I just got my new 2150 mAh battery in today. Phone is off right now, with the new battery in it charging. Now I wiped the battery stats before I threw the new battery in, but should I do it again after the new battery has a full charge and I turn it on for the first time???
There has been a lot of vapor regarding battery stats. I have seen it claimed that stats (which to my mind only report things that have happened) can influence future battery performance.
That makes no sense to me whatsoever.
I do it with every install, just to do it, dont know what effect it has, but i never have issues with roms or kernels. Just my $.02.
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The most widespread theory is you should first charge it all the way up, bump charge it once more, then clear the battery stats. You should then proceed to let the battery drain all the way down to 0, and when you recharge the software should charge the battery to a fuller amount.
Of course I don't know how much truth that actually has. I know when I did that, the next day wasn't great, but everyday after that for the next few days got marginally better (less of a drop in the morning).
As far as i understand it (i'm not an expert, just read a LOT of threads) wiping the battery stats won't have any effect on how well the battery charges - it just helps the phone report an accurate percentage as the battery discharges
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So.... following Mikey1022's thread crusade, I'm almost hesitant to post this here, but I feel like I'm going to get the most accurate answer from the people in this forum vs general...
On Cyanogens site, I found this for Battery Recalibration:
Battery recalibration
If you're experiencing higher than normal battery drain, try the following:
1. Charge the phone to full battery; let it keep charging until the battery says it is fully charged. Do not wait until the light is green, it isn't always fully charged, causing a lot of inaccuracies. (You can check by going to: Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> Battery Level = Full.)
2. Boot to recovery mode and go to console (or adb shell) and type:
mount -a
rm /data/system/batterystats.bin
NOTE: Newer Amon_Ra recoveries have an option to delete the battery stats, do this in place of the console commands above.
NOTE: To have the most accurate of battery stats, reboot the phone immediately after wiping the battery stats and wait for CM to boot completely to the desktop. Once your entire boot is done and you have full access to the phone, go ahead and pull the charger and continue with this troubleshooter.
1. Do not charge the phone until after draining the battery completely, resulting in it automatically shutting off.
2. Recharge the phone completely and then use as you normally would.
SO I'm at work, and don't have the option to check this, but unlike "hardware" battery calibration I'm mostly curious about removing the batterystats.bin
Would it help us with our battery woes, or do ours go deeper? For some reason, I noticed that mine's been draining a LOT faster in the past month or so then before...
Any thought?
This belongs in the general area?
I really don't think there's a magic forumula for these LIPO batteries. Unless you have a bad battery, you like numerous others need to join the battery 12 step program. I've already been through it. "Hello, my name is Sean and I'm obsessed with my battery life."
Long story short, just keep charge the battery when it gets low. If you work near an outlet or computer, and sleep near one - it's quite easy to keep the battery up throughout the day.
FYI, I've read up on this a bit regarding laptop batteries. It has nothing to do with the actual battery life or the "memory effect" (these batteries don't have a memory effect). It has to do with the OS's interpretation of the battery's performance and how it is reported to the user. So you're really recalibrating Android, not the physical battery. As far as I've read, this only "needs" to be done once in a great while, once a year maybe. Or if you notice something really odd with the battery level reporting.
I did this this morning as well since my phone was fully charged and ready to try it. Not had any hugely bad side effects from the phone and new battery (1750), but we will see if this changes anything.
wraithdu said:
FYI, I've read up on this a bit regarding laptop batteries. It has nothing to do with the actual battery life or the "memory effect" (these batteries don't have a memory effect). It has to do with the OS's interpretation of the battery's performance and how it is reported to the user. So you're really recalibrating Android, not the physical battery. As far as I've read, this only "needs" to be done once in a great while, once a year maybe. Or if you notice something really odd with the battery level reporting.
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Well, actually, that's why I put it in the development forum. These instructions are telling us to remove things from the system. Also on that note, my battery went from being at 30% full by 10pm (fully charged in the morning) to 30% full by 3pm (YES, 3) so something is definitely wrong, not just "I am obsessed with my battery life". Mind you, I'm at work until 2, so my phone drains to 30% on IDLE, with screen off. I was thinking maybe Android is misinterpreting something? I removed all programs that I thought might be causing this, turned off wifi, bt, gps, still no go. Maybe bad battery?
What I'm thinking this may help with is the fully charged issue the incredible has. I wouldn't follow the above instructions exactly however. Let me explain.
If you've ever noticed, the OS doesn't report "fully charged" correctly. Charge your battery to full (where both the green light comes on AND the "about phone" battery status says "Full". Now shut your phone off, you'll notice your light turns orange again, and will charge for about 30 minutes, sometimes more depending on how far off the battery is. If you turn on your phone after this, you'll notice you stay at 100% for quite some time. This is the case with a lot of incredibles from what I've seen... It probably has to do with the calibration notated above.
I would say do the calibration noted above, however, charge it the way I just noted (charge to full, shut the phone off, let it finish charging to full...). Then follow the rest of the steps immediately following. Might make a difference.
EDIT: this is probably even more true for the 1750mAh battery.
calibration and such has been discussed but not under its own name on page 3 i explain abit about the lithim ion battery vs nickel cadium.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695472
junjlo said:
calibration and such has been discussed but not under its own name on page 3 i explain abit about the lithim ion battery vs nickel cadium.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695472
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I was witness to that thread, and yes, you are correct, Lithium Ion batteries do not need to be conditioned, it is useless... However, we are not talking of conditioning, we are talking of proper reporting of battery life through the OS, which IS how Lithium Ion memory works. This is not saying to Cycle your battery 3 times to "condition" it to full potential. It is stating that the OS is not properly calibrated to report the proper life of the battery. If the OS cuts the charging of a Lithium Ion battery because it "thinks" it is at 100% charge, while the battery itself is at 80% (just a random example), then your battery life is going to appear to be shorter than it should. The example posted above would theoretically reset the OS so that when it says the battery is at 100%, it indeed is at 100%, preventing it from cutting a charge before it should. See my post previous post if you are confused. "Conditioning" is an entirely different animal, in which you "train" the batteries memory (in Nickel cad batteries) before utilizing your battery in normal charging operations. Lithium Ion does not have this memory, making "Conditioning" useless.
Moral to the Story here is to fully charge your phone when its off and you don't have to deal with any of these work arounds. Am I right?
buy a second battery and an external charger. I do this with every phone and I always seam to get battery life that is on the high side of what people report
Thank you for correcting that was bit early in the morning thought it was same question.
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I'm trying this and I've seen an improvement already on the stock battery. Been off charge for 8hrs and 13 mins and is still at 70% charge. Figures it holds a charge when you want to run it down!
jermaine151 said:
I'm trying this and I've seen an improvement already on the stock battery. Been off charge for 8hrs and 13 mins and is still at 70% charge. Figures it holds a charge when you want to run it down!
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What, exactly, are you trying that's giving the improvement? The OP's suggestion of booting into recovery and deleting battery stats, or the other common suggestion of turning phone off for the remainder of the charge? 70% after over 8 hours is FAR better than I'm seeing, and I'd like to see the same results.
alexdw369 said:
What, exactly, are you trying that's giving the improvement? The OP's suggestion of booting into recovery and deleting battery stats, or the other common suggestion of turning phone off for the remainder of the charge? 70% after over 8 hours is FAR better than I'm seeing, and I'd like to see the same results.
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I charged with the phone off, then went into recovery and deleted the battery stats file. Now I'm trying to discharge it completely.
jermaine151 said:
I charged with the phone off, then went into recovery and deleted the battery stats file. Now I'm trying to discharge it completely.
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I am doing the same. Will follow up with results in a few days.
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What, exactly, are you trying that's giving the improvement? The OP's suggestion of booting into recovery and deleting battery stats, or the other common suggestion of turning phone off for the remainder of the charge? 70% after over 8 hours is FAR better than I'm seeing, and I'd like to see the same results.
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That's awesome! That's great battery life. I might have to try this.
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EM30996 said:
That's awesome! That's great battery life. I might have to try this.
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Trying it myself tonight. Will post results tomorrow.
I'm trying it to. I will post results.
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Just tried this method, fully charging the phone when it's off then wiping the battery stats. Hoping it'll fix the annoying problem that the battery doesn't fully charge when the phone is on, although I'm not sure if it even can be fixed -- does anyone know?
I'll update if I remember next time I charge it.
Giving a try
Hey guys. I am also giving this a try today.
I just completely charged my battery last night with it off. This morning I unplugged the charger (while the phone was still off) and plugged back in to make sure that the battery was fully charged. The green light turned orange for a couple of minutes and back to green so I proceeded to boot to recovery and removed the battery file. I am also running a Seidio 1750mah.
I am now up and running. I will post later this afternoon to let you know how it's going.
If this fixes the weird battery bug where the Incredible doesn't charge fully, I will kiss the OP. Seriously.
I've gotten my seidio extended battery and have never really tested it to its limits. I would like to have it functioning optimally. I have the app "Battery Monitor" installed which can calculate the percentage left via the voltage as opposed to the stock battery indicator. I am currently showing 57% via the voltage monitor and 35% via the stock monitor. I have found that my battery can drop to ~1% (according to the stock indicator) however the voltage indicator would be at something like ~30%...my phone would turn itself off at that point in time and I would not be able to take advantage of the reported battery....I have followed directions from: droidxforums.com/forum/droid-x-general-discussion/18216-disable-low-battery-warning.html...I bootstrapped and reset the battery...but nothing. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience in this or could help me out.
Thank you.
I think if you go into the screen where you clear the Dalvik Cache in the recovery menu there's a battery settings function. If i've read some of these posts correctly, that calibrates the phone to the battery. basically re-adjusts the 0-100 range on the phone.
You need to do this when the battery is fully charged.
Draining your battery all the way down will destroy your batteries capability of holding a charge in the future.
Your phone is suppose to only charge to ~90% and cut off at ~10%.
Ultimately this means you are only using 80% of your battery, but it's how Li-Ion batteries works.
If you truly drain it all the way down you ruin the battery.
There are some things you can do to recalibrate the software that determines the charge level of the battery though, like the above post suggests.
I don't know if you're running a custom ROM, but if you are or aren't you should definitely check into changing your phones Kernal to Chad's or IncrediKernals. They drastically improve battery life.
For me, it gave massive improvements for 'screen off' (1% depletion every 1 hour) and significant improvements when using the phone.
Of course I'm using the HTC extended battery, but that was much better than the 3-5% per hour I got before.
hello,
please tell me what's wrong with my xda iis. when the power below 75% and i activated wifi/camera/any apps, oftenly it turn off by itself. also, it often signal loss or cannot make/receive calls. thanxs
i have flashed multiple Roms, and i will admit i have never went through with the FULL battery calibration, but one thing i have gotten after each rom/kernal install is, after charging full, and wiping battery stats, it seems with just little usage my gnex drops so fast, even with screen down, on wifi, just texting...i can literyly watch the battery drop.
is this normal since it has not been fully calibrated? if i let it completey die after wiping battery stats, will the battery drop significanly slower? i has tested this with both batterys, ext, and standard
THIS is my ONLY gripe and the ONLY reason i would return it..
Thanks..
If you're basing your battery off of the first few discharges after a rom install.. it is bound to be pretty bad. You can just go from full to empty and then charge to 100 to calibrate it.
dvigue said:
i have flashed multiple Roms, and i will admit i have never went through with the FULL battery calibration, but one thing i have gotten after each rom/kernal install is, after charging full, and wiping battery stats, it seems with just little usage my gnex drops so fast, even with screen down, on wifi, just texting...i can literyly watch the battery drop.
is this normal since it has not been fully calibrated? if i let it completey die after wiping battery stats, will the battery drop significanly slower? i has tested this with both batterys, ext, and standard
THIS is my ONLY gripe and the ONLY reason i would return it..
Thanks..
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That doesn't seem normal. I'm getting as good battery life as you can ask for with this giant screen. I recommend checking out the android revolution thread in the development section. Mike has posted a few links to threads that really detail how to maximize battery life. You may see your battery life increase after a week or so of usage. Good luck.
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I bought a new battery today, a Chinese knock-off battery which claims to have a capacity over 2000. I live in Mongolia, so that's basically my only option if I want a replacement battery, since there's basically no postal system here.
When I first put in the battery, it showed a 59% charge. After a few minutes and maybe a reboot, it showed a 20% charge. It consistently drained down to zero, and I'm charging it now.
I've experienced really strange battery drain with the former battery (also a Chinese knock-off) where it loses maybe 10 percent an hour on idle, so I figured the battery needs to be replaced. Is there anything I can do to calibrate it? I have a feeling that the charge is actually more than is being shown, but no way to confirm my suspicions. Am I right just to try to charge it to 100% and discharge it to 0% until the battery life gets better, or is there something else to do? I should mention I've tried resetting the battery stats in CWM with no real effect.
Thanks from Mongolia.
Go into recovery when battery is at 100% and go to advanced then clear battery stats or download battery config for rooted devices and clear battery stats that way.
Nelinski said:
Go into recovery when battery is at 100% and go to advanced then clear battery stats or download battery config for rooted devices and clear battery stats that way.
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Clearing battery stats achieves nothing other than deleting the stats on the what has been using battery power. Battery calibration isn't required on our phones.
duraaraa said:
I bought a new battery today, a Chinese knock-off battery which claims to have a capacity over 2000. I live in Mongolia, so that's basically my only option if I want a replacement battery, since there's basically no postal system here.
When I first put in the battery, it showed a 59% charge. After a few minutes and maybe a reboot, it showed a 20% charge. It consistently drained down to zero, and I'm charging it now.
I've experienced really strange battery drain with the former battery (also a Chinese knock-off) where it loses maybe 10 percent an hour on idle, so I figured the battery needs to be replaced. Is there anything I can do to calibrate it? I have a feeling that the charge is actually more than is being shown, but no way to confirm my suspicions. Am I right just to try to charge it to 100% and discharge it to 0% until the battery life gets better, or is there something else to do? I should mention I've tried resetting the battery stats in CWM with no real effect.
Thanks from Mongolia.
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if you want to increase battery life for your new battery, charge it fully to 100% whenever you charge it will increase charge storing capacity of the battery
duraaraa said:
I bought a new battery today, a Chinese knock-off battery which claims to have a capacity over 2000. I live in Mongolia, so that's basically my only option if I want a replacement battery, since there's basically no postal system here.
When I first put in the battery, it showed a 59% charge. After a few minutes and maybe a reboot, it showed a 20% charge. It consistently drained down to zero, and I'm charging it now.
I've experienced really strange battery drain with the former battery (also a Chinese knock-off) where it loses maybe 10 percent an hour on idle, so I figured the battery needs to be replaced. Is there anything I can do to calibrate it? I have a feeling that the charge is actually more than is being shown, but no way to confirm my suspicions. Am I right just to try to charge it to 100% and discharge it to 0% until the battery life gets better, or is there something else to do? I should mention I've tried resetting the battery stats in CWM with no real effect.
Thanks from Mongolia.
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See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1312273
Never, ever I repeat never let your battery drop below around 5%, and always charge it before it reaches zero. I use the Guage Battery widget v3 pro as it is very accurate, but you can also get the free version. You can & should use the free battery calibration tool from the Google play store, simply install it & charge the battery to 100% then run the calibration App. simples
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After doing a full discharge and a full recharge. My battery is doing amazing. I don't know if I should be doing this every day? What do you guys think. I thought it was April 5th update but it was not. Any suggestions?
bradmill08 said:
After doing a full discharge and a full recharge. My battery is doing amazing. I don't know if I should be doing this every day? What do you guys think. I thought it was April 5th update but it was not. Any suggestions?
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You basically let the system calibrate the battery, which I do as well from time to time. I typically go to about 20% then charge to 90-100% Seems to work fine for me :good:
bradmill08 said:
After doing a full discharge and a full recharge. My battery is doing amazing. I don't know if I should be doing this every day? What do you guys think. I thought it was April 5th update but it was not. Any suggestions?
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Badger50 said:
You basically let the system calibrate the battery, which I do as well from time to time. I typically go to about 20% then charge to 90-100% Seems to work fine for me :good:
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I must admit, I still do this every now and then. Though it's up for debate as to the necessity to do it, but my OCD tells me too - especially after flashing a new rom. I'll then let it fully discharge, reboot a couple times until its completely empty, give it a full uninterrupted charge then use a battery calibration app to wipe clean the battery stats app. As mentioned, there'll be some people (rightly or wrongly) who'll disagree with this method with arguments saying that its bad for the battery and/or that the android system is intelligent enough to handle this by itself, which may indeed be true (e.g. perhaps not supposed to drain fully at risk of this being bad for the battery etc.). Though having saying this, I not only feel better for doing so but I, across many devices with this Pixel 2 XL included, experience great battery life throughout the lifespan of me having it.
I don't use any battery calibration apps or anything I don't root my phone at all. I used to do rooting but with stock Android it works awesome without rooting in my opinion.
Wow my phones battery life is amazing now after letting it completely die and charge back up. I am at 90% after almost 6 hours!
Isn't this a bad practice for battery health?
Prattham said:
Isn't this a bad practice for battery health?
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Yeah, it's not recommended to let Li-ion batteries drain completely too often or keep them charged at more than 80-85% for extended periods of time without using them. That's pretty much the reason why phones aren't fully charged when you buy them.
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Battery technology and charging circuits are pretty advanced these days that it should not make any difference doing a full charge cycle, which if anything is not good for the battery. The battery capacity with lithium chemistry is mostly measured by voltage, it's not very precise at full capacities, but as the battery level falls it becomes a more reliable indicator.
I suspect all that is happening is on a full charge cycle, the stresses involved to the battery and effort of the charging circuit pushing a high current into it, is causing the battery voltage to peak higher and remain a bit higher whilst it is full. This has the side effect of causing the battery gauge to read higher for longer, however it will simply even out and drop more quickly as the battery capacity falls, the end result is it doesn't run for any longer, put just feels like it is doing better as the top end of the gauge isn't reading a drop quite as quickly.
The other thing that can cause a seemingly better battery drain is at what time we disconnect the charger when it reads 100%. Typically it will read 100% before it has actually finished charging. This happens as to get from a real capacity of say 90% up to 100% takes a longer time, and it's all about the impression of fast charging these days. Also when the phone is left charging, it will charge and then discharge, then top up, then discharge until its off the charger, as you can't leave the battery continuously trickle charging, and so that it doesn't look broken if we've left it on charge all day and it only reads 95% because a couple of hours ago it stopped charging and is in a run down phase before topping up again, the gauge is set to read 100% even if it is lower.
In other words there is extra capacity in the battery above what we are told is 100% and depending on when we take it from the charger, we might have 105%.
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Phil
Thank you all for your answers! They are really helpful