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hello,
their seems to be a few posts on this being ported to BA recently. ow ive got linux running on my BA fairly well (havent got round to setting up gprs etc yet though but thats a different matter) and id be willing to try and get a port of android working, if someone can extract the 3 img files in the android sdk as ive not managed to do that yet ? anyone want to try and help or am i talking of a lost cause
ok, ill post this incase anyone is watching. i made some progress getting andriod running but i keep getting seg fault tryingto run it, any1 who could provide insight let me know pelase
Unfortunately I can't help you but I'll be keeping a VERY close eye on this thread!
Good luck, I'm sure there are a whole load of people who'd buy you a beer if you succeed.
Steve
glad to see someones watching . ill have another play around over weekend see what i can come up with
it will be interesting to see how android works on BA keep up with the good work
Nice.
I like my BA and I don't wont to change it until an open linux mobile is avaible (an open Iphone could be great).
Maybe a sub-forum called "Blue angel linux" could help.
I'm bored or a problem with the actual BA linux is the acces to the wifi chipset?
And this seems noise. And I don't want to pay for having linux on my BA!
http://www.a-la-mobile.com/news/press/pr080114.html
aperles said:
I'm bored or a problem with the actual BA linux is the acces to the wifi chipset?
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Not the access, but a nice gui/setup.
remember linux is designed primarily for people who know what their doing. yes theirs guis now which help but you stil need command line to use linux properly. except on the iPhone and android from what ive seen
actually there was an earlier thread regarding android. and with 921+ adding 200+ views here, We bet there are people that are REALLY interested porting this.
hope we get it up and running.
anything for our BA.
even alternatives to WM6 are welcome.
well im not having a lot of look, it seems to be segfaulting pretty much constantly. think its down to the busybox shell though so im going to find a newer one and try that later, does anyone know what version of the arm feature set the BA uses. (because from reading http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973) android only seems to work on devices using ARMv5 featureset. whatever that means)
UPDATE: thats not a problem, the pxa263 in the BA is ARMv5TE so thats ok - gotta love wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XScale)
Further update: ok been reading up a bit more and im doing the risky thing of building my own kernel for android see if i can get round these damn segfaults
ok just thought id post up so people done think ive given up here . still havign issues compiling the linux kernel with the android addidtions. mainly because i ahvent got a proper linux machine at home (only virtual pc on this computer)...dont suppose anyone uses linux and has a decent knownledge of compiling kernels on here ??
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ok just thought id post up so people done think ive given up here . still havign issues compiling the linux kernel with the android addidtions. mainly because i ahvent got a proper linux machine at home (only virtual pc on this computer)...dont suppose anyone uses linux and has a decent knownledge of compiling kernels on here ??
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I've compiled kernels under Linux before, but not for an embedded system like the angel's.
Where did you get the tarballs for everything? And what distro of Linux did you install?
Really, real machine vs virtual machine, in this case, shouldn't matter. It might, but shouldn't.
not so much the fact im using a virtual machine, its the fact im only on a 2mb connection so downloading linux cd images takes ages and since debian is the only distro ive seen which has arm crosscompile tools that work that means 2 dvds or 9+cd images. most of the tarballs ive had to rip direct from the android sdk emulator. i could host them somewhere if someone wants to try and help me out getting a kernel running - after that i think most of android should fall into place on its own, but getting openbinder support in the kernels proving difficult
EDIT/UPDATE: ok just tried installing the arm crosscompiliers on my development dedicated server and it seems to be compiling a kernel as i type (hopefully) so looks to be some progress happening here
Been following your thread with interest.
I should be getting a new PDA from work, so then I could take the risk of bricking my trusty and battered Blue Angel.
Any chance you could post some links to the various bits you are using? Not a step by step (unless you have the time) but the starting points so others can attempt to duplicate your efforts in parallel?
Good luck - I'm rooting for you!
ok, im just tarballing up the files on my webserver now, didnt have any success with kernel, looks like im going to have to take the blueangel drivers etc from the kernel posted on handhelds.org and manually merge the config files into the android kernel image to get it to compile. unless anyone can suggest a way to do that easily (windows or linux routine i dont mind)
the main sites ive used to help out ive listed below
http://benno.id.au/blog/ << somewhere on their theirs a link to the android root filesystem image. (http://benno.id.au/android/system.tar.gz and http://benno.id.au/android/data.tar.gz)
http://nemustech.blogspot.com/2007/12/android-porting-to-real-target-hw.html
http://euedge.com/blog/2007/12/06/google-android-runs-on-sharp-zaurus-sl-c760/
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngelKernel
the three above above links help even though their not scriptly related to android on blueangel
the rest of the files are in http://radiodmp.net/android-files/ - the 365mb file contains the 2 arm cross compilers and also both the newest blueangel linux kernel and the android kernel - as said above these need merging (android kernel needs to be the one that is the final kernel as its newer i believe
edit: ive just put the system and data tars linked above into the folder on my server also to save people time.
hope that helps
if anyone wants any help drop me a message and ill try and help out. will of course keep trying to sort it myself too
Any update on this?
Actively watching this thread and just wanted to know. I'd love to be able to play with Android.
good to see ppl interested. ive not had time to try and merge the kernels yet, hopefulyl might get chance this week
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good to see ppl interested.
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Still watching, still interested!
Keep it up.
Steve
ok managed to hack together the two kernels, compiling it as i type - hopefully it'll workon my BA
Newbie question. I don't understand, what is difference between a kitchen and tools like mamaich's ? At first I thought they were the same but now I'm not sure because I keep seeing references that don't make sense.
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Post removed? That's it? Pardon me....Look, I know this is a newbie question but I am honestly confused as to what the definition of kitchen is. If I use mamaich's tools to prepare, view, etc. I end up with what seems, to me, to be a similar thing as a kitchen. Are they the same? Is there something about a "kitchen" that is fundamentally different than only using the tools? I have read many, many pages here and I'm honestly trying to understand. Please point me in the right direction. Thank you.
edit: sorry, I thought "post removed" in the earlier post meant I got my message removed from the forum by an admin, anyway, my question still stands.
Since the unhelpful member above failed to give you a decent answer, I will help you. Tools are either a program or a set of programs designed to do a task with the roms (for example, Mammich's tools are designed to help you edit the imgfs part of the rom). A kitchen is a set of tools (made by various people) designed to edit the whole rom or most of the rom and build your own custom roms.For future reference, if you ever have any other questions about rom building, let me know and I will help you out as much as I can.
Thank you very much Steven855 and I appreciate the offer to help.
I originally gave an inadequate answer - thus the removed post. Home ill with the flu, Nyquilled up and forgot which section I was in (thought I was in the Kaiser specific section and gave an answer associated with that). No ill intentions, so to speak.
What I will say is the various tools are something a newbie should probably feel comfortable using. Before using a kitchen, read, learn and flash a number of others' custom ROMs. While the great developers here have made cooking custom ROMs very easy with the kitchens, you can cause a lot of problems with your device if you don't know what you're doing.
No ill intentions taken. Like I said, at first I misunderstood and thought my post got nixed by an admin. btw notwithstanding Steven855's helpful answer, I had my question answered earlier on another thread when the same question came up.
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My understanding is the kitchen implies each module (with its associated registry - RGU - files and dlls etc.) is explicitly separated so it can be incrementally and selectively combined. What we are doing here is taking an existing set of ROMs and combining the dlls, exe etc. by hand - there isn't a handy gui where you can select which module you want. Also, the registry is necessarily hand crafted too. So by using the extract/rebuild tools, we are making a ROM, but it isn't a kitchen, more a roadside burger van!
Thanks again, really enjoying this site, and learning alot.
Steven855 said:
Since the unhelpful member above failed to give you a decent answer, I will help you. Tools are either a program or a set of programs designed to do a task with the roms (for example, Mammich's tools are designed to help you edit the imgfs part of the rom). A kitchen is a set of tools (made by various people) designed to edit the whole rom or most of the rom and build your own custom roms.For future reference, if you ever have any other questions about rom building, let me know and I will help you out as much as I can.
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Hi Steven. I was wondering if you knew about ROM cooking for Verizon CDMA devices..ie the i730? I was looking around to see where I would be able to find the bootloader for it but I haven't found any answers yet. Thanks.
Sorry! Unfortunately, I don't know anything about rom cooking for pocket pc phones (yet). I'm still trying to get the hang of this rom building stuff myself (after 2 failed attemps to make an updated rom for the axim X50(mid)).
Hey guys,
I've been trolling the forums for some time now, and I have yet to find the answer that I am looking for in regards to cooking my own ROMs - specifically for the HTC Vogue (Bell). I have looked through all sorts of stickies/readmes, but I still cannot figure out how to put it all together...
I've got a stock ROM from Bell, it has been extracted (so I have the bootloader, .nbh file and so on)...
Now HOW do I extract the .nbf, or even edit it for that matter? The only solution that I have found is the UNIX-based one, but I'll be honest, PERL and I dont get along well...is there a GUI or commandline based solution for WIN32?
I feel dumb for asking, but if someone could help me figure out the editing/compiling/flashing aspect, I'd be forever grateful
Thanks.
Most of the kitchens will take that nbh and parse it out in to the OEM and SYS folders you need.
I would suggest you search for DogGuy's command-line kitchen, and use that as a learning tool as he has batch files that automate most everything, and yet you can go through them to better understand what is happening.
Good luck!
Also some recent threads at ppcgeeks on this topic with useful info.
TGHI said:
Hey guys,
I've been trolling the forums for some time now, and I have yet to find the answer that I am looking for in regards to cooking my own ROMs - specifically for the HTC Vogue (Bell). I have looked through all sorts of stickies/readmes, but I still cannot figure out how to put it all together...
I've got a stock ROM from Bell, it has been extracted (so I have the bootloader, .nbh file and so on)...
Now HOW do I extract the .nbf, or even edit it for that matter? The only solution that I have found is the UNIX-based one, but I'll be honest, PERL and I dont get along well...is there a GUI or commandline based solution for WIN32?
I feel dumb for asking, but if someone could help me figure out the editing/compiling/flashing aspect, I'd be forever grateful
Thanks.
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Here is the link: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=20550
Follow JD's instructions.....Test.....Test.......Test the ROM to make sure its stable before posting for others to use
Thanks D
dawilliams660 said:
Here is the link: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=20550
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Yeah, I did check that post, however, it seemed that they were a step ahead of me...the tools that were provided did not (both gave application errors on launch...?).
Thanks for the replies, any one else have other tips, pointers, etc?
PPCGeeks.com is the answer...I still haven't found it yet...there's too much info on that site. Have you seen this thread:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=18745
By following that method its a TON of work...and that's using a 'kitchen' someone already made. What you and I want to do is create our own kitchen by stripping a stock rom...and there aren't any guides on how to do that...I'm assuming because that's even MORE work. So basically a (TON of work x MORE work) = Fu%$ that.
If you find a somewhat easy way to do this before I do, post it for us!
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PPCGeeks.com is the answer...I still haven't found it yet...there's too much info on that site. Have you seen this thread:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=18745
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Hey, I didn't see that thread yet, looks interesting, thanks!
Now, I can't wait 'till I get home from work...
06/16/2011
The screenshots are not important. This is not a theme!
You can install a theme from here, for example if you like.
The theme it comes with is the:
Go Louncher Classical Theme (The new version of it)
The software installed is also not important, because you can remove it.
Google Market is installed, and you can install what ever you like, just like on your computer.
https://market.android.com
This is the actual Android Froyo operating system for the HTC Kaiser
So, stop asking me for screenshots and software installed, it's not relevant.
And the how to install guide is been posted here
Bug reports are welcome, other then that, I don't wont to hear from you.
Don't post a thank you either, there is a bottom for that, and you can also vote on the poll up there, but install and test it first!
Again Bug reports only, please!
I been working on this for 3 days straight, and figure I'll share what I got.
Everything seems to be working, except the camera is blurry, but that seams to be the norm.
Included is the rom, radio and kernel
ROM: 2.2.1
Kernel: 2.6.25
Radio: KAISER 1.70.19.09
Panel: 2
Key Map: US Normal
Resolution: 240x320
Storage: Nand & Nand
Most everything is installed in userspace and can be uninstalled or upgraded.
Oh got GO Launcher EX installed (Also in user space)
Credits:
I stole ideas from, and used following tools:
Makers of atools
Makers of NBH creator
HTC Flasher
kallt_kaffe
Krazy-Killa
dzo (dzo's posts wore a big help. just wish he would answer his own questions after he found the solution)
n2rjt
and many more.
@todo
Resize NAND partitions to the smaller system size
Original post and download Links are posted on my blog:
http://press.pzzazz.net
Can you write something more about this? Is this your system and kernel(compiled yourself)? Any changes?
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Can you write something more about this? Is this your system and kernel(compiled yourself)? Any changes?
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Yeah witch apps are include. Some yours tweaks or etc... ???
MaRekRM said:
Can you write something more about this? Is this your system and kernel(compiled yourself)? Any changes?
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That sounds like a trick question.
Yes, at first I compiled everything my self but then to resolve bugs, I looked at other systems and basically stole stuff from them to fix my bugs. In other words, I can't take all the credit, it was a community effort.
Neo2SHYAlien said:
Yeah witch apps are include. Some yours tweaks or etc... ???
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I removed most everything from the system and installed it in user space. So the system is very lean. You can uninstall what you don't like.
how is the rom？just waiting to see
gruessle ...!! thanks for your efforts in getting this done... I been looking from long time to install Android on my HTC TyTN II. However i was not able to get the proper build...
can you share the screenshots of the build which you provided as well some steps at high level on installing this..
Thanks in advance.
Please, I don't really understand how to go upgrade this. I find it hard to do. Is everything needed packaged in this download, or please can u list things needed to change to android. I'll appreciate your response.
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Please, I don't really understand how to go upgrade this. I find it hard to do. Is everything needed packaged in this download, or please can u list things needed to change to android. I'll appreciate your response.
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here is the howto
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680518
kkp said:
gruessle ...!! thanks for your efforts in getting this done... I been looking from long time to install Android on my HTC TyTN II. However i was not able to get the proper build...
can you share the screenshots of the build which you provided as well some steps at high level on installing this..
Thanks in advance.
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The screenshots are not important.
This is not a theme.
You can install a theme from here, for example if you like:
http://golauncher.goforandroid.com/category/themes/
The theme it comes with is the:
Go Louncher Classical Theme (The new version of it)
The software installed is also not important, because you can remove it.
Google Market is installed, and you can install what ever you like, just like on your computer.
https://market.android.com/
This is the actual android froyo operating system.
Anyone else having trouble getting the kernel to install?
I get to 33% and the phone reboots...
Radio installed fine even though I was already using 1.70.19.09, just to be sure I installed everything in the package.
Installed HardSPL 3.34 and a WinMo 6.1 rom (custom) to see whats wrong. Installed L1q1d's kernel and goes right in like it should.
Checked .NBH with NBHCreator and only found 1 thing wrong: kernel set to Eclair instead of Froyo. Changed to Froyo and saved, attempted reflash and still won't go in...
;(Losted);
I also tried to install this kernel but I can't. Flashing in hardspl after few second give folowing error:
00018003
Os Fail
Update Terminate
UPDATE Fail.
Changing parameters in atools not helping. Every another kernel is flashing without problems so it's not phone fault
Gruessle, thanks for your efforts! I want to try your rom but being a noob waiting for more comprehensive list of known errors before flashing it to my kaiser.
Ok, quick "bug report":
After working with the kernel pack multiple times I have come to the conclusion that there might be a bug in the actual kernel file itself, throwing a code back to HardSPL and RUU (how I install).
I first noticed a problem in that the kernel was originally set up for a Polaris and had no resolution set. The size of the file should be unimportant as Scoot's newer kernel is in the order of 3.2-3.3MB in size (with the RIL patch installed it gets even larger), this one is 3,099KB, and l1q1d's is almost always 3,092KB.
The second issue I noticed is with the Froyo package itself... It's split up into many files (open the package in 7zip and you'll see what I mean). Normally, the packer has the files all listed inside the .tgz file, this one has the files inside many other files.
I have thus not installed the system on either phone because (correct me if I'm wrong), the kernel contains the basic directories for where everything is installed, and if I were to try and install this package on say, l1q1d's kernel, the phone would most likely crash because the files would not be found, including /system.
If ANYONE wants to dig deeper into this problem, feel free to message me. Personally, I think we've about finished getting all we can from the Kaiser, and much respect goes out to those who have done all the work in the past, but there's always that glimmer of hope that someone will find a way to pack this into a working rom installable through RUU or HardSPL.
I have one last thing to say:
Gruessle, please do your homework BEFORE posting things like this. There are people out there who still depend on this phone to operate as it is their only phone. I Personally cannot afford to go spend $100-200 on a replacement phone if this one goes down (thats why I have 2 of them). If you post something that does not work on the platform that you say it will, please correct it or move it to the proper forum.
BTW, I call shenannegans on one of the 5-star votes... just sayin'.
Your kernel have fake ;/ . rom works great ;D
sorry for bad english;p
PoXFreak said:
Ok, quick "bug report":
After working with the kernel pack multiple times I have come to the conclusion that there might be a bug in the actual kernel file itself, throwing a code back to HardSPL and RUU (how I install).
I first noticed a problem in that the kernel was originally set up for a Polaris and had no resolution set. The size of the file should be unimportant as Scoot's newer kernel is in the order of 3.2-3.3MB in size (with the RIL patch installed it gets even larger), this one is 3,099KB, and l1q1d's is almost always 3,092KB.
The second issue I noticed is with the Froyo package itself... It's split up into many files (open the package in 7zip and you'll see what I mean). Normally, the packer has the files all listed inside the .tgz file, this one has the files inside many other files.
I have thus not installed the system on either phone because (correct me if I'm wrong), the kernel contains the basic directories for where everything is installed, and if I were to try and install this package on say, l1q1d's kernel, the phone would most likely crash because the files would not be found, including /system.
If ANYONE wants to dig deeper into this problem, feel free to message me. Personally, I think we've about finished getting all we can from the Kaiser, and much respect goes out to those who have done all the work in the past, but there's always that glimmer of hope that someone will find a way to pack this into a working rom installable through RUU or HardSPL.
I have one last thing to say:
Gruessle, please do your homework BEFORE posting things like this. There are people out there who still depend on this phone to operate as it is their only phone. I Personally cannot afford to go spend $100-200 on a replacement phone if this one goes down (thats why I have 2 of them). If you post something that does not work on the platform that you say it will, please correct it or move it to the proper forum.
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1) The kernel doesn't care where you place the files. Right now I use a debian system with Ferora and Gentoo in a chroot. Both work fine with the Debian kernel.
In other words, if you have a kernel that works for you then use that it should work with the rest of the installation.
2) I don't get what you mean with files are "split up into many files", I am just guessing but you must be extracting it wrong. Maybe it's a windows thing, I haven't used windows in 15 years so I wouldn't be able to help you with that.
3) I have included everything you need to duplicate what I got, which works for me, and it appears to work for others too. Now i don't use that phone much, and there might be bugs I am unaware of, but don't tell me it doesn't work at all, just because you can't get it to work.
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Gruessle, thanks for your efforts! I want to try your rom but being a noob waiting for more comprehensive list of known errors before flashing it to my kaiser.
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barmalini, it appears that a few people have trouble installing the Kernel, but the ROM seams to work for everybody as far as I can tell.
According to my server records the files have been downloaded over 200 times and I have yet to hear a complain about the ROM.
So I would say try to install the Kernel, but if you can't still use the ROM with a Kernel that works for you.
If you have trouble installing from windows you can also try a live CD from debian or knoppix. I installed everything from a Debian system. (Knoppix is based on Debian)
If you don't know what a live CD is then go here for info:
http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD
PoXFreak said:
Installed HardSPL 3.34 and a WinMo 6.1 rom (custom) to see whats wrong. Installed L1q1d's kernel and goes right in like it should.
Checked .NBH with NBHCreator and only found 1 thing wrong: kernel set to Eclair instead of Froyo. Changed to Froyo and saved, attempted reflash and still won't go in...
;(Losted);
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PoXFreak,
you are not the only one having trouble, installing the ROM it appears.
I am wondering, are you also using Microsoft Windows to install the ROM?
If so can you try again with Linux, because it worked fine for me.
If you don't have Linux you can use a Live CD
Also if you can't get it to work, try the ROM with a Kernel that works for you.
Please report, I will check back.
Sorry in advance if there's a tutorial already out, but i can't seem to find it. I want to begin by modding themes. I have d/l and installed apk manager, sdk tools, java, eclipse and have, as far as i know, associated everything properly. My prog exp is little: some visual basic and turbo pascal in college, along with a flirting fascination with assembly. My thought was i would begin by modding code instead of learning java outright, but if i have to learn c or java that is just fine. where? Anyway, every time i run script.bat in apk manager, i receive an error. Put .apk in mod folder, run script.bat, start project (the .apk is (1)) 1, decompile...error! what am i doing wrong? If anything, just point me in the direction of a good tutorial.
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Sorry in advance if there's a tutorial already out, but i can't seem to find it. I want to begin by modding themes. I have d/l and installed apk manager, sdk tools, java, eclipse and have, as far as i know, associated everything properly. My prog exp is little: some visual basic and turbo pascal in college, along with a flirting fascination with assembly. My thought was i would begin by modding code instead of learning java outright, but if i have to learn c or java that is just fine. where? Anyway, every time i run script.bat in apk manager, i receive an error. Put .apk in mod folder, run script.bat, start project (the .apk is (1)) 1, decompile...error! what am i doing wrong? If anything, just point me in the direction of a good tutorial.
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I'm not sure if what you're looking for would be there, but have you checked the General Android Development forum? http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=613
I'm sure you would be able to get more detailed help there, since you are talking about non device specific development. Good luck!
lordcheeto03 said:
I'm not sure if what you're looking for would be there, but have you checked the General Android Development forum? http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=613
I'm sure you would be able to get more detailed help there, since you are talking about non device specific development. Good luck!
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Thank you! I've seen some, but not all. I have a nitro, so dev would be geared towards that. further along i was/would ask how you get the emulator to approximate the lg nitro, but for now i thought i'd stick with just requesting a solid tut.
mgofpickens said:
Thank you! I've seen some, but not all. I have a nitro, so dev would be geared towards that. further along i was/would ask how you get the emulator to approximate the lg nitro, but for now i thought i'd stick with just requesting a solid tut.
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Never messed with it, to be honest... I've got so many things I want to do but can't seem to find a good starting point for any of it. Pretty sure I've downloaded eclipse, JDK, and the android SDK in both windows and linux environments but that's about as far as I've gone... I may have installed them, not 100% sure. I get side-tracked too easily. :cyclops: