other devices, and the new Kernal is able to free up more of it to be usable... it would be logical to assume that the Desire will get an increase of the usable memory. If there is something about the current Rom or Kernal on the Desire that allows for more usable memory, but it has the same amount of memory as say, the Nexus one... then they should be even when 2.2 hits. Which one of those will happen is what I am wondering if anyone knows.
Yes, it physically has more RAM than the Nexus One. A total of 576MB of physical RAM. So yes, it should logically follow that it will also have more available RAM after the update (provided both are running identical software versions).
But in all honesty, we don't even have a confirmed feature list for FroYo yet. It's 90% guess-work right now (albeit educated guesses).
Plus we don't know what HTC's updated Sense will be like or how much RAM it will require. It's completely impossible to answer that with any certainty.
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Yes, it physically has more RAM than the Nexus One. A total of 576MB of physical RAM. So yes, it should logically follow that it will also have more available RAM after the update (provided both are running identical software versions).
But in all honesty, we don't even have a confirmed feature list for FroYo yet. It's 90% guess-work right now (albeit educated guesses).
Plus we don't know what HTC's updated Sense will be like or how much RAM it will require. It's completely impossible to answer that with any certainty.
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Yeah, I have just seen a few places saying the Nexus One as well as other phones that currently have 512 RAM should have 576 available in 2.2. Like you said though, most of it is guess work, so hard to tell how accurate that is. Hopefully in 2.2 they will let you change the launch bar and the drawer to the 3D scrolling one. Also hope they change the lock screen. Anyways, thanks for the replies everyone.
Whiterin said:
Yeah, I have just seen a few places saying the Nexus One as well as other phones that currently have 512 RAM should have 576 available in 2.2. Like you said though, most of it is guess work, so hard to tell how accurate that is. Hopefully in 2.2 they will let you change the launch bar and the drawer to the 3D scrolling one. Also hope they change the lock screen. Anyways, thanks for the replies everyone.
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I don't see how that's possible re: upping the N1's memory. Unless it already has 576MB of physical RAM, only 512MB of which is active. Which seems incredibly unlikely.
Unless somebody knows differently, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that whoever said that was either misinformed or a liar
I'm no expert though, so I could be wrong.
Whiterin said:
Yeah, I have just seen a few places saying the Nexus One as well as other phones that currently have 512 RAM should have 576 available in 2.2. Like you said though, most of it is guess work, so hard to tell how accurate that is. Hopefully in 2.2 they will let you change the launch bar and the drawer to the 3D scrolling one. Also hope they change the lock screen. Anyways, thanks for the replies everyone.
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That's impossible. The Nexus One was released with 512MB and no update will increase that amount.
Hmm, perhaps it was a mistake from whoever wrote the article then.
is there a possibility that the nexus 1 does have a 576 chip in it? I understand on the spec sheet it says 512mb, but seeing how the desire and nexus are the same device packaged differently, it wouldn't surprise me if there is an extra 64mb of RAM not currently being used.
It would be great for some one who really knows to actually confirm that the nexus really only has 512mb inside.
Why would it not have 64mb less? It's not like the Desire has an actual extra mic. And it has an optical trackpad. There are differences, just like the RAM.
And most importantly, why wouldn't the specs say it has 64mb extra. And why not use those 64mb extra? It seems to me it would be quite stupid not to mention ánd use it when it's actually in the device.
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is there a possibility that the nexus 1 does have a 576 chip in it? I understand on the spec sheet it says 512mb, but seeing how the desire and nexus are the same device packaged differently, it wouldn't surprise me if there is an extra 64mb of RAM not currently being used.
It would be great for some one who really knows to actually confirm that the nexus really only has 512mb inside.
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No it definitley only has 512MB of ram, why wouldn't they enable the extra 64MB? They are similar devices but by no means the exact same.
Why would it not have 64mb less? It's not like the Desire has an actual extra mic. And it has an optical trackpad. There are differences, just like the RAM.
And most importantly, why wouldn't the specs say it has 64mb extra. And why not use those 64mb extra? It seems to me it would be quite stupid not to mention ánd use it when it's actually in the device.
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Well Google/HTC are stupid then aren't they. they didn't mention the nexus ones FM radio capability, HTC forgot to mention the Desires wireless N radio. from a production point of view its easier to keep the PCBs the same with the same chips, peripherals like track pads and microphones are easy to add/remove.
it honestly wouldn't surprise me, from experience. this is why I want some one to really confirm this.
well... i just came from Evo4G and im very new with samsung with android..
i didn't bother to check when i first got the phone but right after my rooting process and installation of Miui 1.9.2, i installed perfect system monitor app and put the widget on my main screen and it showed 345mb of ram and only had 49mb free ram..
i was like WTF!! but is this normal? i thought NS4G came with 512mb?
is there a fix?
i do believe the Nexus comes with 512 ram. sounds like theres some setting displaying wrongly
It does have 512 RAM
I've read about this very issue on other forums before.
Some people speculated that it limited the RAM on purpose because the OS doesn't need it all and later versions of the OS would need it.
But ultimately I saw someone post that said that the GPU requires a certain amount of RAM, and so it is almost like partitioned and is unavailable for the rest of the system.
Development? Nope. Thread closed.
And for the record, Irrowley is correct. It is allocated to the SGX 540.
lrrowley said:
I've read about this very issue on other forums before.
Some people speculated that it limited the RAM on purpose because the OS doesn't need it all and later versions of the OS would need it.
But ultimately I saw someone post that said that the GPU requires a certain amount of RAM, and so it is almost like partitioned and is unavailable for the rest of the system.
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Hello @ all,
as you might know we have only 343MB of RAM available to the user on our Arcs, but we have a total of 512MB RAM.
I did some research and found out that the most phones with 512MB RAM have 370-400MB or even more RAM out of the 512MB available to the user.
I know that there is something reserved for the system, but normally it's less.
But sometimes I'd really like to have a few MB more RAM available when I do multitasking or a lot of stuff is running.
So the question is if we can unlock more RAM for us and an even better user experience? And if yes, how to do it.
Regards,
Flo
May be a mix from a swap partition and the supercharger script is the right for you
The supercharge script optimize the memory management of android
Already have SuperCharger V6 installed.
Does a really great job and fixed the problem with LauncherPro Plus redrawing often.
But still I'd like to have more RAM available...
For example the X10 with 384MB has ~280MB available, so we should have ~410MB available on the Arc. And not just 60MB more...
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Flo95 said:
Hello @ all,
as you might know we have only 343MB of RAM available to the user on our Arcs, but we have a total of 512MB RAM.
I did some research and found out that the most phones with 512MB RAM have 370-400MB or even more RAM out of the 512MB available to the user.
I know that there is something reserved for the system, but normally it's less.
But sometimes I'd really like to have a few MB more RAM available when I do multitasking or a lot of stuff is running.
So the question is if we can unlock more RAM for us and an even better user experience? And if yes, how to do it.
Regards,
Flo
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No you can not unlock the RAM or ROM for further use, you however can optimize it by using external scripts and the reason for 343 megs being available is because around 150-170(approx) megs of RAM is being used by the graphics (GPU).... u did not account for that now did u... . Now maybe just maybe u can use a custom made kernel to squeeze some more juice out of the RAM...but no major RAM increase
Ah, okay.
But somehow it's possible.
Today I saw a review of a custom ROM on youtube for an Evo 3D...
And other phones with the same GPU have less memory reserved.
E.g. Desire HD, Desire Z
Strange that SE reserves that much
Flo95 said:
Ah, okay.
But somehow it's possible.
Today I saw a review of a custom ROM on youtube for an Evo 3D...
And other phones with the same GPU have less memory reserved.
E.g. Desire HD, Desire Z
Strange that SE reserves that much
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Your phone reserves memory for hardware, camera for example. It works the same way as reserved memory for integrated graphics on computers. We have HD recording in the arc now that has to come from somewhere, and just where would that place be?........the RAM. SE has tried very hard to squeeze in some very good features into the arc and that's why I guess they made a trade off with the RAM, and all these features require RAM and its not a luxury that SE has to reserve all that RAM but a necessity so we users can enjoy some great HD recording and amazing resolution.
One more thing even though the Desire HD and Xperia Arc do share the same processor (MSM8255 SnapDragon) the HTC Desire HD has 768 MB RAM and 1.5 GB of internal flash memory data storage and the Desire Z on the other hand uses a MSM7230 SnapDragon even though the GPU is the same the processors differ the MSM8255 is 1GHz and the MSM7230 is 800MHZ and in the overall equation of memory reserving other than the GPU the CPU has its part to play too and a very imp one...hope ur getting the idea and the GPU in the MSM8255 is a marked improvement over the GPU the 'Z' has. Now even though HD does have lesser memory reserved its not that big a difference. However on the arc, the camera is way much better than on the HD (camera-->RAM) so SE has used some more memory for better features.
I think everybody want to have more ram and more ram
but only thing that we can do is tweaking our system again and again.
I´am for example using the supercharger v6 option 4 and a swap partition and its great to see some improfment
I am looking for tweaks all the days but i am not so good in android so it need time
Ok, then.
If it has to be like that...
Just want to get the optimum out of my Arc.
Maybe a dev will come with a kernel that unlocks just a little bit more with keeping all the features
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Hello,
Everywhere I read on the interwebz, the Gnex is advertised as having 1Gb of RAM, yet in my "About Phone" menu it says it has 693 Mb of RAM.
Anyone care to enlighten me on this topic?
PS: sorry if this has been discussed already in this section, and here I am, asking again.
The actual size is 1 GB. But 300-400MB are used by system, GPU and such, that's why only 600-700 are available for the user. Hope that answers your question
Swyped on my Galaxy Nexus running AOKP with Franco Kernel, overclocked to 1.4GHz
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After I updated my phone to 4.1 i'm only showing 1.56GB of ram in the task manager app. Has anyone else had this problem?
I did notice that I lost a large chunk of free ram... 4.0.4, I used to consistently have about 1 gig free, now I stay around 500-600 megs free
I've noticed this with any 4.1 rom with touchwiz and bloatware.
It's much better using a custom 4.1 TW rom (bacon!!) with some bloatware removed.
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I sent an email to Samsung just now. Let's see what they say.
Anyway, this is def. NOT natural. If you bring up a terminal console and type "free" you will see it state that your phone only has 1.5 gigs of ram.
I'm wondering of project butter is using 500 megs of ram to do the speedup we're seeing...
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My take-away is that they did, in fact, use the extra 512megs for a new application that is part of the enhancement. My guess is butter.
Its most likely just the system using that RAM, like pretty much every android phone on the planet
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Wow. Big difference. I'm seeing the same.
I never thought 2GB would get so low available so quick.
Who cares, really?
I'd rather have my 2Gb completely filled up as it's most likely just cached applications anyway.
If need be, this memory will be released anyway by Android's garbage collector.
On the other hand, history shows us that every new iteration of Android needs more RAM, so that's kinda expected.
My GS1 only has 512Mb which is more than enough if running Android 2.x (Eclair, Froyo & Gingerbread) but rapidly falls short RAM if running ICS.
HiKsFiles said:
Who cares, really?
I'd rather have my 2Gb completely filled up as it's most likely just cached applications anyway.
If need be, this memory will be released anyway by Android's garbage collector.
On the other hand, history shows us that every new iteration of Android needs more RAM, so that's kinda expected.
My GS1 only has 512Mb which is more than enough if running Android 2.x (Eclair, Froyo & Gingerbread) but rapidly falls short RAM if running ICS.
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free memory is waisted memory for some. I disagree when it comes to devices using a battery. Processes use memory and battery life...
I hate to see apps running in background even when I didn't use them since the last reboot. Self running apps grabbing infos about me suck. If Google dont want to stop these behaviors then its time for a new OS.
My next phone ?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG3tLxEQEdg&feature=colike
Bagbug said:
free memory is waisted memory for some. I disagree when it comes to devices using a battery. Processes use memory and battery life...
I hate to see apps running in background even when I didn't use them since the last reboot. Self running apps grabbing infos about me suck. If Google dont want to stop these behaviors then its time for a new OS.
My next phone ?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG3tLxEQEdg&feature=colike
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You got it wrong.
Cached apps in memory do not actually run.
They are just left there so that they can start more quickly the next time you use them.
Bagbug said:
free memory is waisted memory for some. I disagree when it comes to devices using a battery. Processes use memory and battery life...
I hate to see apps running in background even when I didn't use them since the last reboot. Self running apps grabbing infos about me suck. If Google dont want to stop these behaviors then its time for a new OS.
My next phone ?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG3tLxEQEdg&feature=colike
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RAM has to refresh whether it is used or not. The RAM has no idea if a particular bit is used or not.
The last ICS update also lowered the RAM to 1.59GB. I believe it has to do with how much RAM is assigned to the GPU. It is normal.
HiKsFiles said:
Who cares, really?
I'd rather have my 2Gb completely filled up as it's most likely just cached applications anyway.
If need be, this memory will be released anyway by Android's garbage collector.
On the other hand, history shows us that every new iteration of Android needs more RAM, so that's kinda expected.
My GS1 only has 512Mb which is more than enough if running Android 2.x (Eclair, Froyo & Gingerbread) but rapidly falls short RAM if running ICS.
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I only care because of my past experience: the more apps I load, the more memory gets used, and the slower it runs. I tend to use a log of apps. Memory was a struggle on the ole' Captivate.
I want this phone to perform good for a while.
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I only care because of my past experience: the more apps I load, the more memory gets used, and the slower it runs. I tend to use a log of apps. Memory was a struggle on the ole' Captivate.
I want this phone to perform good for a while.
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well then just close off some apps, I've never had a problem memory on this phone at all yet
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My ram dropped to 1.59 since before Jellybean
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Actually my first s3 when it released had 1.89 of ram but I sold it. This one I bought on black Friday only has 1.59
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I'm curious what the International phones have since they only started with 1g
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If you dont want any back ground processes go to the developer options and limit the number of background processes
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