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[Q] Unrevoked 3.2 problem

Hello all,
I am having a bit of a problem here.
I managed to download Unrevoked 3.2 to root my HTC Desire GSM on the official 2.2 Froyo.
Ik installed the Hboot drivers correctly and when i start the tool everything goes well untill he reboots. After the reboot this message comes up:
"Failed to load recovery image".
Am i doing something wrong or what?
I have a .zip file with a recovery on my SD card.
Thanks in advance,
Quinten

justkuu said:
Hello all,
I am having a bit of a problem here.
I managed to download Unrevoked 3.2 to root my HTC Desire GSM on the official 2.2 Froyo.
Ik installed the Hboot drivers correctly and when i start the tool everything goes well untill he reboots. After the reboot this message comes up:
"Failed to load recovery image".
Am i doing something wrong or what?
I have a .zip file with a recovery on my SD card.
Thanks in advance,
Quinten
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I can bet you have HBOOT 0.92 or other than Unrevoked can't make

How can i see my Hboot version? Is 0.92 not supported? Will it be? Why are smurfs blue and why am i asking so many questions?

Power on your device with the volume down, the HBOOT version will be the third line down. If you have 0.92 than you need to downgrade.
There is a link under android development with a tutorial.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=768256

Ah offcourse. So i have 0.92. And so it isn't possible to root my device on the official Froyo update (yet)?

I was under the impression that UnrEVOked 3.2 could root later HBOOTs without a downgrade.
However, the point is moot at the moment, because 3.2 was pulled due to some bugs, so that may well be what is causing the OPs issue.
Regards,
Dave

3.2 Is indeed also for Froyo devices. But 0.92 bootloader is an exeption maybe?
3.2 Was pulled down because of some problems with 2 Evo users. It should be working on the Desire tho.

justkuu said:
3.2 Is indeed also for Froyo devices. But 0.92 bootloader is an exeption maybe?
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The 0.92 bootloader came with the Froyo OTA.
So, if UnrEVOked 3.2 is supposed to root Froyo based Desires, it stands to reason that it should be so with HBOOT 0.92, because if you've got Froyo with an earlier bootloader, you must've already rooted at some point.
Regards,
Dave

Why, if 3.2 was taken down for bugs and screwing up peoples phones, did you try and use it?? Seems like a silly idea to me...
And 2.10.405.2 is HBOOT 0.93

it does 092 just fine. i did mine. you are doing something wrong. remove htc sync
suite

EddyOS said:
Why, if 3.2 was taken down for bugs and screwing up peoples phones, did you try and use it?? Seems like a silly idea to me...
And 2.10.405.2 is HBOOT 0.93
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It went offline for 2 EVO users. There were no Desire problems.

But it was taken down as it COULD cause issues for any device. Just cause it was 2 EVOs doesn't mean it won't kill other phones as well...if it was OK for all phones they'd still have it on their site with a note that it might cause issue if you have an EVO

mariosraptor said:
it does 092 just fine. i did mine. you are doing something wrong. remove htc sync
suite
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Thanks for the confirmation 0.92 does indeed work. I removed HTC Sync execpt the driver. So. I did everything right. That's why i started this topic. I am clueless atm.

did you install hboot drivers w/o errors?
connect turned on and select mass storage mode. don't forget to have usb debugging checked.retry and post results.
justkuu said:
Thanks for the confirmation 0.92 does indeed work. I removed HTC Sync execpt the driver. So. I did everything right. That's why i started this topic. I am clueless atm.
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One thing I would say about UnreEVOked in general is that I found the Windows version by far the most difficult to get up and running, whereas the OS/X version just runs with no messing around with drivers etc. I'd imagine the same is true of the Linux version.
Regards,
Dave

I've used unrEVOked once using Windows 7 x64 and it worked first time - was VERY easy...I'm back to stock now but does anyone know if HBOOT 0.93 will be supported when it's back out?

mariosraptor said:
did you install hboot drivers w/o errors?
connect turned on and select mass storage mode. don't forget to have usb debugging checked.retry and post results.
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Yes i did install the drivers correctly and connected my device in mass storage mode with debugging turned on. Running on Win 7 64BIT but that should not be the problem. I am willing to try it on MAC OSX if somebody wants to give me the OSX files in a PM.

yes it is said that it will support any hboot. i did mine yesterday because i wanted amonra's recovery. i had no problems whatsoever.
EddyOS said:
I've used unrEVOked once using Windows 7 x64 and it worked first time - was VERY easy...I'm back to stock now but does anyone know if HBOOT 0.93 will be supported when it's back out?
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That's good to know - just waiting on them to release it again!

if you want i can upload it for you.
EddyOS said:
That's good to know - just waiting on them to release it again!
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Can't Root using unrEVOked

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=776696&page=29 following this thread i installed the HBoot drivers and then i started unrEVOked 3.14.
It booted into console, then i rebooted again but after then the software on my PC gave me error message "unable to push recovery image to flash" .. ..
- I do change the USB mode
- I have HBoot drivers installed
- I have HTC Sync installed
- I am on Windows 7
- I am using HTC Desire Froyo

Remove HTC Sync.
You need it's drivers, but if you leave it installed it might get in the way.
Uninstalling will not remove the required drivers.
I think...

Thread reported.
Don't post your questions in the development
section!
In answer to your question, follow this guide: http://rootmydroid.co.uk/category/guides/general/
Thank You,
NoobNazi

I followed the guide already and i posted the question after following the guide. it stucks and give me the error that i posted abov.e

i get the same error, so this is a valid topic.
there is Nothing that gives us any information about what else to try, bar sitting and waiting for the rEVOked client to be updated.

The latest version of unrEVOked is up. I tried to root my Desire through it. It rebooted my device couple of times (with previous versions I used to get error at 1st boot).
Now, I am getting this error Backup CID is missing.
Can someone guide?

latest revoked worked fine for me
3.21 sorted all the issues i was having.

Yep, the old unrEVOked (3.14) doesn't support FroYo...get 3.21 and you'll be fine

42turkeys said:
Thread reported.
Don't post your questions in the development
section!
In answer to your question, follow this guide: http://rootmydroid.co.uk/category/guides/general/
Thank You,
NoobNazi
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Use that guide. If it doesn't work ( as for me ) use Linux with a Ubuntu live CD. Worked first time for.me.
Windows is crap. Too many things to go wrong that wont be obvious making you sound like a idiot.

Direct link. http://rootmydroid.co.uk/guides/gen...esire-wildfire-evo-incredible-with-unrevoked/

Worked first time in W7 x64 Ultimate when I did it with the RC

I have the same windows and latest unrEVOked but it didn't work. It gave me error Backup CID missing

Hmmm,
I have just tried to root my Desire using unrevoked 3 and it seems to go throught the motions but ends on an "internal error couldn't find misc" error message......
I am running a stock O2 Froyo Desire with HBoot .93.......Any ideas?

Try connecting your android in USB storage mode and debugging mode.
My first try gave me the same "internal error: couldn't find misc".
But with the above settings I was able to root my HTC Desire. Thanks unrevoked!

Hi,
A noobie questions.
I have Froyo 2.2 with HBoot .92 and i want to use unrEVOked tool, but before that my sd card has to be empty, or have to format it?
And after i use unrEVOked, i have to flash any custom rom?
Thanx

@ iamtotal, I already have it with those settings... Are you running Froyo?
@ pekas, no you do not have to use a blank sdcard.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

iamtotal said:
Try connecting your android in USB storage mode and debugging mode.
My first try gave me the same "internal error: couldn't find misc".
But with the above settings I was able to root my HTC Desire. Thanks unrevoked!
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I tried to do it in USB mode and then Charging mode. In both cases i got the error Validation error: Backup CID missing ...

Please help....i have tried many times on unbranded desire 2.2 ota, 2.10.405.2,hboot 0.93....and STILL get could'nt find misc...tried both on mac and pc....really need help

Alsajosora said:
Hmmm,
I have just tried to root my Desire using unrevoked 3 and it seems to go throught the motions but ends on an "internal error couldn't find misc" error message......
I am running a stock O2 Froyo Desire with HBoot .93.......Any ideas?
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Ok, so I have a Win7 x64 box, and have all the corect drivers loaded for my phone.
If I run unrEVOked I get the above error message......So my next step was to run in Virtual XP mode to see if maybe it was a X64 issue....Still the same error.....
Last night I reset my phone to factory defaults and re-ran unrEVOked.....No joy....So after trawling through more forum posts I came across how to run unrEVOked from an Ubuntu live cd.....So I downloaded and burnt off the live cd, ran the script as specified (really neat and easy to use BTW) to get the latest version of unrEVOked and run it.......Guess what......Still the SAME error message......Methinks maybe something screwy with the O2 version of Froyo?
Anyone else had the same issue? Are running an O2 rom?

I am stuck with the same error since the beginning. No success, with all the possible tries. I am not sure what version my FroYo is .. O2 or something but its EU region specific.
Bottom line is .. I can't root my Desire .. :|

[Q] Desire 2.2

I bought an unbranded/unlocked Desire a few days ago, and it had Froyo preinstalled.
It REFUSES to connect to HTC Sync, and it seems impossible to root using unrevoked too (i've tried Vista, Win7 and Ubuntu). All without success. I have tried EVERY method/guide/tutorial out there.
So my question is this. HOW DO I ROOT?!
I'm thinking of using this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=768256
And then using unrevoked on the stock 2.1, but in that thread it says
Update:
The new version of unrevoked3 (3.21) can now root froyo ROMs directly, and a downgrade is no longer necessary if you just want to root and install custom recovery, although there appear to be a few issues with this new release. If you want to rebrand/debrand your phone, rooting won't achieve this and you can use this method instead. If you cannot get the new version of unrevoked3 to work you can also run this and use the older version (3.14) that works with Android 2.1.
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So i have no garauntee that unrevoked will work on 2.1 either, and i'm not downgrading for no reason.
Does anyone have any ideas, cause i'm running out of ideas here.

DannyDrama said:
I bought an unbranded/unlocked Desire a few days ago, and it had Froyo preinstalled.
It REFUSES to connect to HTC Sync, and it seems impossible to root using unrevoked too (i've tried Vista, Win7 and Ubuntu). All without success. I have tried EVERY method/guide/tutorial out there.
So my question is this. HOW DO I ROOT?!
I'm thinking of using this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=768256
And then using unrevoked on the stock 2.1, but in that thread it says
So i have no garauntee that unrevoked will work on 2.1 either, and i'm not downgrading for no reason.
Does anyone have any ideas, cause i'm running out of ideas here.
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Does it have a new H-boot that unrevoked cant do yet? What is the H-boot on the phone?
Does unrevoked come up with any errors? Have you instaleed the correct drivers, adb for it?

What is your hboot #?
Power off, press down volume and power on should tell you at the top.
Then check the sticky topics, at the top of dev section, as they have solved newest hboot problems.
Ps this is best for the q&a section, good luck, and sure we'll all try and help.
Desire is the source of all suffering.

HBOOT number is 0.93, take it this is too new?
The non-connection to HTC Sync worries me, if it wont connect to the manufacturers software, what is there to make me think it will work with anything else?

Don't quote me on this but unrevocked should work on 0.93,
Best is to get suck into this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=709146&highlight=unrevocked
And see how you do.
Goes through the whole deal with drivers etc.
Do you have ADB yet? because you can use adb devices to check to see if your desire is connecting to your computer, but as cjm1979 said you need to get latest drivers from the adb, but seem to remember you have to uninstall htcsync anyway to use unrevocked. But it should all be there in that guide.
But getting adb and drivers is important.

> Uninstall HTC sync 3.x version from your windows box and install 2.x version and then try it ( Important: Disable any firewall/antivirus tools when doing it)
The latest version of unrevoked should work.

Just found this in the unrevocked topic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=725738&highlight=solved&page=36
My HBOOT version is 0.93.0001
Follow the instruction to unrevoked,f after installed the HBOOT driver and enable USB debug, run unrevoked as administrator and connection "charging only",
the unrevoked still not start as follow, any idea?
Solved: I never install HTC sync.
Read all post found similar situation and I install and uninstall HTC sync. Problem resolved.
Never used htcsync for myself anyway.

Ok guys, i found the problem.
This is embarassing, But i forgot to uninstall DroidExplorer which unknown to me, was cocking it all up silently. Uninstalled that, ran unrevoked and it looks to be working, i'm currently on the ClockworkMod recovery screen. Yeah, all working now, and i should be rooted now.
Am i correct in saying that since the phone was unlocked/unbranded, i can now just whack an update.zip on my SD and flash it? Or is there anything else to be done before that (I know enough to do a Nandroid backup before that step)?
Thank you all for helping an idiot solve his non-problem!

I've uninstalled Sync, moved the drivers to system32, ran unrevoked as admin, ran it in compatibility mode, nothing. All required drivers/softwares/fairy dust is present. I really have tried nearly everything listed on tutorials. I've damn near broken googles servers just searching for a fix!

You don't copy any drivers, HTC sync installs in 2 parts - the program and the drivers.
Once installed, go into Add/Remove Programs and uninstall the program but leave the drivers. This works fine
Then make sure unrEVOked is running BEFORE you connect your phone, and make sure USB Debugging is enabled on the phone

One of the tuts i read said movng the drivers to system32 might help, but did it hell. I'm all rooted now, just installed TitaniumBackup, is it meant to ask for permissions 2000 times every time i do something? It just asked me about 20 times O.O

DannyDrama said:
One of the tuts i read said movng the drivers to system32 might help, but did it hell. I'm all rooted now, just installed TitaniumBackup, is it meant to ask for permissions 2000 times every time i do something? It just asked me about 20 times O.O
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Once, when you've ticked the box,
Unless your talking about superuser notifications which you can turn of in the superuser app
Desire is the source of all suffering.

You mean the 'remember' box? Yeah, done that too but it keeps popping up asking for permissions anyway.

DannyDrama said:
You mean the 'remember' box? Yeah, done that too but it keeps popping up asking for permissions anyway.
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Yes meant the remember box, is the box always the SU box or is it a grey notification box saying SU access has been granted.

Its always the SU box, asking me to give permission, but the remember box is always ticked.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Latest unrevoked and white evo

Myself and my wife both had black evos from launch day. I recently got the nexus 4g and she came back to the evo after trying the arrive. But this time she got a white evo with 3.70.651.1 with either hboot 2.02 or 2.10 I can't remember. But I could have sworn latest unrevoked worked with this. But at the end it says root failed is your firmware to new? what am I doing wrong now that I wasn't before? I know my replacement evo had 3.70.651.1 and hboot 2.02 and it rooted...
Any help would be great thanks guys

Go into the bootloader, select clear storage [factory reset]. Boot into the phone, enable usb debugging, make sure htc was installed at one point, removed when using unrevoked, install the hboot drivers, then run unrevoked.

I've done all that. If im not mistaking once you install hboot drivers once which I did in past then it should still work on any evo I root. USB debugging is on, it just says firmware to new root failed at the end. Is hboot 2.10 rootable with unrevoked?

iceman99393 said:
I've done all that. If im not mistaking once you install hboot drivers once which I did in past then it should still work on any evo I root. USB debugging is on, it just says firmware to new root failed at the end. Is hboot 2.10 rootable with unrevoked?
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She is going to have to get an older PC36IMG and let it downgrade in hboot. I have one that works but I am not on my computer that has it right now. I know there is a website you can find them one (the name slips my mind but I think it is like shipped roms or something?) Just get one of the older versions, update, and see if unrevoked works. (Just don't let the phone update before you run unrevoked.)

iceman99393 said:
Myself and my wife both had black evos from launch day. I recently got the nexus 4g and she came back to the evo after trying the arrive. But this time she got a white evo with 3.70.651.1 with either hboot 2.02 or 2.10 I can't remember. But I could have sworn latest unrevoked worked with this. But at the end it says root failed is your firmware to new? what am I doing wrong now that I wasn't before? I know my replacement evo had 3.70.651.1 and hboot 2.02 and it rooted...
Any help would be great thanks guys
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Just rooted two Evo's in the past week with no problems and they had all the updated firmware and software. Make sure you are using the latest Unrevoked software and try it on a Mac or Win7 machine. I get less errors on either one of them. Win7 make sure you load the drivers like previously mentioned

playya said:
Just rooted two Evo's in the past week with no problems and they had all the updated firmware and software. Make sure you are using the latest Unrevoked software and try it on a Mac or Win7 machine. I get less errors on either one of them. Win7 make sure you load the drivers like previously mentioned
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What hboot?
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App

Just run unrevoked again , it will work it just sometimes takes 2 or 3 times. Trust me I've used it over 100 times and I get firmware to new about a quarter of the time.

Arnezie said:
Just run unrevoked again , it will work it just sometimes takes 2 or 3 times. Trust me I've used it over 100 times and I get firmware to new about a quarter of the time.
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I tried3 times but ima reinstall drivers and reflash package and try again. Maybe drivers have been updated when they updated unrevoked? Well see. Thanks
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App

Reinstall the hboot drivers and make sure htc sync is uninstalled as it will interfere with adb commands. 2.10 is rootable, all evos at this time are rootable.

also dont forget apps like wheres my droid, lookout, antivirus mess with root process, also your computers antivirus will need to be turned off, because the root exploit is recognized as virus.
when you run the unrevoked file if on pc right click and run as administrator

iceman99393 said:
What hboot?
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App
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newest Hboot 2.10 I believe is the number

[Q] CANNOT s-off/root wildfire :(:(

i seem to be going around and around in circles and am about to completely lose my marbles! I am not completely new to this having successfully rooted a vega, htc desire and my one x, several times before.
i am trying to s-off, root and flash new ROM on my mum's old phone so my 5yo can use it for munzeeing.
wildfire/buzz on 2.2.1 with HBOOT1.01.0001
baseband version 13.55.55.24H_3.35.20.10
kernel version 2.6.32.21-g0f9e9b5 [email protected] #1 Tue Nov 30 13:53:39 CST 2010
build number 2.22.405.1 CL295397 release-keys
software number 2.22.405.1
i have uninstalled and reinstalled the drivers over and over again, and now finally seem to be able to get a good adb connection.
however, neither revolutionary tool nor unrevoked3 will work. both find the phone but fail to "do their thing":
revolutionary (downloaded today from revolutionary.io) fails after:
Zerging Root... this might take a minute or so.. _rawadb_handle_msg: unknown command 69766564 Communications with phone unexpectedly interrupted. OR unexpected CLSE. Try again.
unrevoked3 (again fresh download from their website) fails after:
installing package file: 2900000(or so)bytes
installing unrevoked3 service
internal error: installing package failed
i am completely stuck here and can find no way around it.
There is alot about downgrading the boot from 1.01.0002, but i don't have this (and couldnt get that to work either?
what am I missing - i know its something easy/basic.
thanks for any suggestions/help.
dr_nick

dr_nick said:
i seem to be going around and around in circles and am about to completely lose my marbles! I am not completely new to this having successfully rooted a vega, htc desire and my one x, several times before.
i am trying to s-off, root and flash new ROM on my mum's old phone so my 5yo can use it for munzeeing.
wildfire/buzz on 2.2.1 with HBOOT1.01.0001
baseband version 13.55.55.24H_3.35.20.10
kernel version 2.6.32.21-g0f9e9b5 [email protected] #1 Tue Nov 30 13:53:39 CST 2010
build number 2.22.405.1 CL295397 release-keys
software number 2.22.405.1
i have uninstalled and reinstalled the drivers over and over again, and now finally seem to be able to get a good adb connection.
however, neither revolutionary tool nor unrevoked3 will work. both find the phone but fail to "do their thing":
revolutionary (downloaded today from revolutionary.io) fails after:
Zerging Root... this might take a minute or so.. _rawadb_handle_msg: unknown command 69766564 Communications with phone unexpectedly interrupted. OR unexpected CLSE. Try again.
unrevoked3 (again fresh download from their website) fails after:
installing package file: 2900000(or so)bytes
installing unrevoked3 service
internal error: installing package failed
i am completely stuck here and can find no way around it.
There is alot about downgrading the boot from 1.01.0002, but i don't have this (and couldnt get that to work either?
what am I missing - i know its something easy/basic.
thanks for any suggestions/help.
dr_nick
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You will need to unlock your bootloader on http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/ then use revolutionary or otherwise your phone is root proof!

KoolKid98189 said:
You will need to unlock your bootloader on http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/ then use revolutionary or otherwise your phone is root proof!
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thanks for your reply!
that's the key is it? noone has mentioned that in the forums (though they are pretty old)
struggled with that even, as don't know what the base RUU is to select on 1st page...
dr_nick

dr_nick said:
thanks for your reply!
that's the key is it? noone has mentioned that in the forums (though they are pretty old)
struggled with that even, as don't know what the base RUU is to select on 1st page...
dr_nick
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Before you attempt to unlock your hboot via htcdev (lots worse that s-off) can you tell me what android programs you have installed on your pc, like htcsync of sony flashtool, android commander. anything like that? its probably a program thats interfeering with your system and not its drivers. Do not update, as to get s-off again you will have to just downgrade back to where you are now :good:

heavy_metal_man said:
Before you attempt to unlock your hboot via htcdev (lots worse that s-off) can you tell me what android programs you have installed on your pc, like htcsync of sony flashtool, android commander. anything like that? its probably a program thats interfeering with your system and not its drivers. Do not update, as to get s-off again you will have to just downgrade back to where you are now :good:
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thanks heavy_metal_man
i don't think i have anything currently running on the system.
now have android sdk stuff and the universal android drivers.
have uninstalled htc sync manager and htc sync (older version) and removed everything else remotely anrdroid/htc-like from uninstall programs screen.
the great thing is i can now consistently connect to my device in both adb and fastboot modes, so i am definitely making progress. i think the key was that the PC's usb socket i was using is a little intermittent - i have now swapped to a different one (also USB2 instead of 3) and i'm getting a much more consistent connection!
however - i have been trying to unlock the bootloader using htcdev site - but having trouble with the RUU - it now connecte fine and reboots my device into recovery but then crashes. every time.
are you telling me i don't need to RUU on the htcdev site? can i s-off/root without??
thanks again
dr_nick

dr_nick said:
thanks heavy_metal_man
i don't think i have anything currently running on the system.
now have android sdk stuff and the universal android drivers.
have uninstalled htc sync manager and htc sync (older version) and removed everything else remotely anrdroid/htc-like from uninstall programs screen.
the great thing is i can now consistently connect to my device in both adb and fastboot modes, so i am definitely making progress. i think the key was that the PC's usb socket i was using is a little intermittent - i have now swapped to a different one (also USB2 instead of 3) and i'm getting a much more consistent connection!
however - i have been trying to unlock the bootloader using htcdev site - but having trouble with the RUU - it now connecte fine and reboots my device into recovery but then crashes. every time.
are you telling me i don't need to RUU on the htcdev site? can i s-off/root without??
thanks again
dr_nick
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I would recommend attempting revolutionary from revolutionary.io again, assuming that your hboot is still 1.01.0001! keeping in mind that all htc sync type programs are a no-no ( but you have taken care of that ) usb3 ports a no-no for almost all android development and tools (including this one ) and lastly dont install the revolutionary version of clockworkmod recovery as it has a "charging bug" follow this guide and you shall be fine I recommend that you add clockworkmod recovery version 5.0.2.0 from post 2 section 6. using the pc49img.zip method is usually the easiest. tap this thread to let me know how you got on

yay it worked without problem!
thanks for all your help.
pretty sure it was just the USB3 that was the problem - why have i not read anywhere that this is a no no??
thanks all
drnickf

Pretty sure usb3 was not widely used at the time, ergo not a known issue
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