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I've see much vids of Desire but none of them reveal the capabilities of the new joystick. What are its functions, is it more close to joystick or a trackpad?
its like the trackball of the other android devices, just optical -> u can slide over it....and if u hold your finger on the optic sensor u can klick with it, somebody said in a video that u'll get hardware feedback when using the optical joy
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLjsEP_D3Os&feature=related
Yeah I saw that vid. Simple swiping and clicking can be done with touch screen either. A demonstration of more precise operations is needed.
djet said:
Yeah I saw that vid. Simple swiping and clicking can be done with touch screen either. A demonstration of more precise operations is needed.
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What more precise operations?
Thats all you're going to do with it lol, swiping and clicking.
brummiesteven said:
What more precise operations?
Thats all you're going to do with it lol, swiping and clicking.
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A real joystick or a real trackpad allows much more than swiping and clicking.
For example, you can hold a joystick direction to trigger autorepeat or make really fast movements without taking finger off.
it's an optical trackball, for want of a better term.
In the same way that you get optical mice as opposed to a mouse with a ball in the bottom. The optical trackpad is simply an optical version of the scroll ball... in other words, same functions as the regular scroll ball without the moving parts.
djet said:
A real joystick or a real trackpad allows much more than swiping and clicking.
For example, you can hold a joystick direction to trigger autorepeat or make really fast movements without taking finger off.
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Would this be your first android device?
You don't really need to do that in android, I don't think I ever have on the G1
brummiesteven said:
Would this be your first android device?
You don't really need to do that in android, I don't think I ever have on the G1
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It would be usefull in some apps like games or emulators.
there may be an option to add shortcuts when clicking at home screen......like one tab go to appA two tabs go to appB...dunno some imagination
ClausG76 said:
It would be usefull in some apps like games or emulators.
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This is what I want too.
Dont want my big thumbs messing up the whole screen.
I look forward to the optical tracking system. I suppose it may be because I don't play action style games. I'm more of a puzzle/cards kind of guy. There are very few times I play phone games any how.
Actually i can't see the optical version making more sense, than the mechanical.
I personally almost never use it.
I believe its main uses would be as a hardware camera-button (that is, for taking the photo), and to scroll in text when typing.
Yep....Useless....I use my trackball about once every couple of days. Touch here and touch there is much faster... Oh wait I use it whenever I install a new ROM.. Just checking the threads trying to find something.
&RoidRage said:
Yep....Useless....I use my trackball about once every couple of days. Touch here and touch there is much faster... Oh wait I use it whenever I install a new ROM.. Just checking the threads trying to find something.
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That's why desire is good, no trackball sticking out! Nice and small button with optical tracking ;-)
Can it be used like the N1 trackball for missed calls and sms??
Blinking lights I mean
Just to answer a couple of questions:
1) There is no notification light on the optical trackpad.
2) I've tried this with the Nesoid emulator and while it works, it's pretty terrible to use for directional control, but maybe OK for any games that require 'swiping' motions.
jpxdude said:
Just to answer a couple of questions:
1) There is no notification light on the optical trackpad.
2) I've tried this with the Nesoid emulator and while it works, it's pretty terrible to use for directional control, but maybe OK for any games that require 'swiping' motions.
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does the onscreen pad and buttons support multitouch? you can use dpad while pressing A for example?
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does the onscreen pad and buttons support multitouch? you can use dpad while pressing A for example?
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Hi There,
It does support Multitouch, but it is pretty fiddly, I think because the image of the onscreen d-pad and buttons to not line up exactly on the Desire with Nesoid. I have had more luck with the multitouch using Snesoid, which feels very good! (i.e, in Super Mario All-Stars I can run and jump at the same time)
I've noticed that if i start typing very fast on my desire it stuffs up - Skipping some finger presses. I then did a test - i held down one key with one finger and tried to touch another key with another finger and noticed nothing happends.
Can others please check to see if they are also having this problem.
Thanks,
Brandon
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Its not a 'problem' there just isnt a multitouch keyboard. Im not sure why this is an issue since im pretty sure that apart from the essentials like shift, Ctrl etc PC keyboards arent either!
Yep, its like that on all desires. The keyboard probably uses the same code as the older non multitouch HTC's
rovex said:
Its not a 'problem' there just isnt a multitouch keyboard. Im not sure why this is an issue since im pretty sure that apart from the essentials like shift, Ctrl etc PC keyboards arent either!
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I think the 'issue' is that on a physical keyboard you may begin to press the second key before you fully let go of the first. On a hardware keyboard the second key press takes precedence whereas the HTC keyboard doesn't always register the second key press and you have to press it again.
Its not a 'problem' there just isnt a multitouch keyboard. Im not sure why this is an issue since im pretty sure that apart from the essentials like shift, Ctrl etc PC keyboards arent either!
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you dont use a touch keyboard the same way you use a normal keyboard. and yes, they do have 'multitouch', though i wouldnt refer to it as such.
The problems that the keyboards slow and very unresponsive + the space bar often doesnt work and a few letters per sentence are skipped because theres no multitouch. And most of the reviews claimed "the multitouch keyboard found on the desire is great"
Oh well, i found a keyboard on the marketplace thats multitouch
Thanks for the quick reply guys. Good to know theres nothing wrong with my phone
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brandon1108 said:
The problems that the keyboards slow and very unresponsive + the space bar often doesnt work and a few letters per sentence are skipped because theres no multitouch. And most of the reviews claimed "the multitouch keyboard found on the desire is great"
Oh well, i found a keyboard on the marketplace thats multitouch
Thanks for the quick reply guys. Good to know theres nothing wrong with my phone
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Which keyboard is that? Thanks in advance!
The stock keyboard.
Think theres anyway to enable multitouch in the stock keyboard?
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is there any on-screen virtual touchpad or trackball that would permanently dock at the bottom of the screen that would move a 'mouse' like pointer or selection area on-screen? with the evo having just a large touch screen, there's no way to 'highlight' things without just pressing it with your finger. Does this make sense?
the touch input htc keyboard has those 4 navigation arrows across the bottom of the keyboard, which i'd love to port to swype too, but the only way to use them is to open the full keyboard, which covers too much of the screen if you aren't typing something.
BTW - did everyone know if you hold down(long press) the menu button, you can toggle the keyboard anywhere you are, not just a text-input box? love it
you should really try searching the forums, there is already a thread on this idea.
younggunner said:
you should really try searching the forums, there is already a thread on this idea.
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gee, that was helpful... I was wondering the same thing, actually, and DID search the forums and found nothing. If someone happens to know which thread is being spoken of here, I'm sure a link would be appreciated...
i did try search
i also found nothing, thats why i posted.
wlpywd said:
i also found nothing, thats why i posted.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730693
type3 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730693
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that, I believe, is actually not what he's talking about. I believe you are looking for something along the lines of Virtual Trackball, version 1.2 is out
NOTE: i believe it requires ROOT, so make sure you're rooted.
onelovekir said:
that, I believe, is actually not what he's talking about. I believe you are looking for something along the lines of Virtual Trackball, version 1.2 is out
NOTE: i believe it requires ROOT, so make sure you're rooted.
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If you go all the way through the thread, it is about Virtual Trackball by the end of it. In the end, they wanted Virtual Trackball to use the touch sensitive area on the search button. The developer never really got back to them.
But the OP seems to want something like the CM6 mouse support without actually needing to use a mouse. Admittedly, this would be kind of cool. Ultimately though, you'd be using a portion of the touch input to control a mouse that is simulating using your finger. It's a little redundant seeming.
Has anyone gotten it working with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 Google IO LE with 3.1? I've gotten it to connect but can't use anything with it (not even the Android OS). If you have gotten it to work please share with us how you did it. Thanks in advance!
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Same here. It paird and recognized as a mouse. But doesn't do anything.
I have read that it works with Xoom running 3.1 so in theory it should work with Galaxy. Did you guys try with different mouse? (non apple mouse)
i just received my Apple bluetooth keyboard and magic trackpad that i got off ebay for my mac, but i got curious and paired both of them with my IO tab, and they are working great, im actually typing this from the keyboard and the trackpad works except for the 2 finger scroll, but hey i cant complain.
and i have updated to 3.1, not rooted.
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Tried my Apple Magic mouse on my friends Xoom with 3.1 and it works, but it definitely does not work on my GTab with 3.1.
kdietze3 said:
Tried my Apple Magic mouse on my friends Xoom with 3.1 and it works, but it definitely does not work on my GTab with 3.1.
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I just tried my Apple Magic Mouse on my Samsung GalTab 10.1 with 3.1 and I can confirm that it does not work.
However, the Apple Magic Trackpad does work. (The gestures don't work, but the 2 basic features of moving the cursor and clicking do work.)
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i just received my Apple bluetooth keyboard and magic trackpad that i got off ebay for my mac, but i got curious and paired both of them with my IO tab, and they are working great, im actually typing this from the keyboard and the trackpad works except for the 2 finger scroll, but hey i cant complain.
and i have updated to 3.1, not rooted.
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Everything is the same here, except mine is rooted. Same results here.
BTW, when you are using the Apple bluetooth keyboard, does the onscreen keyboard pop up too? I can close it and keep using the Apple bluetooth keyboard, but every time I move into a text field, the onscreen keyboard pops up again. It's a bit annoying.
It's not just 2 finger scroll that doesn't work -- none of the trackpad gestures work. The gestures are what make the Magic Trackpad "magical." But I didn't really expect them all to work completely, although I was hoping for the basic features.
It would be a dream if we could get something like BetterTouchTool for android:
http://blog.boastr.net/
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what is that?
novicejeep said:
Same here. It paird and recognized as a mouse. But doesn't do anything.
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To clarify my own response, this is exactly what I saw with the Magic Mouse. It pairs and connects. But it doesn't do anything.
When I doubled clicked a few times I did get the same message that I got when connecting the BT keyboard. So I guess Android thinks the Magic Mouse is a keyboard.
Also, as I already said, the Apple Magic Trackpad does work. But it lacks gesture support. So I guess that even if the Magic Mouse would work, it would not have the magical gestures.
+1 I'm trying to get this to work wit the magic mouse and id love better touch tool for honeycomb.
MountainX said:
Everything is the same here, except mine is rooted. Same results here.
BTW, when you are using the Apple bluetooth keyboard, does the onscreen keyboard pop up too? I can close it and keep using the Apple bluetooth keyboard, but every time I move into a text field, the onscreen keyboard pops up again. It's a bit annoying.
It's not just 2 finger scroll that doesn't work -- none of the trackpad gestures work. The gestures are what make the Magic Trackpad "magical." But I didn't really expect them all to work completely, although I was hoping for the basic features.
It would be a dream if we could get something like BetterTouchTool for android:
http://blog.boastr.net/
what is that?
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None of the gestures on mine work either, I just mentioned the two finger scroll cuz that's the only gesture I was really hoping worked. The keyboard displays on mine aswell when I get to a text field.
The uplink initiative thing is just me being a dork with my sig lol I had actually typed initiated but misspelled it and it corrected it as initiative and I just sounded kooler lmao I'm such a geek.
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Just tried it after putting the 1.4 GHz overclock kernel. Same result (Not working)
the suport is def. in my custom kernel for this device.
i rolled in a bunch of patches specifically for it.
what exactly is not working?
pershoot said:
the suport is def. in my custom kernel for this device.
i rolled in a bunch of patches specifically for it.
what exactly is not working?
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the support is for magic 'trackpad'.
Yeah this is the magic mouse. It has gestures on it, but is also a mouse. The problem is that the GT 10.1 seems to detect it as a keyboard once it connects. When the mouse is connected it doesn't do anything for the tablet.
Anyone try the Magic Trackpad with the Retail 10.1 (US WiFi for me) with Pershoots kernel?
I may break this post out since the title is off topic from [OP]
magic mouse does not work with me either
about the mouse
pershoot said:
the support is for magic 'trackpad'.
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So can you help us out with this? I can volunteer testing I always your kernels anyway
my Apple Magic Mouse oairs and connects to my GSlate running 3.1, but it doesnt do anything.
Pershoot, even magic trackpad doesn't work. I've tried both the trackpad and magic mouse, both pairs and connects with the tab, but there's no cursor or anything appears at all
I'm going to get a Gnex soon, and one of the main things I will want to do play my old games. I heard the soft keys are not on screen when not used, so what do you do to bring up the soft keys? And if they were always there that would kind of ruin the experience for games and movies, wouldn't it? I plan to use bt and on screen controllers so if the keys were always on screen that could cause problems. Thanks for helping a noob.
ARPwizard said:
I'm going to get a Gnex soon, and one of the main things I will want to do play my old games. I heard the soft keys are not on screen when not used, so what do you do to bring up the soft keys? And if they were always there that would kind of ruin the experience for games and movies, wouldn't it? I plan to use bt and on screen controllers so if the keys were always on screen that could cause problems. Thanks for helping a noob.
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The soft keys turn into a dot, it will still be there.
The API for it is for videos, where you won't be touching your screen. Once you touch your screen, the button,s will pop back out, so the API won't work for games.
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The soft keys turn into a dot, it will still be there.
The API for it is for videos, where you won't be touching your screen. Once you touch your screen, the button,s will pop back out, so the API won't work for games.
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Thanks for the info. What does API mean? I Googled it but I couldn't figure it out. So on an emulator, the d-pad may be right next to the softkeys and possible to hit at any given time? Also, when outputting with HDMI to a TV, are the keys or dots on the tv? Thanks again.
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Thanks for the info. What does API mean? I Googled it but I couldn't figure it out. So on an emulator, the d-pad may be right next to the softkeys and possible to hit at any given time? Also, when outputting with HDMI to a TV, are the keys or dots on the screen? Thanks again.
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Nah, i did not hit the softkeys on accident while playing pokemon
Outputting on HDMI is basically mirroring your phone's display, so the softkeys will still be a dot.
API: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_programming_interface
Mach3.2 said:
Nah, i did not hit the softkeys on accident while playing pokemon
Outputting on HDMI is basically mirroring your phone's display, so the softkeys will still be a dot.
API: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_programming_interface
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Cool thanks. Sounds good. I'm hoping for a price drop on Monday, and I'm still deciding about the gnex or an unlocked gs2 skyrocket. I'm a big fan of the gs2 aesthetically having used an epic 4g touch extensively.
the benifit of on-screen buttons is when your finger slides from the display area to the navbar, it knows and doesn't do anything (unless you lift your finger before pressing it)
so in games like osu it's so helpful (i have accidentally pressed the back button on my razr while playing)
You can always use a custom ROM that allows you to disable the buttons in the power menu. I know AOKP has it and it works flawlessly.
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Cool thats good information thanks for helping a noob