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So I recently ordered a 16 GB micro sd card off Amazon since I've been using my MT4G for music and leaving my ipod at home, and wanted to bump up my capacity. Anyway, it's a Patriot Class 4 card, and I'm having some trouble. I inserted it into the phone, and selected 'format sd card' from settings, did it, but when I mounted sd card via usb to transfer files, it was going SO SLOW. Like, 50 minutes to transfer 200 MB or so. So...my question is, is there something I'm supposed to have done and didn't do? Or is it a bad card, or what? Because my 8 GB stock card was only class 4, and was MUCH faster.
Thanks for any insight!
Try using windows to format it using the default allocation size. I have seen some talk in the "32gig class 10" thread that doing this really sped up the transfer speeds of the cards over what you get when letting the phone format it.
Good luck.
rrrjr said:
Try using windows to format it using the default allocation size. I have seen some talk in the "32gig class 10" thread that doing this really sped up the transfer speeds of the cards over what you get when letting the phone format it.
Good luck.
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Thanks for the help. I'm really unsure about what to do, been searching and can't really figure out if the card is bad or if I haven't formatted it correctly. Unfortunately, I'm on a macbook, so don't use Windows. Usually, there is a mac equivalent for anything windows can do, so I'll see what my options are. It's just driving me crazy, because it'll take DAYS to transfer all my music lol. Not sure why no one else has jumped in to help me out. Either no one knows anything about it, or it's such an obvious answer that I'm embarrassing myself. Either way, I'd love to hear which it is so I know how f-ed I am.
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Thanks for the help. I'm really unsure about what to do, been searching and can't really figure out if the card is bad or if I haven't formatted it correctly. Unfortunately, I'm on a macbook, so don't use Windows. Usually, there is a mac equivalent for anything windows can do, so I'll see what my options are. It's just driving me crazy, because it'll take DAYS to transfer all my music lol. Not sure why no one else has jumped in to help me out. Either no one knows anything about it, or it's such an obvious answer that I'm embarrassing myself. Either way, I'd love to hear which it is so I know how f-ed I am.
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try doing a full format instead of a quick format with windows.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00413PF6G
I ordered that card last week and had the same issue you had. Max of like 2mbs transfer whether I mounted it through the MyTouch 4G USB, Included adapter or my USB card reader. I tried the panasonic formatting tool and half the time it would kill my card reader or just fail. Messed with it for like 4 days and couldn't find anything that helped. Must be a incompatibility, It was returned and I just received a Transcend 16gb Class 4. Transfer average 4-6mb depending if it's a large file or tons of smaller files.
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So I recently ordered a 16 GB micro sd card off Amazon since I've been using my MT4G for music and leaving my ipod at home, and wanted to bump up my capacity. Anyway, it's a Patriot Class 4 card, and I'm having some trouble. I inserted it into the phone, and selected 'format sd card' from settings, did it, but when I mounted sd card via usb to transfer files, it was going SO SLOW. Like, 50 minutes to transfer 200 MB or so. So...my question is, is there something I'm supposed to have done and didn't do? Or is it a bad card, or what? Because my 8 GB stock card was only class 4, and was MUCH faster.
Thanks for any insight!
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I've done alot of testing for sd cards and android because i had similar issues with my patriot SD card and I've found that a 32K cluster sizes gives great speeds. Only time you really need smaller is if u are using a actual hard disk or if your average file size are around 3-10 Kb but with mp3 and most other files being around 3-10Mb you lose alot of and speed as a result of having smaller clusters.
Now say u use maverick maps and have cached over several million tiles all of which are 1kb each then use a smaller cluster size to save space or those millions of 1k tiles could fill a entire 8 gig card as opposed to actual size of 700Mb but it will take a horrendously long time to transfer to those card. so its a trade off.
So bottom line use a 32k allocation table. It will give you good optimization of space and speed.
I have also found that formatting the sd card with the phone rather than with my mac also causes slow transfer rates so I format all my sd cards on my mac (or pc) before putting them in my phone. Transfer rates are much quicker that way.
I have Kingston 16gb class 10 and I would only average 1-2mb/s when copying files over.
I reformatted in via Windows to a few different cluster sizes and did some testing with my phone.
For my usage I went with a 64k cluster size. My copy speeds to the card average 13mb/s. I don't really store small files on the card so I'm not worried about excessive space use right now.
So the rumor is no SD card slot on this baby? I'm wondering how much it will matter? I am not too worried about room. I will just buy the biggest one available in terms of internal storage and be covered there. I'm more worried about development. I have rooted and installed custom Roms on my current Samsung Continuum, thanks to the good folks on this forum, and every method involves flashing the rom from the SD card. How will this be different without one? Is installing custom roms/themes, etc more difficult? I've never owned a Nexus S or any other phone that didn't have the SD card, so I am not sure how that works. T
Its not a rumor. And flashing from internal memory should not be a problem.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
pukemon said:
Its not a rumor. And flashing from internal memory should not be a problem.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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Yeah they do it from the touchpad for cyanogen.
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It matters to some people. Doesn't matter to me. Never filled up my 16gb. NAND memory is way faster than sd cards.
It won't matter to flashing roms.
It will shipped partitioned like the Nexus S. Nexus S has no issues with it at all.
The internal memory is partitioned I have the nexus s on the box it says 16gb( I know with all my hard drives on all OS that you never get full capacity)
They partition it off and whats left over is then made to look like the SD card for android's storage purposes. You will not miss a thing when it comes to flashing roms and such, since the storage part still mounts the same way.
I rarely need the storage but those one the fence dontgforget about google music(and other services) that will backup your music to teh marvelous cloud and let you stream and even download for offline play to your phone
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I rarely need the storage but those one the fence dontgforget about google music(and other services) that will backup your music to teh marvelous cloud and let you stream and even download for offline play to your phone
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That's exactly the error i made when purchased the old Nexus S
I was also a PRO preacher of cloud storage (combined i have aprox 70+ GB of free cloud storage among different services), until reality hit me in the back
all those space was useless the moment you lose reception with 3G or WiFi
basically if you are in a subway, or your work place is several walls away, don't expect to get a new batch of streaming music or whatever important file you needed to pull from the cloud.
the 14 GB space you get in the phone is no where near enough for anything, after install apps, and few good games, and couple of nandroid backups.
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the 14 GB space you get in the phone is no where near enough for anything, after install apps, and few good games, and couple of nandroid backups.
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The sgs2 has 11.5gb free space so im sure the gs will have the same, and your right this isn't enough especially with backups.
There will be a 32GB model, so there shouldn't be an issue.
I was really looking forward to this phone but the lack of sd card support just ruined it for me. It's not just the principle of it (charge 50-100 bucks more for a bigger ram chip that cost maybe $5) but I for one take advantage of having a swappable sd card.
It can especially come in handy on a phone that is soft-bricked.
I'm OK without one. I had two different SDcards from different manufacturers fail on me, causing me to loose my files.
I have not run into that issue using the internal memory in my phone.
My tablet does not have an SDcard, so I've adjusted quite well without one.
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I don't understand why people say having no sdcard is a deal breaker. It's the same damn thing. Big deal you can't swap out cards, all you have to do is mount usb mass storage then ZOMG you can change your data. People will complain about anything no matter what device comes out.
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I don't understand why people say having no sdcard is a deal breaker. It's the same damn thing. Big deal you can't swap out cards, all you have to do is mount usb mass storage then ZOMG you can change your data. People will complain about anything no matter what device comes out.
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I agree. I think it may still sell well without one. The iPhone doesn't have one, and they sell that phone by the millions.
As long as I can use a file manager, store any type of file type on it, and install custom ROMs if i so choose, then I'm good.
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i can understand how it can be a deal breaker. people who flash daily would rather use an expendable sd card whose write cycles are limited. and some people do have to move data frequently but i'm sure those have figured out how to do it wirelessly. and then you have your secret agents where being discrete with the passing of information is crucial. kinda serious with that. and then you have the peeps who just have to have their entire collection of music on them because the phones these days do more than double duty. i need to go through my phone again, but right now i'm using about 16gigs of data. approximately 10 gigs is music. then some books. a couple of backups. sync'ed data. maybe 1 gig of pictures. and videos can require lots of data and having a 32gig or 64gig sd can be a tremendous help.
why no Micro SD?
yeah, I'm sure other have posted this, so what. anyway, why would they not put one in to the Nexus phones? removable memory is an excellent feature to have, and can't be that expensive to add a reader if EVERY phone but the iPhone and Nexus has them. it's a total dealbreaker for me and many others.
the real problem is, if Google just made a little more effort to make the Nexus phones competitive by giving it this basic feature, more people would get them, and then there would be more pressure for OEMs to stop filling phones with bloat and their crappy unstable hacks (Sense, touchwiz etc.) that are dragging Google's platform down with fragmentation.
This question has been asked many times and I guess we'll never know for sure but it is Google who's ideology is to keep people online as much as they can. It makes sense to limit local storage and push people towards using cloud storage, particularly with the launch of Google Music where you can store all your music with Google anyway (which would free up a lot of space). Its a great idea, too bad 90% of us have capped data plans and streaming is not possible (unless carriers make it unmetered)
Keep in mind. We have a 32gb model available. With everything going to the cloud, I know that I rely much less on physical storage. Especially with Google Music. (I keep about 1k of my 4.5k songs locally on my phone)
The only thing I would need storage for would be apps, pictures, and a few movies. More than enough.
May be they rely on the USB Host mass storage feature.
developer.android.com/guide/topics/usb/index.html
Hopefully, the Galaxy Nexus will support the USB devices listed on this page:
developer.android.com/reference/android/hardware/usb/UsbConstants.html
I think it has to do with memory speed and performance. Removable memory is great, but personally in a smartphone I don't see the need. Once I activate a phone I never remove the SD card. If I need to xfer a bunch of files to or from my PC, I'll hook it up via USB.
How many of you remove your card on a regular basis to put in a different device? I guess its those people that would benefit from a removable card.
The rest of us should be happy with the extra speed and performance from using onboard memory.
Oh and 32gb is the limit on the microSD cards anyway so I don't see the problem of "limited" space on one's device.
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I'm annoyed there isnt any microSD slot! But I have been surviving with an 8gb microsd for years now and only use 2-3gb max..so I'll survive without it I guess.
Good thing is that the built in storage will be much quicker to save on!
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I'm annoyed there isnt any microSD slot! But I have been surviving with an 8gb microsd for years now and only use 2-3gb max..so I'll survive without it I guess.
Good thing is that the built in storage will be much quicker to save on!
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Same here, my 8GB microSD has 2-3GB free and a fair chunk of it is for backups from messing with ROMS and Titanium backups, in addition to the usual app data, music, photos and videos.
Given it looks like for some odd reason we may only be getting the 16GB version in the UK, I think I'll be fine with the 16GB version.
Like the title says, I'm curious to see how many people actually wanted this function. I was a bit disappointed when I heard about the lack of removable memory, but I lust after this phone. I do have a 16GB card that's near capacity. I haven't cleaned it out in a while, so I'll do that first. Hopefully 16GB will be enough for me. But I digress, this isn't a rant about how the Galaxy Nexus doesn't have removable memory. This thread is more about seeing the percentage of people who did want this function.
I did want it, just like I wanted it on the NS. But I understand that I don't NEED removable storage and will be buying the GN the first chance I get. And given the choice, I'll probably go with a 16GB version, because I still have about 4GB of free space on my NS.
I really wanted an sdcard slot on it. I will have to import the phone as the 32GB versions as there seems to be no current plans to sell that version in Sweden according to Samsung themselves. 32GB is minimum for me. I had hoped to be able to get a 32 GB version and then plug in my 32 GB microsd for even more storage.
Wanted it, but mostly because i got a 32GB MicroSD card already
All of my storage is wasted on nandroids anyway.
The lack of the card slot (which even my Nexus One has) is a real shame - it would only have cost a few pence to include a card slot unless there is something I have missed. The slot would have been preferred to the barometer by the vast majority of people - if we had to choose one or the other.
If they were releasing the 32GB in the UK i wouldn't have wanted an SD slot as that would be enough for me. But as we're only getting the 16GB for whatever reason i would want an SD.
As they're not doing either i'll have to stay with my GS2.
i know i'm having issues with my card slot and/or SD card on my Fascinate. It'll say my SD card is ejected when it's not. I'm starting to think the omission of a card slot isn't so bad.. less moving parts = less things to break? lol
Not too bothered about it at all, never take my card out of the current phone.
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less moving parts = less things to break
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Exactly!
I was a little upset about no SD at first, but then realized that I haven't taken the card out of my N1 since I first got the phone and used it to transfer stuff to the new phone...easy enough to do with a USB and 5 minutes.
Only thing that bums me out is I basically can't get the 16GB because if I run out of space I'm hosed.
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Only thing that bums me out is I basically can't get the 16GB because if I run out of space I'm hosed.
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Use the cloud... everyones doing it heh.
Besides stuff that needs to be on the phone, almost everything (music, docs, photos) are in the cloud for me.
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fdm1 said:
Exactly!
I was a little upset about no SD at first, but then realized that I haven't taken the card out of my N1 since I first got the phone and used it to transfer stuff to the new phone...easy enough to do with a USB and 5 minutes.
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You are totally missing the point of the sdcard slot. The biggest advantage is being able to upgrade the amount of storage if you need it. The fact that it costs next to nothing now makes it even better. Also, a less used upside is the ability to read it even if your phone stops turning on at all.
To me, the best solution would be to have lots of internal storage but still have the option of an sdcard for extra storage for movies, lossless audio and other big files if the user wanted. I would be totally fine with it being used entirely for user storage. Any form of cache files that are currently stored on the sdcard probably belongs on the internal memory.
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You are totally missing the point of the sdcard slot. The biggest advantage is being able to upgrade the amount of storage if you need it. The fact that it costs next to nothing now makes it even better. Also, a less used upside is the ability to read it even if your phone stops turning on at all.
To me, the best solution would be to have lots of internal storage but still have the option of an sdcard for extra storage for movies, lossless audio and other big files if the user wanted. I would be totally fine with it being used entirely for user storage. Any form of cache files that are currently stored on the sdcard probably belongs on the internal memory.
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Well you got a small screen so movies shouldnt be large in size and phones probably aren't the best devices to playback lossless audio to make a difference audibly.
I'm pro SD card though but really you just slap a large one in there and forget about it. I do use it as a quick medium to transfer custom roms and kernels to my buddies... pictures to my gf... etc. Seemed transfers were faster directly using the SD card vs going through the phone... but with the cloud and wireless transfer methods, its a mute point.
Most stuff can be in the cloud such as pictures and music and even nandroid backups (only need a few locally). I keep games/apps/wallpapers locally but those could even go to the cloud. As long as I can download them when I need them. And you don't need to have a whole movie collection on you at all times. Just a few throwbacks for travels.
My collection spans since my nexus one and its maybe 4-5gb minus music
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
i got a good collection of 32GB that i parked since i got stuck with Nexus S, i was really hoping GN would have the SD slot
and just purchased a 64GB microSD, with no where to use it on the GN
what am I going to do with my class 10 MicroSD?
I did want it. But I guess its cool that they're selling a 32gb version, just hope it's not an outrageous price. But I've never modded a phone without removable storage before. Either way, I'm buying on launch day.ill be importing from the UK since T-Mobile hasn't said a peep about it and I don't feel like waiting another month or two or three
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still hope
Ummm my xoom has usb host with honeycomb , I'm guessing its in ics as well?.. just POP that micro sd into a usb adapter when needed if true
i dont care about SD suport.
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Ummm my xoom has usb host with honeycomb , I'm guessing its in ics as well?.. just POP that micro sd into a usb adapter when needed if true
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USB host in ICS is confirmed by google and many review on the net
Hi,
I just got a brand new Galaxy Nexus and I wanted to ask about the internal SD card.
It is to my understanding that normal SD cards die over time with use (if you keep copying files on and off it).
I want to watch heaps of videos on GNex and I was wondering if the internal SD would 'die' quicker if I kept on copying video files onto it over and over again.
Thanks for any help.
-FireStampler
Its not an internal SDcard, its a virtual path on the internal storage that's an "SDcard". I highly doubt you'll ever read/write enough on the flash storage to negatively affect it in the phone's lifecycle.
martonikaj said:
Its not an internal SDcard, its a virtual path on the internal storage that's an "SDcard". I highly doubt you'll ever read/write enough on the flash storage to negatively affect it in the phone's lifecycle.
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Challenge Accepted... just kidding,
Thanks
Theoretically, yes.
And I actually posed the same question about Swap and Zram to my Kernel Developer.
I got a fairly long post about how (again, theoretically, yes) it may impact after years of use...but not to the extend that I shouldn't be able to complete my two year contract or anything similar.
While this was my original assumption, the reassurance felt nice.
That...and have you ever had an SDcard **** out on you?
I never have. Nor have I heard of it happening to anyone I know (aside from 1/100000000 people online...you know).
Tl;DR
Writing constantly to the internal storage CAN impact performance negatively.
But it'd be an extreme case to have this impact you during the years that you own the device.
If I'm not mistaken, current generation MLC NAND starts to degrade after around 10,000 writes cycles, so that should last you quite a while .
Jubakuba said:
...That...and have you ever had an SDcard **** out on you?
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Tl;DR
Writing constantly to the internal storage CAN impact performance negatively.
But it'd be an extreme case to have this impact you during the years that you own the device.
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No but a friend who does photography has had a 2gb one die a while back and I've had a mechanical hard drive (although this is totally different to flash storage ) crap out on me just a few days ago.
This is my first smartphone so I want to be cautious but I also didn't buy it just so it would sit there doing nothing
Thanks for your advice, hope I can make this phone last a few years.
Hey guys
Im looking for a mod to swap my 64gb microsd to internal memory.
Is there any way to do this?
I've tried existing mods and app but nothings happened.
Thanks for guiding me.
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arses said:
Hey guys
Im looking for a mod to swap my 64gb microsd to internal memory.
Is there any way to do this?
I've tried existing mods and app but nothings happened.
Thanks for guiding me.
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why don't you use folder mount? is an amazing app!
Why???
I just don't understand why anyone in their right mind would want to swap fast internal memory for slow external memory.
External memory will always be slower than internal. I have over 300 apps and half of my internal storage space. As for my 64gb sd card, I have 54 gb used in mp3 The rest is for uploading movies and photos.
No issues with app speeds and video and audio playback.
Well gooberdude, it is possible to get pretty darn quick UHS-I cards now. With a USB 3 port and adapter, mine is darn fast for like $25 off Amazon's gold box. Problem is how fast the actual slot is lol.
In some products it can actually be better to do a swap. On the old Transformer Prime (TF201) and perhaps many Tegra 3 products, the flash chips are so crappy that even a good external card and some duct tape (to keep it in) can be a performance improvement. I've not seen a Samsung device use such crappy storage but then again, I've only used Galaxy S and Galaxy Note, not their budget fair.
In regards to the OP - rooting your tablet and using FolderMount as gooberdude suggested, it is a far less involved procedure. It is best if you just want to move some stuff from internal /storage/emulated/0 (aka /data/media, /sdcard, and /storage/sdcard).
Towards a real swap, it is usually possible by modding your system to think the external is the internal and doing some appropriate partitioning/data magic wand waving. This is an involved enough process vs what the typical PC user understands how to do that I generally DO NOT RECOMMEND unless you are a developer and comfortable building Android from source, hacking the source, and flashing code. In which case, you can also use Google and find out how to do it and how Android handles mounting file systems. Hint: look at Sony and ASUS mods.