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Any interest in a Calkulin Incredible ROM?

Just wanna gauge the interest of me doing a ROM for the Incredible. The mods list would be just about the same as my EVO ROM, so they would perform about the same.
Link to my EVO ROM so you can see what it looks like
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745205

Calkulin. Good to see you here. I used a lot of your project on my Touch Pro. Good job on that and I am sure you are doing a good job on the Android. I know everyone will appreciate your work. I took a look at what you have and like, but I prefer a stock look. I will keep an eye on your work. You never know.

I think that there's always interest in something different, even if only slightly. I'm guessing that the only solid way to find out would be go invest the time in putting one together and seeing what kind of response you get. I'm sure that everyone would agree that having a dev with experience add to our choices would certainly be a more satisfying experience than having a herd of novices (keeping in mind that in all things we were all once novices). The people love choice.

That is a nice clean ROM. I would def try it out.

i would be stocked ...loved all your roms/kitchens for the last few years at ppcgeeks...bring it !!!
im sure once they try it they will love it...i heard mightymike's gone android too...crazy all we need is nrg and its like old times

Im game dude, loved your windows roms

I would definitely be interested... used some of your creations when i had a TP2... ahhh i miss the days of ppcgeeks...

Absolutely! The more the better!

Looks a very polished rom. I'd sport it!

More choice is never a bad thing. I wouldnt use it personally as there are apps installed I would never use but I am sure others would like and use it.

Used to use your TP Rom on PPC Geeks! Would definitely like to see one for the Dinc!!!

I'd use it
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Yes, please!

Well, already started working on the ROM, so hopefully I'll have a beta out this week

If you need a tester, feel free to contact me.

Im Down
Looks really clean...I'll give it a shot. A friend said you do some great work. I placed a post over at www.incredibleforum.com as well. Need some testers let me know

Calkulin, will this have the usual bloatware removed?

Need some beta testers, PM me if your available now

[Q] What happened to Calkulin's, Fresh's and Damage Control's ROM developement

Its been awhile since I have seen anything new I can only assume that they are working on other devices. I would love to see a new ROM for any of these.
p.s. No offense to the other Dev's as I do appreciate everyone's hard work.

ljohnson1981 said:
Its been awhile since I have seen anything new I can only assume that they are working on other devices. I would love to see a new ROM for any of these.
p.s. No offense to the other Dev's as I do appreciate everyone's hard work.
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I'm assuming you're taking over for them since you posted this in the Dev section? Please post up some of your work so far and the GPL information. Good luck!

If it starts with [Q], probably goes in Q&A, or ask in their respective threads.

Or you guys could just answer the poor blokes question instead of doing the mods job. Plus this question is asking about the DEVELOPMENT of ROMS. Sounds like the right section to me don't ya think?
Im really not sure why it has been a while since they have had anything new come out, something I have noticed is that unless there is something really worth while they wont update their roms, why fix something that isn't broken?
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husker91 said:
Or you guys could just answer the poor blokes question instead of doing the mods job. Plus this question is asking about the DEVELOPMENT of ROMS. Sounds like the right section to me don't ya think?
Im really not sure why it has been a while since they have had anything new come out, something I have noticed is that unless there is something really worth while they wont update their roms, why fix something that isn't broken?
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No its not it belongs in the Q&A or general section

husker91 said:
Or you guys could just answer the poor blokes question instead of doing the mods job. Plus this question is asking about the DEVELOPMENT of ROMS. Sounds like the right section to me don't ya think?
Im really not sure why it has been a while since they have had anything new come out, something I have noticed is that unless there is something really worth while they wont update their roms, why fix something that isn't broken?
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I agree that people need to be a bit more user friendly around here, no need to get snarky. BUT this is a DEV only section and this type of question (even if it is about DEV work really doesn't belong here).
There is nothing wrong with ONE person trying to help the person but instructing them that this is not the right place for their post. That is not playing the role of a MOD, that is part of being in a community. If this type of thing wasn't a problem the MODS would not have made the 10 post requirement before you can even post here.

Honestly there hasn't been any new developments. In my mind as it stands EVO's are done. Unless Sprint/HTC release something new there is nothing left to develop. The ROMS are zipaligned, PNG Optimized, Battery scripted, etc. I have some work I could do one the graphics but ROM wise I don't see anything earth shattering on the horizon.

Damage Control i believe is dead for now (i haven't seen anything on another phone)
Fresh i believe flipz has just been busy and really his rom is working and works well and there havent been any major ground breaking updates that need to be addressed. since fresh is a non themed rom it is a little harder to constantly provide updates when there isnt much to change in the build itself.
Evio - see fresh for most of it.
A lot of the sense based roms that are updated constantly are themed roms which gives them a lot more to play with. they can tweak the look etc even when there arent any major new developmental releases. I am in no way saying this is all that is done and there is nothing wrong with it being done just explaining my belief on why some roms are updated much more often then others. With the Evo fast approaching the one year mark you will probably see much fewer major updates coming and much fewer major developments.
This is my personal opinion and is not fact. I base my opinions off what i have seen on the devs twitter streams and own sites. hopefully it provides more answers.

When all things sense die, you can always switch to aosp lol. Its updated with the latest and greatest. I prefer sense my self but as zone said; most sense roms are maxed out, there's nothing left to do to them.
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As soon as the System Dump/ROM leaks out for the Evo 3D, they will have something new to play with.

I never understood why people keep asking for updates to stable ROMs that are based on Sprint OTA releases, like Fresh and Myn's Twopointwo. I read both of those threads, and every couple pages, you get people asking about new versions or updates to complete, working, stable ROMs. What do people expect?
If you want new features like Sense 2.0 or Gingerbread, don't flash a ROM that is based on OTA updates.

i agree, i think the sense roms are at a standstill until an official 2.3/sense 2.0 build comes down the pipe from HTC/Sprint. (assuming the Evo gets sense 2.0/android 2.3)
i love calk's work, EViO is a great rom. i only switched because i fell in love with CM7

husker91 said:
Or you guys could just answer the poor blokes question instead of doing the mods job. Plus this question is asking about the DEVELOPMENT of ROMS. Sounds like the right section to me don't ya think?
Im really not sure why it has been a while since they have had anything new come out, something I have noticed is that unless there is something really worth while they wont update their roms, why fix something that isn't broken?
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+1 .........

Its looking more and more likely that we arent going to get 2.3 on our Evo's..
I also assumed thats why we havent seen any updates.. There isnt an official 2.3 Sense Evo rom to tear apart..

hopefully there enjoying life and not by a computer every night thinking about updates. But this goes to a deeper question that i think is starting to spark up is everybody tired of there evo's already ? U can flash so many roms until u flash out but at the end of the day a evo is still a evo

CheesyNutz said:
No its not it belongs in the Q&A or general section
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I Don't know... so far a lot of the [ROMS] that I've seen are just re-skinned versions of everything else out there, shouldn't most of those go in the Themes and Apps section as well, if we are going to try and get technical ?
I wouldn't technically call half of these ROMS true "Development" but merely Themes, which there is another section for as well. But if you want to get technical:
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This does not actually lay any guidelines as to what is allowed (actually, this was a rather lazy post in regards to setting guidelines (hey, I can't watch people, I'm a Mod, report them if the entire community comes to a consensus as to what should not be here, we will leave it up to the teeming masses, I mean, it worked well enough for Russia after the bolshevik revolution right? Aren't teeming masses of people able to find out what is in the best interest of everyone else that is not them?), what constitutes strictly development, and what constitutes Q&A if it pertains to Development.
It was a valid question about development. People may or may not upgrade their phones and ditch Evo's based on a developer of ROMS as well.

Don't forget Vaelpak
If like myself, one were to prefer some of the Sense elements over the AOSP versions, but also like the obvious increase in performance that comes from the AOSP's lighter weight, don't forget the latest Vaelpak.
Sense ROM-based, but with most of Sense removed. I get my preferred Sense Dialer, VVM, etc, and thanks to Fancy Widget I get a Sense-like clock with more and better functionality. 4G, HDMI, everything works.
There is no perfect ROM, of course it all comes down to preference and opinion anyway. But if anyone is looking for something unique and extremely functional, this is a very interesting option. I flashed his 3.2 about a week ago just to check it out and have not had a reason to leave it...except to flash to the GB ROMs of course!

As was said above, until official gingerbread is out (which we heard was a yes).....don't worry, there will be continued stuff as most of us got screwed with sprint changing the premium upgrades. 2.2 is maxxed out.
Cooler than your EVO

ljohnson1981 said:
Its been awhile since I have seen anything new I can only assume that they are working on other devices. I would love to see a new ROM for any of these.
p.s. No offense to the other Dev's as I do appreciate everyone's hard work.
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LIFE gets in the way sometimes man Calk just had a new baby girl so that is WAY more important than spending all day and night on roms for people to just complain, Damageless was disrespected more than anybody i have ever seen on here sheesh if i was him i would never come back and give time, and Fresh's wife was having some health issues i believe so he had to take care of her.

guyver2077 said:
Its looking more and more likely that we arent going to get 2.3 on our Evo's..
I also assumed thats why we havent seen any updates.. There isnt an official 2.3 Sense Evo rom to tear apart..
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The EVO is getting 2.3 w/Sense, but not until it comes out on a new flagship phone (E3D). I wouldn't expect it until July or August.

What's with all the half-baked roms for our phone?

I noticed quite a lot of sense 3.0 roms have been pumped out recently, the funny thing is none of them are significantly different than the other. majority of these half-baked roms do not even have the basic function of a smartphone (aka connectivity, messaging and such) and they are loaded with broken features. LOL man i'm starting to miss the Fascinate community, majority of the roms we had (kangbang, evil fascinating, etc) are rock solid with 100% functionality as far as roms goes. just saying....

Greetings ben,
I think that you are focusing on how well those roms ran, without remembering how well they started. I came from the Fascinate as well, I ended its call of duty with Evil fascination. None of the roms you mentioned, started without glitches and issues.
The incredible 2 has only had s-off for a couple months. Gingerbread has only been broken for a couple of weeks. The devs are just getting into the meat of the device. It's going to take a bit of time for the developers to turn out their creations, and it's going to take a hell of a lot more patience from the end users.
People seem to forget that these developers don't work for us. The sense of entitlement in these forums is off the chart. Unless you donated to your dev of choice, you haven't had to pay a dime for their continued hard word. Don't let donations fool you into thinking that somehow, the developers owe you anything. Donations are are a sign of respect and appreciation, nothing more.
So until we see a rom developed by you, that comes first day with no glitches, errors or issues, is full of incredible (no pun intended) options and choices, I think that you should maybe show the people working to make your phone experience better, a lot more respect.
I'm not trying to flame you, but your post in a slap in the face to the people making something for you to use freely.

T.M.M.L said:
Greetings ben,
I think that you are focusing on how well those roms ran, without remembering how well they started. I came from the Fascinate as well, I ended its call of duty with Evil fascination. None of the roms you mentioned, started without glitches and issues.
The incredible 2 has only had s-off for a couple months. Gingerbread has only been broken for a couple of weeks. The devs are just getting into the meat of the device. It's going to take a bit of time for the developers to turn out their creations, and it's going to take a hell of a lot more patience from the end users.
People seem to forget that these developers don't work for us. The sense of entitlement in these forums is off the chart. Unless you donated to your dev of choice, you haven't had to pay a dime for their continued hard word. Don't let donations fool you into thinking that somehow, the developers owe you anything. Donations are are a sign of respect and appreciation, nothing more.
So until we see a rom developed by you, that comes first day with no glitches, errors or issues, is full of incredible (no pun intended) options and choices, I think that you should maybe show the people working to make your phone experience better, a lot more respect.
I'm not trying to flame you, but your post in a slap in the face to the people making something for you to use freely.
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Amen to that.

Double Amen.

ben805 said:
I noticed quite a lot of sense 3.0 roms have been pumped out recently, the funny thing is none of them are significantly different than the other. majority of these half-baked roms do not even have the basic function of a smartphone (aka connectivity, messaging and such) and they are loaded with broken features. LOL man i'm starting to miss the Fascinate community, majority of the roms we had (kangbang, evil fascinating, etc) are rock solid with 100% functionality as far as roms goes. just saying....
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I think if your are unhappy with the.state of development or with particular roms it should just probably remain private....developers do this for.free and because.they enjoy doing it
Don't like the.sense roms? Use the 3 fully.functional aosp roms we do have or use rmks debloated stock rom
Also afaik virtous unity is a fully functional sense 3 experience
Can only have 1 ROM on ur phone at a time anyway

nitsuj17 said:
I think if your are unhappy with the.state of development or with particular roms it should just probably remain private....developers do this for.free and because.they enjoy doing it
Don't like the.sense roms? Use the 3 fully.functional aosp roms we do have or use rmks debloated stock rom
Also afaik virtous unity is a fully functional sense 3 experience
Can only have 1 ROM on ur phone at a time anyway
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Not true...
http://androidflip.com/how-to-install-multiple-roms-android-dual-boot-android/
But you are correct in saying that he should just keep his negative comments to himself.

I've tried most of the roms that we have for the Dinc 2 so far, and really, for what little amount of time that the Devs have had to work there magic, I'm amazed at what has been accomplished.
I personally am a fan of Sense, so I have been using Virtuosity Unity for the past week now. I spent a weekend with CM7 and a day with Miui...
I would be happy to use any of these for a daily driver, and do with Unity. I keep Gingersense on my Sd card for a backup/go to rom... I can't say that I would consider any of the roms as bad...
I for one am very thankful for the Devs and what they do to make out phones better. You guys Rock!!

ben805 said:
I noticed quite a lot of sense 3.0 roms have been pumped out recently, the funny thing is none of them are significantly different than the other. majority of these half-baked roms do not even have the basic function of a smartphone (aka connectivity, messaging and such) and they are loaded with broken features. LOL man i'm starting to miss the Fascinate community, majority of the roms we had (kangbang, evil fascinating, etc) are rock solid with 100% functionality as far as roms goes. just saying....
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If you are running into issues, then I would suggest asking for assistance. I'm on a sense 3.0 ROM FULLY functional. You may be missing something.
I dont know how long you had your fascinate, but it took a VERY long time for a fully functional aosp ROM became available to us, not for lack of trying from some amazing devs. Now consider we barely got s-off on gb stock, yet I immediately could load various sense or aosp roms.
Just my opinion.

Virtuous is fully functional. I know nothing wrong with the ROM. Thats kinda why it hasnt been updated in weeks, because it doesnt need it. And like Nitsuj said they do it for free. Do a little more research and reading before you flame the awesome devs we have here.
(We dont want anything happening here like it did with JT. A few of the Fascinate users know what Im talking about on that one.)

I think the issue is more of devs pumping out more than one ROM and not sticking to one build per device.
I understand that this stuff takes time, but I'd really like to see the time (and our donations) go to one ROM, not a bunch of different ports or hacks that have lingering bugs that don't get fixed.
I agree with the OP 100%, maybe a different tone could have been used to express the frustration though.
None the less, I'd love to get together with a dev and talk about what us, the community would like to see. I don't like seeing dirty ports of something to come with features that are either missing or can't be fixed.

TheMavic said:
You guys don't see the point. You are so infactuated with his work because it works right for YOU! You seem to forget about all of the other people out there that are having silly problems that could probably be easily fixable but yet instead of devoting his time to fixing those probs he comes out with a new ROM that has the same problems!! Hahaha. I am not even trying to troll but come on... Ahahaha...
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That is easily fixed. Don't use his roms if you aren't happy with it. See? Fixed. Now do as I said earlier and shut your ****ing mouth.
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micdawg12 said:
That is easily fixed. Don't use his roms if you aren't happy with it. See? Fixed. Now do as I said earlier and shut your ****ing mouth.
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Acting like a douche also doesn't help.
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TheMavic said:
You guys don't see the point. You are so infactuated with his work because it works right for YOU! You seem to forget about all of the other people out there that are having silly problems that could probably be easily fixable but yet instead of devoting his time to fixing those probs he comes out with a new ROM that has the same problems!! Hahaha. I am not even trying to troll but come on... Ahahaha...
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what problems are YOU having that you want fixed?
Have you thought that the majority of US know how to properly utilize the roms given to us, thus we have no problems. Maybe you shouldn't look the gift horse in the mouth, and learn where you may be doing something wrong.
Just saying.

micdawg12 said:
That is easily fixed. Don't use his roms if you aren't happy with it. See? Fixed. Now do as I said earlier and shut your ****ing mouth.
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Lol I love this kid.
And seriously just because it has little problems that some people are getting doesnt mean its a bad ROM, or it isnt functional, or has "major problems" like you said. **** stock RUU's have more problems and not to mention bigger ones than anything here in the development section. Especially Newts stuff. Stock GB deletes main system apps. Pretty big problem. And thats from HTC. People that are paid a lot of money to make these. Again these people are doing it for free. And they do one hell of a job. A rom is never going to be perfect there will always be little bugs that cant really be fixed because NOT EVERY PHONE IS THE SAME. One may have a problem that another may not. So if one doesnt work for you use another. He has many options for ROMs from 2.1, to 2.1/3.0, and full 3.0. Something for everyone that are updated regularly. If your going to talk crap about id say our top dev right now then get off this forum. Nobody here wants that kind of flaming.

TheMavic said:
You guys have made my night. Thank you. This is too much fun.
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You should get your X2 back and hit there forums up. Maybe you will appreciate innovation and hard work over there with your 4 Roms and forever stock kernal. Dont come back here.
Oh and also you say were so infatuated with Newts work or whatever. I dont even run his ROMs. Im either on virtuous or MIUI. I test his ROMs for him. And I still know how often he updates them and just how stable they are. Your a fool.

To me this is like being welcomed into a strangers house to use the bathroom, then telling them that it was an awful experience because their toilet paper was not soft enough. Are you entitled to feel that way? Of course. I would just think it is common courtesy to keep those thoughts to yourself.
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APeaceofStrange said:
To me this is like being welcomed into a strangers house to use the bathroom, then telling them that it was an awful experience because their toilet paper was not soft enough. Are you entitled to feel that way? Of course. I would just think it is common courtesy to keep those thoughts to yourself.
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LOL I love that analogy. But i agree with you.

@Mavic. I understand your frustration. I came from the x10 community. We had the same issues. Newt reminds me of a dev named Trip. He would start a rom, get it near perfect then start another. Ever time though his end results were awesome. Another issue coming from Newts side is he makes roms for other devices. None the less he is an awesome dev who is highly respected. Give the devs some time. GB has only been cracked since around the 15th of this month.
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What does "infactuated" mean anyway? Is that a new word for fact-loving? Is is derogatory?

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Feed the troll! I'm hungry!!
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Hey Nicholas Sack, cool it. Stick to plenty of fish.
"Funny thing about that is, is that people are becoming more and more vulnerable to today's cultures of "how to act" and "what to believe". I think the our generation and the ones prior are the last that know how to be independant. With that being said, I could honestly give a **** less about how people view me. If I agree, I agree. If I disagree, then I'll tell you to gtfo.
Life's a *****, then you die."
Bringing daily trolls since 1999.

So it begins to end

Little by little I been noticing the dev's leave from our forums, So what will happen then? Tried myself to start creating a ROM but with no luck.... (laptop acts up most of the time). Anyways, as I was trying to imply what happens when development stops for the Hercules? Guess we will find out soon enough. I don't know if its due to the attitude given to these guys that are doing all this work for free or what? Kinda sad see that 2 developers go. Although their reasoning is personal and private, I can only imagine how they must feel when they do their best to make something for the public and all we do is nag on how bad it is or what can be done to change it.
This ain't to flame anyone or complain. Everyone has their personal likes. That being said why not invest some of that time of criticism and start doing your own. I have not been on this community for long as everyone can tell but I read and read and read. from our forum, the SR forum being that its similar device and its completely different atmosphere between the two. There's so much amicable peoplel there. They're willing to help on another. I just don't see it happening on our forums.Maybe, just maybe we just lost touch of what the community was created for.... to help one another create a better device for our daily use. Not to just constantly put in requests like the Dev is a radio dj . I for one. If its not that then its "this don't work buhuu!!!" It's been noticed here lately that there are sum differences between devices, hardware wise. That alone would drive anyone insane.. Bottom line, implement your personal touch to anything you use in here. That's what will make it your own pride and joy. I totally agree with stating something if it interfered with the functionality of the device. Then again its written very clearly in every single thread of ROM's, do this at your own risk. The developer is by no means responsible for any modifications you do to your device. When you decided to flash whatever it was you did, you took sole responsibility for your actions.
Last but not least, all I can say if it continues to be like this we might to go find new devices to toy with. This weeks its been 2 Devs that left. Next week might be 2 more and before you know it there wont be none. What then? Seriously, what then? With that said I want to say thanks for letting me vent and for creating this site for us (the daily users). Please nobody take any offense in particular for this is just my personal opinion. Doesn't reflect any ones else's but mines. Its a free community so I'm exercising my right to freedom of speech.

this is normal, as new devices emerge, like the SGS3 and Notes 2
Devs are naturally attracted to them
if you want to stay on the same device for a long time, then it's up to ourselves to learn now to compile, tweak, theme, and code the ROMs
a good example are the people over at the old Moto Milestone XT720 phone, that thing sucked when it came out at retail, and it's not very popular, but they took it upon themselves to build ROM from scratch and/or kanged it to make it a great device even after all these years, and the hardware limitation.
very much like the super geeks at the HTC HD2, can you imagine, that ancient relic able to run ICS, and most likely JB in near future

Get a new phone man. I don't plan on staying here much longer. I was tired of this phone 2 weeks after I got it. Its a miracle I'm still on it at all. Besides it has what it already needs. Amazing gingerbread and ICS roms both with great speed and battery life. What else do you want?
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This phone still has potential. Those devs left for personal reasons. I feel confidant that we will see more devs in our forum.
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RushAOZ said:
Get a new phone man. I don't plan on staying here much longer. I was tired of this phone 2 weeks after I got it. Its a miracle I'm still on it at all. Besides it has what it already needs. Amazing gingerbread and ICS roms both with great speed and battery life. What else do you want?
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By no means it was intended for it to be a complaint as I stated. I personally love my S2, my point about the post was due to the current situations of Devs leaving. It seem like there's other reasons being other than personal. And I see it more and more as I read the posts about them getting aggravated about the constant requests. My point being, if all the above including myself feel they can do better why not begin by learning. Rome wasn't built in a day and i totally agree but I don't get how the community here is so much different than in the SR forum. Again it's not a complaint but just a personal opinion.
@ AllGamer, I totally agree wit you sir... alike a lot of us noobs would love to learn the hows and whats of creating custom ROMs but as like I said on my opener I can't due to misbehaving equipment. I've read pages and pages of the software needed and downloaded as best to my knowledge. Even went as far as to allow another community person to go into my laptop and find out where my issue was. The person himself was a Dev and by no means I was told to do so or anything like that. I gave him my permission to try to help me out so I could create from scratch without any luck. What my point is that maybe we're (myself included) have lost the purpose here and have made it to where we feel its owed to us to make things our way. Then again that's my opinion.

LoopDoGG79 said:
This phone still has potential. Those devs left for personal reasons. I feel confidant that we will see more devs in our forum.
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Not only that. I just find that cm9 especially took a huge downfall once cm10 began to exist. I don't believe any time soon our devices will lack development. It's just there is so much out there to be done yet one questions "where do you even start!?" Personally once they get a stable build running of cm10 a lot of tweaks will begin getting added along with much kernel support being created. It's just a speed bump in the developer world, not a brick wall
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Looking at it from that point of view I can concur. But just hate seeing good devs run out like that. And to the most part being part of same teams. Weird to me again. Maybe I'm just one of those type of individuals that gets negative vibes about certain things. Just like the fact of it being personal reasons? I don't fully think that was it alone but who knows.
I still stand by my statement about the difference in attitudes between communities. Just seem like there's more "want" to help one another. Here everything is more frowned upon. Favorite reply here is " use the search button" but I'm sure posting a link to answer the question takes about the same amount of time. Or rather yet not reply at all if its just to get in a tantrum about doing it. Maybe its just my personal beliefs. I see it posted all the time, the community is to help regardless if lazy dumb or whatever (sorry about the dumb) but its just derogatory to sum. I'm a total noon but once in a while I have questions. Rather get an I don't know that be told search button is active. Thought it was the principle of this site.
Regardless of anything, its just I see no support on the development here. Either way I'll stop my rant and continue my educational reading.
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Honestly, I noticed the same thing in the SR forum almost instantly when I began reading sk8er's CM10 thread. It felt like "old xda" for me... In the future, I'm going to stick to more popular phones/Nexus devices since they generally have much better communities. That's part of the fun to our devices as gadget geeks IMO.
By the way, which devs left?

Remembering Old school Android for a minute...
I know you personally are not complaining OP, so plese nobody take no offense to any of this. I understand what you're saying and I always mod my own Rom to my liking. I had to learn to do it that way because I wouldn't bug any devs either for little personal things I liked. Just my 2 cents, but when I see threads like this, I have to think back to when I first had my Moto Cliq (big mistake there), my first Android phone, and have a bit of nostalgia. We had 2 developers, Travisjames and HandlerExploit. (props to you both if still around) That was it. The Cliq had no software support and updates were always 6+ months after other phones were receiving them, we couldn't overclock it, it was locked up tight, but somehow they provided a good user experience out of that old 1.5 Android Moto Blur. Lol! Made lemonade out of the sour lemons Moto gave us. I helped them by making some themes and learned alot about Android during this time just to give something back to the community. Everyone still begged Handler and Travis for ETA's, *****ed at them when things were going wrong, but considering they were the only 2 devs for the cliq, I always just encouraged their great work and tried to help them work through it, because those were are only two solid options for a good Rom. Whether you liked some things about it or not, they were still better than stock.
My Point in the end? That phone had basically only 2 Roms (in it's early days) for each software release that dropped. No kernels since that wasn't possible yet, and only 3-4 themes to choose from (one made by me after frustration of not finding a style I loved). Anything else had to be tweaked to your liking through trial and error, googling, or asking devs for help. That's when I learned how much hard work goes into some seemingly "Small" fixes or tweaks. Android is much bigger of a thing now, and we have so many different Roms out here to choose from. I feel lucky to be able to choose from: Sammy Roms, MIUI, AOKP, CM7/9 then 10, Paranoid, etc. and then onto mods: kernel choices, Overclocked, undervolted, different boot screens and themes (esp on MIUI/CM's), tweaks, etc. For a phone that dropped with GB I think were doing a pretty damn good job!
I know some devs will eventually leave with new devices arriving, as they have with the last 3 Android phones/2 tablets I've owned, but this community has alot to choose from... I'd personally like to say Thank You, to each and every Dev that has stuck with us, even if only for a little while. You have brough tons of choices, tons of speed, battery life, and beauty to this device. I don't know about anything but themeing myself, so I rely on all you guys to put out something hot. You never disappoint! If someone can't find a Rom/Kernel combo to fit their needs on here, they might never be happy!

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Honestly, I noticed the same thing in the SR forum almost instantly when I began reading sk8er's CM10 thread. It felt like "old xda" for me... In the future, I'm going to stick to more popular phones/Nexus devices since they generally have much better communities. That's part of the fun to our devices as gadget geeks IMO.
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Jamison904 and TheTechNiq left, due to deving took to much time away from there families .
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Jamison904 and TheTechNiq left, due to deving took to much time away from there families .
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It's time to upgrade then

Due to my infancy in time here I cant comment about the past on this site, "but" it still mind boggles me that at some point and time I cant contribute. I don't mind testing by no means. Being that at this point in time and due to equipment faultiness I can't do more than that. But my point is that there is a sort of aura that just don't mingle well with me. One point I seen that has mortified the crap out of me has been just the way people address others around. Like there is some sort of machismo just because he/she knows better or been around longer. Like i said maybe its just me, maybe its just my persona. Most of my posts are either checking in to report any issues with X Rom or so forth, questions or trying to help someone else with any questions that they might have as long as I'm capable of actually helping with.. With that being said, I fully understand that t the dev threads are intended for just that but why not keep them locked up other than to the people that want to test. Per say- as a form of request to be a tester or something before opening .
Just seems that the Devs get aggravated at anyone that comes in asking about small things just cuz there was no reading done what so ever. For good reason tho, its supposed to be for bug related posts, troubleshot and all of that. Maybe implement a form prior to opening the thread of any given ROM that states everything and what not works on it prior to allowing the user just go in and ask frivolous questions ( even understanding that no question is small in importance). But i see that being the main argument in the threads. Thought that was the purpose of the video? These are just my opinions. I'm just a grain of salt in all this sea.
Also would like to THANK everyone that puts forth an effort to make something out of nothing to make the t989 that much better for us.Guess it makes me a bit sensitive to see guys come up wit awesome work and then all the sudden it all falls apart. Either way that's my 2 cents. Thanks also to you guys that took the time to come in here for a read and for the input.

There will be many more devs for the t989. I've read the same s.it more than a year ago on the t959 forum. Their dev section is more "vibrant" than ever.
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Funny I was damn sure thinking the same thing myself. I came from a PPC6700 forum years ago where we had a kitchen and could make our own roms which was great. Then I had an Evo, Evo3D, Epic Touch and now Galaxy 2 and I must admit this forum is lacking with rom choices. I look at the development page and see threads last reply was a week or so ago still on page 1. That would not last an hour in the old Evo forums.
I get it that developers leave because of family and personal things but think about it. If we the end user did not complain and ask for this and that which I honestly feel some of it we could do ourselves, would that not leave them to more pure developing time. Which honestly if things are running right or small things need to be fixed and can be done by others it allows the developer more time to themselves.... Jus Sayin
The helping each other out is wonderful as well but hey the I can't find a kernel or where is this rom located in a forum with maybe half a dozen developers and main threads really never leaving Page 1 and you can't find it... Helping fine spoon feeding is another and the laziness is what causes a lot of bickering. I know just give them the answer but what about you helping yourself... I hope more developers come or at least they perfect AOKP JB since thats my favorite..
Good luck developers and good luck community... rant ova!

I hope the devs don't drop out, I just got the TMobile version. $99 @ target for the s2, or $229. Makes the math kind of obvious.
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Its not going to die no time soon its just the lack of interest that I fear most. Maybe at a later time or so they might get the ball rolling again but at the present it time seem a little weak. Well that's in comparison to our twin site( SR forum). Like I said before and I'll repeat again, its all about benefiting both end parties. Pops used to tell me and seem to fits well here, "one hand can't be cleaned up by itself, takes 2 to get it the way is supposed to be. " That's all my point is meant to be directed to. Not start world war 3 or nothing. Just feel like we are falling behind and its our own fault. If we have enough time to complain or address issues we also have time to help better the problem itself by addressing it and trying to solve it. Better yet, get this general threads or q&a threads just for that... I've personally seen ROMs with 400 or more pages and nothing is clarified. There's all sorts of people completely lost on steps on how to even install (flash) a certain ROM. There's guides yes but we all been to school here, we know that learning is not easy for everyone. Sh00t!!! Everyday is a learning experience. But some of us take longer than others.
Maybe its just my petpeeve to feel this way. But I know Im not alone when I say this, if there's someone that needs help and I can do it, no matter how small it is... I'll be there to do so.and if I can't help at least I'll learn something by helping that person search for the answers.
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I must be really out of it.
Who.. did we lose?

Lost another one today on a joking issue. Jamison , Thetechniq and BB today... and they continue to drop like flies.. who knows...
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dont we still have team chopsticks and TDJ?

Rekzer said:
dont we still have team chopsticks and TDJ?
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Yes. Though TDJ is on a break from what I recall.. He certainly deserves it.

I feel like expressing myself about the roms and kernels available right now for S3;

I've been around since cyanogenmod was just another rom along with bugless beast and whatever the hell was running things on eclair/mytouch and ive compiled kernels hundreds of times back when slackware linux 3.5 was out so i feel like im somewhat of a vet and i appreciate the fact that i have a nice little linux device permanently connected to a broadband connection with so much support in a neat little package.
=)!
and yet i never say anything on XDA i just appreciate... unfortunately i cant post in the development forum because i dont say much ;/
big thumbs up to cyanogenmod for taking their work so seriously and being so persistent, you guys must really love what you do, trust me i know the feeling =]
i just got this phone last week and before i did anything i rooted and installed the latest CM with whatever kernel appealed to me in the dev forum and i thought seriously my screen was defective i had no idea it was just a rom/kernel issue so im glad that over with.
i updated to cm22, and the flicker started again when using the 4/20 KT kernel so ill just stick with cm20 +kt420 for now what an unbelievable combo!
and i'm kinda disappointed in AOKP every time i check the AOKP/task thread somebody is always complaining about something that doesn't work... AOKP used to be my favorite. (when the ICS days began atleast.. i loved it on my gnex)
and by the way... to people having problems flashing between kernels, when you flash a kernel, wipe cache/dalvik, then flash the rom again, then gapps, then the new kernel. kernels include more things than just addition lines of code nowadays and thats the simplest way to work around most issues i see people posting about.
that is all!

Somebody is always complaining about things not working? I see every post in my thread and I don't see what you are talking about. 99.9% of the people that post state how well everything works. The people that complain are the ones that don't follow the simple installation instructions. You might need to read through the thread again. Or just try it out for yourself.

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Somebody is always complaining about things not working? I see every post in my thread and I don't see what you are talking about. 99.9% of the people that post state how well everything works. The people that complain are the ones that don't follow the simple installation instructions. You might need to read through the thread again. Or just try it out for yourself.
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+1, agreed.
Just like the guy who wants to request a theme for a rom, that morphology has for that same rom.
READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coming from the skyrocket which had a pretty good community I am really pleased with what developers do in their spare time and decide to share when it comes to this device.
There are so many options it can keep a flash junkie busy for a while.
Keep up the great work devs!
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I love these threads....I have an idea: If you are disappointed why don't you step up and create a solution or make your own ROM? Its easy to complain about FREE work when you don't contribute whatsoever.

True, don't complain about something people spend all their time on and give away for free ...
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We have a large dev community compared to many devices out there. I actually came from a galaxy nexus because I got bored of only aosp roms that were all pretty much the same.

(sorry, had to do it )

Tasks AOKP is by far the best ROM out there for the AT&T S3. I have run it longer than any other ROM i've tried and have had absolutely zero problems with it. I will never use anything else for this phone. Just my personal experience of course.

Whoaa guys ease up on the bashing... OP had only one sentence in his post that was negative everything else was positive.
I think everyone appreciates the hard work and time that devs put into all the different roms/kernels available out there.

Up until the late, I can agree that the 3.4 kernel builds (for any ROM including Tasks) weren't all that great which is why I was using CarbonROM with the BMS kernel (3.0).
But I updated to Tasks 4/23 and everything has been great...super super smooth.

Tasks updated kernel has been smooth. I'm running his newest now, flashes it a few hours ago and love it. The devs for the S3 are wonderful. So many more options than other android phones I've had in the past.
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If I'm reading right, OP is disappointed in AOKP and Task's AOKP.... and hasn't tried them yet?
It takes me longer to download a ROM than it does to flash it, restore data and check out all the main features for functionallity..... and you're calling them out by name without trying them?
Gutsy move.

Nothing wrong with AOKP and we have a fantastic aosp community. They seem to be more active then the original development. If anything I'm disappointed with the lack of touchwiz ROMs. All and all. We have a good community and a good group of developers here. /end thread.
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This thread sucks, I want the last 5 minutes back

3rd party ROMs are always works in progress. its not like anyone here is hiding the fact that these are all "in development". not all ROMs are "for" everyone, but that's the beauty of it, there's a flavor for everyone.
I personally prefer ROMs that are subtle improvements to the stock experience which give me a more enhanced version of what Samsung intended. BUT, there are times I'll think about getting a nexus 4, so I'll run a aosp/cm/aokp based ROM while scratching that itch. or those days I wished I had a note 2, we've got options with multi window and page buddy fully working.
if you don't like it, don't use it... simple as that. I've never critisized a ROM or developer if I don't "get" their work, that just means its not a good fit for me and I move on.

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This thread sucks, I want the last 5 minutes back
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Here you go, enjoy!

Task and his minions bashing another nice guy stating his appreciation...... Big surprise.
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Task and his minions bashing another nice guy stating his appreciation...... Big surprise.
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Huh?
1.) Looks as though you forgot something as simple as reading. Read my post again. If you consider any of that one post as bashing then I think you might need to check the emotional state you are in at the time that you read it.
2.) You're definitely not reading the OP. He pretty much stated that he hasn't even tried the ROM before judging it. That right there speaks for itself.
3.) Please do yourself a favor and grow up a little. Stirring up the pot with the highschool antics doesnt accomplish anything.
4.) Gold stars for you dude. Keep on contributing this wasteful drama here in a development site. That makes a ton of sense.