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Like a lot of people on this board i got my T-mobile Desire delivered this morning. I started downloading all my apps from the market place, and noticed some are missing. It's not just paid apps, but free ones as well. Has anyone else noticed this?
I can't find:
Record It (paid)
Battle for Mars (paid)
Tapatalk (paid or free)
and others. Can anyone else see these in the market?
I'm also noticing this but i thought it was just paid apps. Can't find abduction or what the doodle. There's also no top paid option when going through the categories
I'm not at home, typing this from the desire. Might be a good idea to try and install another version of market.apk
It just might be that these applications aren't compatible with Android 2.1 targets.
I don't think it's a compatibility issue. Why would they disable paid apps tab then? There's something fishy going on.
I can't find half of my apps, even the one I've paid for while on G1!
Karolis said:
I don't think it's a compatibility issue. Why would they disable paid apps tab then? There's something fishy going on.
I can't find half of my apps, even the one I've paid for while on G1!
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Those 3 apps you listed are missing from my market place but I still have the 'Top Paid' tab, I don't know why you are missing that but the applications are probably due to compatibility.
I've had this problem before on my hero with some custom roms, never found a way to fix it.
And if i remember correctly when the hero was first launched some people on orange or t-mobile where having problems with missing market apps.
National Rail for UK train enquiries is missing from the market too
I have removed content lock from my t-mobile account and now I get all tabs in the market. But I still can't see certain apps.
Something strange or I am having yet another senior moment.
I went in to Manage my applications and in there is Ringtone Trimmer, I thought I would make me some ringtones, looked for it in programmes and it is not there. I then thought it must be in Marketplace but alas no!! How can I have an application in Manage my applications and yet not have the application????
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Something strange or I am having yet another senior moment.
I went in to Manage my applications and in there is Ringtone Trimmer, I thought I would make me some ringtones, looked for it in programmes and it is not there. I then thought it must be in Marketplace but alas no!! How can I have an application in Manage my applications and yet not have the application????
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Go to the music app, play a song and then try to set it as a ringtone, it will give you the trimming options.
Klaxon is version 427 from the market on my G1, but a much older 310 for the desire....
Im finding this on a few different apps and am not sure why...
I think we have run into this problem before. If I remember rightly (please feel free to correct me if not) it has to do with Google not recognising the phone correctly when you access the store. I believe this is a server sided fix that Google have to do.
Like I said, correct me if I am wrong.
I contacted T Mobile about the issue and they said google approved the rom so the issue must be with the apps / developers.
Great load of help that is. ffs!
aidanbree said:
National Rail for UK train enquiries is missing from the market too
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I noticed the same, can however install it from here: nationalrail . ktbm . com
For non-paid apps its not such a difficulty getting them from elsewhere, and installing via Astro or ADB, but for PAID apps(like klaxon) to be left with an old version - or unable to install at all - its a real pain.
Seems to be a known issue, look at the android marketplace support forum of Google, they are talking about it.
google.com/support/forum/p/Android%20Market/
looks like it will just take time for Google to register the 'fingerprint' of the Desire ROM before we get full access then.....
What a nonsense way to run the Market!
To be fair guys, the Desire isn't even supposed to be released yet.
Wait until it is officially released and if there are still market problems, then you can complain.
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To be fair guys, the Desire isn't even supposed to be released yet.
Wait until it is officially released and if there are still market problems, then you can complain.
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Define 'Officially' - Its available via a reputable company (TMO) and as such should be supported 100%
HTC/TMO and GOOGLE should have had this sorted before it was sent out to customers.
[UPDATED] Android Market Apps I bought for my Hero: Are they "paid for" on my Desire?
Updated April 18, 2010
Now I get it. See Post #6 below. Google's dragging their ass on "fingerprint" approval. They need to be SHAMED virally across the web for sheer incompetence -- or intentional malice toward purchasers of a phone that competes with their Nexus One. "Do No Evil" my ass.
========== My Original Posting =========
I bought maybe 6-7 apps for my hero -- 2 different keyboards, "Executive Assistant", some kind of alarm clock... When on my Hero, even after factory reset and resetting up my phone, when I went to MARKET and "My Downloads", those paid for apps showed up as available to install again on my Hero.
I have been using my Desire -- but thus far only for Wifi as I set it up and get acquainted with the phone. Perhaps stupidly (!) I am still using the Hero as my "phone" til I have all my apps and widgets and layouts replicated on my Desire.
Though I do not have my carrier's SIM card installed in my Desire, 90% of the device works fine, especially all wifi usages, Market downloads, email, web, etc... I did set up my Gmail account as well.
It's one's Gmail account which is your linkage to PAID FOR apps, via Google Checkout. So, I am surprised that when I select "My downloads" i don't see any indication of paid for apps.
Is this tied to a SIM card? (if so seems ridiculous)
RELATED: I can't even find BETTER KEYBOARD app in the Market now, nor "SMART KEYBOARD" ... Does the market auto-filter out apps that do not run on Android 2.1 ?
thank you
the paid apps are tied with your google account.
(no longer relevant)
From what I read, some paid and free apps should appear as soon as google finishes some signature thing related to that! so it's a matter of time.
By the way, do you see paid apps in general? For me, I always had to use Market Enabaler on the Hero to open Market to paid apps.
A temporary solution, you can use your Hero to extract the paid applications (apk files) using Root Explorer, copy them to the Desire SD card and install them using any file manager. The only limitation here is that you have to keep checking for updates on the Hero.
Re: Android Market > Apps I bought for my Hero: Are they "paid for" on my Desire?
as far as I know, and experts correct me if wrong, the ability to get access are directly connected to the sim from which you connect.
which is why market enabler used to spoof the apn's from which paid apps were available.
with no sim card you should only be able to get free apps or nothing at all.
I live in Sweden, no paid apps.
was at friends last night who has an old UK sim card, popped that in and I got access to some paid apps. but still with the limitations as previously discussed in this forum. (waiting for Google to get it straightened out)
so, yes & no, the apps are tied to your sim, cuz it tells the phone which apn/ network your phone is connecting from...
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I just read a few other threads, with links to the official Android Market forums. First off, I have to ask some basic vocabulary:
What are "protected apps" ?
I have no idea what this means.
Second: salahag, thanks for your reply. I didn't respond initially because I didn't understand it at all. Paid apps showed up in my Hero from day 1 and that was for me October 2009. I was baffled because I had no context for even thinking "is everything that's available showing here?" because by default my brain had no reason to pose that question. I just assumed the Market worked one way, and I was seeing everything the way everyone else sees it.
I'm suddenly quite baffled by this emerging mystery now that I can't find a bunch of apps for my DESIRE. But now the mystery of "where are my paid apps that I bought on my Hero?" is solved, replaced by "why are hundreds of apps that were available on my Hero not available on my Desire?"
XDA-devs to the rescue, via another thread here about "Missing apps in the Market" linking to this posting in Android Market forums:
by nprussell - 4/8/10 (LINK to this posting at Android Market forums)
Hi all,
I'm an Android developer from the XDA forum & VillainROM.co.uk. I've primarily worked on the Hero, but I received my Desire yesterday.
I can confirm that I too am missing several apps from the market. I also have an answer to your question.
First things first, it's protected apps that are missing from the market. There are generally two reasons why apps will be missing from the market.
(1) When a new ROM/Phone is released, the manufacturer, in this case HTC, sends the build to Google, which includes a 'Fingerprint' (a unique line of text which governs its market access) in the build.prop file. Generally, it states the name of the phone and Android version in the fingerprint. With Root & system write access, this fingerprint can easily be changed... but we don't have that luxury right now.
Once Google approve the build, the fingerprint will be added to their allowed database to view protected apps on the market.
(2) The other cause for apps missing from the market in builds (such as twidroid, layar, barcode scanner etc) is that these apps require permissions to use the camera/auto focus. They are NOT protected apps. If the XML permission files are missing from system/etc/permissions, then Google Market will simply block these apps from showing.
So again... to answer your question... we'll see the protected apps as soon as either:
a) HTC chase up Google
b) Google get around to activating the fingerprint
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Un-frikkin-believable.
It's like the equivalence of a dumb low-IQ bureaucrat holding up a long line for Drivers' License renewals at the "Department of Motor Vehicles". No reason at all for the stupid delay other than some asshole letting some work order sit on his desktop til he feels like getting to it.
No wonder the author (gogol) of that other related thread recommends consumer activism or we just stand in line each time and just wait to get ****'d in the ass by beaurocratic process that sounds WAY more like Microsoft than "the smartest guys in the room" at Google -- who pride themselves on only hiring Ivy-league grads and equivalents, like from Stanford. They ought to be ridiculed out of town with this.
gogol writes: I really cannot believe Google screws this great Android platform like this. Think about the next firmware update, from Google or HTC ... We will AGAIN get this issue ... Then wait again very long. I am really mad and hate this.
If one of you guys is capable of writing a good professional article or blog regarding this issue, we could spread the voice all over the internet / twitter / facebook / blogs / news so Google could "end" or "fix" this.
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I'm game to SHAME GOOGLE into getting their f-ing act together or be ridiculed for incompetence -- everywhere we can post that message on the web. And they have the nerve to criticize APPLE for their ridiculous App Store totalitarianism?
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xrrkrrkx said:
I live in Sweden, no paid apps. Was at friends last night who has an old UK sim card, popped that in and I got access to some paid apps. but still with the limitations as previously discussed in this forum. (waiting for Google to get it straightened out)
so, yes & no, the apps are tied to your sim, cuz it tells the phone which apn/ network your phone is connecting from...
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Can you clarify this further. Thank you for information related to SIM card needing to be in use in order to access paid apps -- god only knows why -- it's retarded to me.
But is it correct that I have read other places that there are LOCALIZATION ISSUES? where some apps are only available to certain regions? (Like YouTube does) -- Or can you shoot that one down as rumor. I don't get this. Open source OS. Google's entire revenue model based on ads. More phones = more ad impressions = more money to Google. What possible motivation is there to block access to apps in a marketplace that I am willing to pay for -- where Google gets % of all sales, as well as transactional revenue thru Google Checkout? -- Something doesn't make sense. And usually when that's the case, SOMEONE IS BEING PROTECTED in some corporate deal.
What's the story. Is this another CARRIER-TAINTED example of holding customers hostage? If so, I can't wait til the day we can blow up that Carrier-driven model that strangles the free marketplace. They should make it or break it based on direct delivery of services at competitive pricing. I am so tired of Boardroom Protectionist Policies agreed to by major competitors, to ensure a baseline profit well above anything deserved if there was open competition. ... But I could be off on my little side rant and it has nothing to do with this issue, in which case, .... ooops. sorry
salahag said:
From what I read, some paid and free apps should appear as soon as google finishes some signature thing related to that! so it's a matter of time.
By the way, do you see paid apps in general? For me, I always had to use Market Enabaler on the Hero to open Market to paid apps.
A temporary solution, you can use your Hero to extract the paid applications (apk files) using Root Explorer, copy them to the Desire SD card and install them using any file manager. The only limitation here is that you have to keep checking for updates on the Hero.
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Many thanks - I never even thought to do this. Rooted my Hero, copied the apks (they're in /data/app-private) to the Desire and installed. I now have National Rail and Locale Lockscreen back again
Ta.
you can use your Hero to extract the paid applications (apk files) using Root Explorer, copy them to the Desire SD card and install them using any file manager.
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I meant to ask: Is Root Explorer an app from the Market (I'll check of course), and does it only work on rooted Heroes? Mine is unrooted. But I have used Astro app many times for moving stuff from my computer to Hero, and now my Desire. So, it would just be a matter of my knowing which folder/directory to look in on my Hero to access the .apk files.
(EDIT: I see now from daern above: they're in /data/app-private ... well Astro Explorer shows me root folder and data folder but both say "directory is empty", so I am guessing unless I root my Hero i can't access this stuff... right?)
So, thanks from ME also!
Easy. Install "InstantRook.apk" on the Hero (Google for it, download directly to the device and run from Astro).
Once installed, it will announce "your device is rooted". Now fire up Root Explorer and note that you can see the /data folder. Copy the private apk files to /sdcard and away you go.
It really is as easy as that. It may stuff your Hero (it didn't affect mine in the slightest) but as I'm assuming that you're replacing it anyway, the worst it would require would be a hard-boot anyway.
Took < 5 mins
Hi,
I'll get my new Desire HD this week. I had a nokia 5800 before. What should I know about Android and the Deisre HD.
Wich apps should I install?
What are the most important apps?
What are the differences between the hacking and modding of Nokia devices and Android devices?
Thanks for your answers.
Coming from an identical scenario as yourself (Nokia 5800XM -> Desire HD). There are many things I noticed from Symbian to android, mainly the larger support for applications (No more signing unverified apps!) and better web browsing.
For apps, most web browsers from Symbian OS such as Opera and skyfire are available!
For apps check out appbrain.com, seems more reliable than the app store.
For modding (also known as rooting in the android world) customising an android phone is about 100x easier, there's no certificates to trick and there's a much bigger user base.
I hated my Nokia 5800, most unreliable gadget I ever owned claiming 3 on my insurance for hardware / software problems.
Hello & welcome.
Depending on how you use your Desire HD (DHD), will decide what apps you should have.
Must haves for me are,
*FREE*
- Juice Defender - It will try to minimise the drain on your battery by intelligently turning data on/off
- SMS Backup + - Backs up your SMS, MMS & Call logs to your GMail account.
- XDA - These forums on your DHD, perfect.
- PhoneMarks - Sync's your bookmarks in chrome to your DHD.
- Last.fm - Excellent personalised radio.
- Dropbox - Sync files from practically anywhere, to anything.
- Linda File Manager - Manage files on your DHD & SD card.
- LauncherPro - Alternative Home screen interface, lots of customisation available.
*PAID*
- Ultimate Juice - Paid addon for Juice Defender, more customisation available.
- Better Keyboard - Alternative keyboard, IMO best keyboard available.
*ROOTED*
- Titanium Backup - Backs up apps to your SD card & Dropbox, also removes apps. Donate/Paid version available.
- AdFree Android - Stops those annoying in-app adverts.
With those apps you should not run into any problems.
As for the whole Android experience, its entirely what you want it to be. If your happy with HTC Sense, you've got yourself a great handset. If your into trying something new, cutting edge (atleast with Android) then your in great company.
certainly get dropbox. massively useful.
angry birds is a must
i ASTRO file manager instead of linda, but ive not tried linda.
app 2 sd is useful since the DHD has little internal memory.
GPS test: useful for getting the GPS to work the first time (might take 45 minutes to get its first lock, but then less than 3 minutes thereafter. doesnt seem to know what side of the world to look at the first use)
sketch online is great fun. simple fun.
switchpro widget will help you save battery by letting you turn your 3g off, but it costs 68 pence.
teeter is a free version of labyrinth, the marble maze game.
uninstaller is useful since the inbuilt one is slow and useless.
yell.com
i would advise you use the stock HTC sense UI before loading launcher pro or anything. im still using sense simply because it does everything i want it to do.
i had an n96 before this (the most unsupported phone EVER) and rooting my DHD was so easy in comparason. visionary+ is what i used, but look for a guide.
Thanks alot for the good answers. On Friday I'll get my DHD.
jt_seven said:
Hi,
I'll get my new Desire HD this week. I had a nokia 5800 before. What should I know about Android and the Deisre HD.
Wich apps should I install?
What are the most important apps?
What are the differences between the hacking and modding of Nokia devices and Android devices?
Thanks for your answers.
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Assuming your from the UK, where did you get yours?
I recommend a decent Backup app. So once you've entered all of your contacts or appointments or settings - you can save them on your sdcard for a rainy day/new rom etc.
I've been using the trial of MyBackupPro for the past couple of weeks. There might be better ones but I haven't tried any yet.
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Assuming your from the UK, where did you get yours?
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I'm from Germany, and got it in ebay.
Hi @ all,
I will get my new DHD on friday too, thanks for all these usefull answeres. Is there everywere a tutoral to root the DHD as user without knowing about android? Maybe anyone of you here can give me usefull tips to work with the DHD better than the original method.
Thanks alot,
robDHD
Zum Beispiel hier:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857537
When you want to have an german root tutorial look at the post to you on facebook. I think in this board it isn't allowed to post links to other boards.
Two days ago I rooted my LG Spectrum. It took a bit of finagling because some USB drivers are apparently better than others. Once I figured out which downloads were the best, it worked like a charm. The following day (yesterday) I partially de-bloated the phone.
I've posted the following on a couple of other forums:
Here's what I have successfully removed so far:
Bitbop
Blockbuster
Finance
Friends Plus widget
Hot Pursuit
Let's Golf 2
News
Polaris Office
Rhapsody
Richnote + widget
TuneWiki
VCast Apps + installer
VCast Media Manager
VCast Tones
Verizon Video
Video Surf
VZ Navigator
There are a few others I'd like to remove, but I'm not sure if I should. They are:
DummyApp.apk/.odex
Favorite Contacts widget
Guided Tours
In Touch widget
Interactive Messages
MLT.apk/.odex
Quick Reference
Social Plus
Today Plus widget
VZWService.apk
Weather + widget
What's New
Anyone have any concrete advice? I state it that way because I can't find advice anywhere else and I don't want someone to just say "Go for it!"
To that I had someone tell me that I will not be able to partake in Verizon's eventual OTA updates. I have no idea why this would be the case. I haven't removed anything that seems like it would "disqualify" me.
Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Thanks
Anyone?
As I recall from the old days with my AMOLED DROID Incredible, I was able to perform a similar de-bloat process with no negative consequences.
I guess I just have to wait and see. Worst case scenario: I find an ICS image at a later date.
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Yah sorry, no clue....I tried to look through that list....and went.....buh?
Thanks for looking. I guess I'll just have to wait.
If I really did blow it, I'll have to try finding a stock ROM image. Or I could use my upgrade later this summer...
So I have this idea, I hope someone in HTC can do this (Ideally this should be done by all manufacturers)
1. App is submitted in Play Store - Google adds it
2. App is quality checked by HTC for each HTC device before it shows up in say HTC one X play store. Same done by Sammy and others
3. If any problem HTC refuses the app into the Play Store for HTC one X / or for any HTC device, till the developer fixes the problem
4. Plz HTC implement it
Why should they do it ? Because we give them money and they should place quality control over the apps so we get the best experience (smooth, takes advantage of hardware as per each device, end spam)
Edit. I still stick to my point that brand that loose value due to hiccups of apps is the open handset alliance. Google will come out the winner in the end because their handsets are developer handsets thus the apps will always run smoothly on them.
I think the open handset alliance should take an active part in screening for quality of app.
Good idea, but impossible in the long run. There are far too many apps to make this anywhere near workable.
LoL
You serious? Every app has several versions and there are like tons of htc models out there. Even if we don't count custom firmware it is a impossible task..
And this not even a petition.. you are just a lazy bum hoping someone will do the job for you. So if you cant even find the effort for testing out apps... Then just use the standard apps
Grtz
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My favorite statement in this case: buy an iPhone . Or at least a windows phone.
Google gave so much free space to manufacturers, that it impossible, neither in long, nor in short run.
The only way for HTC, is to create own analogue of store with games best passing for your device (apps compatibility is already very good). Like nvidia did.
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My question is, what does HTC get for doing this?
Why do you even want HTC to do this? Apps in the market are by default supported by all phones that pass Google's CTS tests anyway, and all OHA member companies' phones must pass that test before being given the green light by Google to be released.
Do you want them to bankrupt faster?
It is nowhere near being possible.
and I must say I find your approach very very unhealty!
you can not ask for anything from anyone just because u pay them.
HTC is a phone manufacturer and does not promise you anything about any android application.
even if we try to take this approach seriously, HTC is putting sense on top of android which gives us HTC's own way of using your android device, with their own apps in some way. that is what you pay them for.
It's not HTC's job to check the quality of APPs in the Play Store.
This is like saying HP should be checking software is compatible for thier PCs running Windows.
(The software developer or Microsoft should be checking in that case - not HP)
APPs should be either checked by Google (who run the Play Store and Android) or by the developer of the APP itself.
HTC are a hardware manufacturer, not an APP developer....
the public do this already.
Just be careful what you download, pick apps with many downloads and/or many high ratings.
PLEASE NOT!
This wouldn't be a good idea ... Just think about how long it takes to put Sense 4.5 on top of Jelly Bean release. Quality checking apps by manufactures would definitely be a step in the wrong direction.
It would be better when HTC releases a plain Android (asop) version for the HOX.
complete useless and rubbish imo
no way, small company dont care end user
Maybe if you say
"Pretty please with a cherry on top"
They might just do it xD
What a ridiculous suggestion. Let them concentrate on producing great hardware and software.
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Hell no.
I don't like any kind of censorship....
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no way, small company dont care end user
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What does this have to do with caring about the end user?
Nothing at all.
Still I would argue that if apple can ensure that all apps use the hardware why can't the open handset alliance do the same in assisting google in screening apps. As to why I made the thread I recently downloaded drag racing and immediately I had a notification full of ads which I don't mind however I uninstalled it and now the ads pop up on the screen whenever I switch on WiFi.
HTC and other manufacturers including Samsung need to step up if they want better quality apps for the end user. I would like to play a gameloft game without having to add a mod , changing kernels etc
Just my opinion and yes someone commented of me being lazy .... Yes its a public holiday here so nothing better to do other than making a thread.
No
Hell no!
Play Store is completely Google's thing, plus I don't want HTC fooling around with the way the Play Store works, AT ALL. Google's trying to make the Play Store a cleaner place I believe.
dexteral said:
Still I would argue that if apple can ensure that all apps use the hardware why can't the open handset alliance do the same in assisting google in screening apps. As to why I made the thread I recently downloaded drag racing and immediately I had a notification full of ads which I don't mind however I uninstalled it and now the ads pop up on the screen whenever I switch on WiFi.
HTC and other manufacturers including Samsung need to step up if they want better quality apps for the end user. I would like to play a gameloft game without having to add a mod , changing kernels etc
Just my opinion and yes someone commented of me being lazy .... Yes its a public holiday here so nothing better to do other than making a thread.
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Then rate the app with one star and write a comment. That way you'll help all the others that consider downloading it and hint the developer that the app needs improvement. And vice versa - look at the ratings and comments of others before installing an app. Play Store is for people that can decide for themselves if they want the app or not. Anyone wanting to live in a walled garden and put his/her trust in someone else to not allow "bad" apps (basically those that hurt that someone's interests) should go with iOS.
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