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Hello People,
Any one know if there is an iTunes for WM yet if so WHERE
Nope. I don't think that will happen, ever.
There are other WM based audio managers, though. And there are a lot of PC based media center servers with a web interface, you can use them remotely from WM.
You might be interested in doubleTwist.
It claims to sync even your purchased songs to a lot of devices.
doubletwist
Interesting... Apple just had another update to itunes. anyone having some problems with doubletwist?
Mediamonkey is a great tool with a lot of features. one of the best: it's free (there's also a gold version which isn't free).
it will also recognize your WM-Based phone and you can easily sync songs.
If you're searching for an "iTunes" look-alike player on WM, search the forum for "Mortplayer" (with iMort skin), "S2P", "Melody" or "Lumen"
Cheers
Lumen is still alpha and doesn't play any music yet.
Hello people!
Are there any news on iTunes for WM-based PPC?
Missing the point...
I believe some of the repliers above are missing the point of the question. The real point behind this question is not whether there is a music organizer/sync app but if there is an app for downloading music straight to your phone just like iTunes does. Obviously since the user uses iTunes on his or her computer an iTunes app would be a great solution but ANY program that you could purchase and download music from would be absolutely great. In my opinion that is the one and only thing that still makes me want an iPhone even with all the love I have for my TP2.
So, if anyone knows of a decent app for purchasing and downloading music for a WM phone(similar to iTunes) that would be a great thing to suggest here.
I bought an HTC HD7 on launch. I also owned an HTC Desire (unlocked and unbranded which I've now given to Mum).
O2 has a 14 day return period. Anyway I decided I really like the Phone. Many people bang on about what Windows Phone doesn't yet have, instead of what it does. I could mention sublime push email, Office, Xbox Live, beautiful apps, very smooth, fast and accurate scrolling, tapping and pinch to zoom, tellme, the best osk ever on a mobile etc.
But for me as a big music fan who always watches video on my device the killer feature is Zune. The Zune sub is £8/month but you get access to millions of DRM's songs and 10 MPs to download or stream. The Zune software on the Phone is awesome and better than the iPod player on the iPhone is which was the gold standard.
But for me the stand out is the Zune PC software. It is so fast, beautiful and works really well. As a Jukebox it blows iTunes (the weak link for PC + iPhone customers) out of the water. I love the Zune client. Things like out of the box wireless sync of your media is science fiction to our Android and iPhone friends.
Suggestions for Microsoft:
1. Please support the avi container.
2. Please support the divx/xvid codec.
3. Please allow the saving of MP3s directly from IE.
4. Please add a podcast section to the Zune platform in the UK like the US.
5. Please expand the film collection and add a zunepass subscription option for films for say £10/month.
Even without certain functions that will arrive in 2011, Windows Phone is enough to make me forget the touchscreen fiasco that was Windows Mobile 6.x.
100% agree. I have a Zune HD and love the overall Zune style and interface + the Zune Pass is an awesome deal that makes you discover new music.
Still have to wait here in the states for Sprint and the HTC 7 Pro...
The zune HD interface is actually nicer. Now that you have access to zune proper, if you need a seperate media player you should totes get one.
IM0001 said:
100% agree. I have a Zune HD and love the overall Zune style and interface + the Zune Pass is an awesome deal that makes you discover new music.
Still have to wait here in the states for Sprint and the HTC 7 Pro...
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That is what I am waiting for, I am not leaving Sprint to go to ATT.
I have to agree.
- Push email is absolutely fantastic,
- Internet Explorer and Pinch to Zoom really good
- Zune is a very nice experience, even if sometimes confusing (it synchronizes my new mp3s but not always delete the ones I deleted from the root folder).
I also agree that avi container as well as support for the divx/xvid codec notably must be implemented by MS.
I agree with this Zune is so awesome. Back when I had a phone and an iPod I always wanted a Zune but it was too much of a hassle to import (bare in mind I was about 16 back then).
The interface is Amazing, coming from android, I just love the heavily graphical UI with the Artist's picture in the background. I know that Android's music player was piss poor (Sense did improve on it) but Zune makes it look like nothing. Zune pass is great (albeit similar to Spotify just cheaper, I like the fact that you "download" though) and the software itself is awesome.
I don't really use podcasts, nor do I care about avi movies (I've synced over an AVI movie through Zune, zune just converts them, this doesn't bother me) although I will offer 2 of my own suggestions:
1. We need background listening support, this is more centric to the OS rather than Zune itself but what I mean is that apps like Last.FM need to be able to "catch" what we're listening to and then scrobble them
2. Zune PC Software is the best media player I've ever used but like above, no scrobbling, please enable plugin support =]
You can activate the Podcast section of the marketplace with a registry hack. Works perfectly:
http://www.techau.tv/blog/how-to-re-enable-zune-feature-in-australia/
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1. We need background listening support, this is more centric to the OS rather than Zune itself but what I mean is that apps like Last.FM need to be able to "catch" what we're listening to and then scrobble them
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By the way, did somebody in Europe find the Last.fm App.
In France, strangely, it's apparently not available on the market?! Weird.
It's a great meadia player for Windows, but seriously, don't buy DRMed music....
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It's a great meadia player for Windows, but seriously, don't buy DRMed music....
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I agree. Zune paid downloads are MP3s with no watermarks. Unlike iTunes AAC with watermarks (and your iTunes account email address).
It is the subscription downloads which are DRM'd with Windows Media. The point is that you get 10 MP3 downloads which have no DRM a month and the unlimited subscription downloads are a bonus.
Its like having the biggest jukebox in your pocket on top of 10 MP3 tracks.
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...seriously, don't buy DRMed music....
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+1. I don't buy.
Seriously, I didn't imagine that DRM still existed... Really?
If you want to compete with something free, don't make it more complicated than the free thing.
Ogner said:
I agree. Zune paid downloads are MP3s with no watermarks. Unlike iTunes AAC with watermarks (and your iTunes account email address).
It is the subscription downloads which are DRM'd with Windows Media. The point is that you get 10 MP3 downloads which have no DRM a month and the unlimited subscription downloads are a bonus.
Its like having the biggest jukebox in your pocket on top of 10 MP3 tracks.
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So the 10 files you can keep are DRM free? That's nice.
Dazzla said:
You can activate the Podcast section of the marketplace with a registry hack. Works perfectly:
Excellent tip. Now have podcasts in England. Thanks.
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Of course. After the MSN Music and playsforsure fiasco Microsoft realise that if someone buys music to keep forver they want it in high quality 256kbps or 320kbps MP3s. That way they can continue to listen to them for years to come on any device.
Don't forget that Microsoft have many experiences of failure in the consumer world. But they keep coming back until they get it right.
That is why Eric Schmidt said that Microsoft/Bing were their only serious competition. Not Apple, Yahoo!, Facebook.
arturobandini said:
+1. I don't buy.
Seriously, I didn't imagine that DRM still existed... Really?
If you want to compete with something free, don't make it more complicated than the free thing.
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It's only DRM'd if you download music using Zune Pass.
I assume the DRM is because if you stop paying the Zune Pass fee, you lose your downloaded music (which TBF is understandable, they can't give you unlimited downloads for only £7.99 a month).
Also, I downloaded Last.fm as soon as I got the device, in the UK here.
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So the 10 files you can keep are DRM free? That's nice.
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That's only in America, doesn't seem to apply in the UK. You don't get to keep any music once you stop paying the Zune Pass fee.
Yeah im happy with the interface, only problem is Zune refuses to install on any of my x64 operating systems. This means im forced to run it on my EEEPC, which with such low horsepower, is a very very poor experience.
Avis are good for working with uncompressed pre-production video, but its a legacy format outside of that.
Divx/xvid, yea. Zune works in tandem with WMP on Windows.
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Anyone having trouble installing Zune on a WinVP PC? I try to install the software but get an error message saying it won't install to C because access is denied. However, I re-downloaded the software and now it won't iniate the install. It unzips like it is going to install and then nothing happens.
EDIT- Figured it out. Simply created a "Zune" folder in programs of "C" and the software installed. Apparently the install process can't creat the Zune folder on C itself.
Got the Zune software installed and my music transferred to my HD7 and am pleased the sound quality with my Shure SE530s is quite good. For lack of common smartphone features, it doesn't lack as a Zune music player. The UI is snappier and swifter than the dedicated Zunes, too.
EDIT- A feature that I encountered by accident is the volume button bringing up the mini-player controls in any screen. Very convenient when needing to tap pause or skip.
Cool my girl just got an HD7 and when she's trying to put all her music it keeps saying not enough memory....its only 4gigs of music did you have any problems putting music on your phone.
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Cool my girl just got an HD7 and when she's trying to put all her music it keeps saying not enough memory....its only 4gigs of music did you have any problems putting music on your phone.
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Nah, not on this device. But I have had that issue with dedicated Zune players in the past. I usually solved it by erasing the whole player and then it would show properly. Don't know what I would do on this fancy phone if that happened with it. Don't want to erase the data or other smartphone related stuff.
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Cool my girl just got an HD7 and when she's trying to put all her music it keeps saying not enough memory....its only 4gigs of music did you have any problems putting music on your phone.
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you shouldn't have a prob you should be able to see how much mem you have when its plugged in, plus the hd7 has upgradable micro SD canrlt wait till Xmas
It does make for a great ZUNE PLAYER. One of the reasons why I got couldn't wait for the WP7 Phones. I am also glad the GLOBAL market gets to experience this officially. It it so much better than the ITUNEs and IPOD. Graphically it is top notch.
I signed up for the year for $149.99 which gives me two free months which in essence pays for itself with the 10 songs per month.
I also found out about the volume rocker activating the player. Very nice feature.
The sound quality out of my earphones is much louder than my EVO which is a great thing and very clear. I have several sets of earphones and they all sound great. I hated that my EVO was not very loud even with the DSP manager compared to my IPHONE or IPOD TOUCH( Ebay time ).
Have you guys tried out Shazam for WP7? It's so much better than for IPHONE and ANDROID. Nice Zune link at the bottom.
So far the APPS that I use most blows away the ANDROID or the IPHONE versions. Usually its not as good initially than the IPHONE. Two exceptions - Twitter and Facebook. They could use some tweaks
Can't wait for the Dell Venue Pro!
mrmomoman said:
It does make for a great ZUNE PLAYER. One of the reasons why I got couldn't wait for the WP7 Phones. I am also glad the GLOBAL market gets to experience this officially. It it so much better than the ITUNEs and IPOD. Graphically it is top notch.
I signed up for the year for $149.99 which gives me two free months which in essence pays for itself with the 10 songs per month.
I also found out about the volume rocker activating the player. Very nice feature.
The sound quality out of my earphones is much louder than my EVO which is a great thing and very clear. I have several sets of earphones and they all sound great. I hated that my EVO was not very loud even with the DSP manager compared to my IPHONE or IPOD TOUCH( Ebay time ).
Have you guys tried out Shazam for WP7? It's so much better than for IPHONE and ANDROID. Nice Zune link at the bottom.
So far the APPS that I use most blows away the ANDROID or the IPHONE versions. Usually its not as good initially than the IPHONE. Two exceptions - Twitter and Facebook. They could use some tweaks
Can't wait for the Dell Venue Pro!
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I have the exact same sentiment. Though this Facebook app is way better than the WinMo 6.5 version, it isn't quite to the convenience of the Android version.
MartyLK said:
I have the exact same sentiment. Though this Facebook app is way better than the WinMo 6.5 version, it isn't quite to the convenience of the Android version.
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You would think as integrated as they are with Facebook that we should have the premium version of them all. I am sure the next update will do this. Definately needs push notification as integrated as it is with WP7. They need to also provide better notifications alerts. I give Android that prop. The persistent state of notifications until you clear them or read the email or message is nice. I know the numbered visual cue in the tile is nice but you have to look at them to know that they have them. That is why they remain the theme color so you can see them better
Maybe if I put them up top I might see them better haha
Not if you need GAPLESS PLAYBACK it doesn't.
Seriously, it's like 2005 all over again.
I've got 200 or so live/concert/dj mix albums that I now can't listen to. A massive balls up by MS, and something that Apple got spot on with iPod/iPhone.
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Not if you need GAPLESS PLAYBACK it doesn't.
Seriously, it's like 2005 all over again.
I've got 200 or so live/concert/dj mix albums that I now can't listen to. A massive balls up by MS, and something that Apple got spot on with iPod/iPhone.
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Then go pay more with a amazon/itunes so we can stop dealimg with ur qq.
Feel free to take the phone back too.
You obviously have never had a dubscription music service in 2005, to make such a baseless comparison.
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Not if you need GAPLESS PLAYBACK it doesn't.
Seriously, it's like 2005 all over again.
I've got 200 or so live/concert/dj mix albums that I now can't listen to. A massive balls up by MS, and something that Apple got spot on with iPod/iPhone.
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I really have never understood the compulsion for gapless playback. But maybe it's a hip-hop, rap or heavy metal thing, I don't know. My music of choice is Jazz, Meditation & Healing, New Age, piano, classic rock and alternative (Coldplay type). None of these genres are what could be considered frantic type music that requires a non-stop playback. These are more inline with relaxing moods than frantic. And because of this I see no problem with the lack of gapless in WP7/Zune.
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For lack of common smartphone features, it doesn't lack as a Zune music player.
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oh, please do name some of these common smartphone features it lacks. multitasking and copy & paste? lol
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I really have never understood the compulsion for gapless playback. But maybe it's a hip-hop, rap or heavy metal thing, I don't know. My music of choice is Jazz, Meditation & Healing, New Age, piano, classic rock and alternative (Coldplay type). None of these genres are what could be considered frantic type music that requires a non-stop playback. These are more inline with relaxing moods than frantic. And because of this I see no problem with the lack of gapless in WP7/Zune.
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I listen to to all genres you listed: hip-hop, rock, jazz, lounge, eletronic, etc. If you're listening to jazz you most undoubtedly have one or a few live jazz albums which NEED gapless playback. This is pretty disturbing actually.
1. I've still got my iPhone 3G S, but fancied a change and was hoping the HD7 was going to be the replacement.
2. The phone will be going back. Not something I want to do, but until a few things* are ironed out, it's the sensible option. (* See my HD7 'review').
3. No idea what Dubscription is/was. iTunes only went gapless in 2006, hence my '2005' comment. My comparison is between WP7 Zune and iTunes. Also, not sure where you're coming from with the Amazon/iTunes thing. I never buy music online, so the point is moot.
4. Concerts, classical (which I admittedly don't listen to), Pink Floyd, continuous mixes, albums like 'Love' by The Beatles and Soulwax by 2manyDJs. There are a lot of gapless albums out there. It's not just a particular genre. Check out the 'Chilled' series my Ministry of Sound or The K&D sessions for something gapless and more downtempo.
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Cool my girl just got an HD7 and when she's trying to put all her music it keeps saying not enough memory....its only 4gigs of music did you have any problems putting music on your phone.
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Have you looked in the settings on Zune? There's an option to reserve a percentage of the phone space. That restricts Zune's ability to fill your device up in case it means you don't have any space left to install applications, receive data etc.
After suggestions about different encoders and ID3 tags, I've carried out some different file tests, to see if it made a difference. These are the formats I tried, all ripped from an original CD (DJ mix gapless):
Ripped using iTunes - M4A (AAC), MP3 with ID3 tags changed to v1.0, MP3 with ID3 tags changed to v2.4.
Ripped using Max - MP3, M4A.
I also tried some downloaded music that I've no idea what encoder was used.
After trying the 5 different file types and the other music, there is no gapless playback whatsoever.
It seems the Zune component on WP7 just doesn't support it. Whether an update will include gapless, I've no idea, but here's hoping.
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After suggestions about different encoders and ID3 tags, I've carried out some different file tests, to see if it made a difference. These are the formats I tried, all ripped from an original CD (DJ mix gapless):
Ripped using iTunes - M4A (AAC), MP3 with ID3 tags changed to v1.0, MP3 with ID3 tags changed to v2.4.
Ripped using Max - MP3, M4A.
I also tried some downloaded music that I've no idea what encoder was used.
After trying the 5 different file types and the other music, there is no gapless playback whatsoever.
It seems the Zune component on WP7 just doesn't support it. Whether an update will include gapless, I've no idea, but here's hoping.
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Are you using DRM music? Gapless is broken with DRM for Zune HD and I assume WP7 as well...for non DRM gapless works perfect on my zune HD(don't have a WP7 yet)...I'm sure it's just a matter of time to get that fixed if it's not working on wp7...
I can't see how anyone could compare the zune experience to the ios music experience...apple has not done anything with their media playback since the iphone was released...the zune is a far better media player
Yeah, I read about the Zune HD/DRM thing. All of my music is DRM-free and I don't have any paid downloads. Also, the music I tried tonight was taken straight from a CD.
I think Apple got more right to start with, so they've not had to update the iPod component in iOS. Gapless (obviously), auto-levelling (Sound Check) and search are all present on iOS, but lacking on WP7 so far. The UI is very nice though and it flows along well. Sound quality on my HD7 is a definite step up from my iPhone too. This is using the same Denon earbuds of course.
As a complete Zune virgin, how often are the updates?
gaps are annoying to me on live albums, but not show stoppers, hopefully they fix it.
normally I'm on shuffle all though, so it is a low priority issue for me
Gen 1 Zune feedback on updates
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Yeah, I read about the Zune HD/DRM thing. All of my music is DRM-free and I don't have any paid downloads. Also, the music I tried tonight was taken straight from a CD.
I think Apple got more right to start with, so they've not had to update the iPod component in iOS. Gapless (obviously), auto-levelling (Sound Check) and search are all present on iOS, but lacking on WP7 so far. The UI is very nice though and it flows along well. Sound quality on my HD7 is a definite step up from my iPhone too. This is using the same Denon earbuds of course.
As a complete Zune virgin, how often are the updates?
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I have had a Generation 1 Zune since they came out and updates come out just about as often as the Zune Windows desktop software- which is maybe once or twice a year. I've been very happy about updates for the Zune, but I imagine WP7 phone updates may be tied to the carrier (AT&T, T-Mo) and not the Zune desktop software itself.
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I have had a Generation 1 Zune since they came out and updates come out just about as often as the Zune Windows desktop software- which is maybe once or twice a year. I've been very happy about updates for the Zune, but I imagine WP7 phone updates may be tied to the carrier (AT&T, T-Mo) and not the Zune desktop software itself.
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I know it is an old thread, but MS stated it wants to do away from the carriers holding up the software updates, you shall see when the first batch of updates hits the platform.
This is probably the wrong place to ask but I hope someone may know. I have owned a zune hd and now have a wp7 i use zune media player for playing my music. But living in England its hard to buy a Zune at a good price and my music collection is way to big even if i could get a 64gig phone. So im now thinking of getting an ipod classic (really wanted a zune 120 but i need to get finance as xmas has made me poor) the problem i have is that zune uses its own database to store all the data for my music collection. Is there a way to convert that data into itunes as i found it more than useless at organizing my music and especially bad at finding album art (about 40% hit rate zune = 90% and then has much much easier finding features or manual changing). I dont want this to turn into a battle of whats better and why plus we all know that its zune by a long way. But i was just hoping someone might know how this can be done or if it can be done.
unlike MS who is willing to play nice to help get your stuff across, Apple has no intention (I believe) to support any form of importation from Zune. I think you're on your own unless you can find a 3rd party product to do it for you.
Actually both the Zune software and Apple iTunes software use their own database AND BOTH OF THEM DON'T WRITE THE INFORMATION IN THE FILE'S (SONG'S) ID3 TAGS.
You have to do them manually. One thing that might help you is right clicking songs or albums in iTunes and using Check Album Artwork, just have the write information in the ID3 tags of the song. It will take a very long time to manage these songs but when you find spare time (and believe me someday you will), organize it. I did with mines too. Don't use automatic organizers, they just mess up your music collection.
The Zune Desktop Player is so amazing, so much better than Itunes or Winamp and the Zune Pass and MArketplace personalized picks has introduced me to so many great songs I would have never heard/discovered by myself before.. My music life has rekindled all because of Zune, Zune Pass and WP7 which led me to them.
I am starting to love Microsoft and its services now.
Great.
Always loved the **** outta Microsoft, and I agree, Zune Player is ****ing amazing.
I love the software and its UI/UX (even though it's a bit surprising at the beginning) but it's definitely too resource-hungry. It makes my netbook heat up quite a lot. Quite annoying.
I usually plug my netbook via HDMI to my giant flat screen. The full screen interface is simply breathtaking when all options are activated. SO PRETTY!
love zune so much more than itunes and wmp better interface and easier to use it is rather resource heavy but i dont care lol and the syncing is easier than other devices
I've used Zune since G1 media player complete with the Zune pass. My only complaint its how it she's not allow you to back up your apps locally for WP7. So if an app leaves thief marketplace and you get s new phone or reset your old one, its gone forever. Also only apps purchased through desktop software stnc automatically. Any apps purchased through the phone must be manually searched and downloaded from the phone if you reset or get another phone. Still it is the best media software out.
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It was the opposite for me. I bought a WP7 device because if it's integration with Zune/Zune Pass. My device may only have 8gb of memory but now I'm able to stream most music with Zune Pass service.
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My only complaint its how it she's not allow you to back up your apps locally for WP7.
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The Zune software has quite a few holes in it, but that one is HUGE. It also needs better management of TV and movies (such as syncing new shows and removing watched shows). I'd also like to see integration with Windows Media Center (auto syncing shows).
I know alot of folks like the ZunePass, but MOG, Napster, and Rdio offer a much bigger catalog at better prices. Unfortunately, only Rdio supports WP7 and the app does not allow songs to be synced to the phone like their iphone and android apps.
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I know alot of folks like the ZunePass, but MOG, Napster, and Rdio offer a much bigger catalog at better prices. Unfortunately, only Rdio supports WP7 and the app does not allow songs to be synced to the phone like their iphone and android apps.
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Well, when you consider that every month you get 10 DRM free sings (to keep even if you cancel your ZunePass), the others are not as good of a deal. Unless some of them also offer that, but that would be news to me.
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Well, when you consider that every month you get 10 DRM free sings (to keep even if you cancel your ZunePass)
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Only in the US
+1 for me as well
I talked members of my family to getting a Zune before the WP7 came out and they loved it (coming from Iseries). The Zune pass is nice getting songs on fly and people just look amazed too funny, also the software is sweet, way easier the itunes. Why I say that is I was trying to sync specific songs on my girls iphone and I can't click and add to device like I can in Zune with ease. Really good MS once they start integrated their service now that antitrust is gone lookout.
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Yeah, that sucks.
I use a zune pass in Belgium?
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Does your Zune pass include 10 DRM free tracks you can keep forever?
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Does your Zune pass include 10 DRM free tracks you can keep forever?
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Yes, at the end of each month I get 10 any songs I like to keep forever.. I subscribed annual.. I buy all my games, apps, music, no more any piracy.. everything legit for the best experience.. I didnt even bother to do Chevron..
Yed, mine too. And I live in Belgium.
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The Zune Desktop Player is so amazing, so much better than Itunes or Winamp and the Zune Pass and MArketplace personalized picks has introduced me to so many great songs I would have never heard/discovered by myself before.. My music life has rekindled all because of Zune, Zune Pass and WP7 which led me to them.
I am starting to love Microsoft and its services now.
Great.
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yeah zune is awesome musik player, much love
Zune has always been great. Its a shame they haven't pushed/marketed it more. People don't even know it exists. Most consumers only know of iPods & iTunes (gotta hand it to Apple's marketing team for sure).
And Zune pass is one of the best deals out there. I have much <3 for zune. I just hope they can make some more deals to get more content because the one thing iTunes has on them is more content.
I didn't know Zune existed before I got my HD7.
Best music/video player ever, such a unique design.
I hope they expand its phone-related functionality tho, it's quite limited.
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(gotta hand it to Apple's marketing team for sure).
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And the development team. iTunes on Windows is frustrating, but it's more feature complete than Zune.
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Well, when you consider that every month you get 10 DRM free sings (to keep even if you cancel your ZunePass), the others are not as good of a deal. Unless some of them also offer that, but that would be news to me.
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Napster includes free tracks and has a larger library than Zune. Or they did at one point, I haven't been a member since they butchered their web UI.