I know nothing about kernels, so if sense kernels can't do smartass just ignore my ignorance :/
I've checked the kernel thread, but sense kernels seem to be lacking. And the best it seems with multi touch seems to be lou #7
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I know nothing about kernels, so if sense kernels can't do smartass just ignore my ignorance :/
I've checked the kernel thread, but sense kernels seem to be lacking. And the best it seems with multi touch seems to be lou #7
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Here's at least another alternative : http://www.ziggy471.com/
Ziggy's support BFS, HAVS, and the older schedulers as well. I don't know about more multi-touch than 2 since my digitizer only supports 2, but the kernel itself supports ~5 I think. I'm using this one:
http://www.ziggy471.com/downloads/ztest-INC-BFS-012111.zip
with my own 'lowered' voltage startup setting script. It is solid, and has the feature(s) I like without wasting too much space on loadable modules, like tunneling, & rndis (wired tether), and all the usual things everyone has. Will overclock & undervolt or (underclock & overvolt) --
I doubt if any kernel actually saves you a lot of battery since that's more likely about everything else, but lower voltage, if it is stable, is perhaps a step in the right direction. It does require a cpu that'll handle it, which is a total crap-shoot.
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Is the kernel included with Skyraider Athena 1.2 the stock kernel? I've not noticed any improvements with using SetCPU (the clock speed doesn't reduce per my moving the sliders, SetCPU tells me perflock doesn't need disabling) and I was wondering if there needed to be a kernel change of some sort. I saw the Ziggy kernels linked but there was very little about what they included. Can kernels be flashed at will aside from a Nandroid backup (i.e. no need to wipe caches,etc)
Thanks in advance
I Love Ziggy's kernels for their speed and stability. Just be careful, OC past 1190 is dangerous.
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I'm looking for battery life w/o too much loss in daily use..Incredikernel seems rated well
The kernel that comes with Skyraider Athena is the stock kernel. I have yet to flash a kernel on top of this rom though.
My SetCPU has only about 3-4 different frequency options between 806Mhz and 245 MHz. Is there any way to increase the number of options between these two frequencies?
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My SetCPU has only about 3-4 different frequency options between 806Mhz and 245 MHz. Is there any way to increase the number of options between these two frequencies?
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U have to root your phone and flash some ROMs depending on which type of rom do you like, it comes with kernels for overclocking or you can flash one if you want to. Rooted stock rom doesn't have any compatible kernels it breaks some stuff so you really need to use a different rom..
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U have to root your phone and flash some ROMs depending on which type of rom do you like, it comes with kernels for overclocking or you can flash one if you want to. Rooted stock rom doesn't have any compatible kernels it breaks some stuff so you really need to use a different rom..
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Well if he's using SetCPU then he's already rooted, so he's got that covered.
OP as jojo stated, you need a custom kernel to allow overclocking. A lot of people seem to be fond of Pershoot's OC kernels, but I personally just use the one thats included with CM6 and now CM7. It allows an overclock up to 1.5ghz.
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Well if he's using SetCPU then he's already rooted, so he's got that covered.
OP as jojo stated, you need a custom kernel to allow overclocking. A lot of people seem to be fond of Pershoot's OC kernels, but I personally just use the one thats included with CM6 and now CM7. It allows an overclock up to 1.5ghz.
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I think he's wanting to know how to add more underclock frequencies. It can be done but you have to decompile the kernel in order to do it and also have decent knowledge of voltage tables (since the purpose of underclocking is to save battery power you have to uv also). Probably well beyond most peoples comfort level however, if the op still wants to attempt it are numerous threads with info - just search for something like 'creating a custom kernel' or 'make a kernal'. One of them is located in the G2 development forum.
Oh ok thanks guys. Yeah, I have Pershoot's kernel so that is not a problem. I was trying to include more underclock frequencies, but if that means editing or creating my own kernel then forget it lol, I'm no expert on that.
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Oh ok thanks guys. Yeah, I have Pershoot's kernel so that is not a problem. I was trying to include more underclock frequencies, but if that means editing or creating my own kernel then forget it lol, I'm no expert on that.
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There's a turbo ROM that can deep fry your G2 to 1.8ghz, and it has a lot more frequencies below 806.
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Im good on everything else except when it comes the CPU thing. I have no idea what the numbers mean when you set the CPU for some reason. To slow the phones resources when the screen is off right? Can anyone point me to the direction of an app that can do this? What about an app that turns the data off once I turn the screens off. A free one. Thank you and sorry if Im not making sense or sounding dumb
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Im good on everything else except when it comes the CPU thing. I have no idea what the numbers mean when you set the CPU for some reason. To slow the phones resources when the screen is off right? Can anyone point me to the direction of an app that can do this? What about an app that turns the data off once I turn the screens off. A free one. Thank you and sorry if Im not making sense or sounding dumb
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SetCPU can modify the processor speed and allow you to set a profiles. However, you're running Tiamat so if you haven't changed anything your default governor is smartass which has a built in screen off profile of 128min/384max.
As far as turning data off, check out ultimatejuice. There is a free version that is limited in what it does, but it might be worth paying for. Also, for battery saving, check out my EVO link in my sig for some undervolting mods.
You can set the cpu governor with a program called setCPU on the marketplace. You can further control the CPU by flashing another kernel. What ROM are you running? Stock? I would try the netarchy kernel (newest version) if you're running a sense-based ROM.. I've found it has phenomenal battery life (medium use i get 15-20hrs) and I'm overclocked to 1.152ghz.
A program called tasker can also make your data connection go off and back on with the screen. I'm unsure how to set the profile but I do know thats possible. Try looking around here: http://tasker.wikidot.com You should be able to find something about it.
EDIT: Nevermind about netarchy, did not see your signature on your ROM and kernel.
ok, so ur on aosp and tiamat. try changing governer to smartass. will give you much better battery life, and you won't have to worry about 'numbers'.
btw the numbers are the cycles per second, or the speed the cpu works at. i personally underclock to 537 (998 is stock) to save a bunch of battery, and it still runs perfectly fine for me (cm7 with tiamat)
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ok, so ur on aosp and tiamat. try changing governer to smartass. will give you much better battery life, and you won't have to worry about 'numbers'.
btw the numbers are the cycles per second, or the speed the cpu works at. i personally underclock to 537 (998 is stock) to save a bunch of battery, and it still runs perfectly fine for me (cm7 with tiamat)
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Governor is smartass by default on Tiamat
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Governor is smartass by default on Tiamat
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didn't know that. thanks.
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SetCPU can modify the processor speed and allow you to set a profiles. However, you're running Tiamat so if you haven't changed anything your default governor is smartass which has a built in screen off profile of 128min/384max.
As far as turning data off, check out ultimatejuice. There is a free version that is limited in what it does, but it might be worth paying for. Also, for battery saving, check out my EVO link in my sig for some undervolting mods.
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Thanks everybody! ....Viperboy thanks for the info unfortunately I still have lots of questions haha. And yes I already been through all the viper undervoltings, 25 through INSANE! A question I have is with those vipervoltings, I assume they'll show different results depending on which kernel and rom i'm running correct? Plus im pretty much sticking with MIUI....I usually use the 25 vipervolting. Now I'm on tiamat v4.0.3. Are you saying sense I'm using tiamat its already set to smartass, so it'll be unnecessary to use the setcpu app? Also I like savZen to what's the default governor on that? Final question, turning the data off when the screen goes off using ultimatejuice unnecessary if I'm running tiamat? Sorry for the bombarding of questions thanks again
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I think you should not use SetCPU...
Just sayin'....
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I think you should not use SetCPU...
Just sayin'....
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Any reason?
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Thanks everybody! ....Viperboy thanks for the info unfortunately I still have lots of questions haha. And yes I already been through all the viper undervoltings, 25 through INSANE! A question I have is with those vipervoltings, I assume they'll show different results depending on which kernel and rom i'm running correct? Plus im pretty much sticking with MIUI....I usually use the 25 vipervolting. Now I'm on tiamat v4.0.3. Are you saying sense I'm using tiamat its already set to smartass, so it'll be unnecessary to use the setcpu app? Also I like savZen to what's the default governor on that? Final question, turning the data off when the screen goes off using ultimatejuice unnecessary if I'm running tiamat? Sorry for the bombarding of questions thanks again
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Yes, most of the scripts lower by a certain range. So it all depends on the kernel you are running. Some of my scripts (Extreme, Insane, v2 scripts) specify all the voltages so no matter what kernel you're running, it sets the voltages to exact values. If you can go lower than -25 and you're stable, do it!
I find SetCPU unnecessary. I only have it installed because I use it for testing my mods and things, but I that's the only reason. But smartass is good enough for me, no other governors give me as good batter life. Defauly governor on SZ is their own governor (SavagedZen) it's based on interactive, I believe. There is more info on their site.
Tiamat (or any kernel for that matter) don't turn off 3G when the screen is off. You would need an app to do that.
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Any reason?
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Uses a good bit of memory, for one. Two, because the kernels here run pretty good right out of the box.
1, it's useless, and 2, the OP seems like he isn't ready to use it.
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1, it's useless, and 2, the OP seems like he isn't ready to use it.
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Well, it's definitely not useless. It's a great app, I just find no need for it other than testing my mods.
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Well, it's definitely not useless. It's a great app, I just find no need for it other than testing my mods.
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That, I totally agree with, but for he average user, few know how to set it correctly and they end up with a placebo effect, or more problems.
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That, I totally agree with, but for he average user, few know how to set it correctly and they end up with a placebo effect, or more problems.
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I couldn't agree more. Setting up a basic screen off profile with a conservative setting is useful, otherwise it actually gets in the way of already built in kernel benefits, actually undoing them in many cases. I stopped using setcpu a while ago and my battery life has not suffered at all.
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Yes, most of the scripts lower by a certain range. So it all depends on the kernel you are running. Some of my scripts (Extreme, Insane, v2 scripts) specify all the voltages so no matter what kernel you're running, it sets the voltages to exact values. If you can go lower than -25 and you're stable, do it!
I find SetCPU unnecessary. I only have it installed because I use it for testing my mods and things, but I that's the only reason. But smartass is good enough for me, no other governors give me as good batter life. Defauly governor on SZ is their own governor (SavagedZen) it's based on interactive, I believe. There is more info on their site.
Tiamat (or any kernel for that matter) don't turn off 3G when the screen is off. You would need an app to do that.
Uses a good bit of memory, for one. Two, because the kernels here run pretty good right out of the box.
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Thanks viper!
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I am currently using MIUI 1.7.29 Osimood with the Tiamat 1.04 kernel, and I am wondering what the best kernel is for battery life. I am also using the V6 supercharger ram script. I am running my CPU at 960mHz at the moment, using the smartass governer. I also undervolted using vipermod, 960MHz at 950mV.
My choice consists of the latest Pershoot, UmaroKernel 1.06 or Tiamat 1.04
What differences would I see between those kernels, are they noticeable for a regular user?
Sorry man, but wehre do you find the vipermod for desire z? http://vipermod.tiamat-dev.com/faq.php it's not compatibile with desire z/g2....
Uh...what's wrong with the kernel it comes with? Can OC to 1.5GHz stock ya know. Battery life is great with it too. People always want to flash something weather it be a radio or a kernel.
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Spastic909 said:
Uh...what's wrong with the kernel it comes with? Can OC to 1.5GHz stock ya know. Battery life is great with it too. People always want to flash something weather it be a radio or a kernel.
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Isn't flashing stuff and trying new things basicly the point of this whole site?
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Isn't flashing stuff and trying new things basicly the point of this whole site?
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damn straight,
1) pershoot is a sense kernel? (i am proabably wrong but i have never tried this kernel)
2) umaro kernel i found had issues with wifi, high underclock freq (leading to poorer battery life), but fun if you have the time to tweak voltages and fast!
3) tiamat kernel i found had issues with sleep of death/random reboots on wakeup couldnt test it past that. (setcpu was set to screen off was: conservative 125min -345 max and would still crash)
if you are up for another kernel, i am now using this kernel (streamline5)
no voltage tweaking (pretweaked) but it has good batt, speedy and stable cant ask for much
http://forum.androidspin.com/showthread.php/6555-Streamline5-Nightly-CM7-Test-Kernel-2.6.35.13
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damn straight,
1) pershoot is a sense kernel? (i am proabably wrong but i have never tried this kernel)
2) umaro kernel i found had issues with wifi, high underclock freq (leading to poorer battery life), but fun if you have the time to tweak voltages and fast!
3) tiamat kernel i found had issues with sleep of death/random reboots on wakeup couldnt test it past that. (setcpu was set to screen off was: conservative 125min -345 max and would still crash)
if you are up for another kernel, i am now using this kernel (streamline5)
no voltage tweaking (pretweaked) but it has good batt, speedy and stable cant ask for much
http://forum.androidspin.com/showthread.php/6555-Streamline5-Nightly-CM7-Test-Kernel-2.6.35.13
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Pershoot is actually for non-sense roms. The downfall people have with it is lack of governors. Some don't mind, some want variety. I've had great experiences with Pershoot's kernel and it's the baseline that all others are compared to (not to mention the foundation of almost ALL G2/DZ kernels).
Umaro's just needs to have voltage tweaks done manually but on the plus side - keeping the voltages normal (not UV) allows some people to reach higher OC speeds. It keeps the processor from bottoming out due to insufficient voltage which can easily happen when you UV. The main issue is with the Greased lightening governor - it's new and still a bit buggy.
Tiamat 1.0.4 is outstanding. I can sit all day at 2+ GHz (not literally, see: Chernobyl). I personally have an issue with the interactive governor but other than that it's my favorite kernel (Umaro may take that soon, once greased lightening is perfected).
Basically you just need to try out a few and see which you like. There is no 'best'. Most kernels will work with any ROM (Sense being the only exception).
Bumping a thread that is relevant to my interests.
It's about time for me to jump ship from an outdated CM ROM and try something new like a MIUI ROM.
With that said, I'd like to read more opinions & experiences from people using the various Kernels AND how the latest radio (the one released today) is working for them. I'm just trying to get the optimal experience here
Speaking of MIUI would anyone mind telling me some differences between OsiMood's ROM compared to the official MIUI-US ROM (or even DarkSpadez ROM)?
Thanks a ton guys!
I downloaded the official rom . . .then ignored it downloaded osimood and iv been using it since. Osimood is a lighter rom, which is always a good thing, unwanted languages etc are removed for a smaller faster rom. Also he preinstalls tweaks like an adblocker and extended settings mod.
Kernal wise iv been looking for the same info as you but couldn't find it. So I eneded up trying them all:
- Eugenes streamline5 is a nice kernal, preundervolted. Only probly is its not being updated so will become redundant.
-Tiamats kernal allows over clock to 2ghz and seems to support higher overclocks stably where other kernals can't. Except battery life has decreased with recent kernals
-Umarokernal this is the kernal iv come back to twice and am still on. It allows overclock to 1.9ghz and is kept updated by umaro. Performance per frequency seems as good if not better than most and osimoods miui runs smooth with this kernal on 800ghz with scarey governer (which saves battery) Another plus for me with this kernal is the scarey governer which for me definatly provides the best performance per battery ratio.
I'm currently running MIUI 1.8.5 with Eugene-Streamline 5 Kernel with the latest radio update Vision_Radio_12.57.60.25_26.10.04.12.
SetCPU with Governor ondemand provides me with better usage, power and responsive time then Smartass or Interactive.
OC to 1.2ghz
Battery life, about 30hrs with the regular 1350mah.
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I'm currently running MIUI 1.8.5 with Eugene-Streamline 5 Kernel with the latest radio update Vision_Radio_12.57.60.25_26.10.04.12.
SetCPU with Governor ondemand provides me with better usage, power and responsive time then Smartass or Interactive.
OC to 1.2ghz
Battery life, about 30hrs with the regular 1350mah.
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i just got 40 hours with similar setup but i use virtuous o/c daemon instead of setcpu
big fan of streamline5 and hope that it will get updated eventually
How do you get the virtuos o/c daemon?
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How do you get the virtuos o/c daemon?
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Its basically like an automatic setcpu (which can't be changed on the fly) built into the rom, its in virtuous unity roms
What sleep profiles are you guys usein. I seem to have rebooting issues with any kernel I try unless I go to a sense rom. I've tried the vipermod now to see how it goes
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But how do you get the virtuos O/C daemon to work on MIUI?
You can download it threw rom manager. Even with that kernel I get reboot issues. I assume its cause system ram isn't being cleard fast enough. I'm gonna try 100mv increase to see if there's a difference.
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I'm currently running mik3d and in my opinion its the best 3.0 rom out there at the moment. But what's the benefit of using a kernel other than stock? And any suggestions for kernels and how do I flash a custom kernel? Thanks in advance
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I am running MikG (not 3D) but I can address the reasons for running a custom kernel.
- Overclocking: Custom kernels will often allow you to change the max cpu clock to improve performance when you need it.
- Underclock: They also allow you to lower the max clock and the min clock if your aim is to try and improve battery life.
- More Governors to choose from: They will often have other cpu clock governors that can be used to balance battery life vs performance (see here).
- Undervolting: Some kernels will use various schemes to undervolt the CPU as another means to save power.
- HDMI Mirroring: The stock kernel will output a display to the HDMI only from the photo gallery app. The custom kernels can allow full display mirroring to the HDMI. This allows games, netflix, etc to be viewed on the big screen.
- Memory optimizations
There may be more reasons... these are the one from the top of my head.
You flash a kernel much the same way as you do a ROM. From Recovery you would wipe Cache and Dalvik Cache before flashing the ZIP of the kernel. That is it. Some kernels then allow adjustment with programs such as SetCPU.
There are a few kernels that support Gingerbread Sense roms (such as Mik 3D). You can look at Freedom, ChopSuey, Golden Monkey, Poonsense. I am running Freedom and it works well for me.
I just tried adjusting my CPU after installing freedom and my phone froze lol
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im running MikG3d and personally use chopsuey 9.1. it runs perfect I also underclock to 537 and my phone doesnt freeze lol.
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I just tried adjusting my CPU after installing freedom and my phone froze lol
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Some phones do not like to be overclocked. That is normal. You just have to find out what your limits are. Mine actually does not like to be run as low as 128Mhz. When I do that I get boot loops once in a while.