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[Q] ROM change question from a still apparent newbie...

I've been running stock rooted 3.29 deodexed.
Finally decided to try out Myns Warm 2.2 today. Did a Titanium backup and a nand backup, flashed the new ROM. I wasn't expecting all my widgets, apps and homescreen settings to remain intact. Obviously I was pleasantly surprised when they were.
Two questions:
1) Is this normal behavior for any ROM (e.g., CM6) or just because Warm2.2 is a Sense-based ROM? How did it even know all my homescreen settings? Did Titanium restore them without my asking? (Yes I know that's three questions in one, sorry)
2) Why were all my homescreen icons/widgets doubled up on top of eachother?
I know these are probably basic questions but just based on everything I've read I was expecting to have to install Ti backup, restore my apps, and then re-setup my homescreens. So this was just really surprising to me.

Just noticed that it also retained the flash that I applied for the 4-in-1 reboot mode (hot reboot, recovery, etc). Color me confused.

Shane112358 said:
I've been running stock rooted 3.29 deodexed.
Finally decided to try out Myns Warm 2.2 today. Did a Titanium backup and a nand backup, flashed the new ROM. I wasn't expecting all my widgets, apps and homescreen settings to remain intact. Obviously I was pleasantly surprised when they were.
Two questions:
1) Is this normal behavior for any ROM (e.g., CM6) or just because Warm2.2 is a Sense-based ROM? How did it even know all my homescreen settings? Did Titanium restore them without my asking? (Yes I know that's three questions in one, sorry)
2) Why were all my homescreen icons/widgets doubled up on top of eachother?
I know these are probably basic questions but just based on everything I've read I was expecting to have to install Ti backup, restore my apps, and then re-setup my homescreens. So this was just really surprising to me.
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Hi there...well, as a noob myself I have learned that when you flash any NEW ROMS from different developers, you MUST wipe DATA, CACHE & DAVLIK/CACHE 1st. If you are upgrading from Myn Warms 2.2 3.29 OTA to 3.30 then you usually don' have to unless they tell you to. That's why your icons/widges are doubled up. Can't go from Stock rooted ROM to Myns...different development.
It will wipe everything on your system and install the ROM brand new as if you bought your phone that way. Items in your SD card will remain there...it does not wipe that. The NAND backup is good if for some reason your EVO goes haywire you can just do the old fashion Bootloader and go into recovery and get everything back. (I actually do this once a week just incase I need to go back to a place when my EVO was perfect...I delete any old ones so that I don't get confused.)
Once you flash the new ROM then go into titanium back up and restore everything. I use Mybackup Pro (Free for 30days to try out)...it saves my home/android screen so That I don't have to reset everything I have except for login into my POP mail server. Not a fan of Titanium but a lot of people seems to like it.
You may need to restore your Evo to that NAND you just did, then WIPE...then flash Myns. Also Myns ROM has the 4-1 reboot. I hope this helps...

Well that explains the 4-in-1 but I did wipe my cache and dalvik cache twice before flashing Warm2.2. I was not on Warm2.2 so this was a change from stock to Warm2.2. So I still don't see how all my settings were retained.
I'm not looking for a "clean" install of Warm2.2 - I'm merely trying to understand why it happened this way when I thought that it wasn't supposed to, and if this behavior is normal.

And just out of curiosity why don't you like Ti backup? I've always wondered if it really serves any good purpose since it seems like Nand backups all my apps anyways....?

Shane112358 said:
Well that explains the 4-in-1 but I did wipe my cache and dalvik cache twice before flashing Warm2.2. I was not on Warm2.2 so this was a change from stock to Warm2.2. So I still don't see how all my settings were retained.
I'm not looking for a "clean" install of Warm2.2 - I'm merely trying to understand why it happened this way when I thought that it wasn't supposed to, and if this behavior is normal.
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Unfortunately you will need to do a clean install when you go from one ROM to another. Even if the other ROM is a rooted stock ROM...still someone's ROM they created with the stock OTA.
You have to wipe DATA too, no way around it....because the system is rooted and different developers change the path to what they want to do with their ROM you can't flash MYNS on top of someone else's rooted stock ROM. It will conflict with one another (hence the overlapping of icons/widgets). That's why they created apps like Titanium and Mybackup Pro because it will be like a clean phone you just bought and instead of taking hours to set up your phone again...do a restore from one of the programs and you will be up and running with the new ROM.
I love Myn's ROM...

Shane112358 said:
And just out of curiosity why don't you like Ti backup? I've always wondered if it really serves any good purpose since it seems like Nand backups all my apps anyways....?
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The way I view NAND backup is like a system restore on your PC. I don't use it unless I want to make sure there is a good location for me to go back to just in case my EVO acts up.
I tried titanium backup...visually it doesn't give me confidence as a noob...mybackup pro is very simple and does its purpose.

honeyBfly said:
Unfortunately you will need to do a clean install when you go from one ROM to another. Even if the other ROM is a rooted stock ROM...still someone's ROM they created with the stock OTA.
You have to wipe DATA too, no way around it....because the system is rooted and different developers change the path to what they want to do with their ROM you can't flash MYNS on top of someone else's rooted stock ROM. It will conflict with one another (hence the overlapping of icons/widgets). That's why they created apps like Titanium and Mybackup Pro because it will be like a clean phone you just bought and instead of taking hours to set up your phone again...do a restore from one of the programs and you will be up and running with the new ROM.
I love Myn's ROM...
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Yeah I think I discovered your point. Myns ROM works flawlessly going from stock to Myns without a data wipe. But I just put on CM6 and had several FC and launcher problems. For some reason I never thought that wipe also meant data wipe...I was probably just trained by all the mod flashes I've been doing....

Shane112358 said:
Yeah I think I discovered your point. Myns ROM works flawlessly going from stock to Myns without a data wipe. But I just put on CM6 and had several FC and launcher problems. For some reason I never thought that wipe also meant data wipe...I was probably just trained by all the mod flashes I've been doing....
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I was always told to wipe everything when flashing one ROM to the next. But only wipe cache & Davlik/cache if your flash themes...Kernels or different MODS.

Two questions for you two since you both seem to know what you're doing
1. Did either of you use the special recovery images? (Clockwork/AmonRA)
2. I backup everything to Titanium Backup Pro...but if i wipe EVERYTHING that means Titanium Backup Pro will be gone as well...so how am I supposed to get everything restored if the app is gone?

1) Not sure, I use clockwork recovery but don't know what a special recovery image is.
2) My understanding is that you have to reinstall Ti backup, and whence forth it will find the old restore files that you can use to restore your apps.

Whenever installing a new rom it is best to do a FULL wipe meaning data,cache, and davlik. Even though there may not be any problems initially upon use, there will likely be some down the road. It's your phone though, do as you please.
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RTC88 said:
Whenever installing a new rom it is best to do a FULL wipe meaning data,cache, and davlik. Even though there may not be any problems initially upon use, there will likely be some down the road. It's your phone though, do as you please.
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So I did a full wipe last night and installed CM6. It installed just fine but my data didn't work....kept telling me that I didn't have a SIM installed. I could make phone calls though. I'll have to try again tonight but I did a restore so I had a functional phone today. Any idea why that happens?
Also I did a full backup with My Backup Pro so I'm assuming I can just reinstall My Backup Pro and it will find my backed-up data for restoration?

Could be a network problem on sprint's side.
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R1pTheJacka said:
Two questions for you two since you both seem to know what you're doing
1. Did either of you use the special recovery images? (Clockwork/AmonRA)
2. I backup everything to Titanium Backup Pro...but if i wipe EVERYTHING that means Titanium Backup Pro will be gone as well...so how am I supposed to get everything restored if the app is gone?
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1. Yes...AmonRA.
2. When you use an APP like Titanium and Mybackup Pro...it saves your backup to your SD card and a full wipe does not wipe external memory cards only internal system stuff. So once you wipe and flash a new ROM...you need to go to market first and foremost to download whichever backup program you used and then order it to restore your phone. It will know the path in which it used to back everything up and pull from there. Follow the prompts.

[Q] Question about nandroid backing up.

I recently rooted and have been enjoying the different ROMS I am now able to use which makes my phone more enjoyable.
I wanted to ask something about backup's that I am a little confused on.
I know there are a few methods of backing up. I do the method of rebooting into recovery and backing up.
My question is, what exactly is this backing up? I would like the backup method to back up the whole ROM with everything I have set in place, kind of like a .img file of sorts on a PC.
I have been going back and forth between an ASOP (MIUI) ROM and a couple Sense based ROMS (MikFroyo and MYNS.) It is frustrating when going between each that I have to go through and reinstall everything and set it all up the way I like it.
Is there a method to create a image that I can just go into recovery, "Wipe Data/Factory Reset" then "Wipe Cache Partition" then "Calkulin's FORMAT_ALL" and then load up the saved image file that will have everthing in tact that I saved in the image file?
Thank you,
Whiteice

Simply back up everything (wimax, sd-ext, boot...) on the particular ROM you have set up, and then set up your next ROM. I use Amon_RA 2.2.1 and you can rename the actual nandroid backup to make it easier to remember which ROM it is. So you can pretty much do exactly what your asking. Once you've set them up, you can easily restore different ROMs.

You can backup an entire rom with rom manager with clockwork. It saves everything the way you left it, from your settings, apps, and even call log.

WhiteiceDMSTech said:
I recently rooted and have been enjoying the different ROMS I am now able to use which makes my phone more enjoyable.
I wanted to ask something about backup's that I am a little confused on.
I know there are a few methods of backing up. I do the method of rebooting into recovery and backing up.
My question is, what exactly is this backing up? I would like the backup method to back up the whole ROM with everything I have set in place, kind of like a .img file of sorts on a PC.
I have been going back and forth between an ASOP (MIUI) ROM and a couple Sense based ROMS (MikFroyo and MYNS.) It is frustrating when going between each that I have to go through and reinstall everything and set it all up the way I like it.
Is there a method to create a image that I can just go into recovery, "Wipe Data/Factory Reset" then "Wipe Cache Partition" then "Calkulin's FORMAT_ALL" and then load up the saved image file that will have everthing in tact that I saved in the image file?
Thank you,
Whiteice
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trust me if your not to sure about what you are doing at least try and get Amon on your phone. It IMO and quite a few others is safer than Clockwork. Clockwork and Rom Manager are for beginners I will admit but before something goes crazy try and flash over to Amon..
edit: to answer you question though nandroid is like system restore in windows... you will get back everything exactly as you left it.

the nandroid backup in your recovery mode does back up everything. once you back it up then flash whatever you are flashing and you dont like it, u just go back and click nandroid restore and it will go back to exactly how it was when u backed it up

Quick question in the new amon what do we check when making a backup.
I'm used to 2.2 and just hitting make a backup.

And just like someone said above, Rom Manager and clockwork may be for beginners but seasoned users also use this. I find it simple to use and flashed about 12 Roms in a couple of months and I have 6 backups stored in the Rom Manager backup list. Very simple to restore back to one of your saved backups as well as easy to save new ones.

And one thing I have picked up about AMon RA is that in the newer versions, make sure you toggle the verification to off so that if a rom or whatever it is you're trying to flash is unsigned, it will not give an error and you'll be able to download.

playya said:
trust me if your not to sure about what you are doing at least try and get Amon on your phone.
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couldn't have said it any better myself

shaglioni said:
And one thing I have picked up about AMon RA is that in the newer versions, make sure you toggle the verification to off so that if a rom or whatever it is you're trying to flash is unsigned, it will not give an error and you'll be able to download.
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Just to point out, the same can happen in clockworkmod.

Really? I was looking for an option about toggling verification on Clockwork but I couldn't find it anywhere. You know where that option is? I mean I haven't' had any errors using it but just in case.

shaglioni said:
Really? I was looking for an option about toggling verification on Clockwork but I couldn't find it anywhere. You know where that option is? I mean I haven't' had any errors using it but just in case.
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After you select install from zip, right before you check install form sd card, there should be the option on that screen to toggle signature verification.

That's awesome to know. I guess I never looked at that part of the screen before I flash something because I never get an error. So now if it happens I'll give it a thorough look over. Thanks a lot Roxxorz.

Oh, and you were commenting on the other thread in regards to King Ultra's rom animation. I replied back to that thread but I'm trying to get my own screename configured. Thanks for your input on that issue to but that's puzzling to me. I also have the Amon RA 1.8 version as I hear that's a good version to use as well on my SD in case I want to try it later on.

shaglioni said:
Oh, and you were commenting on the other thread in regards to King Ultra's rom animation. I replied back to that thread but I'm trying to get my own screename configured. Thanks for your input on that issue to but that's puzzling to me. I also have the Amon RA 1.8 version as I hear that's a good version to use as well on my SD in case I want to try it later on.
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So what exactly were you trying to do?

[Q] Proper backup help

I am running Virtuous and it is running smooth as butter, but I would like to try one of the CM7 nighly, and want to be able to go back if need be with out hours of work. I am running clockwork recovery and rom manager, and also have titaium back up installed. Phone is rooted with s-off. Can I just run a back up from rom manager do a complete wipe and install CM7. I also need to update hboot from .79 to .92 should this be done prior to the rom manager back up. Should CM7 not work out how do I restore back? Thanks

Yeah just nandroid (which means backing up the rom and all your settings) and you can go back at any time. In Rom manager just go to Backup current Rom and you will always have a copy of your setup EXACTLY as it is.
You can update HBOOT whenever you want, it really doesn't matter when you do it. Once you do it will stay that way.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't doing a nandroid backup essentially make a complete clone of your entire phone that you can restore later?

eman5oh said:
I am running Virtuous and it is running smooth as butter, but I would like to try one of the CM7 nighly, and want to be able to go back if need be with out hours of work. I am running clockwork recovery and rom manager, and also have titaium back up installed. Phone is rooted with s-off. Can I just run a back up from rom manager do a complete wipe and install CM7. I also need to update hboot from .79 to .92 should this be done prior to the rom manager back up. Should CM7 not work out how do I restore back? Thanks
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Okay, here's what you to do back up:
1. Back up your apps with Titanium Backup - DO NOT BACK UP PHONE DATA. Backing up data for games (e.g. Angry Birds) is fine, but don't back up contacts or Gmail or anything that's going to be included in your new ROM. Reason is, when you restore everything (more on that later), you don't want to have conflicting data screwing things up.
2. Make a nandroid using ROM Manager. Just go to where it says backup current rom, and let it do it's magic. You can (and should) rename it to something you can remember. DO NOT USE SPACES. I like to name mine with the date, ROM name, and version number (e.g. 2-3-11_Virtuous_3.1.0)
3. After the backup finishes, install the new ROM - I always do this through ROM Manager.
4. When CM7 is finished installing, download Titanium Backup and restore your apps using the batch operation - it's a lot simpler than trying to find all your apps and download/install them yourself
5. To go back, simply click "Restore Backup" in ROM Manager and pick Virtuous and all your hard work will be restored
Enjoy!

I've had lots of trouble with ROM manager not restoring or backing up my current ROM properly.....it'll always say that the installation was aborted or say the file is corrupt
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AlpineM3 said:
I've had lots of trouble with ROM manager not restoring or backing up my current ROM properly.....it'll always say that the installation was aborted or say the file is corrupt
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How much free space is left on your card? Format and try it with a clean card. I have never had a problem with it restoring anything of mine.

Zoon0n said:
Okay, here's what you to do back up:
1. Back up your apps with Titanium Backup - DO NOT BACK UP PHONE DATA. Backing up data for games (e.g. Angry Birds) is fine, but don't back up contacts or Gmail or anything that's going to be included in your new ROM. Reason is, when you restore everything (more on that later), you don't want to have conflicting data screwing things up.
2. Make a nandroid using ROM Manager. Just go to where it says backup current rom, and let it do it's magic. You can (and should) rename it to something you can remember. DO NOT USE SPACES. I like to name mine with the date, ROM name, and version number (e.g. 2-3-11_Virtuous_3.1.0)
3. After the backup finishes, install the new ROM - I always do this through ROM Manager.
4. When CM7 is finished installing, download Titanium Backup and restore your apps using the batch operation - it's a lot simpler than trying to find all your apps and download/install them yourself
5. To go back, simply click "Restore Backup" in ROM Manager and pick Virtuous and all your hard work will be restored
Enjoy!
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Am I asking for trouble when backing up apps via titium, and switching roms? I thought that I read that somewhere? I have used app brain to do the restores, but it is a little slow. Also Thanks to everyone for the replies.

I've read that the newer versions of Clockwork are troublesome....anything after 2.5.05. I just went in and erased any previous ROM's that I don't use anymore to free up valuable space on the SD card. Hopefully it works, but the message error i've been getting......well not a message error, but my phone seems to freeze up while developing MD5sum. I read to leave it alone and it might take 10 min's actually, but just want to confirm this is true. Thanks.
g00s3y said:
How much free space is left on your card? Format and try it with a clean card. I have never had a problem with it restoring anything of mine.
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AlpineM3 said:
I've read that the newer versions of Clockwork are troublesome....anything after 2.5.05. I just went in and erased any previous ROM's that I don't use anymore to free up valuable space on the SD card. Hopefully it works, but the message error i've been getting......well not a message error, but my phone seems to freeze up while developing MD5sum. I read to leave it alone and it might take 10 min's actually, but just want to confirm this is true. Thanks.
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I use 2.5.1.2 and have never personally had any problem, sorry.

eman5oh said:
Am I asking for trouble when backing up apps via titium, and switching roms? I thought that I read that somewhere? I have used app brain to do the restores, but it is a little slow. Also Thanks to everyone for the replies.
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I've gone from Stock to Virtuous to MIUI to CyanogenMod and I can say definitively that I have never had any problems with Titanium backing up/restoring apps. You are asking for trouble if you try to back up system data and restore it for ROM's that they were never intended for - just back up the apps you downloaded from the market/installed yourself and you'll be fine

So here is what I did,
1 Did a Rom back up from Rom manager
2 Backed up user apps with Titanium Pro
3 Updated Clock Work Mod to 2.5.1.2
4 Flashed Hboot from .79 to .92
This is were ran into a problem, after hboot flashed it just went into a boot loop were all I could do is go into hboot or clock work recovery but that is it phone would not boot. I searched a little and read that hboot wipes the kernal and that is why it will not reboot. I then went into clockwork and restored the rom I backed up in step 1, and it worked like a charm. Thought I would share so any one else who runs into this. Now off to flash cm7!

Rocking CM7 now, Thanks for all the help and advice from everyone. The Android community rocks.

What is the correct method of switching back and forth between roms?

I would like to better understand how to correctly switch back and forth between roms.
Whenever I have put a rom on my phone, I have done a full wipe and reinstalled from scratch (and then made a nandroid backup.)
I don't understand what I need to do once I get my MikFroyo set up the way I want, what steps need to be taken to back it up how I have it and then how to correctly load up a new rom?
And another question, when I go from one ROM to another, if I use a backup of some sort to load up, what areas need to be wiped prior to restoring the backup's?
So what do I need to do in order to switch up between Sense based and AOSP roms depending on the mood and what I am feeling on any given day that will allow the least amount of time but the most accurate and correct method of doing this?
Thank you for the help,
Whiteice

WhiteiceDMSTech said:
I would like to better understand how to correctly switch back and forth between roms.
Whenever I have put a rom on my phone, I have done a full wipe and reinstalled from scratch (and then made a nandroid backup.)
I don't understand what I need to do once I get my MikFroyo set up the way I want, what steps need to be taken to back it up how I have it and then how to correctly load up a new rom?
And another question, when I go from one ROM to another, if I use a backup of some sort to load up, what areas need to be wiped prior to restoring the backup's?
Thank you for the help,
Whiteice
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The best bet to keep your settings would be to do a nandroid backup after you set it up the way you want and then rename the backup to say something like Latest Mikfroyo.
Then wipe, flash, and reinstall apps the way you want it either manually or using Titanium Backup or Appbrain. Then repeat for every ROM.
I have a ton of backups made already for almost all the ROMs out there and I switch back and forth for testing purposes.
Try not to keep the nandroid on your SD Card since it takes up a ton of space.
But there are differences between certain ROMs. Some might use A2SD or only work with a certain kernel. So you would have to keep those as well. Rename them to match the correct ROM as well. So MikFroyoKernel.zip for example.
Nandroids won't back up the correct kernel. So you would want to wipe > flash kernel (if needed) > reboot > boot into recovery > wipe > restore nandroid.
That will do it for the most part. But mind you, sometimes the nandroid will fail. Not sure exactly what causes this but you can always restore another backup. Sometimes flashing the original ROM then restoring works as well.

WhiteiceDMSTech said:
So what do I need to do in order to switch up between Sense based and AOSP roms depending on the mood and what I am feeling on any given day that will allow the least amount of time but the most accurate and correct method of doing this?
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If you do full wipe won't have any problem going between Sense and AOSP. Just don't import your settings cause could mess things up.
Also, I always wipe/format the sd-ext as well. Depending on how you are set-up could have apps from the old rom show up in new after boot.

CCallahan said:
If you do full wipe won't have any problem going between Sense and AOSP. Just don't import your settings cause could mess things up.
Also, I always wipe/format the sd-ext as well. Depending on how you are set-up could have apps from the old rom show up in new after boot.
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nope, it dont matter if ur going between aosp or sense, nand will restore everything... but u might wanna read up some more on the latest amon-ra recoveries dat have been released, because whenever i do a nand restore, i get stuck in a boot loop, n its quite annoying...

vikramjatt11 said:
nope, it dont matter if ur going between aosp or sense, nand will restore everything... but u might wanna read up some more on the latest amon-ra recoveries dat have been released, because whenever i do a nand restore, i get stuck in a boot loop, n its quite annoying...
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Only if there is an existing backup to go to. OP really didn't specify whether switching between Sense & AOSP backups or new installs in that last paragraph.

[Q] Force closes long lag times, other problems so un-root/re-root or something else?

So, I have been having some major problems with my phone. Tons of force closes, major lag times and things like that. I have tried a handful of different ROMs, including CM7, the nightlys, Miui and a few others. I hear great stories about people and rooting and I want to be one of them. I am tired of all the hassles. So, when talking to someone in the office who has had no issues with his Droid 2, he suggested, and said he has read, the best thing to do is go back to stock, unroot, as they will remove all possible conflicting files that could be causing problems. Then, re-root, and install whatever.
Any thoughts on that? Generally, my process for installing a new ROM, I boot into recovery manually, clean cache, clean Dalvik, then install ROM. Then, I restore apps and data from Titanium and restore the Nandroid from Rom Manager. The past couple times, I have done the factory reset, but eventually, a day or 2, it goes back to the same problems. Maybe, I should just try it without the restoring the Nandroid (even though it is a backup from when there was no problems) and the app data from Titanium. I assume, you know what happens when you assume, that both the Nandroid and Titanium backups are clean as I backed up when I was having no issues.
So, any thoughts here? Unroot, then re-root or is there something else I should try to wipe everything clean to solve the problems? Currently, on the original Droid Incredible (got it on the release day, so the first screen), running 2.2 when I rooted, currently on Miui 1.9.16, but just installed it 10 minutes ago and was running the Cyanogen nightly's before hand..
Thanks in advance

When flashing a new ROM you should always do the following before flashing, especially if you're flashing completely different ROMs:
Wipe user data/factory reset
Mounts and Storage - format /system, format /boot, format /data, format /cache
Advanced - Wipe Dalvik, Wipe Battery Stats
Then flash the ROM zip.
Try not restoring apps and data from Titanium, as restoring the app is okay, but restoring data can cause unwanted things to happen more times than not.
When you say restore nandroid from ROM Manager, what do you mean here? A nandroid is backing up your ROM via ROM Manager, which gets stored to your clockworkmod/backups folder...you shouldn't be pulling anything from that...
If you flash the RUU to return to stock and re-root, make sure you use the 2.2 RUU. If you use the 2.3, you need to be s-off to get rooted again. If you use the 2.3 RUU and you're s-on, no root for you...come back one year.

The ONLY time you want to restore a nandroid backup is if you've wiped your device clean and want to return to a previously backed up setup. You should never restore a nandroid backup over a ROM you've just installed. If that's what you're doing, that's your problem. You're effectively replacing whatever ROM you just flashed in it's entirety.
As for Titanium, I restore apps with data all the time, but system data should almost never be restored as it's OS and app version specific. Basically, if it's green, it's safe. If it's red, don't mess with it. If it's white, like a user app, app and data are usually safe to restore.
ROM Manager is a bigger pain in the ass than it's worth and is useless for anything more than flashing a new recovery. If my recovery is working reliably, I never install ROM manager. Most devs will tell you to never flash with ROM manager anyways. Any function that ROM Manager performs can be performed in recovery in a safer, more reliable fashion.

loonatik78 said:
The ONLY time you want to restore a nandroid backup is if you've wiped your device clean and want to return to a previously backed up setup. You should never restore a nandroid backup over a ROM you've just installed. If that's what you're doing, that's your problem. You're effectively replacing whatever ROM you just flashed in it's entirety.
As for Titanium, I restore apps with data all the time, but system data should almost never be restored as it's OS and app version specific. Basically, if it's green, it's safe. If it's red, don't mess with it. If it's white, like a user app, app and data are usually safe to restore.
ROM Manager is a bigger pain in the ass than it's worth and is useless for anything more than flashing a new recovery. If my recovery is working reliably, I never install ROM manager. Most devs will tell you to never flash with ROM manager anyways. Any function that ROM Manager performs can be performed in recovery in a safer, more reliable fashion.
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Thanks for the correction, I forgot to put system in there...restoring system data is not good.
+1 on ROM Manager issues, always get a zip file of the ROM, and flash through recovery.

RMarkwald said:
When flashing a new ROM you should always do the following before flashing, especially if you're flashing completely different ROMs:
Wipe user data/factory reset
Mounts and Storage - format /system, format /boot, format /data, format /cache
Advanced - Wipe Dalvik, Wipe Battery Stats
Then flash the ROM zip.
When you say restore nandroid from ROM Manager, what do you mean here? A nandroid is backing up your ROM via ROM Manager, which gets stored to your clockworkmod/backups folder...you shouldn't be pulling anything from that....
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That is pretty much what I do, except for the Mounts and Storage parts.
For the Nandroid part, maybe I have my terminology mixed up. I do a restore from Rom Manager...which I thought was called the Nandroid backup. It seems to me, that it makes sure the launcher and things are set up right.
loonatik78 said:
The ONLY time you want to restore a nandroid backup is if you've wiped your device clean and want to return to a previously backed up setup. You should never restore a nandroid backup over a ROM you've just installed. If that's what you're doing, that's your problem. You're effectively replacing whatever ROM you just flashed in it's entirety.
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I rarely use the ROM Manager to do anything, just restore (what I thought was called the Nandroid) to make the launcher the way things were..
But it seems like that is my problem. I am installed the new ROM, then just restoring a back up of all the problems. DUH.. Guess I should try it all without restoring anything from the ROM Manager and see how it all works. That will be my project tonight..
Thanks

MikeDaub said:
That is pretty much what I do, except for the Mounts and Storage parts.
For the Nandroid part, maybe I have my terminology mixed up. I do a restore from Rom Manager...which I thought was called the Nandroid backup. It seems to me, that it makes sure the launcher and things are set up right.
I rarely use the ROM Manager to do anything, just restore (what I thought was called the Nandroid) to make the launcher the way things were..
But it seems like that is my problem. I am installed the new ROM, then just restoring a back up of all the problems. DUH.. Guess I should try it all without restoring anything from the ROM Manager and see how it all works. That will be my project tonight..
Thanks
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If you want to restore your launcher, try it through Titanium Backup. If that doesn't do it, and I can't promise you it will work correctly, you're probably SOL on restoring a launcher unless some other backup app does the job better.

loonatik78 said:
If you want to restore your launcher, try it through Titanium Backup. If that doesn't do it, and I can't promise you it will work correctly, you're probably SOL on restoring a launcher unless some other backup app does the job better.
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I am fine with not restoring it, I just thought "that is what you should do".
I don't venture too far from the regular settings, so it isn't a pain to do, just thought I should...

RMarkwald said:
When flashing a new ROM you should always do the following before flashing, especially if you're flashing completely different ROMs:
Wipe user data/factory reset
Mounts and Storage - format /system, format /boot, format /data, format /cache
Advanced - Wipe Dalvik, Wipe Battery Stats
Then flash the ROM zip.
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One more quick question since I am thinking of it....is this same process if doing nightly updates from Cyanogen, or just is I change from say, Cyanogen to Miui or something??
Thanks again for all the help..

MikeDaub said:
One more quick question since I am thinking of it....is this same process if doing nightly updates from Cyanogen, or just is I change from say, Cyanogen to Miui or something??
Thanks again for all the help..
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Generally, CM nightlies can be flashed over top of each other without a wipe since the vast majority of the code is identical. However, if an issue crops up, a wipe and flash might be a good thing to try. Probably won't help though, since nightlies, by definition, are experimental.
Always wipe and flash when moving from one ROM type to another.

loonatik78 said:
Generally, CM nightlies can be flashed over top of each other without a wipe since the vast majority of the code is identical. However, if an issue crops up, a wipe and flash might be a good thing to try. Probably won't help though, since nightlies, by definition, are experimental.
Always wipe and flash when moving from one ROM type to another.
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That's kinda what I figured, but I thought it was worth asking so I don't completely wipe the whole thing every time I install an update. The nightly I am on now seems to be working, so the new plan is keep whats working until it doesn't work anymore, or some major update comes along..
Thanks again for the help. I really appreciate it.

If the issue continues you can try copying everything off of your SD card to your PC and reformatting your SD card. Remember to use FAT32 format. Then copy everything back to your SD card. I've read threads were this helped the force close issues for many people - Just a thought.

jackbtha1 said:
If the issue continues you can try copying everything off of your SD card to your PC and reformatting your SD card. Remember to use FAT32 format. Then copy everything back to your SD card. I've read threads were this helped the force close issues for many people - Just a thought.
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Certainly worth a thought. The card that is in it now came from a different phone. I am pretty sure I formatted it when I first plugged it in, but it can't hurt to try...
Thanks