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Hi everyone,
this issue has been discussed for a very long time and to date there is no solution.
The Problem:
Many people are frustrated with HTC-devices (Qualcomm CPUs etc) and would like to switch to other devices (non-HTC devices).
Their fear is to loose the incredible support provided at Xda-Developers. To loose all the custom ROMs, themes, hacks and so on. In my opinion, this site really adds value to HTC devices.
Previous solution suggested: Add sub-forums for non-HTC devices. BUT we all know the problems (stated probably a hundred times by admins and mods).
New solution:
My suggestion is simple. Found a new forum with a similar name or take an existing one, maybe customize the design a bit so it somehow resembles this site).
Then add a small bar at the very top of each page with a list of links in a horizontal row:
Xda-Developers --- WinMo-Developers --- [whatever]
The "Pro"s:
-Everyone asking for additional subforums for non-HTC devices could be forwarded to the new forum. Not to any forum but that specific one. So all people with non-HTC devices would gather in one place.
-Xda-Devs users would notice the bar and (probably) register in this forum as well to have another place to promote their things (for example a lot of stuff in the Dev-and-Hacking section could be used for other devices as well).
The "Con"s:
-Main problem as always...servers, money, committed people (for admin/mod-jobs)
-Some may be annoyed by the bar (although it could be kept very small; 15px or so would do)
-And of course it is up to Xda-Devs users to help in the new sister forum.
But since I know this community and all the amazing, friendly and committed people that belong to it I think many will join the new forum and help with Hard SPL, cooking etc.
I really hope the Admins consider this solution. It is not that hard to realize and nevertheless it would help.
well istarted a site a while ago
winmodevs.com
Yes, I know your site..the question is if the admins are willing to turn my idea into reality. And it also depends on you of course.
i have spoken the admin here and all im willing to say is ive not been told that there wil never be some sort of recognition between boards at a professional level just not yet
i have a link to xda on my homepage already
I´ll wait for the reply of an admin, let´s see.
of course all i was telling you is what they told me
iasked if they wanted to be officail partners and the answer was not yet
I see another big con. It is all about WinMo, so there is vast number of apps which is working on almost all WinMo devices no matter if it is or isn't HTC. How are you going to deal with it? Make double topics on both XDA main and sister sites?
every replication means more coverage and also ex
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I understand that this is a developer site and that the portal page is meant to display news for developers or about accomplishments made by developers (developer related news) but why so few updates on upcoming devices? Seems to me that XDA could easily be covering most of the stuff that engadget reports. Just that this is the only thing stopping XDA from being a one stop shop for anything Android related for me. Thoughts?
Lets remember we are not an Android only forum.
News Writers team is focused to bring the best of development inside XDA, but we include some information regarding new devices as well.
In General section you´ll find the hottest info on the latest out there.
Thanks for your suggestion tough, if you read a nice story while surfing XDA please PM us.
This is and always will be a site for developers, pure and simple. Without them we are nothing, without them there would be no reason for XDA Developers to exist; we should never ever forget that. Without them this place would not be called XDA-Developers but something else, e.g Mobile Phone User Support Services For Ungrateful Nerds.
XDA is about developing and is for developers. Any user that recognises that will gain the most benefit from this site.
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I understand that. While I would be looking for Android device news I'd also expect there to be Windows mobile and iPhone news as well. It just seems that these news pieces are sometimes as vital to developers as any other news that is published and as you said most of it can already be found somewhere on the forums so it just seems intuitive to publish more of it on the Portal to allow easier access to the information. I certainly see your point, I was just curious.
Developers want to see code. I close the portal tab if i see noobish stuff like "omg omg the new htc xyz is out. Many other devs do the same.
Had it been a dump of firmware for it, that's interesting
But the announcement of yet another sub standard handset is barely newsworthy... I mean, the new WP7 phones are not even dual core
Please answer me this question. I have been looking at the request device thread and it appears that only popular devices are only being added and no one cares of the request device thread. These are the most common i see on the thread:
ASUS Padfone 2
LG Escape
LG Optimus L9
Acer S500
Other Acer Iconia series
Motorola RAZR series
Now for my request is the pantech burst because we have a forum that is just getting way too cluttered http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1487576 I have submitted a request for this device three times now. For development: we have a rooted Gingerbread, a rooted Ice Cream Sandwich, three custom roms, have Clockworkmod recovery, AND working on getting CM10, AOKP, and AOSP working. We are very close to getting CM10 to work as a daily driver. Infact here is the link to how the progress is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1818618
I extremely find this outrageous that the popular devices get one and very "unpopular" devices dont. I never see people carrying a Samsung Galaxy Player (proud owner of one) yet it has it's own forum.
One thing you need to understand is that this is a development site. As that's the case, of course newer and more popular devices will have a forum added for them because they have a lot more interest so therefore devs are more likely to develop for the device.
If a device has next to none development, there'll be less activity from the developers and that generally means less people will be interested in the device.
What would you suggest? XDA add a forum for each request that comes through?
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No not that. I just find it outrageous that no matter how many times you post in the new device request forum, they will not listen. Many people in that thread requested for the asus padfone 2 and im pretty sure there is plenty of dev support for the device. If there is some dev support like the burst i think it deserves its own device thread. I mean really, we are so very close on cm10 and yet no forum. The only thing not working is the data and wifi.
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I already explained why the forums that keep being requested haven't been created. See the first paragraph of my first post.
Explain how you would decide which devices had a forum created for them then. Obviously you feel that the current system isn't working, so what do you feel would work?
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KidCarter93 said:
I already explained why the forums that keep being requested haven't been created. See the first paragraph of my first post.
Explain how you would decide which devices had a forum created for them then. Obviously you feel that the current system isn't working, so what do you feel would work?
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Obviously the current system doesn't work for the end users nor the developers of lesser known devices. I own one of the most requested devices ever at one point and we don't have a forum yet. (Samsung Galaxy Relay T699) I would suggest taking any device that has a recognized developer working for it that is willing to moderate and implementing a system based on that. I would also suggest greater grouping of similar devices using sub-forums. It's too bad that this site's code doesn't allow for the use of tagging by subject or group, as that would help. Its not a simple solution as new devices drop every week it seems, but I maintain that a device so similar to the GS3 should have a forum lol.
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onebornoflight said:
Obviously the current system doesn't work for the end users nor the developers of lesser known devices. I own one of the most requested devices ever at one point and we don't have a forum yet. (Samsung Galaxy Relay T699) I would suggest taking any device that has a recognized developer working for it that is willing to moderate and implementing a system based on that. I would also suggest greater grouping of similar devices using sub-forums. It's too bad that this site's code doesn't allow for the use of tagging by subject or group, as that would help. Its not a simple solution as new devices drop every week it seems, but I maintain that a device so similar to the GS3 should have a forum lol.
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If XDA was to add a forum for every device which has got a bit of development going on, then a load more moderators would be needed, OR the workload of the current moderators would be at the point where they couldn't truly moderate.
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Thus the part about letting the developers take responsibility for moderating their own device(s). Apart from hosting and storage limitations I wouldn't have a problem with each device having a forum, but honestly at this point there are probably 20 devices back in legacy that could be moved and merged and open that space up. The way I see it - admins are rapidly becoming elitist.
What would the problem be with more moderators anyway? I constantly see people in Miscellaneous Android offering to moderate the (nonexistent)forum for their device if that's the issue.
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I truly think the system is fine but the moderators seem to not take the time to view the devices thats being requested and see if the device deserves a forum. E.x. samsung galaxy s3 mini, you never see people carrying that device but it automatically gets a forum. The pantech burst is att's first LTE phone and it is still being sold for $1 USD and for $120-150 on ebay, maybe even more. All what i ask for the moderators is to look through that forum. If they cannot add that certain device, state a reason why
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I realize for the devices that arn't as popular theres no way xda can create a full forum for each one and moderate it without an insane load on the existing mods. I just wish for the less popular that there might be maybe a manufacturer specific forum that way it can hold multiple devices, only a handful of new forums would be created if that, etc.. like Asus / Pantech / Acer / Motorola
onebornoflight said:
Thus the part about letting the developers take responsibility for moderating their own device(s). Apart from hosting and storage limitations I wouldn't have a problem with each device having a forum, but honestly at this point there are probably 20 devices back in legacy that could be moved and merged and open that space up. The way I see it - admins are rapidly becoming elitist.
What would the problem be with more moderators anyway? I constantly see people in Miscellaneous Android offering to moderate the (nonexistent)forum for their device if that's the issue.
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You really think the moderator committee would let someone be a moderator just because they've asked for it?
The MC have to be sure that the person is ready to be a mod and that process takes too much time for something that isn't needed.
nightfire37 said:
I truly think the system is fine but the moderators seem to not take the time to view the devices thats being requested and see if the device deserves a forum. E.x. samsung galaxy s3 mini, you never see people carrying that device but it automatically gets a forum. The pantech burst is att's first LTE phone and it is still being sold for $1 USD and for $120-150 on ebay, maybe even more. All what i ask for the moderators is to look through that forum. If they cannot add that certain device, state a reason why
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Using the basis "you never see people carrying that device", all I'd expect to see on XDA is a load of blackberry's and iPhones mainly.
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I realize for the devices that arn't as popular theres no way xda can create a full forum for each one and moderate it without an insane load on the existing mods. I just wish for the less popular that there might be maybe a manufacturer specific forum that way it can hold multiple devices, only a handful of new forums would be created if that, etc.. like Asus / Pantech / Acer / Motorola
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Then the people of XDA would be complaining even more about bricked devices because noobs don't read and would therefore make more mistakes.
There seems to be a chicken and egg problem here. Phone has little organized development, it doesn't get a forum. Phone has no forum, development goes slower and less organized.
And then sometimes it feels a bit arbitrary. The Relay 4G has had more development done on it so far than the Sidekick 4G had in its entire lifetime, yet the Sidekick has a forum and the Relay doesn't.
Hi,
It would be a waste of time to add a forum for a device with a user base of ~10 people that aren't going to be going any development. It would add unnecessary clutter to the xda forum page, especially if its going too be added to legacy devices within a few weeks anyway
How about making a wiki for it? At least you can organize things that way.
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How about making a wiki for it? At least you can organize things that way.
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There already is an XDA wiki but it's vastly under-utilized.
nightfire37 said:
No not that. I just find it outrageous that no matter how many times you post in the new device request forum, they will not listen. Many people in that thread requested for the asus padfone 2 and im pretty sure there is plenty of dev support for the device. If there is some dev support like the burst i think it deserves its own device thread. I mean really, we are so very close on cm10 and yet no forum. The only thing not working is the data and wifi.
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You are frustrated and it is understandable. You need to read ans absorb what KidCarter93 is trying to explain.
The bottom line is, Yes the Mods see the requests but two things need to be considered.
1) this is a FREE development site people do not work/develop for $$$
2) unless you and a "bunch" of others want development, you need seek out a developer and try and work something out. Maybe a loaner device or simply offer a device for development. YOU CAN NOT PAY somebody to develop on XDA for development. A search on Google will help you find places that will do this.
Every device has started out as yours has. When the SGS3 started (one of the highest developed devices to date). It was a combined thread, every version was under one thread (there are many versions of this phone) so people were bricking there phones because everybody was attempting to use development for the European version which is different from the North American version. It took a month for the devices to form there own threads.
Sadly there are many devices that never receive development. I have owned a ASUS TF300 tablet and while it took development time to start, it now exists,. however in a short period it has slowed due to ASUS creating ewer /better devices. Development has now moved to the new iteration of the device.
Mods/XDA cannot force nor allocate Developers to work on specific devices. Everything done here is voluntary.
Your other choice is to learn development and create your own work:good:
I hope this helps understand XDA and the community a little better.
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There already is an XDA wiki but it's vastly under-utilized.
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LOL, I meant for the Pantech Burst ( which there is none ), not a XDA wiki section entirely. I guess I could have been a bit more clear.
We all have to realize, and believe me that I know the frustrations from searching from post to post, thread to thread, which is why I decided to get the Fuhu Nabi ( tablet ) section going in the XDA wiki for members to edit and contribute to as it's becoming very popular as well. If one reads the very first post here, we are not gauranteed a section. Just have to make the most of it and collect all the info where one can for members to have a start from. I am just glad we have a place like this where we can come to for help and not get litterally flamed for asking or the very least ridiculed for trying to help.
Been here since before 06 when it all started with the Windows Mobile Phones and those were fun times but never signed up until 06.
DarkAngel said:
LOL, I meant for the Pantech Burst ( which there is none ), not a XDA wiki section entirely. I guess I could have been a bit more clear.
We all have to realize, and believe me that I know the frustrations from searching from post to post, thread to thread, which is why I decided to get the Fuhu Nabi ( tablet ) section going in the XDA wiki for members to edit and contribute to as it's becoming very popular as well. If one reads the very first post, we are not gauranteed a section. Just have to make the most of it and collect all the info where one can for members to have a start from. I am just glad we have a place like this where we can come to for help and not get litterally flamed for asking or the very least ridiculed for trying to help.
Been here since before 06 when it all started with the Windows Mobile Phones and those were fun times but never signed up until 06.
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Collecting it in the wiki is a good way to get started. We take many different factors into consideration when adding new devices. One of these is how many existing developers have it already. Unfortunately we cannot add forums for every device,but you are more than welcome to use the wiki.
pulser_g2 said:
Collecting it in the wiki is a good way to get started. We take many different factors into consideration when adding new devices. One of these is how many existing developers have it already. Unfortunately we cannot add forums for every device,but you are more than welcome to use the wiki.
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Well I just made a wiki for the device. It is a very good phone. It outperforms the Galaxy Nexus using Antutu.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Pantech_Burst
KidCarter93 said:
You really think the moderator committee would let someone be a moderator just because they've asked for it?
The MC have to be sure that the person is ready to be a mod and that process takes too much time for something that isn't needed.
Using the basis "you never see people carrying that device", all I'd expect to see on XDA is a load of blackberry's and iPhones mainly.
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Then the people of XDA would be complaining even more about bricked devices because noobs don't read and would therefore make more mistakes.
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What he said ^^
XDA simply cant have a forum for each device, and in the case of devices that do not have the backing im sure there are plenty of other forums out there where these devs would meet.
You can also of cause use the Miscellaneous Android Development section if a developer wanted to release stuff for a device that was not listed.
It has been and always will be a developer site and thus the devices with lots of developers will get a section, the request thread is looked at and often devices from it do get sections, but alot of work has to go into deciding which do and dont get sections, and some will always miss out.
onebornoflight said:
Thus the part about letting the developers take responsibility for moderating their own device(s). Apart from hosting and storage limitations I wouldn't have a problem with each device having a forum, but honestly at this point there are probably 20 devices back in legacy that could be moved and merged and open that space up. The way I see it - admins are rapidly becoming elitist.
What would the problem be with more moderators anyway? I constantly see people in Miscellaneous Android offering to moderate the (nonexistent)forum for their device if that's the issue.
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We have high expectations of conduct of moderators. You can't just become one by asking. And that will NEVER change. We owe it to our users to ensure staff are up to the standard they expect and deserve.
We're not becoming "elitist", but we do expect to see development potential from developers on a device. There's a "rough formula" you can use to tell if a device will appear on XDA lately - it's not formal or anything, it's just common sense.
A dedicated Sony Xperia Z forum before Asus PadFone 2? I'm disappointed for the first time in XDA. There have been a LOT of requests for a separate forum for our lovely device that is already out in many parts of the world. And now you make a forum for a device that isn't even out yet!
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A dedicated Sony Xperia Z forum before Asus PadFone 2? I'm disappointed for the first time in XDA. There have been a LOT of requests for a separate forum for our lovely device that is already out in many parts of the world. And now you make a forum for a device that isn't even out yet!
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The PadFone is very expensive for what it is, and has failed to capture the interests of developers. The Xperia Z already has developer interest. We add devices based on development potential, and as of yet we've not seen anyone who is in a position to develop that is interested.
You seem to forget that this site is for developers, does not matter how many 'normal' users have a device its all down to the amount of developers that are interested in developing for a device
Pleaseeeeee create subforum
I got the phone from ebay US nd loving it without rooting nd custom rom
But trust me Asus rocks but why the moderators are being unfair for this super hero
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You guys can read reasons why its not created yet, here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2105207
Go through that thread.. you will understand..
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Guessing none of the mods are getting one and then there is no need to make a forum. From the request thread this have been much more sought for that the Sony. Ohh well.
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Guessing none of the mods are getting one and then there is no need to make a forum. From the request thread this have been much more sought for that the Sony. Ohh well.
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The PadFone series has had a recurring issue of not attracting developer attention, due to being more expensive than other similar products.
There has been no real developer interest that I'm aware of. That's why there's no forum.
and these?
http://www.modaco.com/forum/689-asus-padfone-2/
Please
Do not think it's that difficult to create a forum for padfone own 2, no industrial and other amounts, but there is interest!
And with your help, and creating a forum of their own, surely that would give him a push ...
And just to be specific, tablet + phone 700E. is cheaper to buy a phone and a tablet separately ...
thanks
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DjBastard said:
and these?
http://www.modaco.com/forum/689-asus-padfone-2/
Please
Do not think it's that difficult to create a forum for padfone own 2, no industrial and other amounts, but there is interest!
And with your help, and creating a forum of their own, surely that would give him a push ...
And just to be specific, tablet + phone 700E. is cheaper to buy a phone and a tablet separately ...
thanks
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Tbh I got a nexus 10 and phone for much less than 700 EUR...
I looked at the looked forum, seems a dead device... There are 6 threads. But if we add a device, mods must be assigned, and various other things done. As such, we don't add nearly as many niche devices as users would like.
I am afraid you've not really showed interest - do you have, for example, an established CM maintainer who has got source built CM running? These are the kinds of things that show developer interest
Asus padfone 2 subforum please!
Asus padfone 2 subforum please!
+1 for sub forum
+ 100000 sub forum padfone 2
That would greatly help the devs will be encouraged to get roms, etc and assume it would help to sell more ....
+1 for adding subforum
Guys, you don't need to be asking for a forum for the Padfone 2 because;
1) This is the wrong thread to be requesting a forum be added for it. The relevant thread is stickied at the top of this very forum AND
2) One of the admins has already explained that a forum won't be added unless there's proof of strong development for this device.
If, as already suggested, there was an established CM maintainer who has got CM running on this device, then that would likely greatly increase your chances of having a forum created.
Also, don't say that the Padfone 2 will get more developers once it has a forum because that's a load of rubbish. The device is what intrigues/entices the developers. NOT whether there's is a specific sub-forum or not.
There is a Miscellaneous Android Development forum which is perfect for your needs as you can post any development for the Padfone over there.
In facebook there is a portuguese group for this device! Guess how many of the people there actually develop something?
In 1500 people... 0 roms, themes, or whatever! So yes, i am quiet happy that they opened the forum for XPeria Z
is not expensive if u think that u get a phone and a table i buy mine and belive me is fantastic!
UP!
Some of you just don't get it. You're not getting the forum for the same reason I'm not getting a forum for the Kyocera Rise (except I'm not demanding one like I have some natural right to it). Do any of you have any evidence of custom ROM's, development, etc. for the Padfone?
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Some of you just don't get it. You're not getting the forum for the same reason I'm not getting a forum for the Kyocera Rise (except I'm not demanding one like I have some natural right to it). Do any of you have any evidence of custom ROM's, development, etc. for the Padfone?
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I think there are some evidences, take a look:
root: http://www.modaco.com/topic/360416-superboot-padfone-2-root-solution/
cwm: http://www.modaco.com/topic/360432-r1-customised-recovery-image-for-the-asus-padfone-2/
deodexed rom: http://www.modaco.com/topic/360444-deodexed-wwe-rom-for-the-padfone-2/
"custom rom": http://www.modaco.com/topic/360458-pre-mcr-wwe-rom-for-the-padfone-2/
Finally the guy who is making this come true is a XDA member since 2003, his nick is PaulOBrien
do you need some more?
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Finally the guy who is making this come true is a XDA member since 2003, his nick is PaulOBrien
do you need some more?
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Yes. If it's just Paul you can easily use modaco as it's his forum.
Guys stop crying in here. XDA is a developers site.
If you really want to have a subforum then start developing for it.
That's the only way you'll get a dedicated forum. Constantly making +1 posts in here isn't helpful.
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Can You Guys make a Separate section for Qmobile phones. These are getting very very Popular in Pakistan and have released about 20+ android phones here.
We don't make a section for a line of phones. We make device forums for each device depending on if there is support and active development for them. They also have to follow all GPL laws. As this device is not really available to a large audience I don't really see enough development coming for them to need a forum.
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